the country i worry about religious freedoms is this one. the good ol'
@Light and Liberty;"Are you referring to the LDS church's
stand on same-sex marriage?"-- Perhaps he is. Your church is
ACTIVELY working to deny religious freedom to LGBT citizens and the Churches
that support SSM. If your church doesn't want to approve SSM in their
church, fine, but they have absolutely NO RIGHT to violate the civil rights and
religious rights of LGBT people by violating their right to marry in the civil
arena (or the religious arena where their churches support it).
"1000's of years of custom" - for some variations, you completely
ignore the FACT that SSM was practiced 1000's of years ago by others.Keep your religion out of government.
My opinions: I believe the freedom of thought is one of the most
important things we can stand for. My wish is for all of humanity to have this
freedom. I believe the USA can nudge countries in that direction.I
believe the freedom of religion falls under that umbrella and must be
defended...I believe religion itself and all religious* thinking is
poison to the human mind must be challenged using better ideas, pointing out the
fallacies used by religion, and shown to be the fraud that it is. But that
religion must never be denied by the force of laws. It should die the indignant
death of all bad ideas. By ridicule, laughter, and the constant pointing out
that the emperor has no clothes. *Includes magical/spiritual hokum.
skeptic - Phoenix, AZ---The world problem is not freedom of religion
it is freedom from religion that needs protected.---The irony
of having a 'freedom of religion' ambassador, from a country, which
often couches religious practice in language that would seem to be
'nonreligious'. While Prohibition was repealed, there are
a number of places where it still illegal to sell alcohol, based on
predominantly religious considerations, despite a secondary appeal to the social
ills of excessive drinking.Then there are laws governing business
activities on Sunday, specifically, justified by some as 'well everyone
needs a day off'. Yet, the choice of Sunday is based on a particular
religion's standard holy day. This of course affects believers in in other
holy days in a negative way.And of course in the present time the
LGBT community is the target of religious based views masquerading as secular
law. Other than the rule of fiat, there is almost no non religious argument for
disenfranchising those who are LGBT, or not providing various state recognized
relationships.One famous man said, "Remove the beam from your
own eye, before removing the speck from another's."(paraphrased).
The superficial veneer of tolerance and "unity" that this so-called
ambassador is spreading over these divisive religious issues almost seems
dangerous. It hides a deep ambition for power and dominion that most religions
aspire to impose on the world. These aspirations are scriptural, articulated
repeatedly in the sacred books to which adherents look for inspiration and
guidance for their world-views.Most religions and religious leaders
are smart enough to know they will not "convert" the world to their
beliefs, which would then set the stage for a world population of believers to
"elect" them into positions of political and ecclesiastical power. For
example, Mormonism, one of the fastest growing religions in the US, has taken
almost 200 years to get membership to 16 million. But the world population grows
by (net) 76.1 million each year!Instead, they aspire for their
churches to obtain wealth, power, and notoriety in the hope that someday they
will achieve critical mass, "go viral", and "take over the
world". The wealthy and powerful of various religions and political groups
are more closely affiliated with one another than they are with their
Delasale: "Religious freedom is not the freedom to broadly discriminate
based on race or gender despite what some religious leaders would have you
believe, and we should strongly oppose this type of activity in whatever form it
takes." Could you be more specific? Are you referring to the LDS
church's stand on same-sex marriage? If so, how is that discriminatory?
This is their religious belief, actually supported by thousands of years of
custom, etc., regardless of religious belief. If you want to call that
discriminatory, where does it end? Depending on who is in power, do we imprison
gays or anyone entering a same sex marriage or a religion that believes that
same-sex marriage is wrong? If it isn't obvious, then having someone
willing to put someone in prison for holding to their religious beliefs is
scary, as opposed to allowing someone to enter into a same-sex marriage even if
there are those who express a religious opinion opposing such.
@UteMiguel - Go Utes, CAOct. 15, 2018 12:14 p.m.To the people who
say this role is unnecessary, look at the lack of religious freedoms in some
countries, such as China and North Korea. Billions of people living under
oppression."Yeah, and what is our Religious Ambassador going to
do about it? Nothing. They don't care about what we think of their
religious policies. But wait. Trump is chummy with both N.Korea and China's
leaders. If they value Trump, he could place a couple of phone calls and change
their policy tomorrow. Right? This Ambassador department is a yuge waste of tax
There are two types of religious freedom, the type that people fight for in the
US, which is largely unnecessary and already guaranteed and really just a way
for the religious to discriminate against those with differing beliefs, and the
type that people hope for in many countries around the world where freedom to
worship is prohibited. I'm all for supporting the latter but we need to be
careful about conflating the two because they are very different and sometimes
funds allocated for one cause can find their way to supporting another.
Religious freedom is not the freedom to broadly discriminate based on race or
gender despite what some religious leaders would have you believe, and we should
strongly oppose this type of activity in whatever form it takes.
To the people who say this role is unnecessary, look at the lack of religious
freedoms in some countries, such as China and North Korea. Billions of people
living under oppression. Don’t just dismiss it as unimportant. And
please don’t conflate it with the US debate about separation of church and
state. We should all be grateful we are allowed to have such a debate.
The biggest threat is when religious people feel that just because someone
believes differently than they do, it becomes a so-called threat. Giving
certain segments of society the same civil right isn't a threat to
anyone's religion but that's how the religious people push it.
How about we just keep religion out of government? How about we stop meddling in
other countries religions and what they do? The way some religions, in the US,
treat gay people and their kids, we sure aren't a beacon to other
countries. We don't need a "religious freedom ambassador".
The world problem is not freedom of religion it is freedom from religion that
needs protected. Especially freedom from the politics of organized religion and
the exploits of the large international corporate churches that dull the senses
of man, dampen his spirit and purloin his purse.