Orrin Hatch: Kavanaugh’s confirmation — a victory for the courts and the nation

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    HS Tucker said

    "We seem to have a different understanding of what a witness is. When two more more people each individually make a separate accusation, that doesn't satisfy the law of witnesses. It's two or more witnesses to the same event."

    So help me understand why you don't apply this same standard to Bill Clinton and his accusers? I don't believe a single one of them has a second witness to corroborate what they said and yet the Republicans paraded them out right before the election.

    No double standard there.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    In my opinion:

    Orrin Hatchs retirement is a huge victory to all of us.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    The hatred of Democrats were on full display during the Judge Kavnaugh confirmation. Only one Democrat voted for Bret Kavnaugh, a constitutional scholar with 30 years of experience on the bench.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    I don't need Hatch to talk down to me on his idea of a victory for the nation. I know what constitutes a victory for the country and I recognize a sham when I see one paraded in the public square.

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    @frac
    "This seems more like a "you can't just replace all your old people with tactical retirements the last year... but if someone dies then we'll consider choices" stance."

    But was perfectly ok for Obama to
    stack the Circuit Courts with extremely liberal justices that would not even pass the "60" vote standard?

    During the GW Bush administration, it was the first time in history there was a full scale attempt by the democrats to prevent a POTUS from picking any court nominees.

    Classic obstruction of justice by the Democrats! You got to always be in control, by any means necessary.

    Looks the the Repubs woke up and are using rule #4, they must be using the same rule book.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    @fight4liberty
    Schumer's line was "We should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court, except in extraordinary circumstances"

    This seems more like a "you can't just replace all your old people with tactical retirements the last year... but if someone dies then we'll consider choices" stance.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    I believe Ford 100%, & because you & your GOP cohorts (including your president) refused to allow an FBI investigation into Ford's allegations *before* the hearing, or other relevant witnesses to testify, & prevented a thorough & *real* invest. after it (What *real* investigatiodoesn't even interview the claimant & defendant?) Kavanaugh will *always* have a cloud hanging over himself & his decisions. His "apology" last week meant nothing to me. Like GOP justification for their behavior, it is the personification of 1 Cor 13:1-- "as sounding brass & tinkling cymbals" & I would add from Shakespeare, "signifying nothing".

    Kavanaugh was not exonerated like you, Trump & the GOP claim. Quite the opposite. Because you were all afraid to allow a full investigation into these allegations, he will *never* be exonerated, & we will have to rely on our impressions of both of them during the hearing--which I have to say, appears for the majority of Americans, to be leaning heavily towards Ford.

    Thanks for giving us a man of such unimpeachable quality to now pass judgement on America. I certainly expect him to elevate the Supreme Court and deliver unbiased, fair & honest decisions.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    "Trump has 19 valid accusations of sexual misconduct lodged against him. I think those could be considered witnesses right? Multiple?"

    We seem to have a different understanding of what a witness is. When two more more people each individually make a separate accusation, that doesn't satisfy the law of witnesses. It's two or more witnesses to the same event.

    I invite the reader to decide whose view is compatible with the scriptures and the underpinnings of western civilization.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    Please, Orrin, don't insult us any more. There are too many loose ends with Kavanaugh that should have been resolved. And you, Orrin, are a major player in the wrong inflicted on our democracy by the Merrick Garland travesty. Your legacy, Orrin, is hyper-partisanship and putting the interests of a few above the whole. A self-righteous tone won't erase the damage you, yes, you, Orrin, have done to the country. I have known you personally for many years. We have had a very friendly, cordial association. However, I will be glad to see you gone from office. Give my best to Elaine.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    Senator Hatch, I needed to hear Ford's other assailant testify! Why didn't you allow it?

  • Copybook Headings Draper, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:59 a.m.

    silo - Sandy, UT

    Please do cite even a single occasion where this 'parliamentary maneuver' was previously used by Democrats to refuse confirmation hearings of any kind on a Republican President's nominee.

    We'll wait.

    Please do cite any occasions at all where a Republican President (since 1991 when Biden gave his speech) nominated a Supreme Court Justice in a Presidential election year.

    We'll wait.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 5:31 a.m.

    Huskster, a little bit of hypocrisy here. Using scripture and culture to say that two witnesses are needed?

    Trump has 19 valid accusations of sexual misconduct lodged against him. I think those could be considered witnesses right? Multiple?

    Stormy Daniels revealed openly herself as one of those "witnesses". Yet the Republicans and Trump supporters brush off those multiple accusations. That hypocrisy at it's finest.

    Honest people can see the hypocrisy. Hatch dismissed women everywhere and that was one of the most heart wrenching things we have seen. Have Hatch tell us outright that Dr. Ford lied. Have Lee tell us that too. Right to her face. I'd like to see that reaction!

    Huskster, maybe you can tell us why for almost a year there were no similar acccusations about Garland? Of course the Republicans were digging up everythng they could, but didn't find anything. Then Kavenaugh comes along and multiple law schools including Yale his own alma mater decried his nomination. Why?

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:40 a.m.

    @silo

    Republicans refused to confirm Obamas choice of Merrick Garland to replace Scalia, siting the 2007 promise by Senator Chuck Schummer that the senate would not confirm a supreme court pick in Pres Bushs final year.

    The Democrats invented the obstructist tactics used in nominating lower court and Supreme court picks. However the dems forget that they will not always be in power so sometimes their antics come back to bite them.

    Is it any wonder why the Democrats are desparate to never lose their power. They continually change the rules to always be in their favor, never wanting the Republicans to use the same benefit.

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:18 a.m.

    @silo - Sandy, UT
    "Please do cite even a single occasion where this 'parliamentary maneuver' was previously used by Democrats to refuse confirmation hearings of any kind on a Republican President's nominee. We'll wait."

    How about Judge Borke?

    Dems 1st mistake was to fillibuster Pres Bushs appellate court nominees starting in 2001 with Miguel Estrada, 1st in history to be successfully fillibustered. Dems went on to fillibuster 9 other circuit court nominees . "The first time there was a full scale attempt to prevent a POTUS from picking court nominees.

    The dems 2nd mistake was the " nuclear option" to pack the federal courts with liberal judges after they took control of the Senate. They then filled vacancies with liberal left wing judges that would not meet the "60" vote standard, especially in the DC circuit court.

    When republicans started fillibustering some of Obamas picks, the democrats broke precedent and eliminated the the fillibuster in all nominations except for the Supreme Court picks. Obama flipped most circuit courts from conservative to liberal judges.

    Dems third mistake was to fillibuster Gorsuch which allowed the Repubs to use the nuclear option.

  • byufootballrocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:59 p.m.

    Thank you Senator Hatch for an outstanding editorial and for your courageous and effective defense of Justice Kavanaugh.

    I only wish the Deseret News would have had the inclination and spirit to defend him as well as you have. Was kinda surprised by that.

    You have told the truth, and defended an unjustly accused man.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:24 p.m.

    "Both the reputation of a good man and the character of the Senate were tarnished by the rank cynicism that was on full display over the course of this confirmation battle. For nakedly partisan purposes,

    I disagree

    I find Dr. Ford's story very credible because what appears to be blatant honesty at the expense of hurting her credibility. Let me explain.

    If the story is contrived and a conspiracy why would she identify two attackers instead of one, knowing they would both deny it, Why would she not have vetted the other friends, she identified as attending the party,

    This was about a woman telling her story. It is clear to me if she wanted to make it more believable she could have done so easily.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:40 p.m.

    Regardless of political party, this individuals confirmation as a supreme court justice is a celebration of justice. Allegations without evidence or proof are meaningless.

    It is an act of marxism to convict a man with no evidence whatsoever. The USA is still a free country, although some in this country are fighting to change that.

  • Contemplator Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:09 p.m.

    Americans are losing confidence in their institutions and this latest act of installing a very partisan judge to the Supreme Court is just doing more damage and dividing the country further.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:08 p.m.

    @1covey
    "He was the victim of a parliamentary maneuver that was originated by Democrats."

    Please do cite even a single occasion where this 'parliamentary maneuver' was previously used by Democrats to refuse confirmation hearings of any kind on a Republican President's nominee.

    We'll wait.

  • Harrison Bergeron Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:57 p.m.

    "I hope that next week, my fellow senators and I can move on and start working together again — but I worry we won’t."

    Senator Hatch,

    For 20 days the sane part of the country was taken hostage by the insane part of the country. We have watched in horror as the democrats, with a fervent media as their stage, have engaged in demagoguery, rumor mongering, tautological reasoning, social contagion, mob-mentality, hysterics and other methods reminiscent of a witch trial. In shock we watched the personification of Joseph McCarthy as the Judiciary Committee democrats told the Kavanaugh to prolong his own torture by asking for an FBI investigation to prove his innocence!

    At the end of any hostage situation, there is tremendous relief that over. But now we need to be certain that the hostage takers don't try it again. The democrats need to pay a price for this. The American public can hit them at the ballot box, but you have a unique opportunity to get to the bottom of this without worrying about politics. There must be investigations. Don't let this go, or they will try it again. You have built a life time of political capital, use it in these last three months to expose the perps.

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:46 p.m.

    I hate today's Republican party but I can't identify with the Democrats either, partly because of their 3rd world slime ball tactics, some of which were learned from the Republicans.

    If I were the Democrat leadership, I'd hire some good private investigators to find corroborating information for Ms Ford's account.

    Someday the truth will come out (either she lied or it was true) and one side is going to look very bad. Right now it's the Democrats. In the future it could be the likes of Hatch and Trump. I hope it's the latter but I'm not holding my breath.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    @ TDay Do you realize that while Mr. Kavanaugh was accused of committing crimes, Ms. Ford was only criticized - not condemned- for not presenting corroboration for her accusation; even her long-time good friend refused to corroborate. Senator Grassly and other GOP Senators treated Ms. Ford with great courtesy; harsh remarks were only directed at Democratic Senators who were bent on discarding basic legal rights. Ms. Ford was offered the courtesy of a nonpublic meeting in her home area to respect her privacy and claim of fear of air travel. She said her lawyers never told her. Since her lawyers were paid by Democrats, it's obvious that Ms. Ford was not their primary client in this affair. I keep hearing Merrick Garland's name. Why ? He was not smeared and slandered nor intimidated by protesters, some paid. He was the victim of a parliamentary maneuver that was originated by Democrats.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    America loses when we let drunken frat boys play the he said, she said, and refuse to allow any other witnesses to speak.

    After Kavanaughs performance, lies and outright arrogance, he's a terrible fit.

    But what this has taught many, many women is don't speak up, because we won't believe you.

    2-4% of sexual assault victims lie about the facts, 1 in 5 women are sexually abused.

    We have a president who bragged about abusing women, some underage in dressing rooms even, but the GOP cares not.

    Women are not to be believed, and then they should be made fun of as our president did for a good laugh at them. OR if they dare to ask a question, Hatch can tell them to "Grow up" in a condescending patriarchal tone.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:46 p.m.

    "Unless you are a liberal man like Clinton then its all good" and that great lion of the senate, Ted Kennedy.

    Not only have they become gender based discriminatory, (men) but include ageist, (old) and racist, (white). Is their a class for emotional discrimination, (angry)? Must be they think Kavanaugh should be disbarred because he was angry about false accusations.

    Like a poster said, democrats just have to discriminate, always have, always will.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:34 p.m.

    After watching the Democrats exploit women (including Dr. Ford) to satisfy their partisan agenda, I can fully understand why so many women on various news channels and talk shows are expressing dismay over the manipulation of the women and the smear tactics the left engaged in.

    I can fully appreciate why we see so many women at Trump rallies holding up signs that say “Women for Trump”

    Now if you were to believe the Democrats smear campaign to destroy the reputation and character of Justice Kavanaugh and his family, one must ask why four new women accepted jobs to be Justice Kavanaugh’s new Supreme Court clerks?

    Finally, yes there are a lot of “#metoo” women and other liberal women who say they will vote for the Democrats in November. Well that’s fine, but I can tell you a LOT of men who are fed up with this anti-man campaign being foisted upon us by the left will also be out there to vote for the GOP!

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    Thank you Senator Hatch for your well written and appropriate praise and defense of the character of this outstanding man and Jurist (Justice Kavanaugh).

    Where are we headed as a country when elected Senators engage in dastardly tactics unworthy of and beneath their position as elected representatives of the people?

    As a citizen, I was shocked to listen to Senators like Kamala Harris and Kory Booker attempt to destroy the character and reputation of a distinguished Federal Judge using uncorroborated and vile accusations by women who played into their disengenuous hands! Some of the women accusers are of questionable reput and it was a deep dive into the swamp to even allow these last minute shenannigans to derail Justice Kavanaghs nomination.

    We the people will rember these low endeavors and vote for the republican ticket. No votes for Ben McAdams, a good man in a bad party.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:00 p.m.

    @JaneB
    "Well, one thing is now quite clear. The GOP is not the party for women"

    Interesting passive/aggression: but it could be also stated the opposite - democrats are now the party that hates men - actively supports unsubstantiated accusations against men, presumes all men guilty and not provable to be innocent and Dems have no morals regarding mounting smear campaigns to destroy any man not compliant to their extremist intolerant dogma - Unless you are a liberal man like Clinton then its all good

    Is it any wonder most women reject the feminist label?

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:55 p.m.

    Hutterite

    I saw the tape in question with Hatch shunning an obnoxious paid protestor. I would have done the same thing.

    Said poster is retorting Hatch only because they disagree with the confirmation, its clear as day.

    Marxist

    "To make up my mind regarding ford's claim, I needed to hear mark judge testify before the committee. You didn't allow this so I believe ford."

    You are aware that Mark Judge already submitted in writing a sworn statement denying knowledge of ford's accusation? For Judge to testify before the commitee he would only need to read his sworn statement in front of them, for if he changed his story at all he would have purgered himself, a felony. Now why would anyone do that to themselves? Mark Judge didn't need to testify, because he already did. Another misguided attempt to argue against false accusations.

    EternallyImpermanent

    "...kavanaughs violation of rule 1.2..."

    Clarence Thomas did the same in his defense of false accusations against him, besides if justice ginsbergs constant drunkeness and passing out in public is a standard for a supreme court justice, then I'd say kavanaugh is well within his rights.

  • TDay Hyde Park, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:16 p.m.

    Senator Hatch, this wasn’t a victory for anyone. America lost.

    Any illusions of decorum from the Senate swept away.
    Any thought of the independence of the Justice gone.
    Sexual assault victims revictimized.
    Civility deserved by both Judge Kavanaugh and Dr. Blasey Ford’s families unrealized.

    Advice & Consent isn’t a capstone, rubber stamp, or partisan plot, it’s a sacred Constitutional check on Executive authority. The Constitution continues to crumble in the hands of winner take all tribalists.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:12 p.m.

    Well, one thing is now quite clear. The GOP is not the party for women, (or minorities or immigrants.) Why would any woman be in the GOP? They are moving away in droves. Only 25% of women now identify with Republicans. Gee, I wonder why?!

    McConnell, Grassley, Collins, etc were the leaders of nothing more than a naked power grab. They never cared about getting to the bottom of the allegations, and they never cared about the truth. They announced what they were going to do long before even the testimony on that thurs. They didn't allow a proper investigation. Now, they are back to the "mistaken identity" nonsense. What rubbish. I'm sure Ed Whelin is a happy man.

    So, I guess it's a good thing we have all learned over the last couple years what the GOP is really all about. They don't believe they need women, minorities, or immigrants. But the math says different.

  • Unreconstructed Reb BE, 00
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:06 p.m.

    His condescending, dismissive wave of the hand and snippy comment to "grow up" told us everything we need to know about Orrin Hatch.

  • durwood kirby Preston, ID
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:03 p.m.

    A great victory for the Republican Party. A great disservice to the court and the country. Hatch has long since forgotten about the good of the country. He should grow up.

  • TomFromCenterville Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    When they write the history of how America fell apart, Orrin Hatch will play a starring role for his major contribution to the politicization of the judiciary branch, by refusing to allow Merrick Garland to go to a vote and then so partisanly moving Kavanaugh's confirmation forward with such divisive rhetoric. There are Democrats who are responsible too (Cory Booker's stance was inflammatory and unjustified, for example), but Hatch is up there with the most culpable.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    Even the Republicans and Fox News anchors found Ford to be credible when she gave her testimony. Then Kavanaugh and Graham started ranting and they remembered that they could just ignore her.

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    I can't help but notice that when Orrin Hatch joined the Senate, it was a respectable institution and that the longer he has stayed in power, the more contentious and disrespectable it has become.

    The Democrats' scorched-earth approach to this confirmation hearing was based on the Republicans' successful scorched-earth approach to the entire Obama presidency. When Republicans refuse to even grant a vote to Obama's moderate nominee, win the presidency through the electoral college when the majority of Americans voted for his opponent, and then implement their policies and nominate their justices as if they had a voter mandate, it's hard to argue that their dishonest and cynical tactics don't work. That being the case, I have sympathy for the Democrats decision to lower themselves to the level of the Republicans.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    "I am still waiting for republicans to apologize to Hillary Clinton for demanding to lock her up with out a trial."

    You may be waiting for an apology for something that never happened.

    Conservatives believe (bolstered by the IG report) that the FBI's investigation of her crimes was botched. We all saw Director James Comey lay out her crimes in some detail before the American public before disingenuously proclaiming that she would not be referred for prosecution. Conservatives believe she should be tried by an impartial trier of fact, and that after a fair trial, the verdict would be "Lock Her Up!"

    I'm not sure what Republicans believe, but the idea that conservatives are opposed to the rule of law is preposterous.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    Mr. Hatch said that the integrity, ethically and morally challenged current republican WH occupant was the greatest POTUS ever.

    Mr. Hatch now says that the Bret Kavanaugh* confirmation is a victory for the courts and the nation.

    Bret Kavanaugh* will be forever remembered as an unelected republican lawyer whose confirmation was rammed down the throats of Americans.

    Bret Kavanaugh* will be forever remembered as an unelected republican lawyer who prejudged all Americans who are not republicans.

    Bret Kavanaugh's* nomination will be forever remembered as a stain on the SCOTUS.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    Put your fact straight Hatch. It's a victory for the GOP. Don't try to use the country as a pawn here. It is about loyalty to party and not to country.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:34 p.m.

    They can't give a legitimate argument they can only mock, jeer, insult and tell you your horrible that you didn't support an uncorroborated testimony witch hunt that would in spirit kill the 6th amendment based on someones gender without any evidence. Thank you leftists for exposing that you are still the party you were in the 1850s & 1950s (you just switched the target groups) and all your talk of equality and justice is just a sham for your totalitarian ends justify the means. Why did I support Kavanaugh?
    1. Because Mothers looked at their sons and other good men they know and don't want them to live in a society that justifies new stereotypical blanket injustices and discrimination because of individual past injustices. especially when there is no corroborative evidence. That is IF you believe in EQUALITY.
    2. I as a father look at my daughters and don't want them to become dependent victims to a social political ideology that seeks to abusively use them as political pawns or be called gender traitors because they dare choose different from the post modernist agenda because they prioritize family over career or recognize different societal roles between the sexes.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:34 p.m.

    @ shaun, I will apologize for demanding Hillary be locked up. Sorry I didn't demand she be locked up without a trial. I just hoped for a trial to prove or disprove the allegations.

    But now lets have the trial Comey (FBI) said she had committed the crimes, there is evidence she committed a crime, and Loreta was not going to prosecute.

    But she is still free and untried. Because of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt she is free to walk the land. Now can democrats allow the same with Kavanaugh?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:16 p.m.

    So funny. Democrats told us there was now presumption of innocence, it was a job interview. Mark Judge testified in a letter. Marx demands a trial before he drops the allegation. Got it Marx you didn't approve to give him the job. But he got given the job.

    Now dems want to impeach. Big problem, they have to go to court and against the preponderance of innocence, prove beyond reasonable doubt, prove an allegation. They have not done it yet. Ford says she will not participate any further, (because if she provides any facts that can be disproved she could be charged with lying to the committee. Also, the statute of limitations for the alleged institution has run, Maryland will not prosecute thus no crime for impeachment. Swetnick won't testify because as part of her testimony she said she participated as an adult in parties (10) where criminal actions took place and she says she was aware of. That makes her a felon. Believe all you want, but facts are facts, they are not trumped by ATDS.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:15 p.m.

    @hstucker

    I am still waiting for republicans to apologize to Hillary Clinton for demanding to lock her up with out a trial.

    I guess your only innocent until proven guilty if your a republican.

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    Would have been nice to add how much harm the Democrats did to Dr Ford. Against her specific direction and wishes, they chose to use her and the ME Too Movement as a "weapon" of personal destruction for pure political purposes.

    This hypocritical action should not be forgotten but should be pointed out every time the Dems accuse the Republicans of waging a "war against women".

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    "You cant possibly take just one persons accusation and claim it as fact without evidence."

    I didn't. However, the fact remains that hatch did, with a condescending wave and comment about 'growing up', dismiss women who wanted to talk to him. It was a boorish and insensitive thing to do, trump style, regardless of anything to do with Kavanaugh. It's there, on tape.

    Anyway, have a good day.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    To make up my mind regarding Ford's claims, I needed to hear Mark Judge testify before the committee. You didn't allow this so I believe ford.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:27 a.m.

    " "This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election.... Revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups ... what goes around comes around"

    It does seem true. With Kavanaughs participation in the Ken Star investigation as a background, one could easily see the irony of this whole thing. It seems Kavanaugh didn't like it when what he did in the 90's came back in turn and was done to him.

    I'm not convinced this was a "clinton" hit on Kavanaugh, but based on Kavanaugh's actions as a member of the Star investigations, its easy to see why Clinton supports would have found him objectionable.

    But lets be honest here.... this was not a win for the Supreme Court. There were plenty of qualified conservative judges that would have not brought the baggage Kavanaugh did to the court. It's not a win for the Republicans, because unfortunately their true views on women's issues came in to clear focus - with Hatch's comment - "Grow Up". And it was a loss for the democrats for their leaking of this letter - just wrong.

  • EternalIyImpermanent Costa Rica, 00
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    Do standards matter?

    Will Orrin Hatch or Mike Lee speak to whether Brett Kavanaugh's Sept. 27th statement to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee -- in which he alleged "This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election.... Revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups ... what goes around comes around" -- violates Rule 1.2 of the Model Code of Judicial Conduct?

    Utah and Kavanaugh's Maryland have equivalents to this judicial canon, which says that "A judge shall act *at all times* in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence, integrity, and *impartiality* of the judiciary, and shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety."

    Lisa Murkowski, the U.S. senator from Alaska, cited Kavanaugh's violation of Rule 1.2 in opposing his elevation to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Or are rules for chumps, as when Republicans cynically tell us a new law is "constitutional," knowing that the U.S. Constitution is an illusory protection against a majority of their tyrannical acts?

  • Web Geek Lindon, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    This was a terrible moment in our history. Democrat senators purposefully waited until the last minute to allow this to leak out to the press. Both Ford and Kavanaugh were simply pawns to them. Collateral damage. They didn't care about the #MeToo movement, sexual assault, or protecting anonymity. The only thing on their mind was abortion. Several of them even admitted it. Shame on them, and the media that tried to destroy a good person for political gain.

    The rest of us should hold our politicians to a higher standard. This kind of behavior is unacceptable. Facts and witnesses matter when determining guilt, or even credibility.

  • Utah_Happyman Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    His clone is right their with him, Wilson is needed, change is needed...

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:47 a.m.

    @worf
    "Their behavior is to intimidate, mock, ridicule , and build wealth by creating enormous debts and deficits."

    You do realize that the only two modern Presidents to oversee a reduced deficit were both Democrats, right?

    And you do realize that Trump's tax cut paired with spending increases spiked the deficit and will balloon the debt, right?

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    Hutterite
    Impartial

    "With a dismissive wave and a condescending sneer, you let the women of america know how you really feel"

    "Hatch is out of touch with his constituency and most of humanity"

    One thing is clear, Hatch and most of the republicans in the senate committee agree that they believe something happened to mrs ford, but it is a material fact that she provided no evidence and no witness to corroborate her story. The committee gave extra time with a 7th FBI background check humoring the democrats and still there is no evidence.

    You cant possibly take just one persons accusation and claim it as fact without evidence.

    The democrats stoopted to new lows by disregarding mrs ford's request to remain anonymous, and purposesly waited until the final hour to leak the accusation to the press and used it as a weapon to smear, defame and delay the confirmation.

    Hatch is clearly in touch with his constituency, anyone with a clear mind knows baseless accusations are infact - Baseless!

    Said posters have clearly given in to the sophism and nihilistic tacticts, Alinsky style, of the extreme left. If ford had presented proven evidence kavanaugh would not be a scotus today.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:43 a.m.

    I have never been a big fan of Sen. Hatch, but I must give credit when he stands up for what is morally and ethically right, and legally required, and Constitutional.
    Thanks Sen. Hatch! The world is watching, and they saw American Democracy almost succumb to shrieking mob rule.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:39 a.m.

    We have witnessed the character of the Democratic party:

    * Creator of contention by condemning a man with no evidence or witnesses.
    * Mocking and ridiculing those who don't follow in their philosophy.
    * Constantly causing divisions of unfairness between different groups of people.
    * Little to no announced vision or expectations for America. Except to open borders, raise taxes, and control healthcare.
    * Their behavior is to intimidate, mock, ridicule , and build wealth by creating enormous debts and deficits.

    Create a crisis, condemn (through media), than gain power by presenting a conceived cure---Nancy Pelosi calling it a wrap around.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:34 a.m.

    Just stop orrin. You can't even remember your own hypocrisy. You are the best argument for term limits in government. You used your title for nothing more than to enrich yourself and everyone knows it.

    Please retire. Just go back to Pennsylvania, or wherever it is you actually live, and know that Utah will get better representation soon.

  • edgeoftheabyss OC, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    A fitting and honorable capstone of Senator Hatch's long and distinguished career. Well done.

  • HSTucker Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:24 a.m.

    Senator Hatch, thank you for your courage to stand for what's right. It is incredible that in the 21st century, simple fundamental principles of civilization and fairness need to be defended, but that illustrates the "depths of political depravity" (as you called it) to which the left is willing to descend.

    The adversary would overturn our scriptural and cultural standards requiring two or more witnesses to establish an accusation. We have been warned by a prophet that the "assaults of the adversary are increasing exponentially in intensity and variety." We have just barely defeated an attack on civilization. The adversary is far from done.

    Senator, particularly since it is unthinkable for Mitt Romney to summon the courage to take a stand against evil if it may be controversial, we will miss you terribly.

  • Puukko Orem Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:23 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch what a class act. Served Utah well.
    Time to put this Judge Kavanaugh thing to bed and move on to the next crisis.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    So we have another Georgetown Prep, Ivy league SC justice. The good old boy network is alive an well in DC. Is it any surprise that public opinion of Congress and the Supreme Court itself is at an all time low?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    No. Kavanaugh's confirmation was a foregone victory for the grumpy old men wing of the GOP, a demonstration of the only use they have for trump.

    With a dismissive wave and condescending sneer, you let the women of America know how you really feel Orrin. I hope they return the favour come election day.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:10 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch is out of touch with his constituency and most of humanity.