BYU could start freshman QB Zach Wilson Saturday against Hawaii

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  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Oct. 12, 2018 3:29 p.m.

    @AzzUte

    "I’ve never previously in my decades of CFB fandom witnessed a fanbase so obsessed w/margin-of-defeat moral victories.....Mind-boggling."

    I’m never previously in my decades of CFB fandom witnessed a fanbase that is so arrogant yet insecure... mind-boggling

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 12, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    @Andre

    Count me as a member of the "baying mob of half-wits". I am anxious to be included in a social group - any group.

    🤗

  • Jello is Good ,
    Oct. 12, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    @AzzUte

    "I’ve never previously in my decades of CFB fandom witnessed a fanbase so obsessed w/margin-of-defeat moral victories.....Mind-boggling."

    I’ve never previously in my decades of CFB fandom witnessed a fan (AzzUte) so obsessed with their rival, whom they say they have left behind and don't care about.....Mind-boggling.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 12, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    “First season was 8-4 with the losses being 1 or 3 point losses, pretty good!”

    I’ve never previously in my decades of CFB fandom witnessed a fanbase so obsessed w/margin-of-defeat moral victories.....Mind-boggling.

    If that was such a special year, name the good teams byu beat, including final records/rankings?

    For the record, KS had 2 BM recruits that year the caliber of which he’ll never have again in TH/JW.

    Go Utes!

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 12, 2018 5:21 a.m.

    "To Jello is good you say "Mangum is not a D1 caller." Here is a news flash: coach Sitaki isn't a D1 head coach."

    First season was 8-4 with the losses being 1 or 3 point losses, pretty good!

    Second year was horrible at 4-8.

    This year losses have been to big teams only.

    That's as many wins as losses, not a great coach, but not horrible either.

    It's a learning curve people - a lot of changes need to be made, but virtually every HC has issues. I won't call him great, I won't call him horrible, but right now he's at 50% on regular season wins.

    Must everything be hyperbole?

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:28 p.m.

    But they go over there when the lights are on and they don’t perform as well. I don’t believe in the idea of a ‘gamer,’ but some guys handle pressure better than others

    ---------------

    That's a direct reference to Tanner Mangum. He does not handle pressure well at all and it was never more evident than in the first quarter when he panicked upon seeing the outside linebacker squaring up to him and threw it right to him letting him intercepted it and return it for the first score of the game.

    People often say that coaches know better but that's not always the case. In both 2011 and the 2000 season BYU was struggling early at quarterback. Coaches finally went to backups and in each case turn the season around and finished on a high note.

    Sometimes coaches really want a certain player to do well but wishing doesn't make it so and coaches have to have the courage to make a switch when it's obvious that the status quo isn't working.

    We are past that point now halfway through the season. Let's save what's left of it and not continue this losing streak. Also we'll get Wilson ready for next season when our schedule will be even tougher. Go cougars!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    I submitted a post last night which complimented @Andre (Kaysville, UT) for both his concise correct analysis and his fabulous use of language in aptly describing those clamoring for Mangum to be replaced by Wilson, but apparently it didn't make it through the screening process.

    Wilson has been more good than bad. Remember who the QB was for our wins at AZ and Wisconsin? Remember who has more than 6000 total passing yards so far as BYU's QB?

    Our current 3-3 record is better than anticipated.

    Time to bench Mangum? Definitely not.

    If Mangum doesn't start against Hawaii it is evidence that our coaches succumbed to pressure from ... well you can read @Andre's description.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:01 p.m.

    To Jello is good you say "Mangum is not a D1 caller." Here is a news flash: coach Sitaki isn't a D1 head coach.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Oct. 11, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    Mangum has never had the "IT" leader factor. He does not inspire confidence. He is done. The team does not respond to him because he makes too many dumb mistakes for a senior. He is mental, and shows fear in his eyes. He has happy feet and dumps to his check down way too much. Sad ending for his football career but coaches let him stay far too long. It has cost BYU momentum and discouragement. Magnum seems like a young man who says the right stuff but has been beat down by his own mistakes and mental struggles. I wish him the best but he is NOT the right guy to lead the team. Its past time for Wilson.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Oct. 11, 2018 6:11 p.m.

    As I have been saying for three years, Mangum is not a D1 caliber QB. He is average at best when he doesn't turn the ball over. When he does, which has been often, he is horrible. Anybody who couldn't see the difference3 in the way Wilson and Mangum ran the team last week isn't paying attention.

    No Mangum is not THE only problem, but he is the biggest problem. If Mangum starts, I have a hard time watching. And in response to a few comments, I have played and coached at the HS level and above for 35 years. But that shouldn't and is not the requirement needed to evaluate talent and performance. Make the change.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Oct. 11, 2018 5:56 p.m.

    Its time to bring Ula back at RB. Its time to recruit the OL more than ever. Last time I checked, Mangum put up a measly 13 points against USU. Not better against most teams regardless off who it is - always a battle for Mangum to score and get first downs. Look at the 3rd down conversion ratio. Great TE's this year who are not thrown the ball until recently. Total waste. The offense once again is near dead last in the NCAA. Turnovers caused huge potential point swings. Call out the defense too, but the deflection by some away from the horrible on this site is too obvious.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 5:53 p.m.

    Wilson and hall are both well suited for a grimes offense - tanner isn't because if grimes plays work then everyone covers all players leaving the QB open.

    Tanner is a type of qb that BYU won't see again for a long time because he doesn't fit the mold that grimes needed.

    Notice that even with hall returning grimes went hard after Wilson?

    Because the offense is set to favor a running qb. Tanner is no running threat.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2018 5:29 p.m.

    The only issue I have with Wilson replacing Mangum was that the change came one opponent too late.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Oct. 11, 2018 4:34 p.m.

    Sitake knows he isn't losing his job. BYU is still on the hook for his salary for 2019 if he's not coaching.

    And let's be clear - the issues with the team in no one way excuse the travesty that was Detmer was the offensive coordinator.

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    Oct. 11, 2018 4:14 p.m.

    Many BYU fair-weather fans are ready to write off a season that is 3-3 with losses to Washington, which may be a play-off team, to USU, which may have their best team in a decade and which always seem to play their best game against the Cougars and a close loss to California, a team that they would probably should have beat. So, the Cougars, who many predicted would be 2-4 at this point could be doing worse. That said, football is still a team game and the best team should be on the field. Magnum should have been the season starter, but if a change in starting wide receiver (Romney) is okay, why isn't it okay to start a different quarterback, especially one who was neck and neck with Magnum in the pre-season and who will be the starter for the next three years? But I agree with those who observe that the problem isn't as much with Magnum as it is the defensive line and the play-calling.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 4:07 p.m.

    Ty Detmer - the previous scapegoat
    Tanner Mangum - the current scapegoat
    Zack Wilson - the next scapegoat

    The defense - perhaps the biggest issue right now.

    Coaching - big issue

    I hope we fix things and not just cover everything up over and over again.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Oct. 11, 2018 4:04 p.m.

    @Sanefan – “Tyler, you must be watching old reruns from days past of BYU.”

    You’re right, I was. Can’t figure out how my TV got stuck in perpetual 2015. Lol!

    Seriously though, what happened?

  • B Centerville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    BYU ranks 124th in total offense. They obviously need to change something.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:21 p.m.

    Unless the defense can put some pressure on Hawaii's quarterback it does not matter who starts for the Cougs. The defensive front 7 for the Cougars either have the inability or have been coached not to pressure the quarterback. If Hawaii's quarterback can sit back and pick which receiver he wants to throw to, like Washington and the Aggies did, it will be a long day for the defensive backs. The Rainbows are going to attack the plodding BYU defensive backs like crazy, and now that the Cougars have lost one of their better linebackers they can attack the short middle as well. If the Cougar coaching staff could make improvements between each game, or during the game, they might have a chance. But I think the Rainbow Warriors win their first game on on the mainland against BYU, won't be a blow out, but I am thinking 38-27.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    ESPN: "GOOD LUCK GUYS" the doors then closes "click". ESPN, off to waterboy country. "Hello, SEC football."

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 2:37 p.m.

    The only positive with Tanner as starting qb is he won’t be here next year to kill the BYU offense. If Sitake sticks with Mangum, then the only question left is who will be the new head coach next year.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 11, 2018 2:25 p.m.

    I don't care who plays quarterback as long as they move the ball and score points...and win.
    BYU is 112th in total offense...a measly 306 yards per game. Only 116 yards rushing per game, some players get that much on their own. 189 passing yards per game...some teams get that in a half. And scoring, 118th in the country, only 11 teams get fewer.
    So yeah...it's high time the coaches make a change. If Wilson starts and wins this week, and you see the team rally around him and everybody plays better on offense and defense, then you'll agree...the change is good.
    I'm taking bets. If Wilson starts, BYU gets more yards rushing and passing, and more points than their average.

  • donga60 Forest Grove, OR
    Oct. 11, 2018 2:09 p.m.

    Mangum does not have the "it" factor to play QB. Watch his passes and you are going to notice one thing in general. He is always throwing the ball into tight coverages which does not give his receivers a chance to catch the ball, let alone a chance for breaking a run. His receivers are battling for every catch and are usually double covered or very tightly covered. He does a poor job at reading coverages and looking off receivers. When he does throw the ball he panics under pressure when he is in the pocket. With every defense there are receivers open. It's all a matter of where and when they open. You run the routes and the scheme and something is going to open up. You have to have a QB with the "it" factor. Mangum has failed. A lot of QB's can throw a beautiful ball. Reading coverages is another matter all together. I have a hard time believing our wide receivers and tight ends are that bad. They need a chance. Mangum is not giving them that chance. Since the season is simply to become bowl eligible now a change in offensive attitude is needed. Mangum can not pass for over 200 yds per game effectively and consistently so why not get another QB prepped for next year.

  • TX BYU Fan Heber City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 1:48 p.m.

    BYU has many more challenges than just Tanner. That is clear. The defense is going backwards and not progressing. That is a problem.

    Tanner does not have the ability to make the long pass. Defenses see that on film and load up the box and keep the short field defensed so Tanner has nowhere to pass. Then our line collapses, Tanner tries to run, but isn’t a runner so the play falls apart. It starts with Tanner’s inability to complete a long pass and the the problems accumulate from there. You have to periodically complete a long pass (over 15 yards) to keep a defense honest.

    I don’t know if Wilson is the answer or not. But we know Tanner isn’t the answer. If you can’t complete the long pass, then you need to be able to run. Tanner can’t do either. Taysom Hill couldn’t complete a long pass, but he could run. That is what led to his limited success.

    The problems are team wide. It isn’t all on Tanner, but he is definitely part of the problem.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Defense needs help, a lot of it. Hawaii might put up video game numbers against byu if nothing changes.

    I think that BYU starting tanner then bringing in Zack to change momentum is smart, that allows the team to switch when momentum needs a switch and gain points off of the adjustment.

    Who starts is not a big deal, it's game management.

    I'm excited about our next 2 QBs, assuming that Zack Wilson in junk time against usu is Zack Wilson as a starter is rediculous - he's yet untested in any major way.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 1:03 p.m.

    Yes, play Zach Wilson. I seriously doubt he will be worse than Mangum and most likely he will be much better.

    And if he does great I believe that will help our defense play better because they'll be more enthusiastic about playing harder since they'll feel like we actually have a chance to win if we're in the game as opposed to getting blown out or suffering another sure loss if the other team can score at least 30.

    Then the next change will be to find a talented D coordinator who really knows what he's doing and how to get the most out of players, even if a few starters are out with injuries.

  • Atkins Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    You have to have a difference maker at QB, if you want to win games. Wilson might be a difference maker; Mangum has not been. If you're a dual threat, the odds of making a difference are better. Not only because you make plays with your feet, but also because you're always a threat to make plays with your feet. Defenses have to align differently, and one more guy (sometimes two) in the box opens up pass routes. Football really is a numbers game.

    Grimes had minimal talent at RB to start the season, so looks like he took a flyer on a Wing T offensive scheme, figuring his opponents would struggle to defend it, since all they see now is spread. Turned out he was right, at least for a few weeks. Without any real run game to defend now, his opponents will have a much easier job in the weeks ahead.

    By starting Wilson, who is a threat to run and has a stronger arm to threaten defenses deep, Grimes takes back some of what he's lost. Would also help him to move away from the tight formations to a pro spread in order to open things up a bit for Wilson. Bottom line: I just don't see any good rationale for staying with what he's got now.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:52 a.m.

    Tyler, you must be watching old reruns from days past of BYU. Magnum is horribly inaccurate. He overthrows and underthrows consistently and I’m talking when receivers are wide open. He does “panic” in the pocket, even when not pressured. He had 2 huge scramble throws for last minute wins. That is his “legacy,” period! Time for someone else who can play with passion, enthusiasm and leadership.

  • You can call me Ray Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    I just love reading these posts from BYU's finest football fans. How many of you are at practice everyday? How many of you break down game film everyday? How many of you have even coached little league football? How many of you are just jock sniffing weasels? "It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who errs, and comes short again and again, but....Who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; and who at the worst if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat!"

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    Good, Mangum is a fail...

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    @wallyball

    Time to see if Zach can BE "the good in the world".

    🤗

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    And here we go. If Wilson plays and beats Hawaii, which has a poor defense, it will be National Championship here we come. Not much pressure on this young man.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Mangum should have been replaced 2 years ago. Why is it so obvious that he doesn't have what it takes to be a true D1 QB?

    Yes Mangum is not the only problem w the team.

    But wake up coaches! If you can't tell that he is a sore part of the problem they YOU should be replaced.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Everyone knows that one drive in garbage time is definitely enough to tell that this frosh is ready to be the starter...

    Please burn his redshirt. That would be hilarious.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    If the two are equal, and the Sr. has no shot at the NFL, then play the youngster.

    If Mangum would win games that Wilson wouldn't, then keep playing Mangum, obviously.

    But it doesn't seem like Wilson would lose a game Mangum would win. And he may give you a shot in a game Mangum wouldn't.

    The issue is that the youngster has precious little experience and will certainly make some rookie mistakes. Like INTs, etc. If you can live with that, maybe he should start.

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    Mangum has had more than enough chances. He has been adequate. Even in wins, he has been unspectacular. His MO is to not convert third downs. Having a quarterback with the ability to run and extend plays can help keep drives alive. Wilson has a great arm, poise beyond his years, and athleticism that can't be taught. It's time to give him a real shot at running the offense. Mangum is a great guy, but he often underthrows open receivers. We can't blame everything on him, but what Wilson showed against USU is something BYU desperately needs.

  • oilerfan KaTy, TX
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:48 a.m.

    If this happens it is BYU staying true to their M-O.......... BYU struggles vs. good teams - it must be QB's fault - Bring up new QB - BYU plays bad teams - New QB is a national hero - BYU is now ready for national championship.
    BYU has many problems. The list could go on and on at many positons that are struggling.
    Lets face it, they are an average football team. If the coaches are ready to move on from Tanner its understandable. He is in his final year. The question the coaches have to ask," is it time to groom a quarterback for the future?" If so, Wilson be warned - You could be Tanner or any other of the recent QBs in another year.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    It's not throwing Mangum under the bus. The season is basically over. It will take a bit to rebuild this thing from "go fast go hard" to a Wisconsin style bruising offense. Look at recruiting this last year and you will see the emphasis. Tanner has no chance at the NFL, so why not give your future QBs some real game experience? Tanner had the unfortunate role of bridging different coaching staffs and philosophies. He did a good job, but it's time to look to the future.

  • Idaho forever South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:27 a.m.

    Again.................mediocrity is just what it is..........

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    I love how the same blue faithful, who constantly reminded everyone that Mangum was an elite 11 quarterback with Jameis Winston, are the very ones now calling for his ouster.
    After the Arizona and Wisconsin wins, Tanner was being hyped as the second coming of Jim McMahon, now he's viewed as little more than scrimmage bait.

  • Bronco come back Herriman, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    The fact is that that BYU is among the worst offensive teams for 2 years. Ok, we got rid of Detmer. We beefed up our O-Line and gave out scholarships to those dudes. We have some new receivers, and hired a seasoned O-Coordinator.

    Tanner is the problem. I don't know if Wilson solves it, but what Tanner has proven is that he can thrown the ball as long as it is a screen pass or no more than 6 yards. He can throw hail marys, but can't win simple games. He has had his chance. HE has had more time and opportunity than any other QB would ever get in D1 football. Start someone else!!!!! Tanner has to go.

  • Tyler D Prescott, AZ
    Oct. 11, 2018 9:00 a.m.

    @DonO – “He panics in the pocket, can't run and has difficulty throwing a pass more than 10 yards.”

    Nonsense…

    On the first point, you’re confusing “panic” with rational reactions to an offensive line unable to do its job.

    Second, I couldn’t care less if my QB can’t run. Can he pass?

    Which brings up you’re third point – we must have been watching two different QB’s these past few years. Tanner is a stellar passer, short and long, and is one of the most accurate BYU has ever seen.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:52 a.m.

    While I believe in being optimistic and "seeing the good in the world " I have also adopted a faith, hope and CLARITY philosophy when it comes to Byu football. The faith and hope part is that Mangum would be the "guy" this year. However, the clarity tells me that he doesn't look or play like a veteran senior qb who has played in 31 games. Granted there are other factors but the qb sets the tone. However, if Cole McDonald plays and Byu uses the same soft defensive scheme, it won't make much difference who Byu plays at qb

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    As a diehard BYU fan (although frustrated fan) I’ve come to realize that the culture of the program might be the real issue. Let me explain.

    Truly great legacy programs demand excellence.

    Alabama replaced their HIGHLY successful quarterback for a freshman because Coach Saban thought the younger guy gave them a better chance. And now Alabama looks almost ready to join the NFL.

    Clemson did the EXACT same thing.

    Oklahoma barely lost last week to a very good Texas team - they fire their D Coordinator the following day (who is a Stoops no less - a legacy guy at Oklahoma).

    BYU would never do that. Ty Detmer deserved to be replaced long before. Tanner (although a fantastic young man) deserves to be replaced.

    I think BYU is the greatest school in the world and I want them to succeed desperately. I think making tough decisions is a challenge though for Coach Sitake.

  • Whoisthisreally slc, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    Still don't understand why they haven't used Hoge.
    Hoge has a strong accurate arm for short and long throws. He makes good decisions. AND runs the rpo well.

    AND time to get the ball to Bushman.

    But still, these two don't play defense.

  • West Jordanians of Utah WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    Another player that was intense when they were younger but diminished is Butch Pau’u. About 2-3 years ago, he led the team in tackles and was amazing at blitzing the gap and stuffing the hole. I loved watching him play. Since then, he’s been injury prone and ineffective in covering guys in zone coverage because he doesn’t have the speed to keep up. Have him do what he’s most effective or replace.

    The O-Line was touted as an amazing group at the beginning, but has since been average with creating holes and even their pass blocking has been below average. When BYU played Wisconsin and their line couldn’t stop Takitaki, Anderson and Kaufusi, the whole All-American line was replaced. That’s what BYU should do.

    Lastly, quick starts is the biggest key to firing up the crowd. You lull them to sleep “again” then no one will show up. Hawaii is a very good team, but they’ve never won in Provo maybe because of the altitude and the cold. Hopefully those bode well in our favor. I want to see what Wilson can do.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:17 a.m.

    Becoming the starting QB job at BYU is not akin to having your "Calling and Election Made Sure".

    Don't cry for Argentina or Tanner Mangum. He's been in and out of the program since 2011.
    Plenty of time to prove himself.

    BYU's inability to crack the Top 100 in Passing, Scoring or Total Offense is not good enough..Sorry Tanner.

    You have a wonderful life, now please take the clipboard and smile.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    And I will base whether or not I attend the game on whether Zach starts or not.

    Even with season tickets, I refuse to attend the games as long as Tanner is still the starter.

    Don't count on these coaches to do the right thing.

    #Sitake-Deer staring into headlights!

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:06 a.m.

    They have to do something. Tanner Mangum is a nice guy but not a D-1 quarterback. Never has been. He panics in the pocket, can't run and has difficulty throwing a pass more than 10 yards. But just replacing Mangum is like proverbially re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. This program is in a world of hurt on many fronts. Again, unless they do something drastic I believe it's just a matter of time before ownership pulls the plug on the whole thing.

  • Musketman Stansbury Park, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:05 a.m.

    When is the DC going to be evaluated? Last I checked 35 points from Washington and 45 from USU was from the Defense not doing their part. Maybe it time for Sitake to pull a Bronco and take over the DC duties as well!

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:01 a.m.

    The offensive line must get better! Put Mayfield, Brady, Russell Wilson back there and it won't matter unless the line can protect.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    Yes!!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    Grimes seems to have fashioned this statement to preempt any questions from the media while allowing everybody hear what they want to hear.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    If Zach starts I wish him all the best. The game is more complicated then what we as fans see and with all the offensive brain power we have I hope they make the right decision. We need a healthy pass and run game to make the offence work. Perhaps Tanner should start and if we don't have a touchdown midway through the first quarter then put in Zach. Zach should play in every game we have left and not just mop up duty. In the game against USU Zach should have played in some of the third and definitely all of the 4th quarter. Perhaps some of the other QB's should play without burning a redshirt.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:40 a.m.

    When the starting QB isn't performing the way fans would like, the backup QB is the most popular player on the team.

    What happens when/if Wilson makes mistakes? Listen to the some of the fans. Do you think they'll be forgiving? Doubtful. Plus, like others have said, it could ruin his confidence, and possibly his career. This isn't just a BYU thing. Fans clamor for the backup QB when the starter isn't playing as well as fans would like at schools across the country.

    I'll also echo that I think Mangum is good enough to get us to a bowl game and as for me, I'll consider that a success after last year. He doesn't deserve to be the fall guy after last week any more than anyone else. No one played well last week.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:31 a.m.

    In that final scoring drive last Friday night, I saw two I have not seen out of BYU before this season:

    1. Receivers picking up yards after the catch.
    2. A QB that turned a broken play into big yards.

    Zach looked like a pass first guy, but he also has the running skills to avoid sacks and turn what would be a loss into a big gain. He needs experience and I would give it to him. Maybe we don't start with Zach, but inserting him into the game in the second quarter and let him show what he can do when it matters would be good.

  • Kokobeam Riverton, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 7:03 a.m.

    Desperation is setting in. Panic mode is nigh. It's over!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 11, 2018 6:50 a.m.

    The cougars will wait until they finally see a "beatable" team before making the switch. And that's because Y fans don't care "who" they beat. They can't draw any distinction between beating an "Alabama" from an "Alabama St." It's all the same to them. So in order for this coaching staff to save their jobs, they'll wait until a "beatable" team pops up on their schedule, "make the switch", and dupe cougar nation into believing "they're back". And then the coaches get to keep their jobs.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 6:38 a.m.

    Re: Andre

    I couldn't agree with you more. BYU gave up 45 points in the loss last week, and it's like someone else said last they checked, quarterbacks don't play defense.

    Hoping for a win this week. Go Cougs!

  • payara OREM, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 6:21 a.m.

    I have a feeling that we will be seeing a lot of that duo of Wilson to Romney. Wilson's passes looked effortless.

    On another note, Tanner was the first one to run out there and congratulate Wilson. Class act.

  • matman Provo, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 4:43 a.m.

    It'll be nice for a change but it won't fix the problem.

  • Woohoo Somewhere, ID
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:36 a.m.

    @Andre

    Re: Sitake is getting ready to throw Mangum under the bus.

    We've all seen what Mangum can do and I'm sorry to say he hasn't been all that impressive since his freshman year. So people want to see someone different have a chance.

    Mangum has had plenty of chances it is time to see someone else get a chance at QB.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 11, 2018 12:22 a.m.

    Whether it's fair or not, the Quarterback gets either the majority of the blame for a loss or the majority of the credit for win. Mangum looks average. He's not really elevating the team with his play the way he did his freshman year. Even though he's more mobile that he was. I think it's time to give Wilson a chance to see if he can bring a spark. I think that's what is missing from Mangums game.

  • One of Vai's Cousins DC, Washington
    Oct. 11, 2018 12:19 a.m.

    I would like to see the Cougs stick with Mangum as the starter. He has not been spectacular but has been as effective as any other starter this season. He played solidly and has done what has been asked of him through an incredibly tough front loaded schedule and deserves to continue. If coaches replace him can you name a starter who shouldn’t join him watching the Hawaii game from the sidelines? Has anyone actually stood out and played great the past few games? 3-3 is better than we probably should be right now and Tanner played a big role in that. And he gives the Cougs the best chance to make a bowl game and improve to 7-5 which would be nice progress over last season.

    Let Wilson continue to absorb the offense and then have the entire spring and summer to show he is ready to be the man.

  • BC-Cali21 , CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:39 p.m.

    Andre, you really think Grimes gets on here and reads our mumbo-jumbo and says, “yep, he’s right,” or “that dude’s got a good idea; I think we’ll do that this week!” No he doesn’t...maybe Kyle Whittingham and his staff does that but Grimes don’t.
    Yep, it’s sad that a real good kid like Tanner struggles to lead the offense—it’s the QBs job to lead, not the center, not the WRs, not the RBs...it’s the quarter back’s job and the offense is stale and hasn’t moved like we all expect it too, the coaches included (oh, and don’t forget them dudes that talk on BYU TV Sports—they’ve all noticed the offense isn’t firing on all cylinders either; it’s no secret. It’s a good thing that Wilson may start and get his chance and an even better thing if he can lead the offense and matriculate the ball down the field and score often.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:31 p.m.

    BYU fans, it’s time...

    for Zack Wilson!

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:20 p.m.

    This reminds me of the injured dog eating itself. For a season that started out so good, the wheels are falling off, and I blame poor coaching. Since the offensive coaching staff was fired last year, the one common denominator is the head coach. Maybe he can use Whittingham's game plan and fire offensive coaches year after year, or maybe Holmoe will figure out what the real problem is before it is too late?

  • mightymite , 00
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:16 p.m.

    Yes they could but why??? He is not ready. Your going to risk his next four years on this season? Confidence is everything. How many talented qbs at BYU have failed due to this tactic ... Yes in the recent past there have been several more talented then this freshmen who have been burned or even cost a career by this approach. Slow down

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:14 p.m.

    Running QBs are a nice asset to have, but here's my main gripe with running quarterbacks.

    I actually have two of them . . .

    One is the injury factor, of course. Running QBs are subject to more hits and therefore are more prone to injury.

    Secondly, there are very few running qbs that are pass-first guys. A qb's running abililty is supposed to SUPPLEMENT their passing, not the other way around. Sometimes running qbs run every other play, and it gets obnoxious. Throw the ball most of the time and leave most of the running to the freaking running backs! They're supposed to take the pounding, that's what they're for. Marcus Mariota was one of the few stellar qbs I knew with stellar running and stellar passing ability. The best qbs are pass first guys who happen to be athletic enough to take off and pick up a first on like a 3rd down when they need to.

    Taysom Hill might be one of my favorite humans on the planet. However, there was a lot to be critical of in terms of his passing. When you are as great of an athlete as Taysom, it's hard not to run a lot. I remember fans complaining about BYU becoming the "Air Force Cougars"

    We'll see what happens. Hope he does well.

  • Andre Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:12 p.m.

    It sounds like Sitake is getting ready to throw Mangum under the bus. It's disappointing. I don't know how anyone can conclude Tanner is the problem, but the coach is feeling some heat, especially from the baying mob of half-wits that populate Cougarboard, so I guess he needs a scapegoat.