This radio station is banning 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' Here's why

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  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:36 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin We are offended by those same things also but that is not what this song is about. This song is about two people who like each other, nobody is being raped and no drugs involved. Don't try so hard to be offended.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 5:02 p.m.

    Most of the people arguing against the station's decision are either engaged in whataboutism or obtusely missing the point about the moral implications and effects of the song.

    The interpretation that the woman is looking to be convinced to stay, that she's putting up a sham refusal to save face, does not make the song inoffensive.

    The first time I heard this song I was at a high school Christmas concert; the two singers were acting the conversation out as they sang. I was appalled. How could the parents of either singer have possibly felt it was OK to let their sixteen- or seventeen-year-olds absorb those morals and broadcast that to their peers?

    The song is creepy. I'll be glad when it is forgotten.

    Conservatives have been hoping for decades that people on the left would rediscover truths about sexual ethics they'd set aside. Now that this is finally happening in some measure, too many on the right are choosing tribalism over morals.

    The #metoo movement isn't perfect; there have been some problematic tendencies (e.g. sometimes conflating boorishness, harassment, and assault). But we should be loudly and gladly siding with everything good about the change in social attitudes.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 3:43 p.m.

    I can understand why some people might find the lyrics to this song to be a bit creepy. Yet at the same time, why do so many people continue with a double standard when it comes to what people can and can not watch or listen to?

    I can't count how many times I've heard people say, over, and over, over again, "If you don't like what's on TV or radio, turn it off."

    Rap songs in which women are continually referred to with words that start with the letters B or H are perfectly okay, but "Baby, It's Cold Outside," is wrong and offensive.

    Country and rock songs with four letter words implying adultery, drunkenness and drug use are okay and acceptable, but songs like "Santa Baby" are sexist and hurtful to female self-esteem.

    TV shows like "American Horror Story" and "Reckless" are acceptable forms of entertainment, but "Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" is racist because Franklin is sitting opposite the other kids at the table.

    And I always thought liberals and progressive thinkers were anti-censorship.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 3:20 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    Date rape? Drugging your date? You are reading way too much into one line in the entire song.

    There is no mention at all of any sexual activity, there is no mention of drugs. One line the lady asks what is in the drink, but that doesn't even imply a drug beyond potentially alcohol (something that people consume regularly specifically so it does lower their inhibitions in regards to moral activities). Even that is a stretch, she is clearly asking what the drink is made of, not if it has been drugged. Even then she accepts more of the drink, on top of a cigarette (again smoking was a normal social activity when the song was written).

    The entire song continually implies he wants her to stay with him the night; and she understands that such is considered "impropriety" under the social structure she has lived. But, she is more than consenting to it, that is clearly understood as well, she only wants to pretend that she resisted his advances (so she doesn't lose face with her family and other folks).

    But, that doesn't even imply they are having sex, only spending time together. Not every over-night stay involves sex; and even if there was, she clearly consented.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 4, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    @drich

    "Disgusting what people find offensive today."

    Yeah, we're offended by date rape and drugging your date. Truly disgusting.

  • Klaus2012 Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 4, 2018 12:50 p.m.

    Dean MArtin is spinning in his grave.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    @Thomas Paine,

    I totally agree with you. In fact it is not the only song that stations around here play as if it were a "holiday" song. One station that boasts Christmas music 24/7 from (some years Halloween to New Years, other years starting later); they mix in a lot of non-holiday songs probably because really how many different versions of Sleigh Bells does a person want to hear every day?

    One of my favorite non-holiday songs (actually I have thousands of "favorite songs") is "My Favorite Things." It most certainly isn't a holiday song either; but does mention "paper packages tied up with bows" so they throw that one in as a holiday song.

    Another one that is more devilish than Baby It's Cold Outisde, is Same Old Lang Syne. The scene is Christmas Eve, but it most certainly is not a holiday song. A song about a man rekindling an old flame with a married woman, teaching that cheating on a spouse is good, and then of course drinking and driving is also promoted. I find that more offensive than a non married woman who wants to be warmed by a man; and staying indoors to drink (if it is even alcoholic at all).

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Why am I note surprised. I just heard the song on the radio this morning and my first thought was "why do they play this song? I am sure many people misunderstand this song."

    However, I have no problem with it. Is that because I am a man? No!

    It is because the woman in the song really isn't trying to resist the suggestive nature of the man in the song. He isn't holding her hostage, she could leave any time she wants. Yet, she seems rather quite happy with the advances the man is taking... she is giving a wink at the "moralism" of saying no to his advances; while on the other side giving a wink to the man himself wanting him to warm her, wanting to stay with him, even if she will become the "talk of the town" for doing so.

    The song itself shows the epitome of consent. Not the other way around. The man is not controlling her; she is quite capable (and shows that within the song) of saying "no" if "no" is what she wanted... but it is also clear throughout the song that "yes" is what she is saying, and "yes" is what she is wanting, fully and totally consenting.

  • drich Green River, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:36 a.m.

    Disgusting what people find offensive today.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:18 a.m.

    RBB - so your saying this station plays Rap Music? Or any other genre's of music that have "explicit" lyrics. (Interesting you cherry picked Rap). I can think of a lot of songs across the musically spectrum that have lyrics that are "inappropriate". I can think of one in particular from Billy Joel.

    The interesting thing about much of the entertainment from that era is it was filled with innuendo - heck lots of the Looney Tunes cartoons had tones - that I as a kid completely missed.

    People will interpret how they will. Some will be offended. Some will miss it completely. I am one who doesn't think that politically correctness is a bad thing.... but I think it can also be misapplied. The important thing is this station was being responsive to their listeners... not people in Salt Lake, not people in London where the BBC is, but their community.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    Being subjected to obsessive fixations, in the form of absurd political correctness in this case, is awfully tiresome.

  • Don Bixby Centerville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    1 This evening has been so very nice. I really can't stay.
    2 Baby it's cold outside.
    1 The answer is no.
    2 Great, let me grab my coat, and I'll drive you home to make sure you get there safely.

  • Thomas Paine South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 7:02 a.m.

    Baby It’s Cold Outside is not a holiday song. It never was, and it never will be a holiday song. It’s just a song about someone using the temperature as an excuse.

  • Let's Agree to Disagree Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 1:56 a.m.

    In this case I agree with the PC police...the lyrics of that song are creepy and we can do without it.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 1:47 a.m.

    And rap music is OK? This has to be a publicity stunt.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 12:24 a.m.

    What is this world coming to? Read the lyrics, all of them. This couple are friends and whatever is going to happen, this is not their first encounter. They like each other.
    As for the drink, what is it? Alcohol, coke cola, water not what you put into my drink that I don’t know about.
    Enjoy the song, it is cute, it is Christmas but then some of you may not like that either.