Utah medical marijuana ballot initiative heading toward victory as results roll in

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  • Marsha N. Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2018 1:22 p.m.

    Utah has gradually sacrificed its moral reputation for a "socially acceptable" one. It's tough to explain to my many non-member friends. Don't we already have enough problems with drug abuse, even with medical prescriptions? Why in the world add another drug problem? There are new drugs being introduced every week to help with pain. I just don't buy it that "medical marijuana" is necessary. Believe me it will soon be in the hands of all the kids who are curious and will now be able to use the excuse, "It is medically accepted. So is Aleve and cough syrup. Why not try it?"

  • Hank Pym Draper, UT
    Nov. 8, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    re andyjaggy

    Trusting in this states legislative and executive branches?

    Thanks for the giggles.

  • Bill Shakespeare Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2018 1:46 p.m.

    The church only proclaimed their general view that the law should be more restricting. It didn't tell anyone how to vote. I go to church every week and I voted in favor of the Prop 2. Nothing bad is going to happen to me.

    Also, who cares if the law has bad parts? It has good parts, too. If they want to change the bad parts, why, go right ahead.

    Lastly, conservatives say no to gun control laws because criminals will get guns anyway and lay abiding citizens will be punished. Why can't they say no to pot control laws for the same reasons?

  • rdean92 Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 8, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    I feel the message to the Church is you can guide us with spiritual direction in our lives, but leave medical decisions to doctors and our own medical needs.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    @UteTrog - , AZ

    Most everyone fears God one way or another, however why is it okay for "your" God to be the one that makes the rules?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Nov. 8, 2018 6:42 a.m.

    @Ute Trog;

    "Be careful wishing to be free from God. He may just grant you your request."

    --- Couldn't come soon enough IMO.

  • Darmando Parker, CO
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:31 p.m.

    A number of people are using Colorado as a horrible example and painting a picture totally unrecognizable to people who actually live here. I live 18 miles from downtown Denver. The times I have witnessed consumption of Marijuana in the last year = 0
    Pot consumption by high school and middle school age teens is significantly down since enactment of our very tightly regulated recreational marijuana. Teens have significant problems. Drug addiction is still on the rise. Vaping tobacco products is increasing at an alarming rate here and in UT. Internet addiction social media addiction, and porn addiction are increasing problems.
    Thirty years ago teenage consumption of pot was epidemic, Today alcohol and other hard drugs are a much greater concern.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    I voted against it in good faith that our legislatures and powers that be in this state would come up with a better alternative. In a way I am glad it passed as it will force their hand to actually take action, otherwise I fear that it may have just been put on the side for another 5 years.

  • niedest West jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    Dont what all the fuss is about, this has much to do about nothing, I did vote for this. But real world, those people on the hill, are going to do what they want with this, they have so stated the case. So in others words this was a mean less victory. The bill on this is, I am sure already written, and will pass this upcoming session.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    Well at least there's that. few other results of this election make any sense at all.

  • UteTrog , AZ
    Nov. 7, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encouraged Utah votes, particularly its members, to vote against it. Each person had their choice. It's surprising how many on here are jubilant and joyful in Utah's voters assuming ignoring what the Church has recommended. Some are crying "Looks like traditional power players don’t have as much control over voters as they used to. Good day for democracy" and "it is good to see a growing number of members dismissing the church’s opinion in secular areas."

    Kind of reminds me when Cain killed Able and gloried in the murder saying "I am free; surely the flocks of my brother falleth into my hands."

    Be careful wishing to be free from God. He may just grant you your request.

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    We've let the camel have it's nose in the tent. The intent is good but Prop 2 is very bad. Medical marijuana must be a controlled substance. Control is not allowing people to grow it because they live so many x miles away from a dispensary. It also must have strict medical issues that it can be prescribed for, prop 2 doesn't allow for that.

    This is a bad proposition. I hope it will it continue to be monitored by state leaders and we don't inherit Colorado's problems.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    I am very worried people may derive positive benefits from this drug!

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    As votes "roll" in?
    Nice!

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    Technically we're still disproportionately waiting on Utah County vote so this isn't certain, but it should pass, maybe by a 3-4pt margin instead of 6.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    Looks like traditional power players don’t have as much control over voters as they used to. Good day for democracy

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    @impartial - I know fully of the compromises that have been made, which is exactly why prop2 should not have passed and a new proposition with correct wording should have been placed on a future ballot. Compromise promises are not required to happen but now we're stuck with the flawed implementation that prop2 gives us.

    I've been burned often by 'promises', it's a shame we'll be burned by this.

    As for supporting medical cannabis, my father has severe Parkinson's Disease and would benefit greatly from it. I fully support its use. But prop2 will so badly implement it that I was forced to vote against it.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    @JohnnyTriumph;
    "I agree with other comments that Prop 2 will create Colorado-like problems here in Utah. All we needed to do was legalize use for medical reasons, require a dr prescription, and allow pharmacies to carry it. Yet we chose instead to overly complicate it and increase costs. Looks like we'll be moving from an opiod epidemic to a marijuana epidemic..."

    Do you have any understanding of Prop 2? It will not go into effect-as is. It forces the Utah government to act. They already have a compromise in place. All the scare tactics were not true. Granted, any time the Utah GOP is involved, whatever they pass will be more complicated and convoluted than necessary. Prop 2 is a starting point. There will be no epidemic. That's the same argument that the anti civil rights people said about SSM. That it would ruin the sanctity of marriage. That Utah would become a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah? Remeber? yeah, that didn't happen either.

  • Mayfair Logan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    Impartial7 said:
    " So, that allows you to ignore mormon doctrine?
    D&C 89-10;
    "And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—"

    Stating " all wholesome herbs" in the Word of Wisdom clearly implies that if there are wholesome ones, there are also un-wholesome ones.

    The men I know who smoke pot most every day--and the many unsavory and unhappy results of their pot use--more than prove it is un-wholesome.

  • Prude Henderson, NV
    Nov. 7, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    You'll regret it...

    I live in Nevada and they used the "compassion" tactic to get people warmed up to marijuana. After the medical initiative passed they went right to work on legalizing recreational marijuana. Now I have to I smell it everywhere I go and see teens and adults openly smoking it often. On a beautiful night, it would be nice to hang out on my back porch and enjoy the evening, but now I get to sit outside and smell pot. My sister had to move out of her apartment because neighbors smoked it and since they shared the same A/C system she got to smell it all the time and got headaches. It's ruined my town.

    So Utah, get ready for phase 2 - recreational.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    @mayfair;
    "Mosiah 29:27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you...."

    So, that allows you to ignore mormon doctrine?
    D&C 89-10;
    "And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—"

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    @ERB - Eagle Mountain, UT

    When I first moved to Utah about 25 years ago the complaint was about the homeless and what to do. A few years back more complaints about the homeless and what to do with them. Now all of the sudden Prop 2 is going to bring in hoards of homeless?

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    Not a perfect law, but what did the GOP and the churches aggressive political opposition expect when they have refused for years to have a constructive discussion about the topic. At least this vote will hopefully encourage the governor, legislature, and church to have a real discussion instead of the "our way or the highway" approach. The churches utilization of their law firm and Marty Stephenson (former speaker of the house) as their head lobbyist should concern a lot of people. Why were they absent from the Opioid discussion for so many years when we led the nation in Opioid abuse. People that think that "illegal" marijuana is worse than "legal" prescription drug abuse may want to do a little homework.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    Now lets move to full legalization,

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    I voted against this proposition solely because of the mess it will create. I'm a proponent of making medical cannabis available to those who 1) need it and 2) get a dr prescription for it. All Prop 2 does is introduce a cannabis only distribution network; why do this when we already have pharmacies? State costs for oversight now are increased and for what effect, so we get pot shops popping up all over the place?

    I agree with other comments that Prop 2 will create Colorado-like problems here in Utah. All we needed to do was legalize use for medical reasons, require a dr prescription, and allow pharmacies to carry it. Yet we chose instead to overly complicate it and increase costs. Looks like we'll be moving from an opiod epidemic to a marijuana epidemic...

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:19 a.m.

    The LDS Church doesn't loose often but it did this time.

  • Intuitive Morgan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:17 a.m.

    How is marijuana any different than alcohol? It doesn't harm the body like alcohol does, it doesn't make you violent nor does it impair you like alcohol. It is less "bad" in every way. So, why aren't we going after alcohol? Well, we tried it and it didn't work.

    As a card carrying member of the church, I believe that I rejected Satan's plan and am here to make wise personal choices or pay the price. Having my choices taken away doesn't mean I will be a good person. It just means that I will never know...

    My hope is that marijuana becomes completely unregulated.

    After years of watching Utah embrace the likes of Hatch and now Romney, I am relieved to see Utahns vote for this.

  • kerrielou Kennewick, WA
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    @Bob Tanner & @ReadMineFirst

    Colorado is not a good comparison, especially Denver. Denver had a "medical dispensary" on every corner years before they legalized it for recreational use. It was already disgusting.

    I live in Washington state and it is nothing like that here. I've never seen or smelled it being smoked. There are a very limited number of dispensaries, so much so that I've never even seen one. There is only one in our county and it's way out of the way.

    Teen use has not gone up, in fact in some demographics it's gone down, probably due to increased funding in drug awareness education. Traffic accidents have gone up, but only very slightly.

    The amount of THC allowed is limited in the dispensaries as well. This means recreational enthusiasts are still getting it from their dealers. The dispensaries cater more to medical use and occasional recreational users.

    In some ways I think going recreational was better. WA decided to give local municipalities a lot of power to limit, even ban dispensaries. Creating hardships on medical availability or trying to tax it paves the way for law suits. Here at least, I feel the drug awareness funding totally worth it.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    @ERB
    You blame the homelessness in Denver on the marijuana? So where does Salt Lake get their homeless then? You are connecting dots that aren't there my friend.

    The drugs that cause major problems are opiates because they are so addictive. Marijuana is not habit forming. You can't overdose. You are conflating the two when they are really quite different.

  • Susan Storm Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:05 a.m.

    Marijuana is just a drug, like any other.

    Should we ban all painkillers because of abuse? Of course not. Even the most dangerous drugs also have practical uses. I'm glad Utah is thinking about patients who need relief and not about inflated fears.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    ReadMineFirst claims: "This will inevitably lead to legalization. It happened here in Colorado. And what did we get? Increase in fatal car accidents, children dying from accidental ingestion"

    Except your being deceitful, one child may have died and that's being debated, and there appears to be no evidence that is the cause, but still one, Not "Children" plural.

    Fear and Loathing is all the anti-cannabis folks have got, they relied on ignorance for a long time, no more.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    @And_im_a_mormon - Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:55 p.m.
    If "lawmakers" are going to draft a comprimis then why do we even have a vote."

    Why? To force the Legislature to act. If Prop 2 failed, they could've gone back on their word and done nothing-again. Remember when CMV dropped their initiative for a Legislative compromise? Then reneged? We're still in court over that. Prop 2 the legislature can't back out again on MMJ.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:31 a.m.

    I heard several comments from my Utah friends who our members of the faith formerly known as Mormon. Some feel uncomfortable with the church weighing in on issues that seem outside of the religious realm. Clearly there will always be “lock step” members who literally look to their church leaders for how to view these issues. But it is good to see a growing number of members dismissing the church’s opinion in secular areas.

  • CETCollective West Valley City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    Good news for Utah but there are issues.
    Utah has passed Prop 2 and now the legislature is looking at ways to limit this initiative to the point where no one in need of medical cannabis will be able to drop their neighborhood black market dealers any time soon. Just so you-all know, there are already mass quantities of cannabis products available from many black market sources. Why would you go to a dispensary in Utah, Nevada or anywhere else if it's going to be more expensive and more restrictions are being put on it than you can get from a neighborhood dealer?
    If black market vape cartridges are $40/gram and Utah medical pot is more than that, or if its going to be difficult to get a medical card then this is all just political, it won't change anything.
    I get a kick out of these doom and gloom posts from hardcore opponents of cannabis in any form about how pot ruined Denver. This is absolutely a lie, mere propaganda. In fact my friends who live in Denver could not be happier about legal cannabis. Their economy is booming, tax dollars are rolling in to fund schools, law enforcement and many other needs in Colorado.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:22 a.m.

    Very pleased to see all the hysteria about this issue go up in a big cloud of smoke.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:19 a.m.

    @CaliCougar

    "Proposition 2 is flawed in many ways. The proposed compromise is a much better approach. "

    It it wasn't for Proposition 2 being on the ballot, the so-called "compromise" wouldn't have even been considered. Sometimes it takes a spark to light a fire.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    Great news for freedom and liberty.

    Man should be able to cure himself with the plants God created, not the addicting chemical extracts that Big Pharm bribes our representatives and doctors to prescribe.

    I see the fear and loathing is still being peddled by the opponents, not based on facts, just repeated falsehoods about non-existent dangers and myth.

    The minute a parent of a sick child sees the miracle that this plant can be, when all the prayers in the world didn't stop the seizures, they will not accept the idea that they should vote against it.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 7, 2018 6:41 a.m.

    Deeeeyuuuude! Lahk—-awesome!

  • brulephd Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 6:38 a.m.

    Nice work Utahns! Flexing our civic muscles. Now stay tuned and see how much the legislature and Senate of Utah respect your voice. Hint...They don't! Good luck getting re-elected if the will of the people gets gutted 45 days after we spoke and DIRECTED you!

  • Just a Joe Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    Even though the church was against this proposition, I voted for it. The church encourages us to seek truth by our selves. That is why we have our agency

  • Mayfair Logan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 5:57 a.m.

    jasonlivy, CaliCougar agree with you both.

    If the Church leaders had said nothing for or against, I can see members making their own best guess of which way to vote (especially since many of them have been swayed and duped by all the 'poor suffering people' moaning of how it is supposedly for helping 'sick people')....

    But its very strange to think members of the Church can't see the writing on the wall--- that this is just 'the head of the camel in the tent' efforts on the way to attempting legalizing recreational use.

    And even MORE staggering-- as jasonlivy pointed out-- that members would hear their top leaders strongly come out on this issue--and then discount that, blow it off and vote against what they have clearly said.

    Mosiah 29:27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you...."

  • ReadMineFirst Ft. Collins, CO
    Nov. 7, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    Sad day for Utah. This will inevitably lead to legalization. It happened here in Colorado. And what did we get? Increase in fatal car accidents, children dying from accidental ingestion, burn victims, increased homelessness...the list goes on. If you're interested, here's a great article: The Implications of Marijuana Legalization in Colorado
    Andrew A. Monte, MD, Richard D. Zane, MD, and Kennon J. Heard, MD, PhD

  • rhodger Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 5:42 a.m.

    "A falling away"? May the saints preserve us!

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 5:28 a.m.

    "Even more, with clear direction from the Church, I especially fear many members are beginning to discount what the leaders are asking us to do."

    That is one of the best outcomes of this election!

  • I.M. Fletch Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 3:57 a.m.

    In 1933 the Church of JCLDS came out strongly against what is now the 21st amendment. In contrast to this issue, the Church's president came out in forceful opposition against the proposed amendment.

    A much more religiously homogenous Utah voted 99,943 for the proposed amendment and 62,437 against. Utahans effectively expressed their support for state sovereignty on the issue and Utah became the final ratifying state.

    Today was no different, Utahans expressed their support for state sovereignty on the issue.

    "Teach them correct principles and they'll govern themselves."

  • faazshift Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 2:51 a.m.

    I'm very glad to see this pass, in spite of the opposition and, in my opinion, political overreach of the Church. I just worry about what the "compromise" bill will end up looking like. I think the current version of the bill is far too restrictive and will make it unnecessarily difficult for patients to access medicine in the forms that will best help them. I also don't have confidence in Utah law makers to make good decisions about medical cannabis laws. I guess we'll see what comes of this. Hopefully things turn out well in the long-run.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2018 1:22 a.m.

    Jasonlivy- so you mean adults making their own decisions, instead of being led along as in the past? I hand it to the younger generation, the one thing they do right, is to seek out their own info instead of just saying ok. The church needs to stay out of politics! I specifically voted for the measure just because the church was against it.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 12:42 a.m.

    So I guess when someone speaks the thinking is done did not win out here. This is a VERY impressive win for the people of Utah! I have been praying for this to pass.

  • Bob Tanner Price, UT
    Nov. 7, 2018 12:27 a.m.

    My biggest fear is that this is simply a stepping stone for legalizing marijuana. My friends in Denver are sick of what this has done to their city and state. I don't mind those who have a truly medical need being able to ue it but the pictures of the celebrants at their victory party showed break dancing and ...anyway, we must hope for the best.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 11:22 p.m.

    Amazing how people think this was about medical mj. Prop 2 was about getting recreational mj in Utah. Colorado wishes they could just have medical. Homelessness and vagrancy are through the roof in Denver and most larger cities in CO. Watch how fast the narrative is going to change to recreational.

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 9:03 p.m.

    jasonlivy - Orem, UT

    I agree with you on all counts.

    Proposition 2 is flawed in many ways. The proposed compromise is a much better approach.

    I fear that Utah is going down the same path as my prior home state of California. The initial approach to medical marijuana access in California was terribly abused. Of course now recreational marijuana use is legal there. I could go on, but I won't.

  • And_im_a_mormon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:55 p.m.

    If "lawmakers" are going to draft a comprimis then why do we even have a vote.

  • rdean92 Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:27 p.m.

    Great for medical patients!

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:24 p.m.

    Wow...I hope we don’t end up regretting this...

    It appears that many members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints voted for this initiative even though the Church came out strongly against how it was currently written, not that they were against medical marijuana, but the fear of it becoming a recreational drug under Prop 2. This is what I fear.

    Even more, with clear direction from the Church, I especially fear many members are beginning to discount what the leaders are asking us to do. I believe Prop 2 is an unfortunate sign of a ‘falling away’ within the state of Utah.

  • brainoncapitalist Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:18 p.m.

    Go Prop 2!