@CougsndawgsWhen someone tells me they don't care if an assault
happened or not, I'm going to believe them.So you want to tell
me that what they really meant was they would only believe if they saw evidence?
Well, for me to believe you over them is to assume that they were lying to make
themselves sound *worse*. That just doesn't sound... what's the
word... credible.So again. Republicans lined up and said they
didn't care. You lack the credibility and evidence to substantiate them as
a bunch of liars on this topic.
The only rage and anger I saw in the Kavanaugh hearing was from Judge K himself
as he attempted to shift blame by becoming totally unhinged and claiming that
his drinking problem was the norm for everyone, even for those questioning him.
For the rest of his life, Judge Kavanaugh will be remembered as the out of
control screamer who loves beer above everything else. These days have been
described in prophecy.
"There are enough women who are coarse; we need women who are kind.
"There are enough women who are rude; we need women who are
refined. We have enough women of fame and fortune; we need more
women of faith. We have enough greed; we need more goodness. We have enough vanity; we need more virtue. We have enough
popularity; we need more purity."Yes, women need to stand
up for themselves.But the pendulum is swinging too far in some respects.
The pictures and words I saw of the 'women's march' in Utah
was troubling and embarrassing, let alone much of what was seen in the national
women's march.The abuse a pregnant friend suffered at the hands
of other women (not just verbal abuse but physical assault) who tired to march
in the in one in Washington DC was appalling and embarrassing. Some
women who feel 'empowered' abuse that power.
Look at the really great examples of women controlling their anger and rage to
have a productive conversation - Michelle Obama and Susan Collins. They have
character. Any human being can choose to have self control under extreme
circumstances. If they can, we can.
Raging can often reflect narcissism in an individual. Raging can also reflect
frustration and a feeling of not being heard on a perceived or actual injustice.
Rage will never ever lead to a true conversation with actual listening involved.
Raging show a loss of self control and can often lead to violence. But Anger,
when controlled, can lead to productive change. Anger is not the enemy. Raging
and a lack of control verbally and physically is the enemy of empathy and love.
Attacking a person verbally or physically should never be part of our nation
which values free speech. Mobs should never be part of our society. Our lives
are flawed, people are flawed and some people are even wanting to stir the rage
to gain power on both sides of politics. Eric Holder's, Maxine
Water's, and Hillary's statements promoting violence or incivility
should not be. Trump's uncivil tweets are wrong.The floodgate is open.My
greatest concern is our freedoms, our constitution and what out of control rage
our children will face in their lives including wars and anarchy. I hope we are
wise enough to be more like our grandparents from the greatest generation of
civility who defended freedom around the world.
This pro-anger movement isn't new. Believe me, my wife was a pioneer of it
Showing controlled anger/resentment/frustration against injustice is okay and
understandable. Blind, unreasoning rage is unproductive and more often
destructive. That type of rage does not allow an opposing opinion. It does not
allow for the legitimate expression concerns by those against whom the rage is
directed. And, unless venting rage is the real object, that rage is self
defeating because it impedes the realization of stated goals.Glenn
] why do they make
the [logical] leap to suggest defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR
abuser?"No it is not logical. It is a converse accident fallacy
and more specifically an ad populum fallacy. You are taking the specific case of
Judge Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford (where no corroborating or substantive evidence was
found) and applying it generally to all cases of abuse or sexual misconduct
because of perceived injustice in other cases. It doesn't take a degree in
philosophy to conclude such generalizations make absolutely no sense. It does,
however, exemplify what I'm talking about is wrong with the Democratic
Party right now...hysterics and subjective feelings supersede facts, logic, and
the rule of law.
Meanwhile, the Church has counseled women to take ten days away from social
media.We can talk about whether women's anger and indignation
are a productive addition to our political climate, but it sure is interesting
how this prescribed break comes shortly before a hotly constested election---in
which many women have a lot to be angry about!Would we feel the same
if women were urged to take a ten-day break from reading the newspaper or
watching TV news?
] why do they make the [logical] leap to suggest
defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR abuser?"Probably the
many Republican politicians who said that even if Kavanaugh did it, he should
still be confirmed, along with the multiple polls showing huge amounts of
Republican voters that agreed.@2 bits"If we all reported
abuse when it happened... it would be so much better for everybody
involved"Every state has a stockpile of untested rape kits because,
even when it's reported, no one cares enough to actually investigate. Go
look at the report on Catholic abuses out of Pennsyvania. Kids reported it when
it happened, and they were variously not believed, blamed for it, or told to
bite their tongue so as not to embarass the Church.There's a
reason folks don't report.
You go women - get angry and hateful and bully your way into respect and
prominence. What a great formula for success!Or alternatively,
apply your God given intelligence and talents in a pointed and respectful manner
and see what happens.These belligerent citizens and politicians that
are promoting rage and anger as a way to win over the hearts of the American
electorate are sadly mistaken. However, if for a season women buy into that
negative approach, we will experience a dark time in America until sounder
intellects prevail and we go into damage control mode.
The thoughts and insights that made the most sense in the column were these: “Not only is getting angry and hateful not the right way to do
things; it’s not effective,” Glenn said. “Hate fuels more
hate, anger fuels more anger. Until we can see each other as human beings and
treat each other with deep respect, we’re never going to heal this
rift.”Instead of vying for the right to be angry like men, women
should be encouraging men and women to find other ways of solving disputes".
A possible exception to the forgoing is when someone is being viciously
attacked by dishonest attackers.Justice Kavanaugh had every right to
be defensive after his good name and his family had been dragged for days
through the mud! He was being attacked by unsubstantiated and uncorroborated
accusations by a bunch of angry Democrat Senators (especially by Kamala Harris
and Cory Booker). Anyone in their right mind could see he was defending himself
- if there was ever a time for some justified anger that was the time.
@RiDal -- I am not sure your position; you posted a quote and attributed to
Atticus Finch.The quote makes it sound as if Atticus was taking the
same side that the #MeToo and the Dr. Ford camp were taking.But,
while it has been many years since I read To Kill a Mockingbird, I am 100%
positive that Atticus Finch was the attorney that was defending the man who was
falsely accused; not the one prosecuting.Even physically protecting
the man and upholding justice by ensuring that the right of the accused to a
fair and unbiased trial was held; protecting him from than the vigilante justice
of the day which was death by hanging.So, while I don't
remember that specific quote, if it was really in there; you must have taken it
completely out of context; because Atticus would have been on Kavanaugh's
side, not Ford's in this recent argument.
@ Go Utes"...society asks that the victim...come forward at a
time when it can be adequately proved."If this were true, would
you expect that sexual assault would be one of the most under-reported crimes
there is? Because that's the case. So let’s look at some examples
that might reflect the actual message females are getting:A Senate
panel of powerful men interrogate a young woman brave enough to come forward
with claims of sexual harassment against a SCOTUS nominee and they not only
question her character and motives, but fail to hear the testimony of other
witnesses with corroborating stories.A man brags about repeated
instances of grabbing the genitals of females or walking in on teen girls
undressing and gets elected to the highest office of the land.A 2015
news report found that tens of thousands of rape kits have gone unprocessed in
over 1,100 police agencies across the nation.These are just a few,
and recent, examples. Can you honestly say the message they convey is "Come
forward and report. We'll take you seriously."
Mad Hatter:"Let's get honest and stop with the Fox talking
points. Conservative men don't like having their power challenged, and that
is what this is all about. The Republican Party...is now a minority
party dominated and controlled by an element previously repellent to the Party.
It has become ruled primarily by the myth of white victimization."So you refute the comments of those living in the "Fox bubble" and the
"myth" of "white victimization" by using the talking points of
the MSNBC bubble...got it. Listen to yourself...you sound like Rachel
Maddow's writer. FWIW, the reason I'm independent is that
BOTH parties are being controlled by repellent elements. I miss the days of
classic liberals who cared about free speech and individual rights...instead
now, moderate liberals are being disenfranchised by the hysteria and hyperbole
of identity politics taking the Democratic Party hostage. I left the GOP for the
same reason (and I'm not alone) when it was taken hostage by the minority
hardline, nearly alt-right voices of some in the Tea Party. Independent voters
now make up a larger percentage of voters than either (D) or (R)...there's
a reason for that.
David - Centerville, UTOct. 10, 2018 2:17 p.m."Trump does
not reflect the Right . . . is clearly a Leftist when it comes to
governing."Does Donald Trump have an ideology? Perhaps he is
neither Left or Right, but is transactional, meaning he does whatever he needs
to win. Trump's political views are whatever is good for Trump. His
conservative judicial appointments are to appease his base supporters, give them
what they want and keep them loyal.You'll need to explain his
"Leftist" style of governing. Being a demagogue and authoritarian is not
Leftist. Neither is it conservative. But it does have more to do with
conservatism since every dictatorship is basically a "conservative"
political ideology toward maintaining power.If Trump could get his
way by appeasing Democrats, he would do that. But Democrats and Independents
don't want a tyrant as their leader. Trump's style is to disrupt and
destroy then follow up by building whatever is in his self-interest. That's
why he is so divisive. He's not a builder. He doesn't care if 52+% of
the American people are against him. He doesn't need them when he can get
his way by other means.Trump's governing style is "Do it my
I hope they run, and I hope they vote.
@ eastcoastcoug"How in the world is any woman going to bring a
concern forward if you all want indefatigable proof of a rape?"By bringing the concern forward much sooner than 36 years after the fact. The
problem with 36 year old allegations is that you just can't prove it one
way or the other. I have never experienced the horror of being sexually
assaulted. I'm sure coming forward in the aftermath of that is one of the
hardest things to do. But in order to have justice, society asks that the
victim do a harm thing and indeed come forward at a time when it can be
adequately proved. Corroborating witnesses and other evidence is much more
reliable in the months following the alleged event than 36 years later. This is why the vote ended on strict party lines. There was not enough
evidence either way, so everyone deferred to their ideological preferences.
What else is there to do with allegations this old? A gut feeling after
listening to someone testify is not enough to go on. I applaud the
"yes" voting senators for ensuring that we hold to the standard of
"innocent until proven guilty." I do not want to live in country that
takes the opposite approach.
@ 2 bits"So... is your advice only to
'Ladies'?"Given that the article is about women and
anger, why would you expect something else?"[W]hat do you mean
by 'Take it to 'em'? That needs some explaining and clarifying I
think."Precisely the reaction the article talks about.
...and yet poll after poll shows the most angry Americans, are white male
republicans, sorry that's the stats, and talk radio is a primary infuser of
this anger.Yep seems like the white male republican is so upset that
their playbook has gotten into to the other gangs hands.Don't
you folks know that white middle class men are the most picked on group in
America, just ask them, they have nothing to back it up, but they have faith in
talk radio, to tell them it's true.
So you want to equate someone expressing "anger" after they are falsely
accused of a terrible crime over 35 years ago (and resulting in total
destruction of his career and persona reputation) with someone who is
"angry" because people didnt believe her completely uncorroborated
accusations? If you immediately believe Professor Ford then you
have to immediately believe the Swetnic accuser who said she saw Kavanaugh
participating in gang rapes. That is ridiculous.THe only negative
thing that happened to her was some empty threats made to her personally, she
became a hero to the extreme Liberal Democrats, and she made money through a
large Go Fund Me account.
@eastcoastcoug" If there's a shadow of a doubt on any job
candidate, you move on. "_________________Yes, it is a "job
interview", but due process, and "innocent until proven guilty" must
apply, at least to a certain degree, even for a job interview (or in this case,
a Supreme Court nomination). It's only reasonable.If not, then
NOBODY would ever get appointed. Given the partisan nature of the nomination
process lately, it would be super easy to bring forth a "shadow of a
doubt" of any nomination, to the degree that we would never have another
appointment. The Republicans would do it also, and would use it to obstruct a
Democrat nomination if all that were needed were a "shadow of a doubt" -
so take that into consideration. Due Process, The Constitution, etc. protects
Democrats as well as Republicans.I do not believe Conservatives are
looking for "indefatigable proof of a rape" - they just correctly wanted
evidence, and Dr. Ford's testimony was lacking that evidence - there were
way too many holes in her testimony - and the FBI didn't find any evidence
corroborating her testimony neither.
As I watched the final Senate vote to confirm Kavanaugh, at first there were
some screaming women that sounded like children throwing a tantrum who continued
to scream as they were being taken out of the meeting. But then there were some
screams that were so shrill, so piercing, and continued to echo through the
outer halls, that it sounded like an insane asylum. It was creepy.
Eastcoastcoug,"Why is the Right alarmed then when the Left says
'enough' and starts to push back, especially women??"What context are you assuming the Left is responding to an abusive Right? It
seems to me that the Left has abused, misused, manipulated, victimized,
aggrandized, terrorized politics, dialogue and society to the point where the
Right stood up for principles and here we are today.Granted, Trump
does not reflect the Right. Sure he has selected Supreme Court nominees from
the Right. But he does not reflect conservative values, governing styles, or
principles. He is clearly a Leftist when it comes to governing.So
we have the Left that has bullied for years. The right finally rallies, and the
Left accuses the Right of all kinds of abuses.
It’s perfectly legitimate for democrats, especially the liberal feminists
to shriek and accuse conservatives of misogyny and racism and it gets all the
attention and praise from the left wing media like it’s some kind of
superior virtue. Just look at how those angry women confronted senator Orrin
Hatch and offended they were when he told them to grow up as if they are
entitled to their uncontrolled rage. Thanks to political correctness, men
have been reduced to weaklings and villains. In Hollywood they are replacing
heroic figures such as Batman, Superman, the ghostbusters, etc with female roles
to unrealistically make women more aggressive than their nature would dictate.
Well, well. We have all forgotten our good manners since Conference just a few
days ago. What I get out of most of these posts is that is many,
many members of the Church (you wouldn't be reading the DNews unless you
had some connection) think that any woman who tries to stand up for herself is
doing a bad thing. A woman who tries to speak up about an appointee for the
highest legal job in the land is lying. Any woman who dares to be upset about
such things is absolutely crazy and should be shut down.I encourage
people to think twice about what they post here and whether they are speaking
out of partisan loyalty or genuine human empathy, and think about who might be
reading. Would you be proud to vent this way in front of your daughters, wives
and granddaughters? How about women investigating the Church? Seems
we shoot off our mouths way to easily for a group that claims to be Christian.
Or maybe we're just partisan first...
There is soooooo much hypocrisy on the part of so-called
'Conservatives'. I say so-called because we are the party now of
raging lunacy, from Trump to Rush, Hannity, Levin, Jones, Carlson, Bannon et al
who have made rage part of our daily diet. Why is the Right alarmed
then when the Left says 'enough' and starts to push back, especially
women??I don't think rage solves anything and I don't
think it's playing to women's strengths which is their ability to
listen and understand and constructively solve problems. No one effectively
solves anything who is raging. A man raging is just being a man. A
woman raging is crazy. Not fair.And let's just stop with this
nonsense about 'innocent until proven guilty' and 'no
corroborating evidence' RE Ford. Kavanaugh wasn't on trial, he was
applying for the most important legal job in the USA. If there's a shadow
of a doubt on any job candidate, you move on. We have no proof Dr. Ford was
lying so save the false anger, people. How in the world is any woman going to
bring a concern forward if you all want indefatigable proof of a rape?
I don't understand how "rage" can be used as something positive
other than as a metaphor for Mao Tse Tung when he said, "all political power
comes from the barrel of a gun." Is this the what he want? In
Proverbs 14:1 we read, "Every wise woman (or man I suppose) buildeth her (or
his) house: but the foolish plucketh it down with their own hands."Proverbs 15:1, A "soft" answer turneth away wrath; but
"grievous" words stir up anger." Is this what we want?
The title and pictures are worth a thousand words. "Women are being
encouraged to express rage." Then the pictures show one of the two
parties--who's life has been turned upside down, showing the picture of
calmness and courage and the other sneering, pouting, puffing up and raging like
a schoolboy. Guess which was which?
Interesting that Christine could remember having one beer 36 years ago but
couldn't remember if she gave her therapist notes to a Washington Post
reporter two weeks prior...NOT CREDIBLE!
“This is what life is: Fear, rage, desire... love. To stop feeling
emotions, to stop wanting to feel them, is to feel death. I take everything
I'm feeling, everything that matters to me... I push all of it into my
fist, and I fight for it.” - Sun Bak, Sense8I spent many years
being passive, behaving, going along to get along, following the rules. When I finally started fighting to who I am and what I value I found
purpose, direction, and satisfaction. I tend to spend time with
others who are willing to take their anger and use it to fuel action to cause
change in society. As Laurel Thatch Ulrich wrote, “Well
behaved women rarely make history.”
Not surprising that this is all the Dems can come up with for their party
platform. I have yet to hear any sensible rhetoric of what that party now
stands for.The truth? Its a double standard. If men did this rage
thing they would be condemned, accused of abuse and required to take anger
classes or possibly even thrown in the slammer for what some women are doing.
If women do it, they are justified and praised for it.
You can take out you rage by howling at the moon and snapping at every one and
every thing, or--you can channel it like Senator Collins and with sharp
intellect and point by point examination, marshall up all the facts and make
your case. If you do the former you will eventually be put down in
failure like the rabid dog you emulate!If you do the latter, you will
succeed and be a recognized heroine!A word to the wise should be
"We even saw this with the Tea Party movement with its overtly racist
element "The narrative that Tea Party members (and by extension,
conservatives, including Latter-day Saints) are racist is one of the pernicious
lies told by the identity-politics left. Don't fall for it.Latter-day Saints long for the day when identity politics has been vanquished,
when there are no longer "any manner of -ites," and when Lucifer,
"the accuser of our brethren," is cast down. Let us all remember how
that is to be accomplished: by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their
[the brethren's] testimony. See Elder Renlund's conference
talk for more on Lucifer as "the accuser."
Anger, can and should be controlled by both men and women, but it is not wrong
to feel anger. A feeling of anger is the correct response to some things. If
it didn't make a person (man or woman) angry that injustice occurs, you
would wonder about their morality. How we respond to our anger is
what matters. If anger causes us to hurt others, that is not good, but if anger
causes us to take action to bring about change or to prevent injustice, then
good can come of it.
@GaryO:"GaryO - Virginia Beach, VAOct. 10, 2018 8:50
a.m.Re: "Women are being encouraged to express rage. Is this a good
thing"No, of course it's not a good thing.Women should just
submit."No, they should not. No one should submit to injustice.
Any woman who isn't enraged and furious about the way we handle sexual
assault cases in this country is either not paying attention or is incredibly
timid.I wish the right-wingers would be equally enraged by the same
reality, but so far, I haven't see much sign of it. If these comments are
any indication, the thing that really gets the old conservatives' goat is a
woman voicing her anger loudly and clearly. In my view, if we listen up and
treat sexual assault seriously, we won't have to worry so much about the
scary problem of female anger.
Considering the oppression of woman since the beginning of time and the recent
shenanigans of an unmentioned American political party, woman are past due the
right to demand we listen and accept their outrage.....
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UTOct. 10, 2018 11:16 a.m."What about men who experience abuse?"What kind of abuse?
In this thread, it appears that the "abuse" of which you speak is the
"abuse of having their authority challenged". Let's get honest and
stop with the Fox talking points. Conservative men don't like having their
power challenged, and that is what this is all about.It may be
asking too much for those living in the Fox bubble, but those raising their
voices about white, male victimization will be getting their answer in four
weeks. This whole "outrage" against "professional protestors"
funded by a "Jewish billionaire" has one purpose, to get the Trump voter
to the polls and maintain the divide that the Trump administration
encourages.The Republican Party, unfortunately is no longer the
Party of measured change based on sound ideas. It is now a minority party
dominated and controlled by an element previously repellent to the Party. It has
become ruled primarily by the myth of white victimization as evident by many of
the comments here. Non-violent protest becomes "mob rule" and is not to
be tolerated, Women have "forgotten" their place and need to be quiet.
Storm3033 posits that the whole confirmation fiasco was "orchestrated and
played well by the GOP to inflame and consume any other relevant
information..."I struggle with that explanation. Kavanaugh had
already endured six weeks of review and was on his way to confirmation when
Feinstein pulled the Hail Mary letter from her purse and started three more
weeks of nastiness.The only thing the GOP orchestrated was a patient
defense of the nominee. It was the Democrat party that created a late-hit
strategy which backfired.Lindsay Graham's rebuke on national TV
will go down in history as one of the Senate's greatest hits.Meanwhile, all rookie prosecutors will study Booker and Harris as examples of
failed badgering that turns against your effort.
@Karen R. - Houston, TXRE: "Focus, think, and analyze, ladies. And
then take it to 'em!"...---So... is your advice only to
"Ladies"?What about men who experience abuse?And
what do you mean by "Take it to 'em"? That needs some explaining
and clarifying I think. Otherwise some may get the wrong idea of what "take
it to em" means, and take it to a level you didn't intend."Take it to 'em" was what skinhead and Antifa leaders told their
people to do in Charlottesville. We know how that ended up. Not good.Take it to em... is vague. What do you mean? People may get the wrong idea,
and we don't want that, do we?===@Millenial Snow
RE: "A woman has to deal with being smaller and less able to protect
herself her whole life"...---You make a good case for
women's right to bear arms for self protection.A weapon can be
an equalizer when you are smaller or weaker. If women are forced to be unarmed
by well meaning anti-gun people, then she has no equalizer against a
bigger/stronger man trying to attack her. Just showing it may stop an
approaching attacker. Only using it as a last resort.We can't
make women bigger. But we can allow them to protect themselves.
We're seeing a lot of white men express their dismay with women for
expressing their concerns about mistreatment. Apparently these men think that
whatever injustice they experienced in their lives should be put on the back
shelf and forgotten. They forget the issue at hand, whether a man with a history
of heavy drinking and sexual assault should be on the Supreme Court is a valid
reason for protest. Instead, they take the approach that anything that occurred
years ago is null and void and has nothing to do with a fellow man's
character development. On top of that, they seem to feel that the overt partisan
position of the nominee is irrelevant as long as he is one of them.It's the same political sport that we have seen over many years taken to
a higher level because of the issue. The divide-and-conquer mentality of Donald
Trump goes completely against our values that, at bottom, we are all Americans.
For Trump, this is not true. There is "Us" and there is "Them"
and "Them" are the enemy.So let's see how this plays
out? In 2013 Republicans attempted to make their Party relevant to people of
Spanish descent. Now they need to find a way to make it relevant to women before
If you want to see anger, keep falsely accusing men of sex crimes on national
television and then say "judicial temperament" if they dare defend
themselves . If you want to see anger, keep telling white men their opinion
doesn't matter because they're part of an oppressive patriarchy. If
you want to see anger, keep telling us we're all racist bigot sexist
homophobes every time we suggest something as sensible as due process. If you
want to see anger, keep saying stuff like "America was never great."
I've been a registered independent for the last decade, but the Democrats
have just about convinced me with their ridiculous incivility that it's
time to register as a Republican again.
Anger is natural, but these ladies are encouraging misplaced anger. They want
women to be angry at other people, specifically males, that have done them no
harm. They are saying, "if you have been angry about a perceived or actual
abuse in the past, be angry about anyone one else making similar allegations,
with or without any supporting proof." Being angry about sexual
abuse is natural, and most of us get angry when we hear of the abuse, but as a
society, most of us have moved beyond mob-justice of the 1800's. These
ladies want the USA justice system to revert to the wild-wild west, especially
when have the allegations are against males. Our justice system has its
problems, but it is still better then anywhere else in the world.Every case is different, and not every male is a potential rapist.
Anger. It is unpersuasive to me, whether being exhibited by a man or a woman.
It typically shows a lack of control, or at the very lease, a lack of ability to
better express thoughts. There are ways to express passionate, deep feelings
about something other than through anger.
The headlines appearing in the DesNews for this stories of protest are getting
more bizarre. Women "being encouraged to express rage" is far different
from women expressing protest against a perceived injustice. The Constitution
protects an individual's right to express grievance. We even saw this with
the Tea Party movement with its overtly racist element confronting
congresspeople at public meeting, screaming and yelling in much the same way as
Republicans are accusing Democratic and Independent women today.This
is the new Republican strategy to arouse the base and turn them out for the Fall
election. However, it is the demagoguery and divisiveness that we have come to
expect with the Trump administration. With the full-throated encouragement by
Fox News propagandists, we are seeing congressional Republicans hit on all the
talking points that are being repeated through its attack on women and the
repeated victimization of angry, old, white men.Playing on the
primal fears of the Trump base, we see the efforts to the 32% working to make
the rest of us the enemy in their nightmare. It's interesting to watch as
these tactics take hold and turn neighbor against neighbor.
No, Deseret News, current events are not "overly speculative." It's
not at all difficult to find published reports of leftist mob violence and
assassination attempts (one nearly successful) on Republican members of
2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT--If we all reported abuse when it
happened... it would be so much better for everybody involved.--Perhaps you live in a different world than I, or, in the case of 50 years
back, attended a different church school than I, but if a high school girl
reported an unwanted sexual advance, under any circumstances, she would be the
one under investigation, and further the boys locker room would have been filled
with how 'easy' she was to be in such a compromised situation.That has continued to this day. The character assassination machinery
went into operation as soon as Ford's letter was announced, despite it
being anonymous at first, then high gear when a name was given.The
Confirmation Hearing was not a trial, it was a job interview, and if one can not
obtain information about a candidate for fitness in the job, one should
terminate the interview.For anyone who has had a security clearance
background check, they have to have their life and character examined, and
explain any element that is questionable.Why should a candidate for
the Supreme Court be treated otherwise.
The handling of the Christine Blasey Ford aspect of the Supreme Court job
interview of Brett Kavanaugh was orchestrated and played well by the GOP to
inflame and consume any other relevant information that needed to be answered by
Kavanaugh. There were many unresolved issues that Kavanaugh needed to answer
for and were swept to the side. If you think this is a wild swing to
whataboutism then take the blinders off. Both parties milked this issue
although with different agendas. There was never any other outcome for this
nomination, at the very dire VPresident Pence would have broken the tie. It
would have been much less divisive if the GOP and the nominee had responded in a
more respectful less condescending way, particularly in a less angry way coming
back to the point? of this article.
Rage and anger are two very different things. Rage is typically defined as an
uncontrollable anger. How will this help women and bring this country together?
I can understand women being angry and driven by that anger. Rage is
Its nearly impossible to remove political biases from many new too discussions.
I'm sure a huge majority of people agree on much over the good brought
about by the me too movement, but those agreements suddenly disappear when the
outcome of the issues involves political control.
"Some radicals are working on all but #9 currently, and I've heard some
radical feminists advocate for that as well."Sorry, but I doubt
any conservatives have been close enough to listed to anything a feminist has to
say or are concerned about. Caught on video at Trump's hate
rallies is his Supporters punching people who protest him. First
casualty of Trump promotion of hate was Heather Heyer, 32, a legal assistant
from Virginia, who was one of 20 people struck by vehicle driven into a crowd of
counter-protesters.Fact is conservatives have already landed on #9.
It is if they have something to be angry about.Like being raped or
assaulted.A woman has to deal with being smaller and less able to
protect herself her whole life. Walking alone at night. In parking garages. At
concerts. At work. It's ok to address these things in a public sphere. It
brings awareness to things that might be swept over otherwise.
With all the encouraging anger and rage by radical feminists... they are well
along their way towards something bad.Google "The Ten Stages of
Genocide by Dr. Gregory Stanton"...It's short (one page).
Every person encouraging rage and anger towards a specific race, gender,
religion, whatever, should read it.The stages are:1.
Classification2. Symbolization3. Discrimination4.
Dehumanization5. Organization6. Polarization7. Preparation8. Persecution9. Extermination10. DENIALSome radicals
are working on all but #9 currently, and I've heard some radical feminists
advocate for that as well.Google "Scum Manifesto -
Wikipedia"This manifesto was written by radical feminists in the
1960s. So this goes way back.It argues that men have ruined the
world, and that it is up to women to fix it. To achieve this goal, it suggests
the formation of "SCUM", an organization dedicated to overthrowing
society and eliminating the male sex.Anger, vengeance, rage... are
rarely good motivations. It's not a good thing. It's not something
to be encouraged.
2bits "If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be
so much better for everybody involved."I understand the
sentiment of, "report early"... But early reporting is also manipulated
to go against the woman, and help the man.The Girl that Stanford
Swimmer Brock Turner attacked reported it within 24 hours, she even had an eye
witness.... He was still let go cause the judge , a man,
didn't want to ruin his life...
When I was young and misbehaved, my mother used a 24 in hardwood ruler,
sometimes in a rage. Not a positive experience for either person. From God's perspective that has been previously quoted in scripture
it's not proper. Modern psychology and the medical community teaches
it's not healthy either. Sen Warren wants to be the photo
child of women's anger. Is that the image of the modern American woman we
teach our children to admire and look up to? I think not.
HSTucker commented: "My dear brothers and sisters, the assaults of the
adversary are increasing exponentially, in intensity and in variety." --
President Russell M. Nelson 7 Oct 2018..and then a selected quote
from Hillary, how predictable.Well Donald has suggested worse on
individuals, groups and nations in his little temper tantrum tweets. But yeah a
strong women is definitely speaking for the adversary, and who can forget his
number one hit: "I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start
kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I
just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even
wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.Grab ’em by the *anything. You can do anything. "If
there's an adversary, he's got a great spokesperson in Donald, as he
has many who claim to be religious, worshipping his every thought.
@2bits "If we all reported abuse when it happened... it would be so much
better for everybody involved."When a woman so reports she
becomes the SUSPECT.
Anger over what?Angry because an accusation didn’t
automatically derail a nominee in a staged event of political theater?More women graduate from college than men; more women go to graduate school
than men. Women get the highest grades in school. They study more, they
contribute more to their communities. In fact, we are rapidly losing an entire
generation of men. My boss is a woman, her boss is a woman, and her
boss is a woman. We haven’t hired a male middle managers in 10 years. My
doctor is a woman. My state’s governor is a woman.Should men
It is good for anyone to be able to express anger they feel in appropriate ways.
But, to rant and rave, scream and yell, and get in people's face are the
least effective ways. A big turn off to most people. They can't hear your
legitimate message past the ranting and raving, whining and exploding all over
the place. How often do you really listen to your children when they act like
that? How often do you want to listen to them when that is how they express
their message. Women have a right to be angry when they are called
liars, fake news, and other derogatory names when they have found the courage to
report a sexual assault that has occurred. To then be demeaned, treated less
than, and ridiculed especially by the president of the U.S. in front of the
world is a terrible thing that should not be tolerated. It sends a strong
message that no one cares about you or the traumatic event you went through
whether man, woman, or child that was the victim. It is unAmerican, unChristian,
uncivilized, and cruel. It can be worse than the abuse itself. It is not what
America should be about.
FTF- Your point about expressing rage is not correct. What is desired is for
folks to express openly their resentment early, rather than to bottle it up
until it becomes 'rage' and an outburst is triggered by some
comparatively minor event. Rage normally is the result of the buildup of
minor resentments unexpressed by the individual. Folks of both genders need to
express their feelings early and often to avoid rage and its unfortunate
@scrappy do "rage all you want... but don't complain when you
can't find a man."Message here: to land a man be meek and
submissive - to anything.
Considering that for most of history women have been taught and encouraged to
suppress their feelings I'm okay with it going the other way for awhile.
Especially if that rage spurs action.
"Rage" is not a good thing. Neither is "Revenge" or
"Vengeance". I think God warned us against all of those.Now
"Reporting"... IS a good thing.And I mean reporting it when
it happens. Not 40 years later when you think it can be used for some
political purpose.If we all reported abuse when it happened... it
would be so much better for everybody involved.It would be SO much
easier to get justice for the victim, and to deliver justice to the
perpetrator.The good thing about the Me-Too movement is... it
encourages people to report abuse when it happens.Where the Me-Too
movement goes off the rails (IMO) is in encouraging women to relish rage,
vengeance, and revenge. Even women who have not been victims of abuse are now
experiencing rage, and taking it out on people. Sometimes innocent people.I don't accept the advice of the people writing books encouraging
Rage. I will take the other advice. Advice like Vengeance is mine. Love one
another. I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is
required to forgive all men".It shouldn't take 40 years to
forgive.Encouraging people to embrace Rage, vengeance, and
revenge... is overrated IMO.
Prometheus Platypus: "But women being angry at being assaulted and or
abused need to shut up and sit back down, don't be all emotional about your
position in society as assigned by men."No, women being angry
about being assaulted and/or abused need to continue to speak out against their
assailants when the assault occurs and with corroborative facts in hand. Kavanaugh wasn't these women's sexual assailant and
there's no evidence he was Dr. Ford's either, so why do they make the
illogical leap to suggest defending him is tantamount to defending THEIR abuser?
This is the problem. There are wholes in logic and corroborating evidence where
righteous anger in this case seems misplaced. As the article suggested there are
things today that women have a right to be angry about, supported by
facts/evidence and objective analysis. As Karen R suggested from the
article, focus, think, and analyze. There are absolutely social injustices
against women we can all get behind...but unsupported allegations of sexual
assault isn't one of them (innocent until proven guilty...it's bedrock
and the day it starts to crumble we are truly in trouble).
Sorry Karen, I know you didn't grow up male, so you don't have my
lived experiences, so I'll give you a pass on this one.Boys and
men are very much "told when they may/may not be angry and how." I have
instilled in my sons the very same thing that was hammered into me and every
other boy in the United States--you never hit. Especially a girl. Even if a
girl is attacking you, you don't hit. That's the epitome of
unmanliness and will get you forever branded a pariah to society.It's called controlling your feelings, or at least your
actions--that's what civilization is. And it happens to everyone, or
there'd be no civilization.
Tell y'all what. When you start punishing men for being angry, I'll
care about angry women.Cause where we currently stand? A man can
get angry and get respect. A woman gets angry and gets demeaned.So
you're scared at the idea of angry women? Then you gotta stop rewarding
angry men. Until you do that, it's just rank hypocrisy, and that tends to
make people... Oh, what's the word? Ah, yes. Angry.
Re: "Women are being encouraged to express rage. Is this a good
thing"No, of course it's not a good thing.Women
should just submit.It says so in the Bible . . . And the Quran . . .
And the Talmud.How much more proof do you need? Right Republicans??
Karen R:"Focus, think, and analyze, ladies...Do not apologize for
being powerful."Karen, you and I have very different views
politically. You're more liberal, I'm more conservative, but I
absolutely agree with your assessment in this regard. I've always found
your posts very thoughtful and insightful, even if I don't agree with them
all. But your analysis here is spot on...focus, think, and analyze. Make sure
the message is clear and has support from facts and research, then anger becomes
righteous indignation which can be very powerful. As a husband of a
strong, independent woman, and two intelligent young daughters I want them to
have voices and to have power to use those voices for good. Thank you for your
What an appropriate article right after the warnings of General Conference. If
we can't see clearly the adversary's plan to use rage and contention
to topple civilization, then we're blind."My dear brothers
and sisters, the assaults of the adversary are increasing exponentially, in
intensity and in variety."-- President Russell M. Nelson 7 Oct 2018"You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy
what you stand for, what you care about"-- Hillary Clinton 9 Oct 2018
"Sorry, Tom. The witness seems credible. She has obviously suffered a
trauma, and we must believe all survivors." --Atticus Finch
This is a bit humorous as "news." A decade ago, when Trump was saying,
"You're fired," Hillary Clinton was as shrill as a politician can
be. Women in business leadership were often dubbed, "The Tiger Lady,"
and they were sent around the company to fire people.Remember the
women burning bras?This "news" is about 50 years late.
To say this world has changed for the very worst in the last 15 years is the
understatement of rh century
Always better to let rage be expressed than bottle it up until it explodes. This
is something authoritarians never learn.
Wait so when Kavanaugh wept about lifting weights at Todd's house, and
cried about his Dad's yearly calendar reviews, and screamed in anger about
conspiracy nonsense, he was a hero.But women being angry at being
assaulted and or abused need to shut up and sit back down, don't be all
emotional about your position in society as assigned by men.Sad but
look at all the early comments by GOP men telling women not to be
angry...it's just boy's being boys after all.
No, women should just 'keep sweet' and continue to get run over. All
so we can continue to elect (and appoint) misogynists.
@RBB "With no proof and no evidence, one has to wonder if the #metoo
movement is dead.", yeah, except Bill Cosby is in prison and Harvey
Weinstein is headed to trial. I think there has been quite a bit of evidence.
Any uncontrolled emotion leads to trouble and unintended consequences. Remember
the hymn : "School thy feelings, O my brother ( 'sister' works
well, too ),
Passion shatters reasons tower, Makes the clearest vision
" Everybody can feel anger; it's what we do then that
divides humanity from inhumanity.
Rage. Yeh, the list is growing: seeing women scream at the sky, yell and
scream during the confirmation hearing of a potential Supreme Court justice,
threaten the potential justice and his family, scream and use all kinds of
profane language at any and all things conservative, harass conservatives while
they are in public, act the most foolish in behavior at a women's march
with screaming, profanities, and wearing disgusting costumes, and if you
aren't doing those things yourself, you are applauding those that do. If
Satan wanted to use a tool to confuse society, that would be a good one.
The pictures selected tell the story that's trying to be pushed.She's frail, innocent and hurt. He's a raving wild man.
Rage, anger are unbecoming for everyone. Especially the current type being
exhibited mostly by the left.Rage over unproven allegations by Ford
isn't becoming either. If you are going to be mad, be mad about something
that you can prove is wrong. Don't be mad just to be mad, or just because
your gender is the same. Shrillness isn't the way to get your way. Just
ask Susan Collins.If you accuse, you'd better be able to back
it up with facts.I recall a certain historical figure who is revered
by a good segment of the population said, in effect, "Love they neighbor as
thyself". He also said, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless
them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you."We follow that, and
life would be much better for all of us.
Is expressing 'rage' ever helpful? In every situation I can think of,
rage only causes hardening of positions and is never useful in solving problems.
Emotional reactions surely make one feel better in the short term, but are
rarely - if ever - of value in resolving any situation.
Rage for the sake of rage will not be good for anyone. Rage destroys. Rage
tears down. Rage does not lead to a better, kinder, gentler world. That is
what we are supposed to be working for isn't it? A better world? Rage
will NOT get us there!
"Plan how to best use the anger you feel. Focus, think and
analyze..."Yes, this is how I think of it. Take it seriously
and own it, but don't let it control you. Use it instead as a fuel source
to enact the change that's needed, whether that's within oneself or in
the world.But, yeah, the days of females being told when they
may/may not be angry and how are coming to an end. At least a few generations
of women now have been taught that they're entitled to be just as fully
human as their male counterparts are.But let's also be
cognizant of reality. It is true that anger in females is perceived differently
- and negatively - than it is in males, particularly among older generations.
So if they're who you're trying to influence...Focus,
think, and analyze, ladies. And then take it to 'em! Do not apologize for
This is a wonderful, incisive, and thought-provoking article. It's a rare
occasion when the media addresses issues of anger, what it is, and how it might
be constructively controlled. Thanks for publishing it.
Abraham Lincoln said:“Quarrel not at all. No man resolved to
make the most of himself can spare time for personal contention.
give your path to a dog than be bitten by him.”
2 Nephi 26:3232 And again, the Lord God hath commanded that men should not
murder; that they should not lie; that they should not steal; that they should
not take the name of the Lord their God in vain; that they should not envy; that
they should not have malice; that they should not contend one with another; that
they should not commit whoredoms; and that they should do none of these things;
for whoso doeth them shall perish.Why is contention added to a list
of things like murder, stealing and whoredoms?
Hey Democrats: This is something you really want to do. Make angry feminists the
face of your party. It is genius! Trust me.
Men AND women make mistakes in life, but we should guard against making all out
war on the opposite gender. Both genders are interested in justice, but justice
can not be served by crucifying either gender just to salve the hurt feelings of
The left has become completely unhinged. Hillary Clinton is openly defending
incivility. Maxine Waters is telling followers to harass political opponents.
Ariel Dumas from the Colbert Show tweeted "Whatever happens, I'm just
glad we ruined Brett Kavanaugh's life." Feminist author Jill Filipovic
tweeted instructions to women to “Divorce your Republican husbands.”
These people would rather see the country go up in flames than not
get their way. Tragic
Rage at what is the biggest question? Did something happen, are we mad just
because or is there a legitimate reason?In this country one is innocent
until proven guilty, which has worked well for a very long time. Is that the
change they must want?
Rage at what? 36-year allegations with absolutely no corroborating
evidence?Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence until
proven guilty.Dems would have gone berserk if Republicans had done
the exact same thing to a Dem nominee.What’s ironic is that
many had already announced their opposition to Judge Kavanaugh before the
hearings had even begun and long before the allegations were made public just
before the vote.Unfortunately, this desperate smear campaign has
cast a shadow on legitimate claims of sexual assault and real victims in the Me
With no proof and no evidence, one has to wonder if the #metoo movement is dead.
If it's all about accusations, it's not helping. One has to wonder how
Bill Clinton has escaped all this?