Dick Harmon: BYU's Dave Rose should be feeling the pressure after loss to Weber State

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  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    Fire Holmoe. He is the one driving this bus.

  • whatever60 POCATELLO, ID
    Dec. 5, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    BYU basketball has been largely irrelevant for at least five years. BYU football for even longer. Can they be relevant nationally again? If not what's the point.

    You cannot be a good basketball team without defense. While we hear about all-time greats nearly all played defense (Jordan, James, Kobe, Shaq, Mailman, Stockton, Barkley, Bird, etc.) Offense is great but I'd much rather see BYU score 75 and win than 100 and lose.

    Let's not forget basketball is a team sport and requires effort on both ends. Coach Rose must start teaching this or go.

  • Sukiyaki Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 5, 2018 1:24 a.m.

    Rose used to be a good coach. He’s since run off several good players and stubbornly clung to a defensive philosophy that only works in elementary school before kids have a chance to learn that defense wins ball games. The 3 point shooting is also atrocious and continues to be so regardless of the year or who is playing. These two issues both result from poor coaching!

    A contract extension as the NCAA is imposing sanctions on our basketball program because the head coach was asleep at the wheel? Inconceivable!!!

    The Rose love boat has sailed. It’s now time to upgrade both the coach and the schedule.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:11 p.m.

    "Drano - USA, 00
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:02 p.m.
    As I sit watching Jordan Chatman drop 25 against Providence".......and BC lost.

  • Drano USA, 00
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    As I sit watching Jordan Chatman drop 25 against Providence, I am brought back to the “misses” in talent evaluation by Rose. Chatman can start and play for an ACC team but he can’t start and play for us? Demarcus Harrison can start and play for Clemson but he can’t start and play for us? Spare me the old diatribe of we want experienced players we get with this coaching staff (ie juniors/seniors). This is the modern NCAA where freshman can come in and have a tremendous impact on a program. It seems to me, if you’re a legacy player or a player from a certain high school, you get to play as a freshman at BYU.

    Another issue, Rose has surrounded himself with inexperienced assistants that don’t have great recruiting pipelines. When was Rose at his best coaching? With Dave Rice by his side. Is it any wonder UW men’s hoops is making progress with Coach Hopkins having Dave Rice, an experienced assistant with a recruiting pipeline to top nat’l high school basketball programs? No. What pipeline does Lee Cummard bring? None. A positive for BYU is we are saving $$$ on recruiting because this staff doesn’t recruit outside of Utah much.

    A replacement candidate: Mark Pope.

  • kfbob Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 5:00 p.m.

    The cougars appear pretty desperate right now. The substitution pattern is so random it's impossible to get any continuity. perhaps it's time to look at some advanced analytics to determine who plays defense and who should play. After getting beat 113 to 103 a coach says "that in order to win we need to shoot the 3 point shot better"...really? how about some defense.

  • Uncle_Dave Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 4:50 p.m.

    I have attended one BYU basketball game this year (the day before Thanksgiving). TJ Haws was the best player on the floor. He played great and was very unselfish with the ball. I think he had 8 assists. As I said, that was the only game I have seen. I have no agenda and no favorites. Just reporting on what I saw with my own eyes.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 4:21 p.m.


    “Not enough talent” and “Honor Code” are self-limiting falsehoods.

    People said BYU didn’t have and couldn’t get the talent to win prior to LaVell Edwards. Turns out the only place they lacked talent was in the coaching staff. Even the dreaded limitation of “Independence” didn’t stop Army from making the Top 25. They just needed a coaching change.

    If BYU can beat Wisconsin, AZ, hang with Utah, Cal, Boise their talent level is close enough to compete as is in football, and that talent can be improved with recruiting — and better coaching.

    If BYU would play both defense and offense they could win in basketball. I’ll bet to this day Jimmer regrets not being coached in defense. “Save his energy for offense?” Playing defense never hurt Jordan, Bird, Magic. Locally, Ainge was a great a great defender while at BYU.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 4:10 p.m.

    Chris Hill became AD amd promptly fired mediocre coaches at Utah and took their athletic programs to new heights. Fired Archibald and hired Majerus. Fired Fassell and hired McBride, then replaced McBride with Meyer.

    Hill was competent and courageous. Not sure the same could be said for Holmoe. Being a Cougar alumn and a pro and assistant doesn’t necessarily make you a good head coach (Holmoe was horrible), or AD.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    Dave is feeling the same thing that coach Sitaki is in Football. Both good coaches but both have nothing to play with anymore. No talent. Good kids but not competitive. As I have said this is not the fault of any BYU coach or AD. BYU is just locked out of the NCAA and perhaps its time to think about leaving the NCAA for good. If you can't recruit you can't compete.

  • Jacobiuntherus Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 3:37 p.m.


    You adroitly pointed out: "They need an experienced assistant coach that is an x and o guy. Too many high school coaches at present. Defense is about effort and scheme".

    Why would Coach Rose hire an experienced assistant coach who would be a threat to him? Heath Shroyer was a good assistant but it was obvious that he was frustrated trying to work with Dave Rose.

    With all the obvious discontent in the BYU nation, I think Tom Holmoe should start feeling the heat and if he doesn't do something soon I hope the Administration will wake up and review his status. If BYU loses to USU and Utah this week, I strongly would back the firing of Coach Rose forthwith! This downward spiral has gone on long enough now and we the Cougar fans are more than tired of it.

    Mr. Holmoe, please do something about this or step out of the way so that someone else can make the needed changes down there in Provo. You and Coach Rose are getting paid way too much salary for the bush league basketball poduct you are putting out there!

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 2:54 p.m.

    @MDCoug - Frederick, MD
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    Thanks for the background and story.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    Dec. 4, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    Honestly, I've seen high school teams play better defense than BYU. Did the team throw away the defensive play book that Schroyer gave them? Couple poor defense with poor shooting, and it's a recipe for the disaster we are seeing. Run and gun only works when you make a higher percentage of shots than your opponent.

    Start playing defensive, slow down the offensive, drive to the hoop.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 4, 2018 12:39 p.m.

    Suggesting that the demise of BYU basketball is because of the move to the West Coast Conference is just plain wrong.

    The current number 1 ranked team in the country, and consistently successful team is a member of the West Coast Conference. How do they do it? Let's start with their out of conference schedule. Texas A&M, Illinois, Arizona, Duke, Creighton, Washington and North Carolina to name a few. A very stark contrast to the BYU schedule. If you want to be the best, you have to play the best.

    A lot of scratching the surface of the problem at BYU, but in my opinion, no one is all that warm at identifying the cause.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    Mr. Boris - Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:37 a.m.
    “Rose is a great coach.

    BYU basketball has steadily declined after the stupid move by the administration to leave the MWC and join the WCC.

    The WCC is horrible and football independence is horrible.”

    If the WCC is the cause of BYU’s decline in basketball, how has Gonzaga been more successful than any team in the PAC 12 or MWC since 2011?

    If MWC membership is so superior to Independence, why were FIVE of Utah State’s games “televised” on FACEBOOK, and why did #23 Utah State (10-2) end up playing in a bowl that is equivalent to the bowl BYU (6-6) is playing in?

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 4, 2018 11:30 a.m.

    Roger Reid’s problem was lack of recruiting. If Roger or a coach with his ability had this team, they would be undefeated or maybe only one loss. Roger was the best coach to draw up plays and execute a half court offense than any coach in BYU history. If you’ve watched BYU basketball as long as I have, you know that is true.
    Translate to now. This team does not have a true post player. They better find a couple fast. Don’t be afraid to sit players not producing. All this is, is Rec style basketball. You might find better shooters at the PE building.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:44 a.m.


    Thank you for confirming our suspicions. Incredible story. Thanks for the share.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:37 a.m.

    Rose is a great coach.

    BYU basketball has steadily declined after the stupid move by the administration to leave the MWC and join the WCC.

    The WCC is horrible and football independence is horrible.

    I didn't blame Bronco for leaving and I wouldn't blame Rose either.

  • MDCoug Frederick, MD
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    My basketball coaching experience has found me in the NBA G-League, NCAA, and player development all around the world. While coaching for an East Coast D3 University we had a top 15 ranked defense in the country and used that defensive system to win a conference championship and top 10 ranking. We had two of the best seasons in school history. This brought the attention of a Pac-12 coach who invited me to his office to discuss the defense. We had a great discussion - he took some things and I learned some things. That team has improved. I also wanted to learn about the transition game from Coach Rose on my way home. I met with him in his office and he spent a few minutes with me. When I asked him if he wanted to discuss defense, he told me that they only stressed 1 thing and that they wanted to be really good at 1 thing - offense. He didn't want to hear about the defense and felt like that would be too much to teach both offense and defense. That the players wouldn't get it....still hard to comprehend.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 4, 2018 10:10 a.m.

    Dick talks about "the real world outside the byu bubble". What in the world would Dick know about that? I know, I know, he has heard rumors, perhaps, but this is getting a bit unreal. I mean, this is Harmon, folks, talking about the real world outside the byu bubble, as if he had a clue.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    They need an experienced assistant coach that is an x and o guy. Too many high school coaches at present. Defense is about effort and scheme.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:47 a.m.

    Our obsession with Lone Peak players has been one of the factors in this mediocrity. Their average play has been compounded by team division and now NCAA violations. What a sad end to a once glorious story.

  • opinion 47 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    Not sure why Rose just got a contract extension. Perhaps Tom Holmoe is out of ideas as well? BYU sports in perilous times with football and basketball, the two major revenue sports. Without change, things will never change.

  • byutrue Atascocita, TX
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    Reviewing the last three games here are what some key numbers look like:
    Haws- 16-46 (35%) 3 pt-7-23 (30%)
    Hardnett- 14-27 (52%) 3 pt- 0-5 (0%)
    Childs- 30-59 (51%) 3 pt- 6-14 (43%)
    Seljas- 6-26 (26%) 3 pt- 3-11 (27%)
    Nixon- 8-13 (62%) 3 pt- 1-5. (20%)
    TOTAL 74-171 (43%) 17-58 (29%)
    Three main subs
    Harding. 4-9 (44%) 3 pt- 0-5. (0)
    Cannon. 4-7 (57%). 3 pt- 2-4. (50%)
    Baxter. 4-5 (80%). 3 pt- 0-0
    TOTAL 12-21 (57%). 2-9. (22%)

    As many have stated our three point shooting is horrible. Field goal percentage OK. So what are the main problems?

    Defense if a player is not committed to defense sit him on the bench!
    In-game adjustments - opposing coaches have figured our offensive scheme out. There needs to demand less dribbling and more ball movement & screening to get better looks at hoop.
    Use bench players more - I a m a believer that Harding and Baxter have big upsides. They need more playing time.

    Many more games to play. Let’s see if players will be held more accountable to play stronger defense and changes made to improve offense moving forward.

    Go Cougs!

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 9:05 a.m.


    Excuse me. Rose is not a terrific coach. He hasn't done a good job of coaching for about 5 years. He appears to be burnt out but his brilliant Athletic Director just extended his contract, what for?

    Put these coaches feet on hot coals and if they can't produce then it's time to change. If that doesn't happen then BYU needs to do the right thing and change out the A.D. and see if they can get one in there who isn't afraid to hold the coaches to high expectations.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    This says it all: "It was the same week the university pre-empted the announcement by giving him a contract extension".

    Tome Holmoe erred greatly by not taking Coach Rose into his office and communicating something like: "Dave, if you can get us back into the NCAA tournament this year, we will extend your contract" - alas he did not give the Coach anything to reach for.

    So what do we have? We have an "uninspired" team and a Coach who is befuddled as to what to do - oh but not to worry, he has that extended contract to fall back on!

    If BYU loses these next 2 games, this old BYU fan votes for Holmoe to buy out Rose's contact and put him on a rail with a one-way ticket.

    C'mon Cougs, fight hard despite the uninspired coaching!

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    If Holmoe does not have the guts to terminate Rose then Rose should do the right thing regarding the future of BYU basketball and resign.... Nothing short of that will do !

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    Rose lost control of the team ever since the LP3 came in. They are very selfish players. Don't even get me started on Nick Emery.

    It's also no question that Dave Rose has no idea how to coach and teach defense in basketball. It's been that way his whole career.

    And yet he got a contract extension? Tom Holmoe is ruining the athletics program at BYU. He is ultimately responsible for every team's performance as the head manager.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    It would take a miracle to turn this season around. I don't see it. Another season with no NCAA tournament.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    I have a lot of respect for Rose. However, like the Green Bay Packers and Ohio State, maybe it's time for a coaching change. Like the Philadelphia Eagles, sometimes a fresh face makes the difference. Andy Reid did great things in Philly, but it just started to crumble. He went on to Kansas City and had done great things, and the Eagles went on to win the Super Bowl. Sometimes change is a good thing. While my voice doesn't matter, I've concluded that BYU basketball is mired in mediocrity right now. It needs a jolt, a fresh face to lead what should be a better program. (And I'm not even addressing the WCC fiasco).

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    One guard was so excited about this new style of play. Better suits his own run and gun style. Can anyone wonder why. Suits him better personally I suppose. Last year at least the team had some good wins with their best player Bryant and some defense. 1 for 9 shooting? This is D I folks. Sure he had a few good games. Back to playing like last year in terms of his shooting and overall play? How about a little defense against quick opposing guards. Not going to happen. We all know the obvious reason why. A couple of the guards need to be benched and it is not Hardnette. Not going to happen with Rose. How about playing the big freshman. The team needs a center and more than Childs underneath. Not going to happen with Rose. When you can't shoot the 3 ball well and you are playing 3 guards? Seems like a recipe for a lot of losses. So frustrating.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    The curse of Nick Emery.................

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Dec. 4, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    Being in the WCC and independent in football is fine. Both bring challenges, heart break, success, and championships. Moving to the Mtn West is not a good idea. A P5 invite will come. Basketball has had set backs (Emery’s indiscretions) and with early departures with players thinking they are NBA talent (Mika & E. Bryant) or lack of playing time (4 star Dastrup) Rose didn’t manage Dastrup PT well. These early departure guys will never make it in the NBA. I hope Yoeli stays his senior year. Has there ever been a BYU BB player who left school early and made it in the NBA? We get good players but need them to stay till graduation.

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    The only sport that has flourished at BYU is volleyball, since Holmoe stumbled onto campus... that should tell the Brotheren something....

  • NeilT Harrisville, UT
    Dec. 4, 2018 7:10 a.m.

    Used to be BYU was the first choice of LDS athletes. Times have changed. We now read about LDS athletes playing for schools all over the country. It is a reflection of the growth in church membership. Not every church member feels loyalty to BYU.

    Dec. 4, 2018 6:54 a.m.

    I tend to agree with that Haws and Hardnett together on the court at the same time isn't working very well. And I'm sorry Haws, but Hardnett is a better all-around player than you are. You can score (minus the Weber State game), but your defense is awful.
    This will only get worse now that Emery is returning. BYU can only stand to play two of those three at the same time because they are already so undersized. If they had another big body who could at least play defense, rebound, and make you guard them on the blocks besides Childs, you could play all three. But its turning out that none of the freshman are either ready to contribute or the coaches haven't done a good enough job preparing them to contribute. Nixon has been disappointing this year. And here's a pointer, if you can't make threes, stop shooting so many of them.

  • tlilj Yakima, WA
    Dec. 4, 2018 2:39 a.m.

    I might actually agree the WCC was holding BYU's basketball team back, if the basketball team wasn't better than the third best team in the conference. BYU has more four star recruits than they ever have, so obviously recruiting is not the issue. What is hurting BYU more than anything is bad coaching. BYU lost four football games because of bad coaching. Mika and Bryant left because of bad coaching. Imagine if Mika and Bryant hadn't left early, this would be the senior year for both. BYU deserves to play in high school gyms, because their team is coached like a high school team. Undisciplined, and the coach plays his favorites.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    Dec. 3, 2018 10:27 p.m.

    i love a hot opinion as long as it is reasonably well thought out and with backup documentation. But, lacking any documentation and flying in the face of common sense is this mantra that BYU is handicapped because of independence. The WCC is ruining BYU etc .... This is total make believe. A good basketball coach, which is not Rose, will turn this program around. Lot of kids want to attend BYU. If the sports programs have quality coaches who put in the effort to stay up with the changing times and actually recruit good athletes who are also good kids then the sports programs will be just fine. Independence gives BYU the funding for all its sport. For those of you that say independence is the cause of losing football games over the last 2 years and the complete meltdown of the basketball program ...... it's just spouting opinions without facts. If BYU was still in the MWC right now ........ how would that make our fb and bb programs better than they are? How would that help the programs and the coaches and recruits?? It is just a moronic argument at a minimum. Rose and Holmoe are issues. Not being indy!

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 10:26 p.m.

    You just proved my point.

    Gonzaga in basketball is an island unto itself, always will be.

    Overall, the MWC is a much better conference than the WCC for basketball. It is also many times better for Olympic sports as well.

    How long are Cougar fans willing to stick their heads in the sand and continue to blame their coaches when RECRUITING is the problem?

    The reality is obvious to everyone else. Why is it so hard for anyone in Cougar nation to see the problem? BYU basketball can not recruit in the WCC as well as they did in the MWC. And, BYU as an independent football team cannot recruit talent like it could when it was a member of the MWC.

    Cougar athletics as a whole are heading for complete irrelevancy in the name of football independence.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 10:15 p.m.

    Samejersey - You are being sarcastic right?

  • Stanton Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2018 9:52 p.m.

    I don't easily accept the argument that the problem with BYU basketball is their affiliation with the WCC. If that were true, then Gonzaga wouldn't be #1 in the nation right now. Isn't a more logical premise built on something else? Perhaps, coaching?

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 8:57 p.m.

    I feel bad for these BYU coaches. When is the news media going to start reporting the REAL problem with Cougar athletics -- i.e., that, thanks to football independency and a subpar WCC, Cougar athletics is now a sinking ship.

    The West Coast Conference is NOT the Mountain West for basketball. You can't expect Dave Rose to recruit the talent the Cougar program has in the past when you are competing in a subpar conference now.

    And, it is NOT Sitake's fault that Cougar football is failing to live up to its past standards -- nor was it Bronco's or even Ty Detmer's fault.

    The fault lies in your AD department that thought it was a good idea to take football into complete irrelevancy by going independent. The fault lies with the AD office to take the rest of your sports programs to the subpar WCC and away from the much better Mountain West Conference.

    Until BYU football finds a conference, I am afraid Cougar fans need to get used to disappointment. You can blame your coaches all you want, fire all your basketball and football coaches if you want -- it is not going to help until you find a decent conference better than the WCC.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    The LP3 would have been fantastic if they’d stuck together through their Senior year.

    Haws isn’t the problem, but he lacks leadership skills.

    Believe it, or not, Nick could be the missing catalyst to bring these disparate pieces together as a team.

  • BlueMoonOden Hinckley, IL
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:55 p.m.


    I totally agree with you. It is not at all surprising the LP3 preformed below expectations. These guys were told all though high school they were the greatest players so naturally they don't play team ball. But Rose is the coach and he has the former LP coach on the bench with him. The buck stops there.

  • HoboA1 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:43 p.m.

    Mr Harmon, we've discussed this before. Is it worth repeating? BYU' s men's major sports just don't have it. The problem? A lack of talent, an inability to recruit sufficient talent, and a lack of commitment to be great. Why is this so? Because of BYU. Best regards, and Merry Christmas!

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:37 p.m.

    Weber actually has some good talent on their team. Or maybe we just made them look that good. If they really are as bad as Sagarin and Pomeroy have them ranked then BYU's men's team is in big trouble.

    So it looks like USU will be a big challenge for us but will utha have enough players on their team by the time that game rolls around at the end of this week? Seems like they have someone transfer out about every other day.

    Rose doesn't have to worry about recruits leaving with a bad impression if he loses games while they're in town this week. They would be able to read all about it and watch highlights online wherever they are in the world. What Rose does need to worry about is the bad impression HE will make on his recruits if he again SCREAMS at his players about their defense like he did during that 2nd half time out at Weber. I thought he was going to give himself a stroke. But maybe the recruits have already seen it online or will see it soon. Not a good look, Dave. Try teaching your players about playing defense during practices and not during in-game time-outs.

  • LogicInduced Ogden, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:32 p.m.

    Rose is a terrific coach with an amazing record. BYU fans' expectations in basketball and football are way too high for an honor code university in today's society. There are not that many Jimmer's. Go Cougers!!!

  • Drano USA, 00
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:06 p.m.

    The LP3 should’ve been dubbed the LPME. A couple of them play for the individual first and the team second. These recruits were highly touted, publicized and larger than life coming out of high school. But there’s a key component a couple of them forgot, accomplishments in high school don’t garuantee success in college. No opponent gives two rips who you were in high school, if you were Mr. Basketball in the state of Utah and whether you won a nat’l championship. Hopefully, Rose will make the adjustments and start playing players who are about the team first. History tells me he won’t. It will be more of the same.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 3, 2018 7:01 p.m.

    Childs...stay in the block.
    Baxter...take those minutes from Nixon...play in the high or low post and rebound and get dunks.
    Hardnett...best point guard on the team. Distribute ball, slash to the basket, score or dish off to
    Childs or Baxter.
    Harding...on the wing...drive inside, draw the defense, pass to Childs and Baxter. Or fake the pass
    and take it to the rim. He can do that because I watched him do it all through high school.
    Seljaas....after everybody drives the defense crazy, pass it out the your best 3 point shooter.
    When he gets his feet set and in a zone, he can score.
    What about Emery and Haws? After what Emery did the the BYU basketball program, why is he even on the team? Since he is, you've to play him. He can shot, but nobody else will see the ball except for Haws and if he has it, it's a turnover about to happen.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 6:26 p.m.

    The streak could extend to seven games after playing USU and Utah. Have you seen Utah play?

  • TUN_Heathen PINCKNEY, MI
    Dec. 3, 2018 5:48 p.m.

    I'm curious why Li will be playing in China after his college career.
    Does this mean he is not expected to be good enough for the NBA?

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    Dec. 3, 2018 5:48 p.m.

    Dave Rose is going to have to decide how committed he is to letting Haws do his thing which clearly isn't working. Hardnett should run the offense and Haws should get out of his way. BYU basketball looks like pick-up ball down at the YMCA with Haws deciding who will get to shoot if he can't (which is almost never). Four guys standing around watching to see what Haws is going to do next probably isn't a winning strategy and Rose should be able to see that.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    Dec. 3, 2018 5:14 p.m.

    Rose and his players are just waiting for Emery's return with their subpar performance but Emery can't save them. "After Lone Peak" can't come soon enough.

  • uterebel50 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 5:08 p.m.

    BYU-Provo will defeat a totally discombobulated Utah team this weekend, and all will be unicorns and daisies in their little world again.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 5:00 p.m.

    The Aggies rolled WCC stalwart Saint Marys. Do you think BYU is going to compete with the Aggies? At least Saint Mary's acts like they are playing defense. BYU doesn't even act like they are interested in it. They just want to get down court and jack up a questionable 3. I think the Aggies win by 20+, and the Utes will do the same.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 3, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    As long as legacy players get their shots - what else matters?

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    Watching BYU basketball has been very difficult now for several years. Same problems all the time. Poor defense, poor 3 point shooting, poor foul shooting. Something's got to change.

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    My thoughts exactly Mr. Harmon. Thank you!

  • Pugman Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 3, 2018 4:18 p.m.

    Right now this is a very bad basketball team