BYU football notes: Cougars will be without key part of secondary for rest of the season; Jeff Grimes moves to the booth

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  • Frogman Olympia, WA
    Nov. 6, 2018 11:29 p.m.

    The admissions standards are all too impossible these days at the Y. They need to go back to the practice when they were a constant fixture in the top 25 of dropping those admission standards for athletes just a little bit.
    It's how Lou Holtz got Notre Dame to their championships. Not saying the Y will ever get that chance again but the average GPA of students accepted into the Y are ridiculous if you want the type of athletes that everyone else is getting.
    It's not going to destroy the school if you get a couple guys in who are pulling a 3.0 instead of a 3.8 and they actually help you win.
    Drop the grade standards for sports a little, not a lot, and get some better athletes and those JuCo prospects who can come in ready to put in a solid two years.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Nov. 6, 2018 7:37 p.m.

    Offensive coordinators belong in the box. I think it is always a mistake for them to be on the field with the associated minor distractions. They should be directing the game from a climate controlled box with ready access to statistics and replays without the distractions of the sidelines. Standing on the sideline for an entire game is exhausting and emotionally draining. Add in the potential for bad weather, and it is just a mistake. They need to be comfortable throughout so that they are at the top of their game for the final few minutes.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 6, 2018 6:02 p.m.

    Sitake—"He's a guy who has never really been in the box before as a coach and I think it gives him a different view for all of it ... I think it worked out really well."

    Lol. Am I the only one who found the ironic humor in that statement?

    RealUte/BYU nutrition expert—how could you possibly know what each of the BYU football players are eating?

  • Atkins Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 5:37 p.m.

    @London Josh

    "Snarky" maybe, but he's basically correct. Grimes runs jet sweep out of his double wing or bunch formation to bring defenders into the box and leave the perimeter clean. Then you fake the sweep and run C gap power to the other side. If as with Zona and Wisc you're undisciplined, you move with the motion and the C gap gets blown wide open. But, it's a limited menu, and once any good DC has seen it, it's not that hard to defend. Several straightforward things you can do. Fact is, Grimes' offense doesn't adapt/adjust well...as Hoge Sr. put it, "Little League." I don't say it to knock BYU; it's just what it is.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Nov. 6, 2018 2:12 p.m.

    This horse is dead, but I'm going to kick it one more time...I find it incredible...literally without credibility... that five O linemen, averaging 300+lbs., with the availability of a 245 lb fullback (El Bakri) can't score from two yards out. (Oh...El Bakri wasn't in?? oh...) Boise State is a good team, but they are NOT immovable objects. Thoroughly mystified and disgusted at this lack of performance; vacuous coachthink past the point of ridiculous, when the game is on the line. The attempt was clueless, and failed to even use BYU's best players for the situation, let alone use them effectively. Wilson's youth is no excuse; he should have been TOLD what to do. Boise just pounded it in with several attempts for their first score. BYU has the horses to do that; just not the will or patience. BYU doesn't have dumb coaches, but they seem to panic and overthink themselves into failure. This was an inexcusable minute, n o matter what their excuses.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Nov. 6, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Stringer,

    Well aren't we snarky today. The jet sweep can be a one trick pony, or byu can run it 3 to 5 times a game to soften up the defense by forcing them to cover it.

    Unless they are going to play 15 guys on defense if you spread out the defense both North and South as well as east to west it allows runs up the soft middle.

    BYU's lack of a running game is ugly right now and the general lack of speed should force BYU to utilize what's been basically the only speedy aspect it's shown all season from time to time.

    Or we can be rediculous and assume that I meant each play should be a jet sweep alternating with a fly sweep or end around or reverse - fantastic idea, right?

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 11:42 a.m.

    Banished to the booth; that'll fix everything.

    London Josh, BYU-P didn't forget how to run the jet sweep; everyone figured out your "one trick pony."

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    @ real Ute. Warner played corner all last year and did an ok job. I don't believe he got a 4 star rating based on his brother. Nice speculation on your part. However, I wonder who that is that has been playing safety with the name Warner on his jersey? Any guesses on that?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    Wayne Rout

    “Moving off the field is one of the first signs of conflicts and weakness in coaching. We do not have an experienced OC so rather than standing near the head coach going off the field is the choice. It won't help, but it will divert attention for a bit. It never works.”

    That’s a completely bogus claim.

    The majority of OC’s call plays from the booth because it’s easier to see the entire field from there.

    Grimes will still be able to communicate with Sitake through their headsets just as if they were standing next to each other.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Nov. 6, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    @wallyball,

    Troy Warner sits on the bench because he cannot play a lick. His 4* ranking was because of Fred.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    How about moving Warner over. He hasn't done much at safety. At least there is some decent depth at safety to replace him.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Nov. 6, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    In my "professional" opinion, being the gambler I've always been, it is very obvious that BYU has few even "okay" skill players. They also don't eat well, take forever to recover from slight injuries and both lines aren't effective. It is what it is folks. I hope BYU comes prepared and ready for UMass. That team can put up some points, unlike BYU.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    @london_josh - Lincoln, CA

    I actually agree with 100% of what you shared here.

    BYU is better than last yr. and while 6-6 this season will be what was expected, it gives BYU a bowl game and a little more experience.

    BYU is young. With new offensive coaches. They will get much better. They have been competitive in most every game too. Regardless of opponent.

    It may not feel like it, but it seems BYU has turned a corner. I expect the rivalry game to be a hard fought game at RES.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Nov. 6, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    A common scenario for BYU. No adequate depth of talent to replace injured starters. Mid majors forever.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 6, 2018 5:34 a.m.

    Wish they had asked me about the running back situation, but I read in this paper how great they were. Moving off the field is one of the first signs of conflicts and weakness in coaching. We do not have an experienced OC so rather than standing near the head coach going off the field is the choice. It won't help, but it will divert attention for a bit. It never works.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2018 5:31 a.m.

    Wait, Grimes was in the booth during that debacle at Boise? If that is the case, it didn't work. He needs to be home, watching it on the TV.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Nov. 6, 2018 1:12 a.m.

    BYU needs red zone packages - but they need to be things that might actually work.

    Some play calling has been a bit odd. Like Wilson will drive down and get a 3rd and short and we go for a really deep ball that's more like a 2nd and short play - or the obvious run play allowing the D to stack against a run.

    the other odd thing is the limitations on play calling. BYU was jet-sweep crazy to start, then we forgot how. Trick plays have largely gone well for BYU (don't use Jaren Hall as a QB, bring him in as a RB like the Saints do with Taysom, having Wilson and Hall on the field at the same time is impossible to predict for a defense). The TEs have been stellar - use the O to spread the D then attack at the vulnerable areas until they adjust, then attack the adjustment.

    The good news is that Grimes is new in this position and should improve next year. and Wilson is new in his position and should improve next year, as are half of the contributers on the BYU team. I'll take 6 wins with a better trajectory for next year!

    As for Wilcox, sorry to see his season end, he's been a solid player in his position, always sad to see a season cut short by injury.

  • Atkins Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2018 5:38 p.m.

    Credit Sitake for recognizing the need for a good RB. Odds are long finding one, but it should be priority one. And, moving to the booth can't hurt the play calling and could help Grimes realize how ancient his pass game concepts are, if he hasn't figured that out already, and prompt an update in the off season.