Utah has gradually sacrificed its moral reputation for a "socially
acceptable" one. It's tough to explain to my many non-member friends.
Don't we already have enough problems with drug abuse, even with medical
prescriptions? Why in the world add another drug problem? There are new drugs
being introduced every week to help with pain. I just don't buy it that
"medical marijuana" is necessary. Believe me it will soon be in the
hands of all the kids who are curious and will now be able to use the excuse,
"It is medically accepted. So is Aleve and cough syrup. Why not try
re andyjaggy Trusting in this states legislative and executive
branches?Thanks for the giggles.
The church only proclaimed their general view that the law should be more
restricting. It didn't tell anyone how to vote. I go to church every week
and I voted in favor of the Prop 2. Nothing bad is going to happen to me. Also, who cares if the law has bad parts? It has good parts, too. If
they want to change the bad parts, why, go right ahead. Lastly,
conservatives say no to gun control laws because criminals will get guns anyway
and lay abiding citizens will be punished. Why can't they say no to pot
control laws for the same reasons?
I feel the message to the Church is you can guide us with spiritual direction in
our lives, but leave medical decisions to doctors and our own medical needs.
@UteTrog - , AZMost everyone fears God one way or another, however
why is it okay for "your" God to be the one that makes the rules?
@Ute Trog;"Be careful wishing to be free from God. He may just
grant you your request."--- Couldn't come soon enough IMO.
A number of people are using Colorado as a horrible example and painting a
picture totally unrecognizable to people who actually live here. I live 18 miles
from downtown Denver. The times I have witnessed consumption of Marijuana in the
last year = 0 Pot consumption by high school and middle school age teens
is significantly down since enactment of our very tightly regulated recreational
marijuana. Teens have significant problems. Drug addiction is still on the
rise. Vaping tobacco products is increasing at an alarming rate here and in UT.
Internet addiction social media addiction, and porn addiction are increasing
problems. Thirty years ago teenage consumption of pot was epidemic, Today
alcohol and other hard drugs are a much greater concern.
I voted against it in good faith that our legislatures and powers that be in
this state would come up with a better alternative. In a way I am glad it passed
as it will force their hand to actually take action, otherwise I fear that it
may have just been put on the side for another 5 years.
Dont what all the fuss is about, this has much to do about nothing, I did vote
for this. But real world, those people on the hill, are going to do what they
want with this, they have so stated the case. So in others words this was a mean
less victory. The bill on this is, I am sure already written, and will pass this
Well at least there's that. few other results of this election make any
sense at all.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encouraged Utah votes,
particularly its members, to vote against it. Each person had their choice.
It's surprising how many on here are jubilant and joyful in Utah's
voters assuming ignoring what the Church has recommended. Some are crying
"Looks like traditional power players don’t have as much control over
voters as they used to. Good day for democracy" and "it is good to see a
growing number of members dismissing the church’s opinion in secular
areas."Kind of reminds me when Cain killed Able and gloried in
the murder saying "I am free; surely the flocks of my brother falleth into
my hands." Be careful wishing to be free from God. He may just
grant you your request.
We've let the camel have it's nose in the tent. The intent is good
but Prop 2 is very bad. Medical marijuana must be a controlled substance.
Control is not allowing people to grow it because they live so many x miles away
from a dispensary. It also must have strict medical issues that it can be
prescribed for, prop 2 doesn't allow for that. This is a bad
proposition. I hope it will it continue to be monitored by state leaders and we
don't inherit Colorado's problems.
I am very worried people may derive positive benefits from this drug!
As votes "roll" in?Nice!
Technically we're still disproportionately waiting on Utah County vote so
this isn't certain, but it should pass, maybe by a 3-4pt margin instead of
Looks like traditional power players don’t have as much control over
voters as they used to. Good day for democracy
@impartial - I know fully of the compromises that have been made, which is
exactly why prop2 should not have passed and a new proposition with correct
wording should have been placed on a future ballot. Compromise promises are not
required to happen but now we're stuck with the flawed implementation that
prop2 gives us. I've been burned often by
'promises', it's a shame we'll be burned by this.As for supporting medical cannabis, my father has severe Parkinson's
Disease and would benefit greatly from it. I fully support its use. But prop2
will so badly implement it that I was forced to vote against it.
@JohnnyTriumph;"I agree with other comments that Prop 2 will create
Colorado-like problems here in Utah. All we needed to do was legalize use for
medical reasons, require a dr prescription, and allow pharmacies to carry it.
Yet we chose instead to overly complicate it and increase costs. Looks like
we'll be moving from an opiod epidemic to a marijuana epidemic..."Do you have any understanding of Prop 2? It will not go into effect-as
is. It forces the Utah government to act. They already have a compromise in
place. All the scare tactics were not true. Granted, any time the Utah GOP is
involved, whatever they pass will be more complicated and convoluted than
necessary. Prop 2 is a starting point. There will be no epidemic. That's
the same argument that the anti civil rights people said about SSM. That it
would ruin the sanctity of marriage. That Utah would become a modern day Sodom
and Gomorrah? Remeber? yeah, that didn't happen either.
Impartial7 said: " So, that allows you to ignore mormon doctrine?D&C 89-10;"And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs
God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—"Stating " all wholesome herbs" in the Word of Wisdom clearly
implies that if there are wholesome ones, there are also un-wholesome ones. The men I know who smoke pot most every day--and the many unsavory and
unhappy results of their pot use--more than prove it is un-wholesome.
You'll regret it...I live in Nevada and they used the
"compassion" tactic to get people warmed up to marijuana. After the
medical initiative passed they went right to work on legalizing recreational
marijuana. Now I have to I smell it everywhere I go and see teens and adults
openly smoking it often. On a beautiful night, it would be nice to hang out on
my back porch and enjoy the evening, but now I get to sit outside and smell pot.
My sister had to move out of her apartment because neighbors smoked it and since
they shared the same A/C system she got to smell it all the time and got
headaches. It's ruined my town. So Utah, get ready for phase 2
@mayfair;"Mosiah 29:27 And if the time comes that the voice of the
people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will
come upon you...."So, that allows you to ignore mormon
doctrine?D&C 89-10;"And again, verily I say unto you, all
wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of
@ERB - Eagle Mountain, UTWhen I first moved to Utah about 25 years
ago the complaint was about the homeless and what to do. A few years back more
complaints about the homeless and what to do with them. Now all of the sudden
Prop 2 is going to bring in hoards of homeless?
Not a perfect law, but what did the GOP and the churches aggressive political
opposition expect when they have refused for years to have a constructive
discussion about the topic. At least this vote will hopefully encourage the
governor, legislature, and church to have a real discussion instead of the
"our way or the highway" approach. The churches utilization of their
law firm and Marty Stephenson (former speaker of the house) as their head
lobbyist should concern a lot of people. Why were they absent from the Opioid
discussion for so many years when we led the nation in Opioid abuse. People
that think that "illegal" marijuana is worse than "legal"
prescription drug abuse may want to do a little homework.
Now lets move to full legalization,
I voted against this proposition solely because of the mess it will create.
I'm a proponent of making medical cannabis available to those who 1) need
it and 2) get a dr prescription for it. All Prop 2 does is introduce a cannabis
only distribution network; why do this when we already have pharmacies? State
costs for oversight now are increased and for what effect, so we get pot shops
popping up all over the place?I agree with other comments that Prop
2 will create Colorado-like problems here in Utah. All we needed to do was
legalize use for medical reasons, require a dr prescription, and allow
pharmacies to carry it. Yet we chose instead to overly complicate it and
increase costs. Looks like we'll be moving from an opiod epidemic to a
The LDS Church doesn't loose often but it did this time.
How is marijuana any different than alcohol? It doesn't harm the body like
alcohol does, it doesn't make you violent nor does it impair you like
alcohol. It is less "bad" in every way. So, why aren't we going
after alcohol? Well, we tried it and it didn't work.As a card
carrying member of the church, I believe that I rejected Satan's plan and
am here to make wise personal choices or pay the price. Having my choices taken
away doesn't mean I will be a good person. It just means that I will never
know...My hope is that marijuana becomes completely unregulated.After years of watching Utah embrace the likes of Hatch and now Romney,
I am relieved to see Utahns vote for this.
@Bob Tanner & @ReadMineFirstColorado is not a good comparison,
especially Denver. Denver had a "medical dispensary" on every corner
years before they legalized it for recreational use. It was already
disgusting.I live in Washington state and it is nothing like that
here. I've never seen or smelled it being smoked. There are a very
limited number of dispensaries, so much so that I've never even seen one.
There is only one in our county and it's way out of the way.Teen use has not gone up, in fact in some demographics it's gone down,
probably due to increased funding in drug awareness education. Traffic
accidents have gone up, but only very slightly.The amount of THC
allowed is limited in the dispensaries as well. This means recreational
enthusiasts are still getting it from their dealers. The dispensaries cater
more to medical use and occasional recreational users.In some ways I
think going recreational was better. WA decided to give local municipalities a
lot of power to limit, even ban dispensaries. Creating hardships on medical
availability or trying to tax it paves the way for law suits. Here at least, I
feel the drug awareness funding totally worth it.
@ERB You blame the homelessness in Denver on the marijuana? So where does
Salt Lake get their homeless then? You are connecting dots that aren't
there my friend.The drugs that cause major problems are opiates
because they are so addictive. Marijuana is not habit forming. You can't
overdose. You are conflating the two when they are really quite different.
Marijuana is just a drug, like any other. Should we ban all
painkillers because of abuse? Of course not. Even the most dangerous drugs also
have practical uses. I'm glad Utah is thinking about patients who need
relief and not about inflated fears.
ReadMineFirst claims: "This will inevitably lead to legalization. It
happened here in Colorado. And what did we get? Increase in fatal car accidents,
children dying from accidental ingestion"Except your being
deceitful, one child may have died and that's being debated, and there
appears to be no evidence that is the cause, but still one, Not
"Children" plural.Fear and Loathing is all the anti-cannabis
folks have got, they relied on ignorance for a long time, no more.
@And_im_a_mormon - Salt Lake City, UT Nov. 6, 2018 8:55 p.m. If
"lawmakers" are going to draft a comprimis then why do we even have a
vote." Why? To force the Legislature to act. If Prop 2 failed,
they could've gone back on their word and done nothing-again. Remember when
CMV dropped their initiative for a Legislative compromise? Then reneged?
We're still in court over that. Prop 2 the legislature can't back out
again on MMJ.
I heard several comments from my Utah friends who our members of the faith
formerly known as Mormon. Some feel uncomfortable with the church weighing in
on issues that seem outside of the religious realm. Clearly there will always be
“lock step” members who literally look to their church leaders for
how to view these issues. But it is good to see a growing number of members
dismissing the church’s opinion in secular areas.
Good news for Utah but there are issues. Utah has passed Prop 2 and now
the legislature is looking at ways to limit this initiative to the point where
no one in need of medical cannabis will be able to drop their neighborhood black
market dealers any time soon. Just so you-all know, there are already mass
quantities of cannabis products available from many black market sources. Why
would you go to a dispensary in Utah, Nevada or anywhere else if it's going
to be more expensive and more restrictions are being put on it than you can get
from a neighborhood dealer?If black market vape cartridges are $40/gram
and Utah medical pot is more than that, or if its going to be difficult to get a
medical card then this is all just political, it won't change anything. I get a kick out of these doom and gloom posts from hardcore opponents of
cannabis in any form about how pot ruined Denver. This is absolutely a lie, mere
propaganda. In fact my friends who live in Denver could not be happier about
legal cannabis. Their economy is booming, tax dollars are rolling in to fund
schools, law enforcement and many other needs in Colorado.
Very pleased to see all the hysteria about this issue go up in a big cloud of
@CaliCougar"Proposition 2 is flawed in many ways. The proposed
compromise is a much better approach. "It it wasn't for
Proposition 2 being on the ballot, the so-called "compromise"
wouldn't have even been considered. Sometimes it takes a spark to light a
Great news for freedom and liberty.Man should be able to cure
himself with the plants God created, not the addicting chemical extracts that
Big Pharm bribes our representatives and doctors to prescribe.I see
the fear and loathing is still being peddled by the opponents, not based on
facts, just repeated falsehoods about non-existent dangers and myth.The minute a parent of a sick child sees the miracle that this plant can be,
when all the prayers in the world didn't stop the seizures, they will not
accept the idea that they should vote against it.
Nice work Utahns! Flexing our civic muscles. Now stay tuned and see how much
the legislature and Senate of Utah respect your voice. Hint...They don't!
Good luck getting re-elected if the will of the people gets gutted 45 days after
we spoke and DIRECTED you!
Even though the church was against this proposition, I voted for it. The church
encourages us to seek truth by our selves. That is why we have our agency
jasonlivy, CaliCougar agree with you both.If the Church leaders had
said nothing for or against, I can see members making their own best guess of
which way to vote (especially since many of them have been swayed and duped by
all the 'poor suffering people' moaning of how it is supposedly for
helping 'sick people')....But its very strange to think
members of the Church can't see the writing on the wall--- that this is
just 'the head of the camel in the tent' efforts on the way to
attempting legalizing recreational use. And even MORE staggering--
as jasonlivy pointed out-- that members would hear their top leaders strongly
come out on this issue--and then discount that, blow it off and vote against
what they have clearly said. Mosiah 29:27 And if the time comes that
the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the
judgments of God will come upon you...."
Sad day for Utah. This will inevitably lead to legalization. It happened here
in Colorado. And what did we get? Increase in fatal car accidents, children
dying from accidental ingestion, burn victims, increased homelessness...the list
goes on. If you're interested, here's a great article: The
Implications of Marijuana Legalization in ColoradoAndrew A. Monte, MD,
Richard D. Zane, MD, and Kennon J. Heard, MD, PhD
"A falling away"? May the saints preserve us!
"Even more, with clear direction from the Church, I especially fear many
members are beginning to discount what the leaders are asking us to do."That is one of the best outcomes of this election!
In 1933 the Church of JCLDS came out strongly against what is now the 21st
amendment. In contrast to this issue, the Church's president came out in
forceful opposition against the proposed amendment.A much more
religiously homogenous Utah voted 99,943 for the proposed amendment and 62,437
against. Utahans effectively expressed their support for state sovereignty on
the issue and Utah became the final ratifying state.Today was no
different, Utahans expressed their support for state sovereignty on the
issue."Teach them correct principles and they'll govern
I'm very glad to see this pass, in spite of the opposition and, in my
opinion, political overreach of the Church. I just worry about what the
"compromise" bill will end up looking like. I think the current version
of the bill is far too restrictive and will make it unnecessarily difficult for
patients to access medicine in the forms that will best help them. I also
don't have confidence in Utah law makers to make good decisions about
medical cannabis laws. I guess we'll see what comes of this. Hopefully
things turn out well in the long-run.
Jasonlivy- so you mean adults making their own decisions, instead of being led
along as in the past? I hand it to the younger generation, the one thing they do
right, is to seek out their own info instead of just saying ok. The church
needs to stay out of politics! I specifically voted for the measure just because
the church was against it.
So I guess when someone speaks the thinking is done did not win out here. This
is a VERY impressive win for the people of Utah! I have been praying for this to
My biggest fear is that this is simply a stepping stone for legalizing
marijuana. My friends in Denver are sick of what this has done to their city
and state. I don't mind those who have a truly medical need being able to
ue it but the pictures of the celebrants at their victory party showed break
dancing and ...anyway, we must hope for the best.
Amazing how people think this was about medical mj. Prop 2 was about getting
recreational mj in Utah. Colorado wishes they could just have medical.
Homelessness and vagrancy are through the roof in Denver and most larger cities
in CO. Watch how fast the narrative is going to change to recreational.
jasonlivy - Orem, UTI agree with you on all counts.Proposition 2 is flawed in many ways. The proposed compromise is a much better
approach. I fear that Utah is going down the same path as my prior
home state of California. The initial approach to medical marijuana access in
California was terribly abused. Of course now recreational marijuana use is
legal there. I could go on, but I won't.
If "lawmakers" are going to draft a comprimis then why do we even have a
Great for medical patients!
Wow...I hope we don’t end up regretting this...It appears that
many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints voted for this
initiative even though the Church came out strongly against how it was currently
written, not that they were against medical marijuana, but the fear of it
becoming a recreational drug under Prop 2. This is what I fear.Even
more, with clear direction from the Church, I especially fear many members are
beginning to discount what the leaders are asking us to do. I believe Prop 2 is
an unfortunate sign of a ‘falling away’ within the state of Utah.
Go Prop 2!