This is insane. Marjajuna is a Safe, Non Addictive plant, that has tremendous
medical benefits. As of today Marjajuna is legal in Canada.
"Ask people who lived there before 2016."Ask us what?If it's a big deal? It isn't. No one is out there pushing
marijuana on every Tom, Dick and Harry. People who want it can get it sure, and
now the cops won't hustle you into prison because you dared haev an illegal
herb on you. So overall no big thing, but minor improvements in liberty and
criminal justice.The bigger problem with public safety and kids is
still alcohol and cigarettes.
@2 bits;Anyone who wants it can already get it. So, your worries
are not really legitimate; if it wasn't already readily available, you
might have a point; but it is so you don't.
I'm personally not a user of marijuana. However, I'm of the opinion
marijuana should be legalized entirely with few restrictions for adults. Prop 2
is a step in the right direction, so it will get my vote, even though I have
reservations about its implementation. The scare tactics of
marijuana are exaggerated, and prescription pain meds are far more harmful and
addictive than marijuana is. I would argue the pharmaceutical companies
supplying opioids are more dangerous to our populace. "Reefer madness"
is not a real thing.
Guest opinion: Utah Medical Cannabis Act is safer, more responsible than Prop
2-------- Sorry, The legislature has kicked this
can down the street for decades.Year and years of broken promises to
address this in the NEXT session.Too little, Too Late.Prop 2 - YESThen -- If you want it changed, you can
nonceleb,Never said anything's equivalent.The point I
made was it doesn't matter if you get recreational-use or not. Once you
get medical-use anybody who wants to can use it. Getting a medical use card is
literally as easy as asking for one. Anybody who wants one can get one.Medical-cannabis was made legal in CA in 1996. Recreational-use was
passed later (2016). Before Recreational-use was legal (2016) you just needed
a medical use card to get it. And anybody (and I mean anybody, with no
illness) could get a medical-use card. Everybody in CA knew how easy it was to
get a medical-use card.So once you have Medical-use passed... it
doesn't really matter if you pass recreational-use or not. Because
ANYBODY who wants to use can get a card.That's the point.I'm not saying we will pass recreational-use down the road (but we
probably will). I'm saying it doesn't matter if we pass
recreational-use (once medical-use is legal). Because literally anybody who
wants a medical-use card can get one.At least that's what
happened in CA. Ask people who lived there before 2016.What
happened in CA is a "Fact" at this point. What happens in UT is TBD.
But not CA.
@2bits This is about medical marijuana in Utah, not recreational
marijuana. They are very different in requirements, production, amounts, and
distribution. Prop 2 requires a recommendation from a physician who can write
prescriptions for medical marijuana. So does California. The California law on
medical marijuana requires a "written or oral recommendation" from a
physician that the patient would benefit from the medical use of marijuana. You
might argue that it is now moot with recreational marijuana being legal in
California, but requirements are different for the two. You should not suggest
Utah would be like California, when only medical marijuana is the question in
Utah. I would suggest you get the facts before you post a false equivalency.
nonceleb -12:10RE: "It would require a doctor's recommendation to
get a medical marijuana card"...---Ask anybody who lived in
California when they passed their "Medical Marijuana" bill (funded by
the same group). Ask what happened there.People opened offices
where you could go to get your medical marijuana card. They were handing them
out like condoms. You didn't even need to see the doctor. Just make an
appointment, tell them why you want the card (any bogus reason would do) and
pick up your card. Everybody who wanted a medical marijuana card in CA had
one. Whether they were sick or not.That's why it was
no-big-deal to pass recreational marijuana later. Everybody was already using
it recreationalally (using their bogus medical card) and everybody in CA knew
it. So they just did away with the need to get the card and make these doctors
giving them away rich.Same thing will happen here. Less people may
ask for cards in Utah, but anybody who wants one will be able to get one. No
doubt about that.And anybody who Assumes experimenting with
Marijuana to fix your mood doesn't lead eventually to experimenting with
To the National Campaign people pushing this agenda it's not about your
grandma who needs cannabis oil extracts for an illness. They don't even
know your grandma.For them (the major funding for this campaign)
it's about something else. It's not about sick people, it's
about being able to legally ship their product through Utah. And sell it in
Utah.Just last week there was a shipment of weed (and other drugs)
confiscated in Utah. I-70 us a major drug route to the East. So it I-80.
Many traffic stops on these highways eventually turn into drug busts.The people running this campaign don't care about sick people in Utah.
They want their product to be able to flow legally through Utah.These national campaign companies don't even know if there's anybody
sick in Utah who needs Cannabis.Google "The money behind
Utah's medical marijuana initiative"...---"A Deseret
News review of the ballot initiative's campaign finance records and
interviews with donors found that influential national lobbying group
"Marijuana Policy Project" has had a major financial hand in supporting
the signature push"...What does this national group know about
If you truly think the legislature is going to pass that anyway then you
shouldn't care if we want to vote yes.
Utah's legislature and fellow Goodfellas are working to find a way to
control a Marijuana production and sales chain that is designed to benefit their
select, insiders, nominees, and cutouts. They will be favored sons and daughters
... Goodfellas ... controlling the "Pot" processes throughout. While working a securities market manipulation criminal case in Salt
Lake when Utah was characterized as the Stock Fraud capital of the Nation, a
wise old broker once told me, "Sonny ... don't bet on the horse. Bet on
the rider." Meaning of course that I should know who the sleazy traders were
and then I could find and follow the fraud. Well ... I follow many of the riders
in Utah and I'm betting they are setting up a Billion Dollar Pot scam. See
Forbes "Marijuana's $40 Billion Dollar Green Rush"Utah's Goodfellas will control the following processes through insiders,
nominees, and cutouts:Medical Cannabis Cultivation FacilitiesMedical Cannabis Processing FacilitiesIndependent Cannabis Testing
LaboratoriesMedical Cannabis PharmaciesState Central Fill Medical
Cannabis PharmacyQualified Medical ProvidersMedical Cannabis
Inventory Control SystemTransportation of Medical Cannabis
Prop. 2 is what happens when the Legislature does nothing. Vote yes on 2 and get
the ball rolling.
I don't really see a compelling reason against Prop. 2. If the powers that
be drag their feet long enough and keep ignoring the will of the people, this is
what happens. All I've heard is moralizing and pontification against Prop.
2. I have not seen legitimate research against it. There have been
laboratories in other states and they are doing fine. I'm sorry, but maybe
it is time to back off state control of our lives.
"Rather than rushing to vote for Proposition 2, which puts patients, youths
and children at risk"At risk of what? They never say because
this is just simplistic pearl-clutching. "However, the marijuana
proposed in Utah’s Proposition 2 is not “medical.” Doctors
would not prescribe it. Pharmacies would not dispense it. Purchases would occur
at dispensaries, where budtenders (with or without any medical training) would
recommend marijuana-infused cookies, candy, sodas or other marijuana products,
including free samples."So what? What business is it of yours
how other people take it?"Proposition 2 puts patients —
and all Utahns — at risk for more problems. In short, today’s relief
may inadvertently cause tomorrow’s suffering."Vague gloom
and doom."After Colorado commercialized medical marijuana in
2009 ... emergency room visits increased by 57 percent and marijuana-related
hospitalizations increased by 66 percent." Intentionally
ignoring facts is lying. Reporting changed, nothing else. Even when recreational
passed...except the millions of tax dollars taken in."Laura
Bunker and Rose Marie Murray are the co-founders of Family Policy
Resource."Now I see. Vote yes!
"Rather than rushing to vote for Proposition 2, which puts patients, youths
and children at risk..."No it doesn't. What is
at risk is nothing happening if prop 2 doesn't pass. If it
passes we are guaranteed the legislature will act. Vote yes.
Never trust the GOP led legislature, or Governor to follow up with any
"compromise". Saw that with Count My Vote. People are not as dumb as
the opponents of this bill want people to believe. Fool me once?Pass Prop 2. Vote Yes! Then let's see what the do nothing legislature
then has to do. Compromise is a dirty word for the GOP. They use
it, and then back track like they did with Count My Vote. Let's not be
fooled yet again by their antics.
"Caring Utah voters need only be “patient” just a little
longer."We've been patient long enough..Vote
Yes on prop 2
Stop the lying and delaying!Children and innocent people are
suffering!Vote Yes on Prop 2!The time for debate is
over. The time for action is now! Ease the pain of these thousands of innocent
people!Don't let best be the enemy of better. Pass Prop 2, then
work out the nuanced details later. Act NOW to end suffering!
Without strict controls, other states have gotten defacto legalization because
the prescription can be had by nearly anyone complaining of anything.
Ms. Bunker and Murray, let's discuss the merits of the two options, but
let's not make things up or lie. You say prop 2 is not medical, but a card
can only be issued by a medical provider with rights to write prescriptions.
They can't advertise that they do so and are limited how many patients they
can give a card. The products sold have to be labeled with the strength of
medicine in it. There are restrictions against mimicking candy products for
edibles. There are limits that would preclude growing your own plants in
residential areas, near community locations, and within 100 miles of a
dispensary. So few people will qualify to grow their own that it isn't
worth talking about. Who cares if someone gives out a free sample? It would
still have to be only to someone with a card. And you've never been given a
free sample of a prescription in a doctor's office? Ask 100 people, and 95
of them will tell you they or someone they know have gotten a prescription
sample for free. The lies in this letter astound me.
Don't fall for this bogus draft bill. And Prop 2 not requiring a
prescription is misleading, as it would require a doctor's recommendation
to get a medical marijuana card. As for this draft, I do not trust the
legislature. The only reason it has been put forward is fear over Prop 2
passing. In the past the legislature punted on medical marijuana more than once.
One legislator even resigned and moved out of state because of the legislature
rejecting it. Even if they do try to pass a medical marijuana bill, it will be
so watered down it will be ineffective, and the product allowed will have far
fewer, if any, real, proven health benefits that whole plant marijuana has.
First, Family Policy Research is a group of women from BYU, that should be
mentioned when they are parroting "church" statements. Next,"Rather than rushing to vote for Proposition 2, which puts patients,
youths and children at risk, Utah voters should support the safer, more
responsible medical marijuana bill before the Utah Legislature."Scare tactics aren't working. The reason Prop 2 came about is due to the
governor and the legislature's failure to act. They won't do anything
with regard to cannabis without being forced to. There is language in Prop 2
that allows the legislature to come up with their own proposal and tweak Prop 2.
Prop 2 goes into effect if the legislature continues to do nothing. Prop 2
doesn't go into effect on Nov. 7 like opponents are trying to make people
believe. Prop 2 opponents are a little short on honesty in their messages.