As I see it....1) Everyone in the P12 wants a piece of the
Trojans.2) People keeping overlooking Stanford as a rival3) U's
conference rivals IMO... Stanford, Oregon, & the AZ Schools
As far as SorryNotSorry said "... Check back in 2025 when
college football changes again and see what the state of the programs are and
what the win column looks like. Then we can declare it dead or still
vibrant."Lets say the P12 adds four (CSU, NM, SDSU, &
Boise). The first 3 join the South and Utah moves to north w/ Boise. Therein
creating a new rivalry.in regards to JDay, ",,,but
the PAC12 south division is by far the worst of all P5 divisions."Wrong. It would be the SEC East where its 1 team (either UGa or the Gators)
& a bunch of hacks.
I think I understand. Brad Rock says it’s not a rivalry. Then it’s
not a rivalry. Brad Rock has the final say about. He will do and say anything to
keep byu-p Utah’s rival.
Real Ute - Dallas, TXNov. 16, 2018 3:00 p.m.“Colorado and Utah
State are Utah's football rivals.”LOL 🤣Colorado fans couldn’t care less about U.Posted on the SB
Nation - a Colorado Buffaloes community website today:“I would
imagine it’s gonna be pretty empty."The day before playing
their big “rivalry” game, the only thing they were concerned about
was the pre-noon start being way too early.They couldn’t have
cared less about Colorado’s opponent.
Simple“As long a BYU remains independent Utah does not need
the game.”What is that supposed to mean, exactly?Even last yeat, in the midst of a 4-9 season, BYU was by far Utah’s
toughest OOC opponent.If Utah was really interested in improving
their OOC SOS, they’d start by dropping their FCS opponents.Besides, Utah’s OOC SOS is completely irrelevant, since Utah has never,
and will never, be a legitimate contender for a CFP berth.Claiming
that Utah needs to drop BYU to improve their SOS is a complete lie.
Certainly BYU/Utah is still a rivalry simply because of proximity. However, the
intensity of the rivalry seems to be waning. I think that this is because Utah
simply has 4-5 bigger games on its schedule and BYU is playing 3-4 other big
games against good teams. The game no longer decides a conference championship,
so not a lot is at stake. If both teams can consistently be ranked for the
game, the intensity will return, but otherwise, the game is something of an
annoyance for Utah fans.
Just as rivalries are not forged overnight, neither are they dismissed
overnight, but the trajectory is there. As long a BYU remains independent Utah
does not need the game. The results will alway just be for bragging rights and
most years the game will be played with little more than that on the line early
in September, when games are not really "rivalry" games. The
legislature has attached an anchor that will delay the inevitable demise of the
rivalry by "requiring" this game every year and the proximity of fans
and years of built up energy will hold it aloft, but eventually this game will
not matter much to either school.as for those that say other schools
don't' consider them rivals.. Duh! Why would they. What USC fan is
going to list Utah over UCLA ? or ASU fan of UoFA? However, those games DO MEAN
MORE to Utah and its fans than a BYU win does. That's where rivalries are
born and built off of.
Colorado and Utah State are Utah's football rivals. The "Holy War"
is Utah vs BYU in basketball, not football. BYU is Utah's lifelong, fierce
hoops rival ONLY. I get sick of reading all this crazy stuff. All my ancestors,
including myself are Ute grads. Just stop it!BYU is not Utah's
rival now or ever again in anything! The Brigham-Provo owners will most likely
shut down the athletic dept. They will not tolerate financing it or the bad
press much longer. And yes, BYU is paid for with tithing!
Naval VetBYU fans are simply trying to help our Utah friends escape
their crimson bubble and return to reality.
TMR:"...if there really wasn’t a rivalry they would simply
ignore the issue and move on - 'the lady doth protest too much, me
thinks.'"Shakespeare was a "playwright"; not a
"philosopher". So don't think that by quoting the Bard you're
making a "valid" point. The truth is, if it weren't
really a rivalry, Ute fans would say, "You're not our rival!"
Which we are. And besides, the only "protest[ing] too much"
crowd are the cougar fans in the churchislature, and the media, for insisting
(re: pretending) that you all ARE our rivals. And that's because they all
recognize how absolutely CRITICAL it is for Utah to recognize them as such. If
we don't, then the cougars stand to lose a shot at playing us in their
annual "Super Bowl" game, and wind up finding themselves falling deeper
Max-was-right - Mapleton, UTNov. 15, 2018 2:49 p.m."Prove it to
the world u fans. Stop commenting on every BYU article and prove to the world
that your not BYU's biggest rival. The world will be watching."So true.There's not a day goes by that Utah fans
don't think about BYU.-----------------------------JohninSLC"Utah-SLC has beat[en] BYU 7 times in a row, but
clearly THAT hasn't worked--the usual suspects are still here."6 of the 7 wins have been by 1-7 points, and in 2011, despite a very
lopsided score, BYU finishes ahead of Utah-SLC in all three major polls - AP,
Coaches and Sagarin.Hardly the "dominance" Utah-SLC fans
claim.And let's not forget, it was Utah-SLC fans who rushed the
field THREE times after beating BYU by a single FG.
SG in SLCOn the other hand, I see four budding rivalries developing
for Utah (in order):1. Utah/ASU2. Utah/USC3.
Utah/Oregon4. Utah/ColoradoDespite you're desperate hope,
the truth is, NONE of the fans of any of those teams consider U to be rivals.In fact, except during game week, they couldn't care less about U.
Said one Colorado fan: "I would imagine it’s gonna be pretty
empty."What if they held a "rivalry" game and absolutely
nobody showed up?
@Snack PAC: "Go on any USC blog or fan website and ask if they think Utah is
their rival and they’ll laugh in your face. USC fans couldn’t care
less about U."@Lester L. Wester: "Utah gets the invite to
the Pac-12 and BYU-P fans become the "experts" on all things
Pac-12."Are really so clueless that you think that being a fan
of a particular team or conference suddenly makes U an expert?Regardless of the denials from the kids on the hill, BYU is Utah's #1
rival, with Utah St a distant #2.You want proof?Count
the number of times Utah fans on this blog talk about BYU versus any other team
in the country, and it's quite obvious that you're totally obsessed
with BYU.Your actions speak so loudly, we can't hear a word of
On the SB Nation - a Colorado Buffaloes community website:One
article about the game, with 3 comments, all concerning game time.Not a single word about Utah, except for listing the opponent.Said
one Colorado fan: "I would imagine it’s gonna be pretty empty."
Frozen Fractals: "BYU is absolutely Utah's biggest rival and those who
disagree are either in denial or are just trolling BYU fans."Rival for what? BYU-P isn't in the Pac-12; Utah has dominated the series
this century; Utah out recruits BYU-P for local players; and the game is the
acknowledged "Super Bowl" for BYU-P and meaningless for Utah. Utah
recently beat BYU-P and dropped in the polls.
@ArizonaUte is right: "any Utah fan would pick losing to BYU and winning the
PAC 12 south, over beating BYU and not winning the PAC12 south."That's because they've never won the PAC12 South (T-1st isn't
the same) - it is an unfulfilled dream (unlike beating BYU).@Juice
Box got it right. Utah would like to move beyond the BYU rivalry but BYU would
like to hold on to it since they have no conference affiliation.If
BYU were in a conference apart from the U they would likely start to develop new
rivalries and then it would be mostly local media calling for Utah/BYU the way
it has been for Utah State after years of not sharing a conference with the
Snack: "Go on any USC blog or fan website and ask if they think Utah is
their rival and they’ll laugh in your face. USC fans couldn’t care
less about U."Utah gets the invite to the Pac-12 and BYU-P fans
become the "experts" on all things Pac-12.Whlile not a
rival, USC certainly cares when they see Utah coming up on their schedule and
that's what counts. And if Utah continues on it's upward trend, it
very well could come down to USC and Utah most years for the Pac-12 South. Now
that's something to look forward to, but hey, you still have that dancing
mascot thing going for you.
(...continued)On the other hand, I see four budding rivalries developing
for Utah (in order):1. Utah/ASU - This one is a bit of a one-sided
rivalry on Utah's part because ASU has had our number for several years,
but these games have often had added division/conference championship
significance and have had more intensity.2. Utah/USC - Utah seems to
get up for these games more, and I'm sure USC wants payback for recent
losses to the U.3. Utah/Oregon - The 62-20 beatdown of the Ducks in
Autzen Stadium in 2015, followed by Oregon's 2016 win over #12 ranked Utah
at RES, the Ducks' blowout win in Autzen last year, and Utah's win at
RES this year are setting up a nice rivalry between these teams.4.
Utah/Colorado - This one will probably take a while, but the likelihood of there
being a lot on the line for these games should eventually lead to a good rivalry
here.I think diehard Ute fans are going to be increasingly likely to
circle these game dates on their calendar (if they don't already).
"Prove it to the world u fans. Stop commenting on every BYU article and
prove to the world that your not BYU's biggest rival. The world will be
watching." -Max-was-rightUtah might be BYU's biggest rival,
but BYU is no longer Utah's biggest rival. I would say that Utah-BYU is
still a rivalry, but one that is diminished and continuing to wane. Rivalries
can't really be manufactured, but have to develop organically; the end of a
rivalry is an organic thing, too, which is why I feel that the Utah-BYU rivalry
still exists to some extent, but is dying, and soon, games against BYU will be
just like the out-of-conference games against any other in-state school.
"the opportunity to clobber BYU and shut up their insufferable holier than
thou fans."Sorry:Utah has beat BYU-P 7 times in a
row, but clearly THAT hasn't worked--the usual suspects are still here.
BYU is absolutely Utah's biggest rival and those who disagree are either in
denial or are just trolling BYU fans.
If Utah continues their domination of BYU then the rivalry diminishes.
It’s why BYU Utah St is still a one sided rivalry. There aren’t
enough W’s in the Utah st column. In five years if BYU
hasn’t beaten Utah again then I’ll agree with the Ute fans.If BYU wins this year by some miracle Utah will chalk it up to 1 out of 10.
If BYU wins three in a row and now it’s Utah who experiences a
stuttering program, then the Ute fans will clamor for the opportunity to clobber
BYU and shut up their insufferable holier than thou fans.So if BYU
wants this to be a rivalry still, they need to win multiple times. One more point, rivalries are fueled by proximity. Cal/Stanford alums play and
work in the same towns and office buildings. Same for any other real Pac12
rivalry. Not many Buffs here in Utah. So I agree with
Brad, with one caveat. Check back in 2025 when college football changes again
and see what the state of the programs are and what the win column looks like.
Then we can declare it dead or still vibrant.
Re: ArizonaUteLike I said - I can go either way. Rivalry or no
rivalry. I think there are too many bitter Ute fans to let the rivalry die.
Colorado should be their main rival but it isn't. That says something.
I'm a BYU fan, and I wouldn't mind if we stopped playing Utah. The
rivalry is fun, but it's become an embarassment for BYU. It just
doesn't look good to constantly lose to a PAC12 bottom-dweller (sure, Utah
still has a chance at the south division title this year, but the PAC12 south
division is by far the worst of all P5 divisions. It's hard to brag about
still having a chance to win a title over a junky division.)For whatever
reason, BYU just can't get up for the Utah game, and it's hurting our
Colorado is Colorado State's rival just as Utah is BYU's rival. Any
Sports Magazine or Sports Channel will confirm that. Hating BYU or Utah
doesn't make the rivalry go away, it only confirms the passion and strength
of the contest in all sports. This rivalry between BYU and Utah is referred to
across our nation as the Holy War and one of the top five rivalries in America.
So, I'll hang my hat with Kyle, Brad, ESPN, Fox Sports, Sports News and
most other sporting experts, plus the thousands upon thousands of fans all
around the country that acknowledge the fact that BYU and Utah is the PURE
rivalry. Colorado vs Utah is merely a contest.
Rock is right. How many Ute fans are commenting in Colorado’s local paper
about every happening with the Buffalos, and when was the last time a Buffalo
fan came here to trash the Utes? That kind of bad blood and obsession is what
makes Utah-BYU a rivalry, even though it is one-sided in terms of on-field
It’s hard to consider Colorado as a bigger rival than any other PAC team
because the schools have no history of winner-take-all kind of games against
each other. BYU is an instate rival simply because the fan bases have to live
with each other. The teams aren’t necessarily battling over much other
than fan base smack talk at this point. The Utes’ biggest rivals to me
right now are USC, Az St., and Wash St., though those schools have traditional
rivalries they care more about already. Over time, I think that ASU will be
Utah’s biggest rival in football and Arizona in basketball.
Fan psychology can be fascinating. It is clear based on these comments that
there are Utah fans who despise BYU so much that they will take the time to deny
there is no longer a rivalry via a post whereas if there really wasn’t a
rivalry they would simply ignore the issue and move on - “the lady doth
protest too much, me thinks.” Rivalries are great in sports. The Utah-BYU
rivalry is too rich for it to die yet, notwithstanding that the implications of
the game have obviously changed now that they have gone their different ways. Go
Utes! By the way, I am married to a fanatic Trojan fan who is starting to
develop a healthy hatred for Utah. The start of a rivalry? No, but it is fun to
Colorado sure plays like it's a rivalry.For a team that's
finished 6th every year except for the year they finished 1st they always seem
to play Utah close like a rival and spoiled Utah's hope of a championship
once upon a time.As for BYU not being a rival, I guess when nobody
cares it's no longer a rivalry. 7 wins in a row is ugly - but if BYU
somehow managed an upset this year (it's November you know) then in the
minds of everybody it goes roaring back to full rivalry.
CU joined the Big 6 (NU, KU, OU, Mizzou, K-STATE, IOWA STATE) in 1947 to make it
the Big 7. Then Okla. State joined to make it the Big 8. A rivalry with Utah?
Everybody on the schedule is a rival and they are all big games.
When I was growing up the BYU - Utah game was the biggest game of the year for
both teams. Regardless of the situation, which at the time usually meant whether
or not BYU would win a conference title, school pride was the most important
prize to be one. Given the make up of the coaching staff and the
relationships between the players school pride is still a huge part of the game.
It is always intense no matter how many points the Utes win by. A BYU win would
be hugely embarrassing the PAC12. Especially if the Utes win the Southern
Division championship and limp into the championship game after losing to a
Most teams have more than one rival. Utah and BYU are instate rivals. Utah and
CU are league rivals.By the way, CU and Nebraska were never rivals.
That was manufactured, and Nebraska dominates the series record.
Surprising that a sports writer such as Brad Rock has not heard the phrase
"Rumble in the Rockies." It's been called that since Utah and
Colorado joined the Pac 12, and the league tried to make them rivals.
BYU says, "Pick me! Pick me! Oh please pick me!"
@65TossPowerTrap@Max-was-rightYou both, being BYU fans, do
realize that you are in fact commenting on a Utah article, right?Just making sure you fully understand the irony.
What defines a rivalry? Is Navy a rival of Notre Dame? They play every year
yet Notre Dame has a 76-13-1 lead. That's a 85% winning percentage. But
consider this Utah has a 63.3% winning percentage all time over the Y and if
you eliminate the totally abnormal 22 years of LaVell's era Utah's
winning % is over 80%. More importantly the past 20 years Utah's winning
percentage is 75%.On Utah's roster there are roughly 40 players
from Utah, 32 from California, and 40 from other states. To the 40 players from
Utah the BYU games is probably a rivalry of sorts. Although Utah has won 75% of
the time. To the 32 from California who do you think they want to defeat? BYU
or USC , UCLA, or any PAC-12 opponent? And to the 40 from Utah do they want to
defeat BYU or A PAC-12 opponent? At least they would have know what the PAC-12
was.No, if you take much of this article and replace Colorado with
BYU it would be accurate beginning in 2011! Try this exercise and see how
accurate the article is regarding the current status of the BYU vs Utah series.
When Utah fans comment more on Utah stories than BYU stories - the rivalry is
dead. With that metric in mind - Utah fans still consider BYU a rival; because,
Utah fans flock to BYU stories like moths to an open flame.Frankly,
I'm cool with it either way. The two schools are in different worlds now,
so I'm cool with a dead rivalry.
It makes no sense for the Utes to ever play BYU again, especially this year.
Even if the Utes don't win the South, they don't need to be playing a
meaningless game in the snow at 8 PM........risking injury to more key players .
But, should the Coogs lose to NM State, then they would need to beat the Utes
to become "bowl eligible". That would at least make the game more
In two days, Utah's post season will be determined - at least as much as
Utah can do because 10 other PAC-12 teams have one more conference game to play
and it's Utah standing in the PAc-12 that will determine which, if any,
bowl Utah will go to.After that game, Utah has one more game that is
the 10th most important on our schedule this year. The media will hype this
game up as if it was the same as it was prior to 2011! But try as they might
this game has so little consequence to Utah. That's not to say there is no
meaning; however, we are saying there is so little!
Goodness, it is so easy to believe Colorado move on and forgot about Utah when
they moved to the Big 8. Why then is it hard to believe Utah moved on and
forgot about BYU? Prior to BYU USU was Utah's rival then conference
affiliation changed that.BYU wants to keep it a rivalry but they are no
more important to Utah than USU is because of conference affiliation.Utah's new rival? Easy question, it is the other Pac 12 schools. These
are the games with the most meaning. Currently, no one in the conference is
more important than others. That will change as some teams most often compete
with Utah for the title in Utah's great years.
The Oxford definition of rivalry is competition for the same objective or for
superiority in the same field.BYU-P and Utah ARE rivals but no
longer compete for the same objective, unless that objective is just to beat the
other team. If that is the case then Utah being 7-0 over the last seven games
certainly suggests that one program has demonstrated "superiority in the
same field and were successful in their objective.However,BYU-P's objective is to 1) schedule enough games against top-tier
opponents 2) win those games and become eligible as an independent to compete
for the CFP championship. Otherwise, they enter their seasons with the
objective of being bowl eligible - which isn't much of an objective. Utah has the objective of winning their division, winning the
conference, and compete for CFP championship.Both schools are
failing if their current objectives are to win championships. Utah
vs Colorado - not a rivalry, just an important game.
Prove it to the world u fans. Stop commenting on every BYU article and prove to
the world that your not BYU's biggest rival. The world will be watching.
Facts:PAC 12 wants Utah-Colorado to be a rivalry.Utah fans
want Utah-USC to be a rivalry.BYU fans want Utah-BYU to be a rivalry.Me- I want pizza.
I suppose if we had lost most of our games then beating BYU might take the sting
off but otherwise they are just another cupcake we put on to pad our schedule
(and appease the utah legislature).
"If Utah is developing a rival in conference, it's ASU."ArizonaUte:Agreed. For me it goes back to the WAC days.
Again, the only people who think BYU-P is still Utah's rival are BYU-P fans
and BYU-P-loving media who want to hang onto the coattails of anyone who's
relevant.The bottom line is, no Utah fan is even thinking about the
BYU-P game yet, while BYU-P fans have been talking about it all year. Sometimes
I even forget we have another game after Colorado.
I would tend to disagree with Whittingham on Utah-Colorado not being a
full-fledged rivalry. Even in the first year of the new look PAC, Colorado kept
Utah out of the inaugural PAC-12 title game. Last year, whoever won the game was
bowl eligible, while the loser sat home for the holidays (that's motivation
enough for Colorado right there). This year, Utah needs to win to have any hope
of clinching its first South division title. Add in the fact that the games have
been close almost every year with each team winning here and there, and
that's a recipe for a good rivalry.As a fan, it doesn't
get much better than chasing a conference championship late in the season.
I'm solely focused on rooting for Utah come Saturday, while hoping at the
same time Oregon takes care of ASU at Autzen. Utah vs. BYU? Not
nearly the same allure. Sorry. That's just the way it currently is.
@Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, UtahI am a Utah fan and Utah's
natural rival is BYU. Location, religion, family, friends, local media,
history, etc. That's just how it is. Colorado doesn't feel like a
rival.Utah has gone 3-2 v. USC in the last 5. But it's not a
rivalry yet. Utah is simply getting better. USC could become a budding
rivalry. But aren't currently. If Utah is developing a rival
in conference, it's ASU. We can't stand those arrogant suckers. But
I don't think ASU would consider Utah a rival. So, there is that. To me, they feel more like a rival. Smack talk and all. I want to beat
that team more than any other in the conference. So, if that is
what makes a rival, wanting to beat them because of their fan base and
conference standing, then they are a budding rival.Stomaching a loss
to BYU would be tough. But.......any Utah fan would pick losing to BYU and
winning the PAC 12 south, over beating BYU and not winning the PAC12 south. Fortunately those two choices are not mutually exclusive. We'd
rather win both.
The USC game is the only one that means a little more than the others. And
they've been very competitive since joining the league. Not a
"rivalry" anymore when Utah side has no significant reason to care.
Lose - so what? Rose Bowl possibilities overwhelm beating up another in state
team or losing to them.
OK, Brad, whatever you say.
Stop bringing up BYU as a rivalry game for Utah. That is in the past. Colorado
is Utah's rightful rivalry game. The series has an overall close record
since 1903 with Colorado leading 32-29-2.And the rivalry lives on
since 2011 5-2 in favor of Utah. All very close games with exception of last
year had a bit wider margin. This year will most likely be a close game as
well. The Rumble in the Rockies lives on.
Snack PAC - Olympus Cove, UtahNov. 15, 2018 11:59 a.m.FT - salt lake
city, UTNov. 15, 2018 11:05 a.m.“Sorry Brad but ask any loyal
Ute fan, player or Coach. The Utes would rather beat Colorado any year than
BYU.”😂 LOL at how some Utah fans are living in
denial.The truth is, there isn’t a single team in the PAC 12
that thinks of U as their rival.Claiming that USC is Utah’s
rival is hilarious.Go on any USC blog or fan website and ask if they
think Utah is their rival and they’ll laugh in your face.USC
fans couldn’t care less about U.-------Just like
Utah fans couldn't care less about BYU. The difference, we can
actually beat USC.Which is why we would like to cancel the series.
We would like to add Utah State.
FT - salt lake city, UTNov. 15, 2018 11:05 a.m.“Sorry Brad but
ask any loyal Ute fan, player or Coach. The Utes would rather beat Colorado any
year than BYU.”😂 LOL at how some Utah fans are living
in denial.The truth is, there isn’t a single team in the PAC
12 that thinks of U as their rival.Claiming that USC is Utah’s
rival is hilarious.Go on any USC blog or fan website and ask if they
think Utah is their rival and they’ll laugh in your face.USC
fans couldn’t care less about U.
I'm a Utah grad and fan. Colorado is more of a rival to Utah than BYU.
"Sometimes rivalries never happen, regardless of effort. It would take a
long time for Utah-Colorado to evolve. It would require Beck-to-Harline,
Ratliff-to-the-rescue, storming the field, tipping the goalposts, Smith or
Staley to the end zone, and magic happens."And sometimes they
die and go away. All of that "magic" happened when Utah and BYU-P were
equals. Now it's a Colorado-Colorado St.-type thing as mentioned in the
It isn't a rivalry. Utah has been very successful since entering the PAC
and is building a football rivalry with USC. Aside from one football season
Colorado has been a disappointment in most sports. Was a mistake to admit them.
Sorry Brad but ask any loyal Ute fan, player or Coach. The Utes would rather
beat Colorado any year than BYU. Every league game is a rivalry because of its
implications. Any non-league game has little to no impact on how the Utes meet
their season goals every year. Rivalary's are a thing of the past, unless
you're a teenage girl.