I read an article over the week that convinced me to vote in favor of prop 2. It
was in The Economist and the article in stated that in CA, where marijuana was
recently legalized, the alcohol and wine industry sales are slumping because
marijuana was crowding out alcohol sales.Obviously, legalizing
recreational marijuana vs medical marijuana is very different. For those saying
that marijuana is not harmless, they couldn't be further from the truth. As
an RN, I frequently see acute psychosis and schizophrenia linked to consumption
of marijuana. In the medical literature, the jury is still out on whether or not
marijuana is a causal factor in mental illness, but anyone with the slightest
trace of mental illness in their family should steer clear from this. Go talk to
any psychiatrist up at UNI and they will say the same.Having said
all that, I believe I will vote in favor of prop 2. Not because marijuana is
harmless (it's not), but because I view the current approach as the lesser
of two evils. It needs to be used for medical uses, not recreational use. But
even if it is used recreationally, it should be decriminalized.
Vote YES on Prop 2! Everybody on here saying to vote No and wait for a better
version are just trying to delay the inevitable.Fact of the matter
is we've been wasting tax payer dollars arresting and prosecuting
non-violent cannabis offenses for over 70 years, and cannabis use has actually
gone UP. Keeping it illegal is just making criminals rich at the expense of tax
payers. I'd rather tax cannabis use and direct that additional
tax revenue to help pay for better teachers at our schools and clean up our
dirty air. Also, no one should be telling me what I can and
can't put in my body. This nanny state has to end. Vote YES on Prop 2!
Voted "Yes" for prop 2, main in ballot is the way to go
Citizen John Doe - "I have to admit that I'm surprised that so many
"active" members are choosing to ignore prophetic counsel. That is
always a big mistake."KJK - Sorry, but it's not ALWAYS a
mistake. Joseph Fielding Smith said, "It makes no difference
what is written or what anyone has said, if what has been said is in conflict
with what the Lord has revealed, we can set it aside. My words, and the teaching
of any other member of the Church, high or low, if they do not square with the revelations, we need not accept them. Let us have this matter clear. We
have accepted as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure
every man's doctrine....If Joseph Fielding Smith writes something which is
out of harmony with the revelations, then every member of the Church is duty
bound to reject it." It all boils down to whether the
prophet's counsel conforms to scripture. I previously gave 2 references
that, in my opinion, show that voting against 2 seems to run contrary to what
the scriptures say. Please let me know how I may be in error. Thanks
@Citizen John DoeThanks for showing how desperately we need to
adhere to the concept of the separation of church and state. - When a group of
people brazenly declare THEY know the will of "God" and need to inflict
it on everyone else, you know life is horribly out of balance.Not
only do we now know marijuana is near harmless and FAR safer than alcohol, the
benign plant is actually a sacrament of various religions and spiritual groups,
such as the Rastafarians, Hindus, the Rainbow Family, etc.Once
religion and the state mix, huge oppression against the people and the truth
always result. We need to thank the issue of marijuana legalization for
showing us we urgently need to remove this sickness from society!
Being on the wrong side of history seems to be a trend.
It is a great blessing to mankind to have a prophet of God on the earth just
like it was in ancient times with Moses, Abraham, Elijah, etc. But the only way
to benefit is by heeding their counsel.God gives prophets a clearer
vision of the future than the rest of us can get through our own logic.But those who believe there is a prophet of God on earth can still choose
whether or not to follow his counsel. Because of pride, we can pit our own logic
against God's logic if we choose to.Those who ignore his
counsel will assuredly reap worse consequences in the end than those who follow
him.I have to admit that I'm surprised that so many
"active" members are choosing to ignore prophetic counsel. That is
always a big mistake.
Science and widespread experience have shown marijuana has no significant harms.
- Hence every person who chooses near harmless marijuana over addictive, very
harmful alcohol, improves their health tremendously - as well as the lives of
their family and community.Clearly, ALL adult consumption has health
benefits. - Re-legalize marijuana for all adults, as the NINE Free States and
D.C. have done!
All of the perceived problems with marijuana use stem from its being illegal.
Over the years that has created a black market where little Johnny and Jill are
forced to do business with people who also sell other more harmful drugs. Many
get involved in dealing on a limited basis in the black-market as a way to fund
their own use and do favors for friends. This creates a mindset that
rationalizes breaking the law even when it involves more than the occasional use
of a harmless drug that has been outlawed as a favor to big pharma.
Marijuana has been around for thousands of years and was legal in this country
until the pharmaceutical industry started to organize to prevent the sale of
patent medicines, snake oils cures, and anything they could not patent,
copyright, or control. The only real issue is money. Those who object to
legalization have financial Interest to protect. The product is harmless as has
been proven beyond doubt over thousands of years by billions of users.
Think for yourself. A yes vote for Prop 2 is the best way to have
all our voices heard. We can do this together. We tell our elected
leaders what to do. Not the other way around. Vote yes on Prop 2.
The Governor has promised a special session to work on this no matter which way
we vote, so it doesn't really matter what the voters think.I
have seen this "non-addictive" herb cause some serious problems for
several people I have known over the years. Chemicals affect different people
differently. Going around proclaiming that cannabis has never hurt anyone is a
serious disservice to many.Voting no.
I'm voting YES on Prop 2. I've actually read the thing and it
prohibits smoking. It does not allow pawn shops to sell pot. lol. There's
certainly a lot of weird things that people think this proposition allows which
it does not. It's probably the MOST conservative and strict of any of the
medical cannabis laws out there and yet people still believe in the lies of the
'reefer madness' crowd that this is a recreational cannabis bill. They
compare it with Colorado, California, Washington, and other places that actually
HAVE recreational cannabis. It's ridiculous to compare the two. I'm
voting YES, most of my family (who are very active LDS) are also voting yes.
Patients like my father, who suffered for decades with MS before he passed, need
this. My dad was on morphine for the pain and it didn't alleviate the pain
much at all. Maybe cannabis would not have helped either, who knows, but I would
have liked for him to have the option, which should be between his doctor and
himself, nobody else has the right to intervene.
I am not blindly making the decision to vote 'No' on Proposition 2. I
have read the pros and cons. However, no matter how good the arguments may
appear or sound for it to pass, I am first and foremost a member of the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In an effort to follow the wisdom of my
religious leaders, my vote will be 'No'.
I think this "poll" is flawed. I think people FAVOR medical uses for
marijuana, but Prop 2 allows for pawn shops to sell recreational use of
marijuana, and most voters oppose that. The powers that be, representing all
interests of this issue have agreed on a newer version of Prop 2 that supposedly
addresses all of the issues so that those who need the medicinal use can get
what they need.
From the looks of the comments on this board it would appear that there is a
lack of trust in those assuring that a "no" vote will result in the
legislature passing a better bill. If trust can't be restored, I suspect
you are going to see more of these type of initiatives in the future.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has never known people who have spent a
lifetime on marijuana. Enough of their brain deteriorates so that they
don't react to life the same way---ever. There is no coming back.
I've seen doctoral candidates struggle to think enough to be a store clerk,
I've seen countless addicts become recluses, I've lost friends who are
wandering around somewhere inside their bodies, but I can't reach them
through the cloud of marijuana that forever clouds their brains. I've had
better luck relating to my friends who were addicted to harder stuff but went
through rehab and are now clean. Endorsing people to give up is criminal, and
putting them in that position in the hospital when they are in probably greater
pain than they ever have in their lives. I am a survivor of leukemia, and if I
had that opportunity when I was in the hospital, today I might only be a drug
addict. My friends have told me that marijuana is the strongest addiction they
have ever experienced--the ones who are still here, at least, or the ones whose
brains can still process enough logic. Make the right decision. Keep things
the way they have been as long as possible.
RE: "Where do likely voters stand on Proposition 2"...---I
don't know. Should we just vote and find out?===I
don't care. Because I don't plan to use it regardless of what
happens with Prop 2.Medical MJ is already legal (the stuff with THC
removed). Has been since 2015. I don't know why we need more liberal
laws on it, when it's still illegal by Federal Law.I know a few
people need it for medical reasons. But not enough to start this movement. I
suspect this is about recreational use in the end. Maybe not this move, but in
the future moves by the same lobby I guarantee will happen.Are we
going to take the next steps? That's the question I'd like
answered.With the power of this lobbying group... I don't see
any way to stop it. Oh... other than voting.I'll be voting
against it, in hopes of a better bill next time. And more assurances that this
isn't just another step towards recreational use.
With all due respect to the Deseret News, I believe the timing of this article
is suspect. The opponents of Proposition 2 know it has strong support and if
the election were held today, would likely pass. This is nothing more than an
attempt to scare the NO crowd into coming out on election day. If the tables
were turned, would this article even appear?
The LDS Corp claims that about 65% of the people in Utah are Mormons. Yet, 64%
of the population supports Prop 2. That means that a significant percentage of
Mormons disagree with their church on this issue.How about we have
secular laws in Utah instead of interference from religious laws? That would
benefit all people instead of creating laws that benefit a certain group.
In the temple and in the scriptures, the Father tells Adam not to eat the fruit
of the tree of knowledge of good and evil but says that he can choose for
himself and reap the natural consequences of that choice. This means that we
should be free to choose that which we believe is on our best interest. The
scriptures also condemn using one's subjective morals to infringe upon the
rights and liberties of others (D&C 134:4 / 1 Cor. 10:29). These 2 points
show the OFFICIAL doctrine of the Church.If you believe that you
have the right/liberty to go to a doctor, get a prescription, fill it and treat
your own ailments without anyone else butting in to tell you what you can and
cannot do to treat your malady, then vote yes. If you don't believe in
Agency or believe that it can be infringed upon to force you to live according
to another's morals, like someone else in the Pre-Existence advocated, then
vote no.I'm siding with what the scriptures say.
Dude! Prop 2 will be totally awesome! Don't buy the bogus arguments
against it. Bud doesn't hurt anyone; it's gnarly!
Supporters of Prop 2 regularly use sad stories of pain and suffering to justify
their support for prop 2. Those who oppose prop 2 also agree. Those who need
marijuana for medical purposes should have it. The problem is, too many people
don't understand the distribution part of the proposition. Those who
oppose prop 2 aren't trying to keep it from those who need it, they simply
want it controlled and prescribed just like any other prescription. I have yet
to hear someone who is voting for prop 2 explain why that is unacceptable.
No one had a problem when highly additive pain medications ( Oxycontin) came
available but for some reason some of you are scared to death of a Non Additive
plant. Every day untold thousands, and thousands of people use Marijuana and
most of you don't even know that its one of your family members , your
neighbors, or a person sitting next to you.
Oppose Prop. 2
I'm voting NO. I'm all for marijuana for medical use, but it should be
handled just like any other pharmaceutical drug. Prescribed by a trained doctor
and controlled through a pharmacy. I am totally against dispensaries and the
ability for some people to grow their own depending on distance. That's
ridiculous! Those who need it should have it, but there is no reason whatsoever
that it can't be controlled and distributed via a pharmacy.
200,000,000 Americans have access to medical MJ. Yet we're suppose to
believe that we haven't studied this issue enough or that we don't
know what the unintended consequences are.The sky hasn't fallen
anywhere because of this. Tell me again that the FDA needs to approve MJ for
medical use and I'll tell you they approved tons of opioids that have
created a nation wide public health crisis. The only reason the
legislature is opposed is because it wasn't presented as a MLM scheme. Its
can be an ESSENTIAL OIL after all.
I'm voting Yes, though I don't think it goes far enough, because we
still waste money and time with law enforcement for an issue that people ought
to be able to handle for themselves. I don't understand why we don't
believe we can leave it up to individuals to choose how to use marijuana in a
way that works for them. I mean, this is not a particularly dangerous drug,
especially compared to opioids, which for some reason are completely legal and
easy to get. I've never used marijuana, or tobacco, or alcohol, and never
plan to, but I really can't see the purpose of laws and law enforcement
around these types of substances except as they apply to things that affect
everyone (such as driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol).
bamafone:"Dude, Utah gonna be like...stoned.""Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man."
I am voting YES on Prop 2 mostly because I have seen the legislature drag their
heals and do nothing for the medical use of marijuana. I watched both of my
parents die horribly painful deaths, this would have given them some relief in
the end. I dare say that most people who are against this are blindly lead by
fear and a false trust that the legislature will do something in the future. I
also think that they have never watch someone in horrible pain suffer. As for
recreational use, if people want to smoke pot bad enough they are going to do it
whether it's legal or not.
Dude, Utah gonna be like...stoned.
David - Centerville, re: "I'm voting NO. I don't want an outside
lobbying group writing legislation for marijuana use in Utah."90-95% of Prop 2 was written by Utahns including Senator Madsen and members of
TRUCE as SB73 - and was passed - after a series of amendments by the Utah State
Senate in 2016. Drafting attorneys were brought in solely to help convert it to
proper ballot initiative form. Donald Johnson, re: "From our
experience in Michigan with legalized medical marijuana, the vast majority of
users are really using it for recreational purposes and not for medical
need."I've reviewed several thousand studies over recent
years. I challenge you to come up with a single one showing that THAT has been
the experience in a single state. I'll even help you: that WAS a problem
in California's first in the nation program, but those rules were tightened
long ago. Meanwhile no state has moved to abandon its passed
program, satisfaction is high and most states have moved to keep expanding and
improving their programs. Facts matter.
Vote no. It's a Trojan Horse leading the way to recreational use.
Such mis-information. If law enforcement doesn't arrest someone under
Prop 2, it's because law enforcement isnt doing their job. Impairment is
impairment, it doesnt matter how they got that way. Smoking cannabis
is illegal under Prop 2. So is possession by a minor. "Pawn
shops"?? LOL It is "pot shops", another name for a
dispensary. They can't be any closer to homes and schools than a Utah state
liquor store. Compare Utah's Prop 2 to Arizona's medical
marijuana laws. Drug Safe Utah wont do that, because the marijuana law in
Arizona actually works, and they dont want to use facts. So they use
California, Colorado, Oregon and Nevada to tell us the sky is falling. I'm voting for Prop 2.
David in Centeville Prop 2 was not written by outside lobby groups. Maybe a
little input but not written. What is your source that outside lobby groups
wrote Prop 2?
Opiates kills pain. Opiates kills people too. I never heard of anyone treating
with marijuana and died from an overdose. I am living proof, you can't
o.d. on marijuana!Pete-Ski!
I’m voting for prop 2 because I’ve seen the benefits from marijuana.
The opposition to marijuana legalization is a moral panic based on fear,
ignorance and religious prejudice.
Why are people scared of recreational use?
I'm voting NO. I don't want an outside lobbying group writing
legislation for marijuana use in Utah. On this important issue, I want the
legislature and governor to write laws that will be a Utah solution. Time and
time again, Utah has shown that we can solve problems better than the rest of
the nation. We don't need a DC, or a Colorado, or a Washington state
marijuana system here in Utah.
There are parts of the world where, amazingly, drugs are legal, and the fabric
of society is not in shreds. This happens, to varying degrees, in places like
Switzerland, Portugal, and the Netherlands. Drug abuse there is treated as a
public health problem, not a crime. As a result, in those countries criminals
do not get rich from selling drugs. Their prisons are not bulging at the seams
with people convicted of drug offenses. Drugs are regulated and taxed, and the
revenue, combined with the law enforcement saving, is more than enough to help
the abusers.Prohibition of alcohol in this country was a monumental
failure. Prohibition of drugs is an on-going monumental failure. Criminals and
the prison-industrial complex would be the only ones to suffer from a more
reasonable approach to drug use. Why are we so eager to protect those people?
Prop 2 will significantly increase the amount of marijuana used in the state,
and the number of people who use it. From our experience in Michigan with
legalized medical marijuana, the vast majority of users are really using it for
recreational purposes and not for medical need. There are many medical marijuana
shops happy to make it easy to get a medical card from friendly physicians happy
to take the person's word that they have unexplained pain or anxiety, even
when it's clearly untrue.
Moon Beam - Magna, UT wrote:"I strongly, strongly suggest that we all
vote NO for Prop 2 and let the new, better version be made into law."I
don't know where or how all this fallacy comes from. But honestly, if you
want the new, better version to made into law, you need to vote YES on Prop 2.
Otherwise there is no accountability to the legislatures of our state. Dispensing from pawn shops???? That sure came out of nowhere. You are
obviously uninformed. Nothing suggests medical cannabis will be sold in pawn
shops. How do you have a pharmacist working in a pawn shop to dispense cannabis?
A pharmacist will be on site. How does this compromise encourage pot use?
You can buy a little raw plant for vaping, and it will come in a blister packet.
It all looks like medication, because it is. No gummy bears no edibles.
Lozenges, oils, tinctures, salves, creams, patches, the things patients want.
How does any of that create recreational use? You want recreational use, find
someone who knows someone that smokes pot and ask them. Tada! Recreational use.
Why blame patients for abuse? Do we blame patients for society's abuse of
opiates? Or Klonopin, Xanax? No more suffering. Enough is enough.
To : Prometheus Platypusre: "If those opposed to prop 2 have to
resort to lies and misinformation, then they have no real argument."That is precisely what the proponents of Prop 2 are doing - selling this
as a medical marijuana bill when in reality it is designed to allow more people
to access and smoke marijuana without consequences. It is back-door
legalization of a drug that has been shown to destroy lives, relationships, work
habits, and motivation for a large percentage of users. It has also been shown
to be a gateway drug, with severe consequences to those who move on to more
potent alternatives.The number of people in the state who actually
could use marijuana for unique medicinal purposes is quite small. And for those
who argue it is needed by a larger number of people, marijuana should be
subjected to the same scientific rigor, including double-blind tests, efficacy,
risk assessment, etc. as every other regulated drug. And it should be
distributed as any other controlled substance, without loopholes that will
Yes on prop 2.If you are morally against it, don't take it. Let
others have the ability to make that decision for themselves, depending on the
Vote "yes" on Prop 2. Don't fall for the lies from the legislature
and governor about a new compromise plan. There isn't one. It's just
a ruse to deny this pain killing natural plant from competing with the opium
dealing pharmaceutical giants. This is our only chance, Utah. Vote
"yes" and let the ruling party know the people are in charge here.
This is where those school-voucher and Count My Vote chickens are coming home to
roost. We trusted the Utah GOP to honor the public's wishes on school
vouchers and the Count My Vote compromise, but instead the party has done its
level best to ignore us and go back on its promises.Personally, I
don't trust our GOP-controlled Legislature to follow through on its
promises about a better medical marijuana law, unless it absolutely has to.
I'll vote Yes on Prop 2 to make sure that we, the people, have some clout
in any upcoming negotiations and the legislative session.
If it comes by way of the path the other states have introduced...it's only
a ruse, medically speaking, to eventually make it legal for recreational use.Have a plan in January to introduce a bill that is medically sound and
that is as far it should go and monitor the Dr's prescribing it like you do
No surprise about the comments here. Coming straight after conference weekend. I
will not deny help for someone who needs it. If I have an issue one day that I
have a choice to use addictive opioids or medical marijuana I will use the least
abusive way. I am sorry to see people vote against people in pain. The other 30
states who have passed it don't seem to be trying to vote against it. But I
guess no one can prove it is bad in those states? They just keep pointing to
Colorado but they have recreational so it doesn't count. Where is your
proof that the other 30 states it is being abused. No one can show that. In the
mean time you are telling people to get addicted to pain pills. Shame on you.
"I don’t trust the state legislature to follow up with a compromise if
the proposition fails. They could just say the public doesn’t want it so
forget it."Yet proponents of the proposition are suppose to
believe that if voted down the legislature will take a sensible and measured
approach to legalizing medical cannabis use. Ha.The only way to get
a sensible solution is to approve prop 2 which forces the legislature to deal
with what will become the law.
I will be voting against proposition 2. My research has not convinced me to vote
in favor of it.
Follow the Prophet x3He knows the way. Vote no on Prop 2, all will
Be informed, educate yourself...Vote for Prop2...
I read the bill and as we've been told, in it's current form it's
a mess. Law enforcement will will go from challenging to non existent. This comment: "You could actually get your pediatrician to prescribe pot
for your teenager, with parental approval of course. " seems humorous on
the surface.. but in fact, while proponents stress there will be no recreational
access, this bill will make that very difficult to enforce. If someone wants
it, both teens and adults will have a greatly enhanced access which does not
exist now. This is a slippery slope. Vote "NO" and lets get
this mess fixed so that we help those with actual, medical need. Recreational
hopefuls can find a state where the laws are relaxed. I hope that never happens
The first 2 comments are exactly right.If those opposed to prop 2
have to resort to lies and misinformation, then they have no real argument.
Present the truth, and let Utonians decide, instead of spinning yarns to
Vote for Prop 2 get it in law enacted, we can always amend the law later. Whats
amazing is any 14 year old can get a bag of weed so either have it safely
distributed by the state or get it off the street.
NO on Prop 2. Come up with a better solution.
Water Rocket, the current prop 2 allows pawn shops to dispense recreational
marijauna?? Where in the world are you getting your information. Prop 2 is not
about recreational marijauna. Having a family member that has major
health problems and uses opiods, I hope this "drug" will give her
In recent months I have travelled to Colorado, Nevada, California, and Oregon,
each of which has legalized recreational marijuana. Sure enough, there were
dispensaries, and even a little advertising. People outside my hotel in Vegas
were smoking both tobacco and pot. With very little effort, I could have
purchased pot, gone off somewhere, and gotten stoned. I chose not to. See how easy that can be?
Voting No on Prop 2. Like the efforts of legislators to create reasonable
medical marijuana laws.
We could, and should, treat marijuana like any other dangerous and controlled
prescription drug. But Prop 2 is just a pretext for normalizing pot use
and decriminalizing possession. It is a ruse. Vote "No".
Only those who are gullible and fall for sophistry will fall for Prop 2 and vote
yes.Don't be gullible.Don't fall for clever
sophistry.Vote NO on Prop 2.
Vote yes on 2, Keep the Legislatures's feet to the fire.
Just a little hint for those afraid that this will 'pave the way for
recreational'. We already have recreational. Anyone can get pot today if
they want. For teenagers it is easier to get MJ than it is to get alcohol*. I will be voting for the measure. I believe the prohibition of
cannabis was an idiotic failure and an affront to freedom. But we
all know that the Utah legislature will just change it anyway. They have no
respect for the people. *Alcohol is far more dangerous.
Proposition 2 is full of landmines, vote no. A competent proposition would
clearly utilize a proper approach to the vetting of its' use. During this
vetting process, it is not uncommon to approve use for studies allowing those
who truly have a need for it now to have controlled access under medical
supervision. Production and distribution can also be controlled. We are not
talking about over-the-counter medicines, here. Don't let emotional
sophistries ramrod this Trojan Horse through.
Kaysvillecougar wrote: "You could actually get your pediatrician to
prescribe pot for your teenager, with parental approval of course. " Absolutely great and exactly the way things should be. Parent and
doctor taking responsibility given the situation rather than the state
I don’t trust the state legislature to follow up with a compromise if the
proposition fails. They could just say the public doesn’t want it so
forget it.Those leaders who claim they will amend it are not even
running for re-election! Who listens to lame ducks?
I strongly, strongly suggest that we all vote NO for Prop 2 and let the new,
better version be made into law.
Since Prop 2 was viewed to be seriously flawed, but with (supposed) reassurance
that a compromise bill from all parties will be the actual bill that will be
used. However, if Prop 2 does pass, it seems to me that some sneaky people
might be tempted to claim that since Prop 2 had passed, then it should be made
law, regardless of previous agreements. I sure hope this doesn't happen,
since the current Prop 2 also allows pawn shops to dispense recreational
marijuana, and we all know how upstanding pawn shops are (not).
I'm amazed that there are so many Utahns who think prop. 2 is acceptable.
It sure would be great if people actually read what proposition 2 is. I thing
it's terrible for the state of Utah. If it passes, I hope the legislature
quickly changes it to go along with the established compromises that were just
made. I'm voting no for prop 2 because it has so many loopholes for
enforcement. It allows people to smoke pot. You could actually get your
pediatrician to prescribe pot for your teenager, with parental approval of
course. Doesn't that sound crazy to everyone. Read the proposition and then
I received an opposition flyer in the mail today, and it was almost insulting.
They try to scare Utahans by citing examples from Colorado which legalized
recreational marijuana. The people of Utah are smart enough to know the
difference. Prop 2 isn't recreational. Many of us know someone that could
benefit from medical cannabis. That is why the proposition has support.
Don't let the Politicians, UMA, and DSU bury this initiative with their
lies and misinformation. Vote Yes on Prop 2!