yankees27:I realize the quarry was there first, but the reality is
that our state is growing rapidly. As a result of that growth, some private
interests will need to be overridden by the public's general interest in
health and safety.The quarry should move to a place where there are
fewer people, and if/when the area becomes more populous, should move again. It
should move whenever the area it is located in becomes too populous for its
existence there to not be a health hazard.I'm not saying the
city council should just try to force Geneva Rock out. But there's no
reason the council has to bow to all their wishes and grant the additional land
for mining. If the city (which represents ALL the constituency in its
boundaries) wants that zoned area capped where it is, then that is what should
happen. Geneva will have to deal with it.
"Cheated" The citizens felt cheated when Geneva Rock mined the land they
were trying to get rezoned before applying to have it rezoned. Then the
citizens felt even more cheated when Brent Sumsion told a bald face lie to the
Planning Commission stating they hadn't touched the land. This right
before a $25,000 fine from Draper for doing it. Mean while Geneva Rock
continues to import material from what Lehi calls a "Housing
Development". How many housing developments need a permit from the DOGM?
Something stinks Utah County and the Lehi City Council Chambers!
Just to be clear. No company has any 'right' to change zoning and
expand (on the Draper side). No company has the right to create new mines within
residential on the Lehi side. The active mining by Geneva at this very moment is
NOT on Geneva property. It is on Perry Homes property in Sage Canyon within a
residential HOA due to a loophole created by Lehi City. The same city who has
allowed Geneva to create this unreclaimable high wall. Lehi had no right to
permit this mine with the expectation of it encroaching within another City, so
this is not Draper's fault - this is purely a Geneva-Lehi created health
issue and eye-sore. To make matters worse Geneva is wanting to create a new mine
on another developers property, 50 feet from homes in a neighborhood that has
been there 12 +years. The neighborhood was there first.
Yes, the business was there but this business also agreed to the zoning change
to limit its growth in a restriction clause not to expand and the business
agreed. Therefore a new owner must abide by the zoning limits agreed to and
reported to new owner so the buyer beware is now on the other foot for a change.
Not all cities can be bought or persuaded in change for one person and disregard
10,000 others who are the dominant majority say no.This should be
lesson to all developers and builders, no is no and people come first.
Draper City has given more than it's share of sand and gravel from the
windiest and worst site on the Wasatch Front. The Mayor and City Council are
spot on to say they don't want to re-zone Agricultural land that Geneva
received after the neighborhoods were rezoned. Geneva should have gotten a
rezone before they chose to create the illegal high wall in Lehi. Now it is
time for Lehi to strap on and enforce rules and not allow mining right next to
residents (inside residential zones). Time for DOGM to coordinate with Cities
and call mining, mining (not the charade of mass regrading). There is plenty of
gravel in less windy and populous areas that Geneva should develop for the good
of Silicon Slopes.
Impartial: I didn't say anyone was trying to shutter Geneva Rock. I just
simply said that it was like moving next to an existing airport (or any other
location with potential for noise, etc.) and then being upset with the issues
which arise from said location.
J2- Geneva did go someplace less inhabited, the point of the mountain! The
people moved close to them, not the other way around. We all need gravel, sand,
asphalt, oil, etc., but fail to understand those things come from the earth and
need mined, and it's not always convenient where they are located.
It's illogical to expect a large business to just have to move. The best
idea would have been not to allow encroaching development toward them! I live
next to some railroad tracks, we all knew this when building here, yet mcfee
people move in and start a fuss about the noise every year, it's hilarious
how people don't think before buying a home.
@Delcore - Draper, UTNov. 23, 2018 10:55 a.m.The dairy did benefit
from the value of the land, but they were pushed. They moved after a great deal
of pressure. They didn't want to move, but the pressure plus the value of
the land finally won out."Simply not true. The Day family was
looking to move for 25 years. They weren't forced out. It was a matter of
economics. They are now thriving in Payson. From a D-News 2005 article;Selling the farm wasn't a hastily made decision for the family. It's
something they've anticipated for the past 20 years, Scott Day said. All
anybody had to do was watch Sandy City encroach on the countryside to know that
Draper was going to follow suit and mushroom out like it has.But, the Day
family couldn't just up and sell their farm."Ten years ago, I
don't think we would have gotten enough money to relocate," he said.
"It's like a chess game where you're waiting for an opportunity to
The dairy did benefit from the value of the land, but they were pushed. They
moved after a great deal of pressure. They didn't want to move, but the
pressure plus the value of the land finally won out. I was sorry to see it go.
Thank you @Impartial7 for some facts. I just love how people jump in with their
opinion without knowing all the facts.
@Flipphone - Sandy, UTNov. 23, 2018 9:13 a.m.There was a dairy which
had been located at 12300 south in draper since before Utah was a state. People
moved in and they forced the dairy out."No, the land became so
valuable, the dairy sold their land for 10's of millions and relocated.
Nobody forced the dairy out. and;@Legal? - Saint George, UTNov. 22,
2018 9:30 p.m.Geneva Rock was there long before the businesses and most,
if not all, of the houses. It's like people building next to an airport and
then complaining about noise and safety issues."No. Nobody is
trying to shutter Geneva. Geneva wanted Draper to change zoning on land that has
forever been zoned "agriculture", to mining. There's a big
difference. Draper denied the rezone.
Geneva is a constituency just like any one else. Listening to them is not
giving in to corporate interests. The city didn't act in good faith to one
of their constituencies.
In this case claims of "they were there first" and "nimbyism"
are ignoring the fact that Geneva Rock's operations there are vastly
different than they were 25 years ago.If you moved next to an
airport and then the airport expanded by 10x and asked for permission to double
in size again, it would not be "nimbyism" to say no.25 years
ago this was a normal sized gravel pit. Now it's an enormous health and
environmental disaster area that's ruined the Point of the Mountain, and
they were asking for zoning changes---a special favor, not something they were
entitled to---so they could expand even more. Refusing their request was
right---not just right for Draper but right for all the 1.75 million people in
Salt Lake and Utah counties affected by what happens at the Point.
We need the same restriction in North Salt Lake. The dust from the gravel pits
and the crushing of rocks there is equally as bad as it is in draper. I cannot
drive to Salt Lake without going through dust from the pits or from the road
where trucks have dropped some of their load on the road. The Salt
Lake City council needs to do the same as the Draper city did.
We all have an interest in what is happening at this site.The scar
on the mountain is a blight. Don't approve any more mining in this area.
The growth has finally caught up to us. Ripping the mountain apart is no longer
a good idea.
There was a dairy which had been located at 12300 south in draper since before
Utah was a state. People moved in and they forced the dairy out.
I find it interesting how Geneva Rock is trying to pit Lehi against Draper over
this expansion and the high wall of the mine on the Lehi side on the
mountain.If I may quote from the story: "Because of the City
Council's decision, that high wall will be there forever," Kallas said,
"unless they're willing to change the zoning."I'm
sure Geneva can find material from others mines or sources to handle the grading
on the high wall to give it a 'more natural look (their words, not mine).
To me, this is an attempt to put pressure on Draper on the P.R. front and
possibly politically. Trying to get neighbors to fight so you can get your way
on something seems rather...underhanded by Geneva Rock.Just because
you have a business does not mean you can run rough-shot over your neighbors.
True neighbors, in the end, work through their differences and co-exist
together. Lets see if the new proposed changes can meet that need.
Geneva Rock may have been there before I came along and settled in the area, but
the dust from their operation is a huge issue with my health. Since they
can't control their dust within their property, its about time the City
Council finally grew a spine. By the way, Geneva Rock, you may have the right
to develop your property but damage to my health is not a part of your right.
Just so you know, since you brought up being cheated, you are cheating my
lungs when the dust from your quarry fills the air that I breathe. That's
Good for the city council. It's doing its job if it stands up for the
health and safety of its residents.Geneva Rock needs to go someplace
less inhabited by humans.
The county should have never allowed the gravel pits to be Annexed into Draper.
Draper City wanted Geneva Rock to be in the city limits so they could collect
the taxes. Draper should have never allowed homes to be built so close to the
gravel pits. Poor planning and greed has caused a dusty mess for Draper. I am
glad I don’t live in Draper
I don't get it, you buy a used home knowing its a fixer upper to conditions
and zoned same as other homes on the block, and some guy comes in and wants to
build hog farm instead of a family home and the guy thinks he is being cheated
because he can't get the city to approve a zoning change to grow hogs? He bought the house knowing the restrictions and expansion laws in place
contradicts his dreams hog farm and money can't buy the zoning commission
to alter the landscape and peace and love family's are enjoying so he can
industrialize the neighborhood into and undesirable place to live? and the
neighbors con't have the right to stop him from profiting by destroying
other peoples lives and living conditions? Its good to see this city thinking of
its citizens more than a millionaire bringing in destruction to a peaceful way
I applaud the city council for its opposition. Every time the wind blows over
about 15mph Draper is covered in dust from Geneva’s operations. It’s
not only an eyesore, it’s a health hazard. The only thing better than
limiting “mining” would be shutting it down altogether.
Geneva Rock was there long before the businesses and most, if not all, of the
houses. It's like people building next to an airport and then complaining
about noise and safety issues.
More corporate WAH, oh and mr.jj69 what does it matter, I can fully understand
the citizens of Draper not wanting to be a dust bowl with every north wind
coming around the point of the mountain...
Typical NIMBY response by Draper City Council. I have no vested interest in
Geneva Rock, but this is how things are done now. People don't want
anything done near them anymore, they are known as CAVE (Citizens Against
Virtually Everything). Sounds like Geneva was well established in the area
providing a much needed service. i guess it is okay to have these sorts of
activities done in someone else's back yard.
How many of those in "opposition". moved to draper long after
the gravel company did?
"Cheated"? Cheated is what happens when city councils listen to their
constituents instead of corporate donors. Amazing how, local government doing
the right things for citizens, is now considered cheating by campaign