Herbert says Utah 'now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country'
I laugh when I see the anecdotal comments how Denver neighborhoods were ruined
by stores set up to legally sell Marijuana. That was supposed to happen to
Riverton when the state said they were going to open a Utah State Liquor store.
All those opposed came out telling horror stories of drunks hanging around the
area and the mingling crowds of vagrants and riffraff who were going to show up.
The sky is not falling folks. Keep calm and this too shall pass.
@BI,"If the price in Utah is too expensive, will consumers be
allowed to buy the legal products from other States, to fight against the
potential monopoly?"Just take a little looksee at Utah State
liquor stores. Too expensive, an absolute monopoly, and no, consumers will not
be allowed to buy the so called legal products in others states and legally
bring them over Utah's border. They can be purchased out of state, but
Re: "allows fewer such businesses to operate in the state", will it
become monoploy, which benefits big corporations?If the price in Utah is
too expensive, will consumers be allowed to buy the legal products from other
States, to fight against the potential monopoly?
Now when you vote for your Representive next election remember how they treated
your vote on this matter.
Vote them all out of office.
@stand up for truth wrote: "Referendums are just that... a non-binding
referral to the legislature... an opportunity to get public opinion."That's not accurate. Prop 2 (the medical marijuana proposition)
was not simply a non-binding referendum. Once passed, it became binding law,
which is why people are so irked by the Legislature's overturning it. Our
legislators know Prop 2 was widely supported by Utah voters, but they decided
anyway to undo it at the first opportunity. If that isn't hubris, I
don't know what is.
Geriatric Mommy it was more likely Heroin in the Bronx and uptown Harlem in
the late 60's and 70's from Frank Lucas family dealing them drugs.
I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on marijuana since it so
freely available in Nevada. Its' really sort of a moot point. The Utah
legislature believes they are guardians of EVERYTHING and everybody in Utah -
thats the way they always have been.My point is: I believe the prop.
2 advocates have a strong case in court. You should all re-read the case handed
down by the Utah Supreme Court regarding the Cottonwood Mall redevelopment last
week. Although the cases are somewhat different, what the court decided was
that citizens referendums have much more weight than previously thought by both
elected authorities.Most of the points that supporters INCLUDED in
the public referendum were not included in the legislature's actions;
therefore the referendum wasn't implemented. Even though the legislature
themselves have established such a high bar for citizens initiative
petitions.Effectively, as far as I can see the referendum had NO
effect at all - which might compel the courts to intercede!
The problem with this compromise bill, it will not allow the most Vulnerable adults with Disability and debilitating conditions to obtain
medical marijuana or even a medical marijuana card. This is a
travesty to disabled adults who are in need, isn’t this a form of
discrimination by the state of Utah. For the most part the people that will be
applying for medical marijuana or the disabled .Will only lead to
more People being arrested for trying to get relief from Debilitating
conditions. I heard everybody to write their congressman the governor and
senator‘s of Utah we need separation from Church and State. I
thought we were here to help the citizens not make them criminals.
The only thing this compromise bill really guarantees is a few hundred more Utah
license plates in Nevada and Colorado dispensaries every week.
There are two big misnomers here. Compromise and initiative. A true compromise
is when everyone gets up from the table and still feels shorted. And a real
initiative is where you work you butt off, get results and then everyone works
toward the end goal of the effort. Neither of these two elements are present in
this so called compromise initiative. Utah is falling "sooo farrrr"
behind that California, Colorado or Oregon looks good from where I stand . Only
persons being helped by this farce are the drug companies.
@stand up for truth"3. Many who voted for the proposition did so only
after learning of the compromise. So don't suppose the majority vote
necessarily wanted liberal use of marijuana. Many would have voted no if the
"compromise" was not included"Prop 2 was initially
polling ahead by a 2 to 1 margin and still had a 20 point lead in polling after
the LDS church got involved. It won by 6. If anything the reverse is true, that
many would have voted yes if the "compromise" was not included.The compromise allowed for things like LDS voters who support medical
marijuana (a large portion of members) to be able to vote with the church-urged
position but still get medical marijuana through. Well, assuming
that the legislature would've passed this if the no side won. I'm
skeptical of that...
The comments to this article are exactly as I expected. Those who want
uncontrolled use of marijuana are angry and bitter. Those who want a substance
that could be abused want responsible controls and are fine with the passed
legislation.Those who say the will of the people were not heard miss
a couple of things:1. Referendums are just that... a non-binding referral
to the legislature... an opportunity to get public opinion. They are not the
law itself. They let the legislature hear the voice of the people.2. The
legislature are who have the right and responsibility to introduce and make
public law.3. Many who voted for the proposition did so only after
learning of the compromise. So don't suppose the majority vote necessarily
wanted liberal use of marijuana. Many would have voted no if the
"compromise" was not included.
So much for democracy in Utah. It is officially dead!
I signed the initial petition to get Prop 2 on the ballet, voted against it in
the election, and am now happy with the compromise. The compromise
bill isn't substantially different from Prop 2 but had support from the
major institutional bodies on both sides of the issue. This to me is a
significantly better solution than Prop 2. We should be happy with the
compromise. There will no doubt be issues with the new law that will
need to get worked out but that's true of every law. Saying that the
language of Prop 2 should never change because it was approved by popular vote
is silly. Laws are imperfect and need to change; the new law made adjustments to
Prop 2. Prop 2 wasn't perfect, the new law isn't perfect, and more
adjustments will be made in the future and that's how our government works.
As a physician, this law makes me less likely to recommend cannabis to patients.
There is too much liability on my part. I don’t know if I’ll
participate in the program because I do t want to lose my license to practice
"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah will
be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed
pharmacist in medical dosage form."The above passage will ensure
cannabis is NEVER distributed in Utah unless the federal government removes it
from the schedule one list of prohibited substances.Everything else
at this point is hyperbole.
The comments and sentiment on this board criticizing the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints' involvement and influence in this compromised bill
are just wrong. The church, and any other community organization, has the
right and duty to voice their opinion concerning the well being of society. The
church was opposed to Prop 2 as was the medical community and others who
understood the details of Prop 2. Then they were supportive of this compromise
which enables the medical benefits, as verified by the medical community, while
doing the best it can to protect the abuse of this drug. And with this support
they fulfill their objective of trying to create a wholesome, healthy
environment for people to live and families to prosper. What is so wrong in
that?People may want to abuse this and other drugs and make
destructive lifestyle choices but as a church that teaches wholesome, biblical
values, they should be consistent and stand up and let their voices be heard.
Furthermore they have as much right to voice that opinion as any other person or
group. The criticism and blame and level of frustration leveled at the church
is unjustified, unnecessary, and incorrect.
First of all, we thankfully don't live in a democracy but rather a
representative republic. This makes it so that it is less likely that the will
of a small majority will be pushed onto the minority. It also makes it so we
often have to make compromises in order to get things done, a fact that is more
and more lost by the extreme left and extreme right.Second, the
legislature did not break any Utah laws, in Utah propositions that are passed
are always subject to adjustments by the legislature. If you don't like
that, I guess you could work to try to change it, but that is just how it is for
now. Finally, this bill was going to be the bill regardless of
whether prop 2 passed or not because supporters and opponents of prop 2 came
together before election day and agreed to it, basically both sides hedging
their bets as to whether prop 2 would pass or not. This is because polling had
it too close to call before the election, which makes sense given that it did
not pass by an overwhelming margin. The fact of the matter is that Utahns are
split on the issue. Therefore, this compromise bill is actually, on average,
more in line with the will of the people than prop 2.
We lived in California when Medical marijuana became a farce as anyone, mostly
18 to 30 year olds, who wanted recreational use could easily get a
prescription.As it was clear during the recent election process that
it was too late to amend the flaws of the proposition before the election, I
feel that the legislative action was not only open and proper, but responsable.
Next up for gutting: Medicaid.
Those against this new law really aren't hiding what they truly want,
recreational pot. This law gets medical marijuana to those that need it. Unless
the Utah medical Association and all those other associations are wrong.
This whole process was very transparent and was done in a democracy system
throughout. It doesn’t mean it didn’t have ripples and
controversy.It doe mean that enforcement will exist in the carrying
out of the law and order. Families, friends, neighbors, pharmacies and doctors
will all be responsible to ensure our state is safe and healthy as can be .
"We have the right to override what the people do by initiative.....Nelson
said" Initiatives in Utah were never intended by the Utah legislature
to be held in high regard by the republican legislators. HB 220 (2008) outlawed
the teaching of Utah as a Democracy . The legislators bragged on the floor of
our state legislature that once elected they were free to do whatever they
wanted. If you don't like it you shouldn't have voted them in
office. No statewide initiative is legitimate in the eyes of the
whitehairs here in Utah. The floor debate in re HB 220 demonstrated their
contempt for the initiatives that were to occcur. Proposition 2
was an easy target for this thinking. We need an iron clad initiative law that
forces the legislators into doing what the initiative instructs. This arrogance
and contempt for the thought process of the electorate must be stopped once and
for all. The new "bill" which emerged yesterday will only
allow for the street price to double and the drug store price to quadruple. It
will give license , for a buck, to the drug companies to "test" what is
already known and then gouge the sick and needy.
I'm all for medical, not recreational, by a long shot. My biggest concern
is the price and accessibility. I understand that there are going to be
restrictions imposed on these medical marijuana law and allow those who are
qualified to receive it. How about the insurance whether if they'll cover
it or not? I hope they will be careful to allow the people to use it legally and
that's basically the reason for the special session to happen so that
it'll be utilized for the people that can have that accessibility without
compromising with the law.
I have chronic pain following a severe accident at a service project almost a
decade ago. It has wiped out my career, my health, and my fortune.It took years, but finally was able to manage pain to some degree, reducing
opiods to 2 or 3 times per week. After practically shoving opiodes
down my throat (remember, hospitals are graded based on their ability to manage
pain), I find myself cut off now that opioids are this week's media and
legislative overreaction.So in desperation I tried medical cannabis.
All I could think is 'that's it? This is why we have been
jailing people for decades now? '. It works, better than low grade
opioids, better than over the counter. The side effect is a deep night's
sleep and a need to take laxatives. Big deal. And yes, relief from endless
pain. Big pharma will never capitalize this medicine. It's
far too easy to grow and produce. I see nothing in D&C 89 that excludes big
pharma from the 'conspiring men' we are warned about. In fact, why
does medication need to be under the control of the medical guilds at all? Many
countries don't do this, and one characteristic is affordable and
accessible medicine. Trust the voters.
Three comments: Utah is a Democratic Republic, not Democracy, which is a
representative government which allows for this sort of change.Why
the exclusion for summer auto immune diseases? Those folks already suffer a
lot.I don't want a government board dictating on a
patient-by-patient basis. It seems like it would be better-handled by a board
certifying the prescribing doctor: if some doctor is too loose with
prescriptions for younger people, couldn't they fix the issue this way?
But I can legally not rent to someone who uses the dispensed MM because it is
illegal in a Federal level
To the many commentators here who would say, “if you don’t like it,
vote them out”, I can only say this: The alternative seems to be to join a
complacent citizenry / super-majority unwilling to ask for accountability,
honesty, and checks on political power. I see the options. Thanks.
"We have the right to override what the people do by initiative. Now, we
don't do that willy-nilly. The only reason we're here today is we see
errors in the initiative passed by the people — we see (excesses),"
Rep. Merrill Nelson said.I am so sick of the arrogance!. Three
ballot initiatives passed because the legislature refused to do the will of the
people. And this is what we the people get the day after - we are told that we
Marijuana is not legal for those who need it. Proposition 2 included auto-immune
illnesses. The legislature eliminated that clause, dumping my neighbor with
lupus out on the street.
Those who are up in arms, contradict, specifically, this intent:"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah
will be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed
pharmacist in medical dosage form. And this will be done in a way that prevents
diversion of product into a black market."This is an example of
how collaboration makes Utah the best-managed state in the nation. Proponents
and opponents came together to honor the voice of Utah voters who
compassionately stood up for Utah patients. They provided for access to medical
cannabis, while closing loopholes that have created significant problems in
other states that have legalized medical cannabis."
Must everyone need to be reminded who opposed Prop 2 as written. Hint, it was
more than the "mormon" church. In fact they favor medicinal marijuana
use. They opposed the implementation. Others that joined: American Medical
Association, Chamber of Commerce, PTA, Sheriff's and Police
Associations.......did I miss anyone. So get off your high horse if you
don't like the revisions.If you need it, you can still get it.
But it will be dispensed by professionals not by current marijuana users. Gee,
sounds good to me.
What the legislature did was totally legal..........so go ahead and sue till
your hearts content.What they did is legal because it is outlined in
the Utah constitution. The only people upset with these regulations are those
who favor recreational marijuana. their true colors show in the comments. They
don't want any oversight. This compromise allows ALL who medically need
marijuana, the pathway to get the medicine as everyone agrees, should have
access. I would like to see specific arguments against the revisions made by
those up in arms.
You would think that Prop 2 was repealed by the comments on here. If you
don't like the compromise then the constituents should vote their reps out.
If you don't like the majority decision then there are several states you
would probably be happier living in, if marijuana usage is an important issue
for you. The good news is medical marijuana is available in Utah to those that
have a verifiable medical condition that marijuana could help. If you don't
have a legitimate medical condition then Nevada and Colorado are just a short
Wow, the pot advocates sure are unhappy.If nothing else, their rabid
opposition to the changes made by the legislature confirms that they are mostly
upset that the loopholes which could be exploited for recreational users are
closed.While I still have doubts about "medical" marijuana,
the new law seems to be a reasonable way to provide easy access to
"medical" forms to patients with verified illnesses, via regulated
pharmacies. That is vastly different from the sham "medical" pot laws
that advocates got passed in other states which facilitate "legal" pot
sales for virtually any imaginable (or totally imaginary) malady, authorized by
quack docs, and sold in neighborhood "dispensaries." We now
have a good, workable way to get legitimate medical pot to patients who claim to
benefit from it. Let's see if it works.And, let's keep
locking up growers, sellers and users of recreational marijuana, especially any
who drive under the influence.Well done, legislators.
I wonder why a medical board needs to supervise a doctor and a patient in order
to prescribe MM, but a medical board is not necessary for the prescription of
Utah will compromise & pass a ‘Medical Marijuana’ bill on one
hand, but the other hand is trying to sue Opioid manufacturing companies for the
‘Opioid Epidemic’. Some people need medical opioids, just like some
people need medical marijuana.Utah also lives off of cigarette taxes &
lawsuit money because smoking is bad, but you can smoke medical marijuana?Me thinks there will soon be another tax revenue stream for the Government,
through the facade of compassionate medical marijuana.Utah Government is
It's time to take the Utah Legislature to court. My thoughts when prop
2 won the votes for medical marijuana Utah Legislature should honor that
bill and not been changed. All they did is take more availability access for
medical marijuana who are suffering still making it difficult to get. Zero
I can only fast and pray that this compromise bill will be taken to court and
overturned. Medical marijuana should be made available to all in Utah. This
compromise does not do that.Why the LDS Church had any say in this
matter is beyond me.
@StanfunkyWhat you call "legislating from the bench" is
actually a Constitutional principle: the Judicial check and balance on the
Legislative. It was put into the Constitution by the Founding Fathers. It's
convenient to call it something else when you don't agree with the
results.The Legislative branch in Utah has been sitting on its hands
RE: medical cannabis. That's why the Citizens passed Proposition 2, which
was the most conservative medical cannabis law in the United States. Overruling
a legitimate democratic process has serious ramifications. A lawsuit is
@ Mainly Me,""...Every Democrat present voted against
it."Of course. Anyone surprised?"Not surprised
one little bit. But I'm pleased as punch that they did. Good for them!
Everybody I know voted for this because they knew Proposition 2 would be
rewritten. Not sure what the big deal is. The medical marijuana users can jump
on the fun bus to Wendover and be back in time for dinner.
@Fitz" it is changing Prop 2 so that the use of cannibas has medical
reasons "Removing most autoimmune disorders (exceptions are
Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis) from the list of conditions that
can qualify for cannibis treatment doesn't seem like a change made to
ensure there's medical reasons.
I wonder, have the commentators read the bill or just the article?? It is bill
no. HB 3001, Utah Medical Cannabis Act, and it is long. But it does not kill
cannibas, it is changing Prop 2 so that the use of cannibas has medical reasons
and the prescriptions will be kept in a similar way to any proper and legal
prescription.Cannibas is not dead in Utah, but DEA can still stop
all the various types of marijuana, whether they are medical or recreational.
The federal laws still exist.
It isn’t much but at least it’s something. Too bad Prop 2, approved
by a majority of the people, won’t stand but such is life in Utah.
"This is the fifth year in a row the legislature has shot down a medical
cannabis bill."Wrong. Medical cannabis was just made legal in
Utah, by the Legislature and Senate, and will be signed by the Governor in short
order."Every republican voted to rescind it..."Every Republican voted to clean up the loopholes in the bill which would have
been exploited for recreational use.And now the D's are
threatening to sue and legislate from the bench. Sounds a lot like what the
national D's do as well.
Wait.....isn't the legislature the voice of the people? Who voted them in?
Oops, that's right, the people did. If you don't like them, vote them
@Geriatric Mommy - Salt Lake City, UTCould you be more specific
about your area in Denver. I've lived there too and can't picture the
location you are describing.Also, please help me understand how we
could have places like Pioneer Park with out legal MJ?Thanks, have a
"...Every Democrat present voted against it."Of course.
Even if you're a devout Mormon who opposes the legalization of medical
marijuana, this legislative move should give you some serious concern. If the
Legislature can so blatantly ignore the people's vote on this issue, they
can ignore your vote on issues that you support, too.What's the
point of even giving us the power to vote on these issues if the Legislature is
going to turn around a couple weeks later and nullify our votes?
Prop 2 was never just about medical pot, medical pot is just step 1 to
legalizing recreational pot. Once legal in Colorado, the drug cartels in mexico
began buying up warehouses in Colorado to grow and control pot production - and
from there, they have access to do more damage. Wake up people this isn't
high school anymore.
Lawsuits against this will completely fail. We didn't vote on a
constitutional amendment. Prop 2 is functionally like any other law that can be
repealed or later altered by another bill. If you have a problem with this the
only recourse is (well, more like was) voting out the people doing it.
"This is a slap in the face of Utah voters, Mormon and non-Mormon, Democrats
and Republican voters.?Turn the other cheek.53% - The
will of the people? Take another survey now and I'll bet that the will of
the people support this compromise bill.Candidly, I trust the
Legislature more than the pot proponents.
Did anyone really think the real power in this state was going to bend to the
will of people... don't kid yourselfbottom line ... if you want
or need marijuana it is plentiful and available and your chances of having legal
issues for possessing small amounts is negligible.
Separation of Church & State!Just follow the money and that
tells you all you need to know. All this vote will do is drive up
the price for those in need. How can Canada be so wrong?
Having fled central Denver for what I believed would be the drug free zone of
Utah, I wholeheartedly endorse limiting any so-called medical use of marijuana.
Unfortunately, pot is a street drug. We ended up with Russian mobsters one block
from our former home in central Denver running a 'medical' pot shop
(which then converted to recreational pot 6 weeks prior to our departure). The
people who queue up at 8 AM at the so-called medical pot shop are, don't
kid yourself, drug addicts. I don't see the same lines for the use of
amoxycillin at Walgreens. Moreover, so-called medical pot never appears to have
time limitations on its usage. We started to have street crime in what was a
formerly normal area of Denver. No thank you! If they can zone so-called
medical pot like XXX porn and not ruin heretofore normal neighborhoods then go
for it. But there is nothing benign about the THC levels in pot candy and its
presence in communities. The pot lobby has a nice spin on it but this is a
gateway drug. Oh, and I grew up about 20 minutes north of the Bronx in the
1970s/80s. Let me tell you, pot neighborhoods are not pleasant places and what
happens there, does not stay there......alas.
"It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an
"affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can
prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card."This is the most absurd and immoral part of anything I have read around
this whole issue.What a disgrace our legislature, and those who own
Is there a legal fund to which one may donate to oppose this obscenity?
The evil Devils Weed, reefer madness and the bane to pharmaceutical companies
for almost 100 years. Sad it has taken this long to mellow out some
conservatives. Not that I am going to use it but once the Oxycontin for my
lower back wears thin I will most likely try some of that evil Devils Weed. What
a step forward.
As I predicted. The Utah GOP dominated government subverts the will of the
people. This will end up in court, wasting millions of taxpayer dollars, that
should go to education.Vote. Them. Out.
We knew this would happen, your vote and opinion mean nothing.
I am shocked, shocked that Greg Hughes had secret meetings that violated Utah
The Utah house just voted to rescind Prop 2 (passed by ballot initiative), along
party lines. Every republican voted to rescind it, every democrat voted to keep
it. There are five different bills that have been created to replace it. One was
offered by Representative Rebecca Chavez-Houck. It was simply technical changes
to fix some implementation issues but mostly preserve the intent of Prop 2. It
was voted down by a vote of 61-12. Now they are moving forward with the bill
meant to fully gut Prop2. This is the fifth year in a row the legislature has
shot down a medical cannabis bill.