"Congress seem to forget that oath when it comes to protecting America from
Trump." Seems to be people are forgetting that Trump is the constitutional
elected President. And although you may disagree with some policies, Trump has
not violated any part of the constitution. Calling for anyone to protect
America from the President is anti constitutional.
@patrioticAMERICAN 11:32We all agree on about 80% of the basic things in
life. But like you said, it's that 20% that we all seem to focus on, and
that 20% is what keeps us divided instead of being the UNITED States of
America.It's always been that way. It just seems even worse
today than when I was younger. It gets worse every time we elect a new
President. I think part of it is that the other side (whichever side you are
on) gets mad about how the other side treated your President, so when their
President is elected you do the same thing to the new President (or worse). So
the contention just escalates each time we elect a new one.It's
almost like the gang mentality that keeps gang-members in almost
constant-contention with members of their rival tribe.It gets worse
with every President we elect. At least it has for my lifetime.We
are divided no doubt. And yet, on most things in life (outside politics)... we
basically agree on most basics in life, until politics are brought in.
“It is true that opportunistic politicians may have channeled an
internally focused America first mantra to parlay the angst, fear and
frustration facing the nation and secure power for a season. But the duty,
honor, sacrifice and service of country first will stand as an eternal monument
to those heroes who lived their lives and gave their all to make a difference
for others and ensure the real dream of America continues as the last, best hope
on earth.“So true! Thank you, @BoydMatheson & DNews for
enlightening & educating us regarding this important distinction. I also appreciated Boyd Matheson’s example of elucidating his points on
CNN while finding common ground with a person sharing opposing viewpoints
recently. They were both civil and I learned a lot from their exchange. It’s not O.K. to embrace nationalism. Today, it was reported hate
crimes have gone up 17% this year, a number that has risen three years in a row.
The language we use matters and sends signals to those we lead as well as to
other global leaders. Nationalism is on the rise globally.I shared
this great article on social media today. Everyone who cares about America needs
to read it on 🌎 Kindness Day!
Good column, Boyd. As Macron pointed out also, nationalism is the opposite of
patriotism. Nationalism is what Hitler implemented. Trump would do the same,
albeit in a more benign and disorganized way. America First, as Trump sees it,
is really nothing more than American Alone.
@patrioticAMERICANRE: "So patriot or nationalist? You can't be
both"...---I don't see everything as black-or-white nothing
in between, like you.It's a continuum, not binary. People can
have varying degrees of Patriotism. And varying degrees of Nationalism.You named wars that were caused by Nationalism run amock. But you
didn't mention other wars that most Americans think had good
motivations.Revolutionary War:Those people (Gen Washington,
Paul Revere, etc) were patriots, and they felt nationalism (the actual
definition of "Nationalism").These patriots wanted America
to be it's own country, and were willing to fight to make it a separate
nation. They fought England to become a nation. Later they fought France,
Spain, etc.It's not black-or-white... your either 100% patriot.
Or 100% nationalist. You could be a mix. 45% nationalist, 55% patriot, etc,
or any other mix.We are all patriots to some degree (not just you).
And we all have some feelings of nationalism (even Democrats).When
it becomes extreme/radical it's a problem IMO.All Rs are not
the same. All Ds are not the same. Life isn't black-or-white,
all-or-noting. It's mostly somewhere in between.
So funny to quote the EU members dissing on Trump. The French president calling
on the EU to create an EU army to protect the EU from the U.S. Calling on the
EU to become a nationalist organization. Only problem the EU has, is the
members don't want to become solely the EU. They want to retain their
individual national sovereignty. That is why each country of the EU maintains
their own armies, They really don't trust each other. They don't
trust the globalists. The globalists don't want you to realize EU members
It's clear that a large faction of Americans are either ignorant of
history, or unwilling to learn it's lessons. The "nationalism" of
the 20's & 30's in America & throughout Europe & Asia, are
precisely what brought us WWII & the Holocaust. I know what I'm taking
abt, having read thousands of pgs. of books abt. WWII & it's causes,
from people who watched it unfold; & watched hundreds of hours of
documentaries abt. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco & their rise to
power.Macron, put it very well at the WWI 100th anniversary
commemmoration in France this wkend when he said that millions of soldiers who
died in the Great War fought to defend the “universal values” of
France, & to reject the “selfishness of nations only looking after
their own interests." He continued, "Because patriotism is exactly the
opposite of nationalism.By putting our own interests first, w/no regard
for others, we erase the very thing that a nation holds dearest, & the thing
that keeps it alive: its moral values,” He also denounced
"fringe ideologies that have become more mainstream...that could undermine
the legacy of peace we thought we had forever sealed.”So--patriot or nationalist? You can't be both.
I find it interesting that of the 14 paragraphs in Boyd's article, 12
celebrated the life of Mayor Brent Taylor--his faith, his kindness &
consideration for others, his belief in our democracy & his willingness to
sacrifice his life to defend it. And yet the majority of responders chose to
focus on 2 small paragraphs. Did they even bother to read most of
this homage to the life of a great man, one of the many unsung heroes in our
nation's history, whose sacrifices mostly go unnoticed by the masses
because they were not wealthy or famous? It's people like this who make
America "great", not because they die, but because they're
"willing" to do so. But that alone doesn't make Taylor
truly great--it is his humanity that shines thru this OpEd--the kindness he
showed to a grieving widow, to his neighbors in Ogden, to the Afghan people he
encouraged towards democracy & the Afghan soldiers he fought along side of;
& it's ironic that in the end, he was betrayed & killed by one of
those soldiers. People like Taylor are what makes America great, not
those who merely whine & pine for a time that never existed, when America
was supposedly "greater" (except Pre-Trump in general).
"the left's attempt to smear a good man"The "good
man" who wants to shut down the election re-count he is winning, and have a
new election in the election he is losing....that "good" man.
Mr. Matheson seems to be trying to "make a man an offender for a word"
by equating "America first" with some cleverly disguised and nefarious
agenda. But to use Mr. Matheson's own argument, I would remind him and his
readers that for those of us who live in America, America is our country. To put
America first in America is to put our country first. For Americans to
subordinate American priorities to globalist priorities is to surrender our
sovereignty."America first" means that in America, American
sovereignty is the first and supreme law of the land. The fiction that any
decision made by any global body should supercede American priorities in America
is contrary to every principle of federalism and republican government. No
matter what community I live in, my community's priorities come first in my
community. We elect our representatives to represent the community from which
they come and no other party. They cannot and must not serve two masters.I would expect a citizen of any other country to behave the same in
relation to their own land.
@Mike Richards: "...the sooner our Country will be great again."Tell me exactly what time period you're referring to, when America
was so much greater than now! Was it during the 90's when we defended a
repressive monarchy for oil, & Wall Street was King as corps amassed &
consolidated power. Or during early 21st century when we attacked Iraq based on
lies, & the greedy financial industry caused worldwide meltdown, then got
bailed out by gov't who let millions lose their homes & jobs? Korean
War in the 50's? Or 60's cultural revolution & Vietnam? Or
70's recessions, energy crisis & Watergate? Mafia control &
violence of 20's or Great Depression? The McCarthy witch-hunt or Jim Crow
era & powerful KKK? WWI, WWII (incl. Manzanar) or the eugenics &
isolationism b/t the 2 that allowed Hitler to flourish? When robber barons
ruled? Or maybe the Civil War, Trail of Tears, Gov. Bogg's Extermination
Order, or the Manifest Destiny era that conquered helpless islands in the
Pacific? Or maybe when slavery was tolerated by half the country, &
promulgated by the other half. Or maybe you're referring to 80's when
Reaganomics created a huge gap b/t haves & have nots.Tell me.
Aah, the citizens-of-the-world crowd grousing about reality.It is a
bit surprising to see the Deseret News chime in with the globalists,I recall reading a book at BYU, required for graduation. It was called,
"Just and Holy Principles; Latter-day Saint readings on America and the
Constitution."The selections were from apostles and prophets.
I'm afraid some of those essays would be frowned upon by the editor these
days.It's sad, really. I kinda liked what they said.
My father has two sons, after his second heart attack he asked his two sons for
assistance. His first son said, "What can I do to help
you?"Second son said, "What's in it for me?"Patriotism is the first son and Nationalism is the second son.The burden of supporting and protecting this country is solely on the
shoulders of the working class Americans.Republicans have fought
solely for the rich to insure they pay nearly zero in taxes. In return the
wealthy give less and get more.Which son are you?
CBYou say: "I see a President who is trying to maintain these
same values, unfortunately against many of those who no longer appreciate the
freedom that we all have a right too."I would hope you
understand that many of us on the left politicially, and in the center
increasingly see a President who does not understand American values, subverts
democratic norms and appears to think that the freedoms we cherish belong to but
a few.I don't assert that your point of view is unpatriotic,
though perhaps misguided. However, your slam against political opponents as
unAmerican is beyond the pale.
Country, America, me, its all the same. You are splitting hairs because you
hate me. Pass laws to help me. Stop passing laws, or worse allowing un-elected
bureaucrats to make regulations that hurt me. That is why America, our country
has a constitution, elected officials write the laws, the president enforces
them, the judicial branch gets to review each step, not some Washington
Amazing how timely this piece is, Boyd discussing the difference between Country
First and America First just before French President Emmanuel Macron went on an
international stage to, in effect, rebuke President Trump for his nationalism.
Also at the international meeting, it was suggested nationalism is what brought
about World War I. They were, in essence, saying, "President Trump,
attitudes like yours caused the Great War in the first place." I
think you have to feel for President Trump at this moment. He was embarrassed on
an international stage. Still, it occurs to me that his America First agenda
does have a conflict with his Make America Great Again motto. Part of
America's greatness is that it is a world leader. And, if you are to lead
the world, you have to convince the other nations you have their interests at
heart. They won't be following you and you won't be leading them if
the only interest you have is your own.
Sorry Mr. M, but your politics is showing. I'm an American who loves her
country. Who understands the founding and purpose we have been thusly
blessed.In "God we Trust" is a part of that foundation and that is
one of the reasons we have had men and women willing to sacrifice their lives to
maintain that right and privilege. I see a President who is trying to
maintain these same values, unfortunately against many of those who no longer
appreciate the freedom that we all have a right too.
Equating nationalism with xenophobia, as some posters have done here, is false
and reactionary. Nationalism is quite inclusive, as it disregards race, creed
and color, in favor of our own citizens.Americans of all races are
found in business, government and the academy, with great success all around.About a third of the foreign-born living in the USA are working and
studying on visas...and we welcome them with open arms.Nationalists
simply want the control of our borders to be in the hands of our government,
guided by the law of the land.If you find evil in that notion,
I'm sorry for you.Personally, I take issue with globalists who
wish to erase the borders and embrace this new world order, a model that can
never be managed by men. I resent those who wish to give our nation away to
others.That old nationalist, Barbara Jordan, firmly declared that
immigration must serve the national interest. The new narrative is just PC writ
large. I want no part of it.
Since I live in America, "Country" and "America" are essentially
the same thing. I wouldn't expect a Czech or a German or a Dominican to
put America first. You don't have to travel much to see that the ideals
that have made us great here, could do some good in other countries. In most
foreign countries, litter abounds, corruption is rampant, security is iffy, air
is dirty and water is polluted (filter everything). Freedom needs to be fought
for as in Afghanistan. Slavery still exists in many, many countries. The
ideals in each of our founding documents are the foundation of all that we have
here. We fought for them (as in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars) and over the
years have refined them. We continue to work and argue and yes even fight.
Whatever the faults of ours or our leaders, these ideals, the ideals of freedom
and liberty are the sum of Country and America. I love these ideals and am
grateful for those who have sacrificed for them.
While I deplore course speech and disrespectful behavior, it is not a one sided
issue in the US or globally. If a previous US President would have given his
whole allegiance to country first and been more concerned about all of the
USA's citizens, this absolutely essential course correction wouldn't
seem so drastic. Without President Trump I'm sure we would have continued
to give away the farm so to speak. Thank you President Trump for staying a
difficult and unpopular course.It's interesting the Mr.
Matheson can't see clearly what this is about or why it is important, but
has joined the voices of anti-trump at the expense of so much that is good.
What has happened to strength and courage to be an independent voice?
"Martin Luther King described America not as a place or simply a space rich
in natural resources, but that America is essentially a dream, a mindset and a
way of living."Matheson should not be using Brent Taylor's
death as a means to delineate any distinction in today's political
rhetoric. One needs to only look at Trump's bizarre antics in France this
weekend, or bizarre antics whenever he is around world leaders, to realize
"America First" is code for being anti-Muslim, anti-refugee,
anti-immigrant, anti-science, and anti-Hispanic. Brent Taylor did not believe in
any of that. Most world leaders do not subscribe to Trump's nationalist
beliefs, only his base does.In the context of current politics,
MLK's quote is inappropriate and disingenuous. It's much more like
Langston Hughes' "Dream Deferred"."What happens to
a dream deferred?Does it dry upLike a raisin in the sun?Or fester like a sore--And then run?Does it stink like
rotten meat?Or crust and sugar over--like a syrupy sweet?Maybe it just sagslike a heavy load.Or does it
explode?"We are no longer the shining becon on a hill. Instead
it's a chorus of "Where's mine?" It's more
like dream exploded.
Shaun (9:52 a.m.)Assume whatever you want. However, I want you to fully
understand that I would never falsely imply that you said or wrote something
that you never said or wrote. How you decide to make implications is only a
reflection on you - not on me.
@mike richardsSo I suppose you supported Obamas tariffs against
China and you also supported Obama reducing our involvement in the Middle East.
@AnotherPerspective"I suppose we could debate President
Trump's past if you wanted, but what I see at present is a man trying to do
the right thing in spite of all the corruption and secret combinations going on
in"He fired Sessions and appointed Whittaker, someone who has
not been senate confirmed to his previous position (and thus could be an illegal
pick), someone who must recuse from handling the Mueller investigation but
hasn't (since he's pre-judged it), someone who is caught up in a fraud
investigation, probably solely because Trump trusts him to do what he says on
the Mueller probe or other things. That was just this past week. And it's
not isolated. Trump does corrupt things all the time. He's got multiple
prominent officials of his eam pleading guilty to crimes.
Let's compare two Presidents and what they did: Barrack Obama
meddled in the Middle East to put America's interests first, above the
wishes, the rights and the obligations of sovereign nations whose leaders he
helped topple. To me, that is the worst kind of arrogance. He told the world
that only America's opinion matters. He put America first even while he
back stabbed Americans with his "humble pie" rhetoric. Not only that,
but Obama put God on the back burner as he directed the military to stash their
Bibles even as he insisted that the Koran be respected.Donald Trump
insists that all nations treat our COUNTRY fairly; that their trade policies are
the same as our trade policies; that they do not subsidize their industries
without facing trade tariffs to level the field; that they pay all obligations
for their role in NATO. He recognizes God.It is clear that Obama put
America first and that Trump is putting Country first. The sooner we see
through the left's attempt to smear a good man, even as they promote the
policies of Obama, the sooner our Country will be great again.
Mr. Matheson,I might point out the fact that two people you quoted,
namely John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr., were extremely immoral men,
and well-known for it.It also seems clear to me you are not a fan of
President Trump. That's fine. You are entitled to your own opinion, but
what I see is a man trying to do a major course correction with this country
that should have been done decades ago. In fact, I see the Lord
using this man very much the same way he did with Nebuchadnezzar when the people
were wicked in Jerusalem during the time of Nephi. I also do not see President
Trump being immoral in the highest office in the land like John F. Kennedy
was.I suppose we could debate President Trump's past if you
wanted, but what I see at present is a man trying to do the right thing in spite
of all the corruption and secret combinations going on in not only Washington
D.C., but in government across our country. Not to mention, there are liars
trying to take him down at every turn.I pray for President Trump and
his family to be protected because of this and I hope you will, too.
I think the question is whether we see America as an idea and an ideal, or is it
a 'homeland'? Is it a piece of ground we have to defend, or a standard
we have to uphold?
"We had to endure eight years of "fundamentally changing America"Seriously. Fundamentally changing America? Nonsense.We
didn't start any wars, if that's what you mean, but neither did Regan.
We got out of a war if that's what you mean, but so did Truman, and Nixon.
We recovered from the worst economic downturn in 70 years..is that what you
mean? We entered into new trade and foreign relations agreements, but so did
Regan (let Russia keep their nukes..Iran had to give up nukes).What
didn't happen is the President running around the world making
"friends" with murderous dictators with no returns ( oh I forgot Obama
bowed too low). What didn't happen is the President demeaning all the
foundational institutions of American democracy.Fundamentally
changing America...I don't think so....oh wait I forgot it was the first
black President..that was a fundamental change.
We had to endure eight years of "fundamentally changing America" and the
damage that philosophy created. I am all for putting our country, America,
first. That does not mean we do not help others. It means that we put our house
in order first so we have the ability to help others.
"How dare you tell me what I think or what I mean when I say , "America
First"?"I can't speak for Mr. Matheson, no can I
control what you think when you say America First. What I can tell
you for a fact is that Nationalism and Nationalist are terms used in the public
sphere for people who's patriotism is based on xenophobia, jingoism, and
chauvinism, so think what you may...and you may just be wiping your nose with
the red handkerchief, but the bull will in fact see something entirely
different..despite your intentions. This becomes even more evident
when combined with policies that disengage us from the world. We were fine
engaging in the world as long as we dominated, now despite still having an
enviable position we are forced to "accommodate" the interests of
others. Patriotism and common sense has plenty of room to work for
the interests of America within the field of reality. Nationalism expressed
through the policies of disengagement will always look like arrogance and
Once again a knock on President Trump is implied in a very sad event. Shameful.
Major Taylor had a job to do and did it well in a very difficult area of the
world. It’s a standard that we say here in Utah , God, Family, Country.
But to ignore what the last administrations have done to destroy America is not
living in reality. America and the military was depleted and damaged. President
Trump looks out for America and it’s embarrassing that in our self
righteous community here in Utah we get the same old bashing of a President
while grandstanding on the death of a local hero. America first has its place
and Country first does as well, but what is it with the PC crowd and this author
thinking to continue the circus. God bless President Trump as he has and God
bless the Taylor family that doesn’t need to be used in this article.
The Great HelmsmanYou hit the nail on the head. However,
understanding what "nationalism" means to the world community (and
indeed a great many Americans who still remember what the word meant in
1930's Europe and Japan) seems a tough row to hoe.That, or we
have entered the mentality of that awful era yet once again. I
sincerely hope that a national history lesson might staunch the glorification of
the concept of "nationalism" as an accepted way to view patriotism in
one's country and pride in citizenship.
@eigerjoe "Nationalism in America also means the interests of this country
supersede the interests of other nations. This is what President Trump means
when he says he is a nationalist. He is saying country first and America first,
and I agree."In a world where capital, i.e. corporations, are
global and where our environment is globally shared and threatened, your point
of view makes no sense.
The author states: "Country first connotes duty, honor, sacrifice and
service. America first is founded upon a more narcissistic nationalism that
focuses on winning over others rather than winning with others". To me, the attributes he ascribes to "Country-first" are the demands
that one might impose on his slaves. I'm not quite sure of the meaning for
the "American group". The second part of the comment uses the words
"winning over" and "winning with" to describe how someone sees
the United States of America and our duty to all human beings. I am
locked into the notion the Americans are those who believe the words of the
Declaration of Independence define Americans, rather than the actual
Constitution and the Bill-of-Rights that people are required to give oath to.
I am sorry Boyd Matheson, but you are completely wrong on this one. Country
First and America First mean the same thing.Nationalism means each
country is governed by the citizens of that country. Nationalism is the opposite
of Globalism which means all countries are governed by a single global
government (a worldwide government). Nationalism in America also means the
interests of this country supersede the interests of other nations. This is
what President Trump means when he says he is a nationalist. He is saying
country first and America first, and I agree.
@YugeI suggest a little study on “nationalism” is in
order. Let me please help you understand why throwing the word
“nationalism” is a problem, especially in the United States.Nationalism across the globe, is associated with far-far-right politics,
with fascism, with dictators such as Mussolini, Hitler, Pinochet, and Franco.
Past American presidents did not describe themselves as nationalists. They
called themselves patriots.Our Dear Leader adopted 'America
First' as a slogan. This was the name of the isolationist and pro-fascist
idealogy of the 1930s.I don’t want to be called a nationalist.
You are free to define it anyway you want, but it might help you understand the
reaction you get.
Your description of America First describes eloquently Trump's philosophy
and actions of separatism, distancing ourselves from compassion, and service.
Trump's America is selfish, harsh, and out for itself against everyone
else. It is one of abandonment of long-time loyal friends and principles and
made over in his image. We had our problems, but our chaos-loving leader is
taking us down at an exponentially-faster rate than has been seen before.
I'd rather rise. Long live "Country first".
God bless America.
How dare you, Mr. Matheson?How dare you tell me what I think or what
I mean when I say , "America First"?You may define
nationalism to fit your narrative and conflate us with white supremacists, but
that doesn't make your statements true. In the end, you are just widening
the divide between us and the news outlets representing globalist interests.
ijCould not disagree more. To criticize and offer substantive
alternatives is to be patriotic. It is silly to claim that criticism is
unpatriotic and that any small act of non-violence to provide a voice to that
criticism is an act of betrayal or treason.IMHO, those who call out
the people who demonstrate, write, speak up or otherwise make their thoughts
known about the current state of affairs in this country are 100% more true to
American traditions and values that the current crop of supporters and
apologists for the President and the current ruling party in Congress.
This opinion is a shallow attempt to demonize those who really do put America
first.America is our country. Country and America are the same. We all
have a duty and responsibility to maker our country...America...top priority in
our laws and policies. The rest of the world would obviously prefer that
we be their obedient lapdog.
Sorry; I disagree. To me, Country and America are the same. "My Country
This of thee, ..." and "Oh beautiful, for spacious skies, ..." have
the same ring. People who love this country, America, will do what it takes to
keep us free. Those who are self-centered whine and complain, in one way or
another, that they don't like what's going on rather than following
proceedure to get it changed because it takes too long. Do we have problems -
certainly. But disrespecting the country is no way to bring us together. Their
platforms sound good, but in the end they are a wedge. Let us seek common
ground, compromise, and make the way we do thing equitable for all - not just
Both US soldiers and US Congresspeople swear an oath to protect America. Mr.
Taylor honored that oath with his life, while most in Congress seem to forget
that oath when it comes to protecting America from Trump. Our enemies are
growing stronger and unifying, while Trump is weakening our Allies and