Sometimes the preaching of the Gospel offends some who do not want to live
according to some of the doctrines of the Gospel. Undoubtedly, that is why Jesus
Christ was crucified. Christ loves even sinners, but knows that by forsaking
sins these can know greater joy; so He preaches the Gospel for the benefit of
We have seen great discord and confusion in the Catholic Church as Pope Francis
wades into political/social justice issues.LDS leaders must proceed
with caution.Perhaps holy men of all stripes do it to be more
relevant to the "nons" and Gen Y folks. They don't seem to embrace
church like their parents did. There is a fine line between Christian living and
activism sometimes.Good communication is what's needed, and it
is sorely lacking. It would be great to have the prophets address immigration
head-on in conference talks, but they don't. Instead they talk about not
liking fences, signing alliance letters with other churches and appearing at the
signing on legislation.A clear voice is called for...if that's
God's will.Historically, groups like the Sanhedrin evolved to
take on political power...to their detriment.
@stretchy I agree with your comment and commend you for your politeness. :-) As
others have said, it is good to be able to discuss difficult topics and exchange
ideas without being disagreeable with each other. We are few in number (the
harvest is great and the laborers are few) with plenty of enemies, we should try
to be united with each other.
Let us never confuse disagreement (even strong disagreement) as allowed by the
1st Amendment with inciting violence. Saying something is evil may
be uncomfortable to listen to. But that is absolutely not the same as
violence.We appear to be "advancing" to a world where saying
anything not fully supportive of something is considered by some to be a type of
violence.It is simply not true. And the negative outcome for our
liberties will be significant. Without a robust 1st Amendment, our nation is
@ stretchy - "RanchHand, I have never heard President Oaks or Elder
Holland say any such thing that you are stating"Stretchy, On the
last Conference Elder Oak gave a talk entitled "Truth and the Plan".In that talk, he talks about Satan and how he distorts the truth and confuses
people. Some of the confuse people are those who do not conform to his
image "of maleness and femaleness", he stated:"Our knowledge
of God’s revealed plan of salvation requires us to oppose current social
and legal pressures to retreat from traditional marriage and to make changes
that confuse or alter gender or homogenize the differences between men and
women. "I think Elder has the right to express his opinion and
teach them to his church. By the same principle, RanchHand, has the right to
consider that kind of statement as an insidious attack on those who see the
definition of gender and families more fluidly than the church.Elder Oak is literally saying that those of us who have different types of
families, or love people of the same gender are being guided by Satan. That can
be considered as psychological violence. What do you think?
@stretchy;Apparently you don't feel that attacking
someone's marriage as "invalid" or calls to fight against their
having the same legal protections as you doesn't constitution mental and
emotional violence; I beg to differ.Apparently you haven't read
particular talks by BKP (I never mentioned Holland) - he congratulated a
missionary for punching his companion - and advocated that "someone had to
do it". The truth is out there (X Files).
RanchHand,Are you one of those anti-Mormons who make things up out
of whole cloth? People who are looking for another reason to give the Church a
bad name will pick it up and repeat it over and over until everyone of them
believes it's true.And I heard Pres. Oaks speak in Conference
and he said no such thing. I agree with stretchy. I would appreciate referrences
so I can see it for myself.
I agree with President Nelson in condemning violence.The only thing I
disagree with is the idea that we must all agree with each other. We can
disagree without violence. We can have different opinions without insulting each
other.We can love each other without having to rubber stamp what the other
person thinks.But we have to work on it.We aren't sheep. I know
a few things about sheep. They can fatally stupid. They get themselves into
idiotic predicaments. Domesticated sheep. The wild ones are smarter.Let's not be sheep.But let us disagree without violence and find
common ground wherever we can.We aren't sheep. We will have our own
thoughts, opinions, and different life experience, which will influence how we
see things.That's okay. God gave us a brain. He wants us to use it.
He wants us to think about things and ask questions. He wants us to go.
deep. We aren't going to necessarily come to the same conclusions, even if
we pray about it.That's okay too.Let's not be hard-headed
or hard-hearted with each other.We can debate issues without calling each
other names.It isn't easy to disagree without rancor. But it's a
choice we can make.
@RanchHand, I have never heard President Oaks or Elder Holland say any such
thing that you are stating that they have. Give me sources and give me quotes.
Otherwise it is a very disingenuous thing that you say.
@rhodger: From what I read in the article, it sounds President Nelson did
exactly that ("condemn all violence including the gun violence currently
ravaging the country"). From the article: "Hatred, violence, murder: All
are against the teachings of the Lord." He also called mass shootings "a
great offense to God."
Good to condemn religious violence (we just saw some in Pittsburg) but why not
condemn all violence including the gun violence currently ravaging the country?
There have been about 280 mass shootings this year alone in the country.
Our church needs to remember it's roots; to avoid the church of Apostasy!
It is so wonderful how President Nelson has opened new doors in Brazil! I loved
his answers in the interview!
Perhaps he should stop the violence conducted by the LDS church against people
who aren't LDS? Dallin Oaks actually called for members to conduct
violence (mental, not physical) against a certain segment of the population
during his last conference talk. Boyd Packer actually encouraged missionaries
to attack certain of their companions.
Wonderful to read of this interview, and wonderful to hear what President Nelson