Women are being encouraged to express rage. Is this a good thing?

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  • EscherEnigma Ridgecrest, CA
    Oct. 16, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs
    When someone tells me they don't care if an assault happened or not, I'm going to believe them.

    So you want to tell me that what they really meant was they would only believe if they saw evidence? Well, for me to believe you over them is to assume that they were lying to make themselves sound *worse*. That just doesn't sound... what's the word... credible.

    So again. Republicans lined up and said they didn't care. You lack the credibility and evidence to substantiate them as a bunch of liars on this topic.

  • Broken Arrow Draper, UT
    Oct. 15, 2018 12:47 p.m.

    The only rage and anger I saw in the Kavanaugh hearing was from Judge K himself as he attempted to shift blame by becoming totally unhinged and claiming that his drinking problem was the norm for everyone, even for those questioning him. For the rest of his life, Judge Kavanaugh will be remembered as the out of control screamer who loves beer above everything else. These days have been described in prophecy.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Oct. 15, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    NO....NO......NO!!!!!!!

  • windsor Logan, UT
    Oct. 15, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    "There are enough women who are coarse;
    we need women who are kind.
    "There are enough women who are rude;
    we need women who are refined.
    We have enough women of fame and fortune;
    we need more women of faith.
    We have enough greed;
    we need more goodness.
    We have enough vanity;
    we need more virtue.
    We have enough popularity;
    we need more purity."

    Yes, women need to stand up for themselves.
    But the pendulum is swinging too far in some respects.
    The pictures and words I saw of the 'women's march' in Utah was troubling and embarrassing, let alone much of what was seen in the national women's march.

    The abuse a pregnant friend suffered at the hands of other women (not just verbal abuse but physical assault) who tired to march in the in one in Washington DC was appalling and embarrassing.

    Some women who feel 'empowered' abuse that power.

  • kbee Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 15, 2018 8:19 a.m.

    Look at the really great examples of women controlling their anger and rage to have a productive conversation - Michelle Obama and Susan Collins. They have character. Any human being can choose to have self control under extreme circumstances. If they can, we can.

  • kbee Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 15, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    Raging can often reflect narcissism in an individual. Raging can also reflect frustration and a feeling of not being heard on a perceived or actual injustice. Rage will never ever lead to a true conversation with actual listening involved. Raging show a loss of self control and can often lead to violence. But Anger, when controlled, can lead to productive change. Anger is not the enemy. Raging and a lack of control verbally and physically is the enemy of empathy and love. Attacking a person verbally or physically should never be part of our nation which values free speech. Mobs should never be part of our society. Our lives are flawed, people are flawed and some people are even wanting to stir the rage to gain power on both sides of politics. Eric Holder's, Maxine Water's, and Hillary's statements promoting violence or incivility should not be. Trump's uncivil tweets are wrong.The floodgate is open.My greatest concern is our freedoms, our constitution and what out of control rage our children will face in their lives including wars and anarchy. I hope we are wise enough to be more like our grandparents from the greatest generation of civility who defended freedom around the world.

  • Scott3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    This pro-anger movement isn't new. Believe me, my wife was a pioneer of it decades ago.

  • Glenn101 Seven Springs, NC
    Oct. 12, 2018 7:07 p.m.

    Showing controlled anger/resentment/frustration against injustice is okay and understandable. Blind, unreasoning rage is unproductive and more often destructive. That type of rage does not allow an opposing opinion. It does not allow for the legitimate expression concerns by those against whom the rage is directed. And, unless venting rage is the real object, that rage is self defeating because it impedes the realization of stated goals.

    Glenn

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 12, 2018 11:03 a.m.

    @EscherEnigma:

    "@Cougsndawgs
    "[…] why do they make the [logical] leap to suggest defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR abuser?"

    No it is not logical. It is a converse accident fallacy and more specifically an ad populum fallacy. You are taking the specific case of Judge Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford (where no corroborating or substantive evidence was found) and applying it generally to all cases of abuse or sexual misconduct because of perceived injustice in other cases. It doesn't take a degree in philosophy to conclude such generalizations make absolutely no sense. It does, however, exemplify what I'm talking about is wrong with the Democratic Party right now...hysterics and subjective feelings supersede facts, logic, and the rule of law.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:40 p.m.

    Meanwhile, the Church has counseled women to take ten days away from social media.

    We can talk about whether women's anger and indignation are a productive addition to our political climate, but it sure is interesting how this prescribed break comes shortly before a hotly constested election---in which many women have a lot to be angry about!

    Would we feel the same if women were urged to take a ten-day break from reading the newspaper or watching TV news?

  • EscherEnigma Ridgecrest, CA
    Oct. 11, 2018 3:33 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs
    "[…] why do they make the [logical] leap to suggest defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR abuser?"
    Probably the many Republican politicians who said that even if Kavanaugh did it, he should still be confirmed, along with the multiple polls showing huge amounts of Republican voters that agreed.

    @2 bits
    "If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved"
    Every state has a stockpile of untested rape kits because, even when it's reported, no one cares enough to actually investigate. Go look at the report on Catholic abuses out of Pennsyvania. Kids reported it when it happened, and they were variously not believed, blamed for it, or told to bite their tongue so as not to embarass the Church.

    There's a reason folks don't report.

  • Uteofferouus Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 12:18 p.m.

    You go women - get angry and hateful and bully your way into respect and prominence. What a great formula for success!

    Or alternatively, apply your God given intelligence and talents in a pointed and respectful manner and see what happens.

    These belligerent citizens and politicians that are promoting rage and anger as a way to win over the hearts of the American electorate are sadly mistaken. However, if for a season women buy into that negative approach, we will experience a dark time in America until sounder intellects prevail and we go into damage control mode.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    The thoughts and insights that made the most sense in the column were these:

    “Not only is getting angry and hateful not the right way to do things; it’s not effective,” Glenn said. “Hate fuels more hate, anger fuels more anger. Until we can see each other as human beings and treat each other with deep respect, we’re never going to heal this rift.”
    Instead of vying for the right to be angry like men, women should be encouraging men and women to find other ways of solving disputes". A possible exception to the forgoing is when someone is being viciously attacked by dishonest attackers.

    Justice Kavanaugh had every right to be defensive after his good name and his family had been dragged for days through the mud! He was being attacked by unsubstantiated and uncorroborated accusations by a bunch of angry Democrat Senators (especially by Kamala Harris and Cory Booker). Anyone in their right mind could see he was defending himself - if there was ever a time for some justified anger that was the time.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    @RiDal -- I am not sure your position; you posted a quote and attributed to Atticus Finch.

    The quote makes it sound as if Atticus was taking the same side that the #MeToo and the Dr. Ford camp were taking.

    But, while it has been many years since I read To Kill a Mockingbird, I am 100% positive that Atticus Finch was the attorney that was defending the man who was falsely accused; not the one prosecuting.

    Even physically protecting the man and upholding justice by ensuring that the right of the accused to a fair and unbiased trial was held; protecting him from than the vigilante justice of the day which was death by hanging.

    So, while I don't remember that specific quote, if it was really in there; you must have taken it completely out of context; because Atticus would have been on Kavanaugh's side, not Ford's in this recent argument.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 11, 2018 10:17 a.m.

    @ Go Utes

    "...society asks that the victim...come forward at a time when it can be adequately proved."

    If this were true, would you expect that sexual assault would be one of the most under-reported crimes there is? Because that's the case. So let’s look at some examples that might reflect the actual message females are getting:

    A Senate panel of powerful men interrogate a young woman brave enough to come forward with claims of sexual harassment against a SCOTUS nominee and they not only question her character and motives, but fail to hear the testimony of other witnesses with corroborating stories.

    A man brags about repeated instances of grabbing the genitals of females or walking in on teen girls undressing and gets elected to the highest office of the land.

    A 2015 news report found that tens of thousands of rape kits have gone unprocessed in over 1,100 police agencies across the nation.

    These are just a few, and recent, examples. Can you honestly say the message they convey is "Come forward and report. We'll take you seriously."

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 11, 2018 8:37 a.m.

    Mad Hatter:
    "Let's get honest and stop with the Fox talking points. Conservative men don't like having their power challenged, and that is what this is all about.

    The Republican Party...is now a minority party dominated and controlled by an element previously repellent to the Party. It has become ruled primarily by the myth of white victimization."

    So you refute the comments of those living in the "Fox bubble" and the "myth" of "white victimization" by using the talking points of the MSNBC bubble...got it. Listen to yourself...you sound like Rachel Maddow's writer.

    FWIW, the reason I'm independent is that BOTH parties are being controlled by repellent elements. I miss the days of classic liberals who cared about free speech and individual rights...instead now, moderate liberals are being disenfranchised by the hysteria and hyperbole of identity politics taking the Democratic Party hostage. I left the GOP for the same reason (and I'm not alone) when it was taken hostage by the minority hardline, nearly alt-right voices of some in the Tea Party. Independent voters now make up a larger percentage of voters than either (D) or (R)...there's a reason for that.

  • Mackenzie Iwamoto Bronx, NY
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:52 p.m.

    David - Centerville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    "Trump does not reflect the Right . . . is clearly a Leftist when it comes to governing."

    Does Donald Trump have an ideology? Perhaps he is neither Left or Right, but is transactional, meaning he does whatever he needs to win. Trump's political views are whatever is good for Trump. His conservative judicial appointments are to appease his base supporters, give them what they want and keep them loyal.

    You'll need to explain his "Leftist" style of governing. Being a demagogue and authoritarian is not Leftist. Neither is it conservative. But it does have more to do with conservatism since every dictatorship is basically a "conservative" political ideology toward maintaining power.

    If Trump could get his way by appeasing Democrats, he would do that. But Democrats and Independents don't want a tyrant as their leader. Trump's style is to disrupt and destroy then follow up by building whatever is in his self-interest. That's why he is so divisive. He's not a builder. He doesn't care if 52+% of the American people are against him. He doesn't need them when he can get his way by other means.

    Trump's governing style is "Do it my way."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:26 p.m.

    I hope they run, and I hope they vote.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 5:35 p.m.

    @ eastcoastcoug

    "How in the world is any woman going to bring a concern forward if you all want indefatigable proof of a rape?"

    By bringing the concern forward much sooner than 36 years after the fact. The problem with 36 year old allegations is that you just can't prove it one way or the other. I have never experienced the horror of being sexually assaulted. I'm sure coming forward in the aftermath of that is one of the hardest things to do. But in order to have justice, society asks that the victim do a harm thing and indeed come forward at a time when it can be adequately proved. Corroborating witnesses and other evidence is much more reliable in the months following the alleged event than 36 years later.

    This is why the vote ended on strict party lines. There was not enough evidence either way, so everyone deferred to their ideological preferences. What else is there to do with allegations this old? A gut feeling after listening to someone testify is not enough to go on.

    I applaud the "yes" voting senators for ensuring that we hold to the standard of "innocent until proven guilty." I do not want to live in country that takes the opposite approach.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 10, 2018 3:01 p.m.

    @ 2 bits

    "So... is your advice only to 'Ladies'?"

    Given that the article is about women and anger, why would you expect something else?

    "[W]hat do you mean by 'Take it to 'em'? That needs some explaining and clarifying I think."

    Precisely the reaction the article talks about. That’s funny.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    ...and yet poll after poll shows the most angry Americans, are white male republicans, sorry that's the stats, and talk radio is a primary infuser of this anger.

    Yep seems like the white male republican is so upset that their playbook has gotten into to the other gangs hands.

    Don't you folks know that white middle class men are the most picked on group in America, just ask them, they have nothing to back it up, but they have faith in talk radio, to tell them it's true.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    So you want to equate someone expressing "anger" after they are falsely accused of a terrible crime over 35 years ago (and resulting in total destruction of his career and persona reputation) with someone who is "angry" because people didnt believe her completely uncorroborated accusations?

    If you immediately believe Professor Ford then you have to immediately believe the Swetnic accuser who said she saw Kavanaugh participating in gang rapes. That is ridiculous.

    THe only negative thing that happened to her was some empty threats made to her personally, she became a hero to the extreme Liberal Democrats, and she made money through a large Go Fund Me account.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    @eastcoastcoug
    " If there's a shadow of a doubt on any job candidate, you move on. "
    _________________
    Yes, it is a "job interview", but due process, and "innocent until proven guilty" must apply, at least to a certain degree, even for a job interview (or in this case, a Supreme Court nomination). It's only reasonable.

    If not, then NOBODY would ever get appointed. Given the partisan nature of the nomination process lately, it would be super easy to bring forth a "shadow of a doubt" of any nomination, to the degree that we would never have another appointment. The Republicans would do it also, and would use it to obstruct a Democrat nomination if all that were needed were a "shadow of a doubt" - so take that into consideration. Due Process, The Constitution, etc. protects Democrats as well as Republicans.

    I do not believe Conservatives are looking for "indefatigable proof of a rape" - they just correctly wanted evidence, and Dr. Ford's testimony was lacking that evidence - there were way too many holes in her testimony - and the FBI didn't find any evidence corroborating her testimony neither.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    As I watched the final Senate vote to confirm Kavanaugh, at first there were some screaming women that sounded like children throwing a tantrum who continued to scream as they were being taken out of the meeting. But then there were some screams that were so shrill, so piercing, and continued to echo through the outer halls, that it sounded like an insane asylum.

    It was creepy.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    Eastcoastcoug,

    "Why is the Right alarmed then when the Left says 'enough' and starts to push back, especially women??"

    What context are you assuming the Left is responding to an abusive Right? It seems to me that the Left has abused, misused, manipulated, victimized, aggrandized, terrorized politics, dialogue and society to the point where the Right stood up for principles and here we are today.

    Granted, Trump does not reflect the Right. Sure he has selected Supreme Court nominees from the Right. But he does not reflect conservative values, governing styles, or principles. He is clearly a Leftist when it comes to governing.

    So we have the Left that has bullied for years. The right finally rallies, and the Left accuses the Right of all kinds of abuses.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 1:27 p.m.

    It’s perfectly legitimate for democrats, especially the liberal feminists to shriek and accuse conservatives of misogyny and racism and it gets all the attention and praise from the left wing media like it’s some kind of superior virtue. Just look at how those angry women confronted senator Orrin Hatch and offended they were when he told them to grow up as if they are entitled to their uncontrolled rage.
    Thanks to political correctness, men have been reduced to weaklings and villains. In Hollywood they are replacing heroic figures such as Batman, Superman, the ghostbusters, etc with female roles to unrealistically make women more aggressive than their nature would dictate.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 10, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    Well, well. We have all forgotten our good manners since Conference just a few days ago.

    What I get out of most of these posts is that is many, many members of the Church (you wouldn't be reading the DNews unless you had some connection) think that any woman who tries to stand up for herself is doing a bad thing. A woman who tries to speak up about an appointee for the highest legal job in the land is lying. Any woman who dares to be upset about such things is absolutely crazy and should be shut down.

    I encourage people to think twice about what they post here and whether they are speaking out of partisan loyalty or genuine human empathy, and think about who might be reading. Would you be proud to vent this way in front of your daughters, wives and granddaughters? How about women investigating the Church?

    Seems we shoot off our mouths way to easily for a group that claims to be Christian. Or maybe we're just partisan first...

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 10, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    There is soooooo much hypocrisy on the part of so-called 'Conservatives'. I say so-called because we are the party now of raging lunacy, from Trump to Rush, Hannity, Levin, Jones, Carlson, Bannon et al who have made rage part of our daily diet.

    Why is the Right alarmed then when the Left says 'enough' and starts to push back, especially women??

    I don't think rage solves anything and I don't think it's playing to women's strengths which is their ability to listen and understand and constructively solve problems. No one effectively solves anything who is raging.

    A man raging is just being a man. A woman raging is crazy. Not fair.

    And let's just stop with this nonsense about 'innocent until proven guilty' and 'no corroborating evidence' RE Ford. Kavanaugh wasn't on trial, he was applying for the most important legal job in the USA. If there's a shadow of a doubt on any job candidate, you move on. We have no proof Dr. Ford was lying so save the false anger, people. How in the world is any woman going to bring a concern forward if you all want indefatigable proof of a rape?

  • Nedric boise, ID
    Oct. 10, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    I don't understand how "rage" can be used as something positive other than as a metaphor for Mao Tse Tung when he said, "all political power comes from the barrel of a gun." Is this the what he want?

    In Proverbs 14:1 we read, "Every wise woman (or man I suppose) buildeth her (or his) house: but the foolish plucketh it down with their own hands."

    Proverbs 15:1, A "soft" answer turneth away wrath; but "grievous" words stir up anger." Is this what we want?

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    The title and pictures are worth a thousand words. "Women are being encouraged to express rage." Then the pictures show one of the two parties--who's life has been turned upside down, showing the picture of calmness and courage and the other sneering, pouting, puffing up and raging like a schoolboy. Guess which was which?

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 12:43 p.m.

    Interesting that Christine could remember having one beer 36 years ago but couldn't remember if she gave her therapist notes to a Washington Post reporter two weeks prior...NOT CREDIBLE!

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Oct. 10, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    “This is what life is: Fear, rage, desire... love. To stop feeling emotions, to stop wanting to feel them, is to feel death. I take everything I'm feeling, everything that matters to me... I push all of it into my fist, and I fight for it.” - Sun Bak, Sense8

    I spent many years being passive, behaving, going along to get along, following the rules.

    When I finally started fighting to who I am and what I value I found purpose, direction, and satisfaction.

    I tend to spend time with others who are willing to take their anger and use it to fuel action to cause change in society.

    As Laurel Thatch Ulrich wrote, “Well behaved women rarely make history.”

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    Not surprising that this is all the Dems can come up with for their party platform. I have yet to hear any sensible rhetoric of what that party now stands for.

    The truth? Its a double standard. If men did this rage thing they would be condemned, accused of abuse and required to take anger classes or possibly even thrown in the slammer for what some women are doing. If women do it, they are justified and praised for it.

  • cougar engineer Alpine, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    You can take out you rage by howling at the moon and snapping at every one and every thing, or--you can channel it like Senator Collins and with sharp intellect and point by point examination, marshall up all the facts and make your case.
    If you do the former you will eventually be put down in failure like the rabid dog you emulate!
    If you do the latter, you will succeed and be a recognized heroine!
    A word to the wise should be sufficient.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:52 a.m.

    "We even saw this with the Tea Party movement with its overtly racist element "

    The narrative that Tea Party members (and by extension, conservatives, including Latter-day Saints) are racist is one of the pernicious lies told by the identity-politics left. Don't fall for it.

    Latter-day Saints long for the day when identity politics has been vanquished, when there are no longer "any manner of -ites," and when Lucifer, "the accuser of our brethren," is cast down. Let us all remember how that is to be accomplished: by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their [the brethren's] testimony.

    See Elder Renlund's conference talk for more on Lucifer as "the accuser."

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Anger, can and should be controlled by both men and women, but it is not wrong to feel anger. A feeling of anger is the correct response to some things. If it didn't make a person (man or woman) angry that injustice occurs, you would wonder about their morality.

    How we respond to our anger is what matters. If anger causes us to hurt others, that is not good, but if anger causes us to take action to bring about change or to prevent injustice, then good can come of it.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    @GaryO:

    "GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:50 a.m.
    Re: "Women are being encouraged to express rage. Is this a good thing"
    No, of course it's not a good thing.
    Women should just submit."

    No, they should not. No one should submit to injustice.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    Any woman who isn't enraged and furious about the way we handle sexual assault cases in this country is either not paying attention or is incredibly timid.

    I wish the right-wingers would be equally enraged by the same reality, but so far, I haven't see much sign of it. If these comments are any indication, the thing that really gets the old conservatives' goat is a woman voicing her anger loudly and clearly. In my view, if we listen up and treat sexual assault seriously, we won't have to worry so much about the scary problem of female anger.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    Considering the oppression of woman since the beginning of time and the recent shenanigans of an unmentioned American political party, woman are past due the right to demand we listen and accept their outrage.....

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:16 a.m.

    "What about men who experience abuse?"

    What kind of abuse? In this thread, it appears that the "abuse" of which you speak is the "abuse of having their authority challenged". Let's get honest and stop with the Fox talking points. Conservative men don't like having their power challenged, and that is what this is all about.

    It may be asking too much for those living in the Fox bubble, but those raising their voices about white, male victimization will be getting their answer in four weeks. This whole "outrage" against "professional protestors" funded by a "Jewish billionaire" has one purpose, to get the Trump voter to the polls and maintain the divide that the Trump administration encourages.

    The Republican Party, unfortunately is no longer the Party of measured change based on sound ideas. It is now a minority party dominated and controlled by an element previously repellent to the Party. It has become ruled primarily by the myth of white victimization as evident by many of the comments here. Non-violent protest becomes "mob rule" and is not to be tolerated, Women have "forgotten" their place and need to be quiet.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    Storm3033 posits that the whole confirmation fiasco was "orchestrated and played well by the GOP to inflame and consume any other relevant information..."

    I struggle with that explanation. Kavanaugh had already endured six weeks of review and was on his way to confirmation when Feinstein pulled the Hail Mary letter from her purse and started three more weeks of nastiness.

    The only thing the GOP orchestrated was a patient defense of the nominee. It was the Democrat party that created a late-hit strategy which backfired.

    Lindsay Graham's rebuke on national TV will go down in history as one of the Senate's greatest hits.

    Meanwhile, all rookie prosecutors will study Booker and Harris as examples of failed badgering that turns against your effort.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:16 a.m.

    @Karen R. - Houston, TX
    RE: "Focus, think, and analyze, ladies. And then take it to 'em!"...
    ---
    So... is your advice only to "Ladies"?

    What about men who experience abuse?

    And what do you mean by "Take it to 'em"? That needs some explaining and clarifying I think. Otherwise some may get the wrong idea of what "take it to em" means, and take it to a level you didn't intend.

    "Take it to 'em" was what skinhead and Antifa leaders told their people to do in Charlottesville. We know how that ended up. Not good.

    Take it to em... is vague. What do you mean? People may get the wrong idea, and we don't want that, do we?

    ===

    @Millenial Snow
    RE: "A woman has to deal with being smaller and less able to protect herself her whole life"...
    ---
    You make a good case for women's right to bear arms for self protection.

    A weapon can be an equalizer when you are smaller or weaker. If women are forced to be unarmed by well meaning anti-gun people, then she has no equalizer against a bigger/stronger man trying to attack her. Just showing it may stop an approaching attacker. Only using it as a last resort.

    We can't make women bigger. But we can allow them to protect themselves.

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    We're seeing a lot of white men express their dismay with women for expressing their concerns about mistreatment. Apparently these men think that whatever injustice they experienced in their lives should be put on the back shelf and forgotten. They forget the issue at hand, whether a man with a history of heavy drinking and sexual assault should be on the Supreme Court is a valid reason for protest. Instead, they take the approach that anything that occurred years ago is null and void and has nothing to do with a fellow man's character development. On top of that, they seem to feel that the overt partisan position of the nominee is irrelevant as long as he is one of them.

    It's the same political sport that we have seen over many years taken to a higher level because of the issue. The divide-and-conquer mentality of Donald Trump goes completely against our values that, at bottom, we are all Americans. For Trump, this is not true. There is "Us" and there is "Them" and "Them" are the enemy.

    So let's see how this plays out? In 2013 Republicans attempted to make their Party relevant to people of Spanish descent. Now they need to find a way to make it relevant to women before 2020.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    If you want to see anger, keep falsely accusing men of sex crimes on national television and then say "judicial temperament" if they dare defend themselves . If you want to see anger, keep telling white men their opinion doesn't matter because they're part of an oppressive patriarchy. If you want to see anger, keep telling us we're all racist bigot sexist homophobes every time we suggest something as sensible as due process. If you want to see anger, keep saying stuff like "America was never great." I've been a registered independent for the last decade, but the Democrats have just about convinced me with their ridiculous incivility that it's time to register as a Republican again.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:14 a.m.

    Anger is natural, but these ladies are encouraging misplaced anger. They want women to be angry at other people, specifically males, that have done them no harm. They are saying, "if you have been angry about a perceived or actual abuse in the past, be angry about anyone one else making similar allegations, with or without any supporting proof."

    Being angry about sexual abuse is natural, and most of us get angry when we hear of the abuse, but as a society, most of us have moved beyond mob-justice of the 1800's. These ladies want the USA justice system to revert to the wild-wild west, especially when have the allegations are against males. Our justice system has its problems, but it is still better then anywhere else in the world.

    Every case is different, and not every male is a potential rapist.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    Anger. It is unpersuasive to me, whether being exhibited by a man or a woman. It typically shows a lack of control, or at the very lease, a lack of ability to better express thoughts. There are ways to express passionate, deep feelings about something other than through anger.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Oct. 10, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    The headlines appearing in the DesNews for this stories of protest are getting more bizarre. Women "being encouraged to express rage" is far different from women expressing protest against a perceived injustice. The Constitution protects an individual's right to express grievance. We even saw this with the Tea Party movement with its overtly racist element confronting congresspeople at public meeting, screaming and yelling in much the same way as Republicans are accusing Democratic and Independent women today.

    This is the new Republican strategy to arouse the base and turn them out for the Fall election. However, it is the demagoguery and divisiveness that we have come to expect with the Trump administration. With the full-throated encouragement by Fox News propagandists, we are seeing congressional Republicans hit on all the talking points that are being repeated through its attack on women and the repeated victimization of angry, old, white men.

    Playing on the primal fears of the Trump base, we see the efforts to the 32% working to make the rest of us the enemy in their nightmare. It's interesting to watch as these tactics take hold and turn neighbor against neighbor.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    No, Deseret News, current events are not "overly speculative." It's not at all difficult to find published reports of leftist mob violence and assassination attempts (one nearly successful) on Republican members of congress.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    --
    If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved.
    --

    Perhaps you live in a different world than I, or, in the case of 50 years back, attended a different church school than I, but if a high school girl reported an unwanted sexual advance, under any circumstances, she would be the one under investigation, and further the boys locker room would have been filled with how 'easy' she was to be in such a compromised situation.

    That has continued to this day. The character assassination machinery went into operation as soon as Ford's letter was announced, despite it being anonymous at first, then high gear when a name was given.

    The Confirmation Hearing was not a trial, it was a job interview, and if one can not obtain information about a candidate for fitness in the job, one should terminate the interview.

    For anyone who has had a security clearance background check, they have to have their life and character examined, and explain any element that is questionable.

    Why should a candidate for the Supreme Court be treated otherwise.

  • storm3033 Vernal, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:41 a.m.

    The handling of the Christine Blasey Ford aspect of the Supreme Court job interview of Brett Kavanaugh was orchestrated and played well by the GOP to inflame and consume any other relevant information that needed to be answered by Kavanaugh. There were many unresolved issues that Kavanaugh needed to answer for and were swept to the side. If you think this is a wild swing to whataboutism then take the blinders off. Both parties milked this issue although with different agendas. There was never any other outcome for this nomination, at the very dire VPresident Pence would have broken the tie. It would have been much less divisive if the GOP and the nominee had responded in a more respectful less condescending way, particularly in a less angry way coming back to the point? of this article.

  • Husker2 Aurora, MN
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:39 a.m.

    Rage and anger are two very different things. Rage is typically defined as an uncontrollable anger. How will this help women and bring this country together? I can understand women being angry and driven by that anger. Rage is counterproductive.

  • RWOFVA RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    Its nearly impossible to remove political biases from many new too discussions. I'm sure a huge majority of people agree on much over the good brought about by the me too movement, but those agreements suddenly disappear when the outcome of the issues involves political control.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    "Some radicals are working on all but #9 currently, and I've heard some radical feminists advocate for that as well."

    Sorry, but I doubt any conservatives have been close enough to listed to anything a feminist has to say or are concerned about.

    Caught on video at Trump's hate rallies is his Supporters punching people who protest him.

    First casualty of Trump promotion of hate was Heather Heyer, 32, a legal assistant from Virginia, who was one of 20 people struck by vehicle driven into a crowd of counter-protesters.

    Fact is conservatives have already landed on #9.

  • Millenial Snow Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 10:31 a.m.

    It is if they have something to be angry about.

    Like being raped or assaulted.

    A woman has to deal with being smaller and less able to protect herself her whole life. Walking alone at night. In parking garages. At concerts. At work. It's ok to address these things in a public sphere. It brings awareness to things that might be swept over otherwise.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:53 a.m.

    With all the encouraging anger and rage by radical feminists... they are well along their way towards something bad.

    Google "The Ten Stages of Genocide by Dr. Gregory Stanton"...

    It's short (one page). Every person encouraging rage and anger towards a specific race, gender, religion, whatever, should read it.

    The stages are:
    1. Classification
    2. Symbolization
    3. Discrimination
    4. Dehumanization
    5. Organization
    6. Polarization
    7. Preparation
    8. Persecution
    9. Extermination
    10. DENIAL

    Some radicals are working on all but #9 currently, and I've heard some radical feminists advocate for that as well.

    Google "Scum Manifesto - Wikipedia"

    This manifesto was written by radical feminists in the 1960s. So this goes way back.

    It argues that men have ruined the world, and that it is up to women to fix it. To achieve this goal, it suggests the formation of "SCUM", an organization dedicated to overthrowing society and eliminating the male sex.

    Anger, vengeance, rage... are rarely good motivations. It's not a good thing. It's not something to be encouraged.

  • Sutton Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:53 a.m.

    2bits

    "If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved."

    I understand the sentiment of, "report early"... But early reporting is also manipulated to go against the woman, and help the man.

    The Girl that Stanford Swimmer Brock Turner attacked reported it within 24 hours, she even had an eye witness....

    He was still let go cause the judge , a man, didn't want to ruin his life...

  • omahahusker Modesto, CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    When I was young and misbehaved, my mother used a 24 in hardwood ruler, sometimes in a rage. Not a positive experience for either person.

    From God's perspective that has been previously quoted in scripture it's not proper. Modern psychology and the medical community teaches it's not healthy either.

    Sen Warren wants to be the photo child of women's anger. Is that the image of the modern American woman we teach our children to admire and look up to? I think not.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    HSTucker commented: "My dear brothers and sisters, the assaults of the adversary are increasing exponentially, in intensity and in variety." -- President Russell M. Nelson 7 Oct 2018

    ..and then a selected quote from Hillary, how predictable.

    Well Donald has suggested worse on individuals, groups and nations in his little temper tantrum tweets. But yeah a strong women is definitely speaking for the adversary, and who can forget his number one hit:
    "I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
    Grab ’em by the *anything. You can do anything. "

    If there's an adversary, he's got a great spokesperson in Donald, as he has many who claim to be religious, worshipping his every thought.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:30 a.m.

    @2bits "If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved."

    When a woman so reports she becomes the SUSPECT.

  • Illya Waterloo, Iowa
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:23 a.m.

    Anger over what?

    Angry because an accusation didn’t automatically derail a nominee in a staged event of political theater?

    More women graduate from college than men; more women go to graduate school than men. Women get the highest grades in school. They study more, they contribute more to their communities. In fact, we are rapidly losing an entire generation of men.

    My boss is a woman, her boss is a woman, and her boss is a woman. We haven’t hired a male middle managers in 10 years. My doctor is a woman. My state’s governor is a woman.

    Should men be angry?

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:20 a.m.

    It is good for anyone to be able to express anger they feel in appropriate ways. But, to rant and rave, scream and yell, and get in people's face are the least effective ways. A big turn off to most people. They can't hear your legitimate message past the ranting and raving, whining and exploding all over the place. How often do you really listen to your children when they act like that? How often do you want to listen to them when that is how they express their message.

    Women have a right to be angry when they are called liars, fake news, and other derogatory names when they have found the courage to report a sexual assault that has occurred. To then be demeaned, treated less than, and ridiculed especially by the president of the U.S. in front of the world is a terrible thing that should not be tolerated. It sends a strong message that no one cares about you or the traumatic event you went through whether man, woman, or child that was the victim. It is unAmerican, unChristian, uncivilized, and cruel. It can be worse than the abuse itself. It is not what America should be about.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    FTF- Your point about expressing rage is not correct. What is desired is for folks to express openly their resentment early, rather than to bottle it up until it becomes 'rage' and an outburst is triggered by some comparatively minor event. Rage normally is the result of the buildup of minor resentments unexpressed by the individual. Folks of both genders need to express their feelings early and often to avoid rage and its unfortunate results.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    @scrappy do "rage all you want... but don't complain when you can't find a man."

    Message here: to land a man be meek and submissive - to anything.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    Considering that for most of history women have been taught and encouraged to suppress their feelings I'm okay with it going the other way for awhile. Especially if that rage spurs action.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    "Rage" is not a good thing. Neither is "Revenge" or "Vengeance". I think God warned us against all of those.

    Now "Reporting"... IS a good thing.

    And I mean reporting it when it happens. Not 40 years later when you think it can be used for some political purpose.

    If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved.

    It would be SO much easier to get justice for the victim, and to deliver justice to the perpetrator.

    The good thing about the Me-Too movement is... it encourages people to report abuse when it happens.

    Where the Me-Too movement goes off the rails (IMO) is in encouraging women to relish rage, vengeance, and revenge. Even women who have not been victims of abuse are now experiencing rage, and taking it out on people. Sometimes innocent people.

    I don't accept the advice of the people writing books encouraging Rage. I will take the other advice. Advice like Vengeance is mine. Love one another. I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men".

    It shouldn't take 40 years to forgive.

    Encouraging people to embrace Rage, vengeance, and revenge... is overrated IMO.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    Prometheus Platypus:
    "But women being angry at being assaulted and or abused need to shut up and sit back down, don't be all emotional about your position in society as assigned by men."

    No, women being angry about being assaulted and/or abused need to continue to speak out against their assailants when the assault occurs and with corroborative facts in hand.

    Kavanaugh wasn't these women's sexual assailant and there's no evidence he was Dr. Ford's either, so why do they make the illogical leap to suggest defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR abuser? This is the problem. There are wholes in logic and corroborating evidence where righteous anger in this case seems misplaced. As the article suggested there are things today that women have a right to be angry about, supported by facts/evidence and objective analysis.

    As Karen R suggested from the article, focus, think, and analyze. There are absolutely social injustices against women we can all get behind...but unsupported allegations of sexual assault isn't one of them (innocent until proven guilty...it's bedrock and the day it starts to crumble we are truly in trouble).

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    Sorry Karen, I know you didn't grow up male, so you don't have my lived experiences, so I'll give you a pass on this one.

    Boys and men are very much "told when they may/may not be angry and how." I have instilled in my sons the very same thing that was hammered into me and every other boy in the United States--you never hit. Especially a girl. Even if a girl is attacking you, you don't hit. That's the epitome of unmanliness and will get you forever branded a pariah to society.

    It's called controlling your feelings, or at least your actions--that's what civilization is. And it happens to everyone, or there'd be no civilization.

  • EscherEnigma Ridgecrest, CA
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:54 a.m.

    Tell y'all what. When you start punishing men for being angry, I'll care about angry women.

    Cause where we currently stand? A man can get angry and get respect. A woman gets angry and gets demeaned.

    So you're scared at the idea of angry women? Then you gotta stop rewarding angry men. Until you do that, it's just rank hypocrisy, and that tends to make people... Oh, what's the word? Ah, yes. Angry.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    Re: "Women are being encouraged to express rage. Is this a good thing"

    No, of course it's not a good thing.

    Women should just submit.

    It says so in the Bible . . . And the Quran . . . And the Talmud.

    How much more proof do you need? Right Republicans??

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    Karen R:
    "Focus, think, and analyze, ladies...Do not apologize for being powerful."

    Karen, you and I have very different views politically. You're more liberal, I'm more conservative, but I absolutely agree with your assessment in this regard. I've always found your posts very thoughtful and insightful, even if I don't agree with them all. But your analysis here is spot on...focus, think, and analyze. Make sure the message is clear and has support from facts and research, then anger becomes righteous indignation which can be very powerful.

    As a husband of a strong, independent woman, and two intelligent young daughters I want them to have voices and to have power to use those voices for good. Thank you for your post, Karen.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:43 a.m.

    What an appropriate article right after the warnings of General Conference. If we can't see clearly the adversary's plan to use rage and contention to topple civilization, then we're blind.

    "My dear brothers and sisters, the assaults of the adversary are increasing exponentially, in intensity and in variety."
    -- President Russell M. Nelson 7 Oct 2018

    "You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about"
    -- Hillary Clinton 9 Oct 2018

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    "Sorry, Tom. The witness seems credible. She has obviously suffered a trauma, and we must believe all survivors." --Atticus Finch

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    This is a bit humorous as "news." A decade ago, when Trump was saying, "You're fired," Hillary Clinton was as shrill as a politician can be. Women in business leadership were often dubbed, "The Tiger Lady," and they were sent around the company to fire people.

    Remember the women burning bras?

    This "news" is about 50 years late.

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    To say this world has changed for the very worst in the last 15 years is the understatement of rh century

  • FTF Park City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    Always better to let rage be expressed than bottle it up until it explodes. This is something authoritarians never learn.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 8:05 a.m.

    Wait so when Kavanaugh wept about lifting weights at Todd's house, and cried about his Dad's yearly calendar reviews, and screamed in anger about conspiracy nonsense, he was a hero.

    But women being angry at being assaulted and or abused need to shut up and sit back down, don't be all emotional about your position in society as assigned by men.

    Sad but look at all the early comments by GOP men telling women not to be angry...it's just boy's being boys after all.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:45 a.m.

    No, women should just 'keep sweet' and continue to get run over. All so we can continue to elect (and appoint) misogynists.

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:45 a.m.

    @RBB "With no proof and no evidence, one has to wonder if the #metoo movement is dead.", yeah, except Bill Cosby is in prison and Harvey Weinstein is headed to trial. I think there has been quite a bit of evidence.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:39 a.m.

    Any uncontrolled emotion leads to trouble and unintended consequences. Remember the hymn : "School thy feelings, O my brother ( 'sister' works well, too ), … Passion shatters reasons tower, Makes the clearest vision blind. …" Everybody can feel anger; it's what we do then that divides humanity from inhumanity.

  • clasiklmuzikbiz Tulsa, OK
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:38 a.m.

    Rage. Yeh, the list is growing: seeing women scream at the sky, yell and scream during the confirmation hearing of a potential Supreme Court justice, threaten the potential justice and his family, scream and use all kinds of profane language at any and all things conservative, harass conservatives while they are in public, act the most foolish in behavior at a women's march with screaming, profanities, and wearing disgusting costumes, and if you aren't doing those things yourself, you are applauding those that do. If Satan wanted to use a tool to confuse society, that would be a good one.

  • Puukko Orem Orem, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:22 a.m.

    The pictures selected tell the story that's trying to be pushed.
    She's frail, innocent and hurt.
    He's a raving wild man.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 7:08 a.m.

    Rage, anger are unbecoming for everyone. Especially the current type being exhibited mostly by the left.

    Rage over unproven allegations by Ford isn't becoming either. If you are going to be mad, be mad about something that you can prove is wrong. Don't be mad just to be mad, or just because your gender is the same. Shrillness isn't the way to get your way. Just ask Susan Collins.

    If you accuse, you'd better be able to back it up with facts.

    I recall a certain historical figure who is revered by a good segment of the population said, in effect, "Love they neighbor as thyself". He also said, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

    We follow that, and life would be much better for all of us.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 10, 2018 6:51 a.m.

    Is expressing 'rage' ever helpful? In every situation I can think of, rage only causes hardening of positions and is never useful in solving problems. Emotional reactions surely make one feel better in the short term, but are rarely - if ever - of value in resolving any situation.

  • zeep Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 6:35 a.m.

    Rage for the sake of rage will not be good for anyone. Rage destroys. Rage tears down. Rage does not lead to a better, kinder, gentler world. That is what we are supposed to be working for isn't it? A better world? Rage will NOT get us there!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 10, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    "Plan how to best use the anger you feel. Focus, think and analyze..."

    Yes, this is how I think of it. Take it seriously and own it, but don't let it control you. Use it instead as a fuel source to enact the change that's needed, whether that's within oneself or in the world.

    But, yeah, the days of females being told when they may/may not be angry and how are coming to an end. At least a few generations of women now have been taught that they're entitled to be just as fully human as their male counterparts are.

    But let's also be cognizant of reality. It is true that anger in females is perceived differently - and negatively - than it is in males, particularly among older generations. So if they're who you're trying to influence...

    Focus, think, and analyze, ladies. And then take it to 'em! Do not apologize for being powerful.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 5:59 a.m.

    This is a wonderful, incisive, and thought-provoking article. It's a rare occasion when the media addresses issues of anger, what it is, and how it might be constructively controlled.
    Thanks for publishing it.

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 5:52 a.m.

    Abraham Lincoln said:

    “Quarrel not at all. No man resolved to make the most of himself can spare time for personal contention. … Better give your path to a dog than be bitten by him.”

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 5:32 a.m.

    2 Nephi 26:32
    32 And again, the Lord God hath commanded that men should not murder; that they should not lie; that they should not steal; that they should not take the name of the Lord their God in vain; that they should not envy; that they should not have malice; that they should not contend one with another; that they should not commit whoredoms; and that they should do none of these things; for whoso doeth them shall perish.

    Why is contention added to a list of things like murder, stealing and whoredoms?

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 12:55 a.m.

    Hey Democrats: This is something you really want to do. Make angry feminists the face of your party. It is genius! Trust me.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:33 p.m.

    Men AND women make mistakes in life, but we should guard against making all out war on the opposite gender. Both genders are interested in justice, but justice can not be served by crucifying either gender just to salve the hurt feelings of anyone.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:14 p.m.

    The left has become completely unhinged. Hillary Clinton is openly defending incivility. Maxine Waters is telling followers to harass political opponents. Ariel Dumas from the Colbert Show tweeted "Whatever happens, I'm just glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh's life." Feminist author Jill Filipovic tweeted instructions to women to “Divorce your Republican husbands.”

    These people would rather see the country go up in flames than not get their way.

    Tragic

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:49 p.m.

    Rage at what is the biggest question? Did something happen, are we mad just because or is there a legitimate reason?
    In this country one is innocent until proven guilty, which has worked well for a very long time. Is that the change they must want?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:26 p.m.

    Rage at what?

    36-year allegations with absolutely no corroborating evidence?

    Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

    Dems would have gone berserk if Republicans had done the exact same thing to a Dem nominee.

    What’s ironic is that many had already announced their opposition to Judge Kavanaugh before the hearings had even begun and long before the allegations were made public just before the vote.

    Unfortunately, this desperate smear campaign has cast a shadow on legitimate claims of sexual assault and real victims in the Me Too movement.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:13 p.m.

    With no proof and no evidence, one has to wonder if the #metoo movement is dead. If it's all about accusations, it's not helping. One has to wonder how Bill Clinton has escaped all this?