Since this was announced, I've been thinking of D&C 112:25 "And
upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the
Lord..." I wondered what that meant and how it would happen. We've
gone from church meetings almost every day before 1980 to temple recommend
interviews now just every two years, less church, no reporting of visiting
teaching - now ministering. (By the way, I haven't seen ministering sisters
or bros since that change) We can really be slack; it's easier to
"fake it" if we choose. There's the temptation to commit a little
sin; expecting that we'll "forget" about it by the time our Bishop
interview. I know this because these thoughts have actually crossed my mind. :)
Now, our choices will really sort us. This may be one of the biggest tests of
Earth life. Know what I mean?
does this mean its gonna be harder to get a sunday tee time.. that is a big
concern for me
My Primary aged kids are sad. They love every minute of the current 1:40 minute
block for Primary.On the other hand, 40 minutes is a LONG time for a
lesson for little kids.
I haven't seen anyone mention the men who volunteer to take the children
out because they get ants in their pants trying to sit through 3 hours. I know
my husband for one will find the reduced hours a great incentive to more regular
Mother's with babies know how difficult Sundays can be . These mothers know
their babies get hungry and need to be home in their own beds. This schedule
change came about so that young families can spend more time at home together.
For those folks who have no young children or any children, or even a spouse, it
was suggested that these members might plan to get together on Sundays. They
could plan pot luck lunches and a scripture study time, or a time to minister to
one another. We didn't vote on this. It was presented to us by our Dear
Prophet, President Nelson. It is up to us to make these Sunday hours very
special, something we WANT. Something that will build into beautiful traditions.
With planning, we will see that the Lord expects us to make our Sabbath a
beautiful day of peace and rest -- and so much better for young families with
I have honestly missed the old days with the three separate meetings on Sunday
and Primary, Relief Society, and Mutual during the week. Thus, this is not a
happy change or direction for me. But all these schedules are simply programs
trying interact with the realities of a society at large. The eternal truths
and principles are the same. Long before I was born, there were various other
norms in terms of church meetings. I wonder which one my grandmother, or
great-grandmother, preferred, having lived many decades in the 19th century and
the early 20th century?
I'm very much looking forward to the change. I've thought in recent
years that having both Priesthood meetings and Sunday School meetings were a bit
too much instruction after Sacrament meeting. And also, with my recent nursery
calling, trying to keep the little ones occupied and happy for almost 2 hours
has seemed quite wearying. The 2 hour block will be a very welcome change for
me. I also like the idea of pushing the later schedules, such as the 1pm-4pm
one, further back in the day. This is particularly true in the winter in the
northern latitudes, when it gets dark so early in the evening. This is what I
hope we get for the buildings, like ours, which have 3 wards: 9-11am,
10:30am-12:30pm, and 12noon-2pm. I think a 1/2 hour overlap is fine, because the
previous ward will be in the middle of their 2nd hour when the next ward starts
sacrament meeting, limiting crowded hallways.
"The Sunday church meetings will consist of a 60-minute sacrament meeting,
each Sunday, focused on the Savior, the ordinance of the sacrament and spiritual
messages,"Does this mean no more testimony meetings?
Love it.... Church is only an hour too long now.
Man, I had been hoping for an increase to 4 hours...Mostly because
I'm too lazy to prepare lessons at my own home and an additional hour of
planned programming would allow me to feel better about not doing FHE. Not sure
what I'll do with the extra hour, but I imagine my Netflix subscription
will be more appreciated (unfortunately)...What I need is
motivation, not just a reason or capacity.
I'll wholeheartedly follow the prophet and church leaders in doing this.
But initially misunderstood, and was excited about what I thought Primary might
be. That there'd be just a large sharing time with everyone, and the
lesson as part of that. Like a one-room school house. This would remove the
pressure (and loss) of having two teachers in each separated classroom. By loss
I mean that a lot of adults are pulled from RS and Priesthood, from Gospel
Doctrine class, disconnected from the rest of the ward, to serve in so many
positions in Primary. Had hoped that many would be released, with just enough
adults to maintain order in one large Primary meeting.
Maybe I — like many others — have been forward thinking, as I have
been practicing the 2 hour block for years. It just had an hour break in the
PacificCreek - trend in our area of the vineyard (Central California) has been
to consolidate units and create large wards (300-ish active members or more),
not the other way around. Maybe things are different in WA?I see
mostly positives with the revised Sunday schedule. The questions is, will
members utilize the changes the way they are intended? From what I heard,
flexibility is one of the major components and possibly even more socializing
which should result in stronger testimony and faith if done correctly.
As ours is one of those multi-ward buildings, I am looking forward (hoping) to
having NO unit overlaps. We would have time to socially mingle a
bit. We could even actually find an empty room for that hectic
personal schedule Sunday-only-availability interview. Imagine
coming to that little parking lot that the previous ward has mostly cleared --
after they have had some time to socialize after their own "block"!
"Millennials and younger generations are extremely reluctant to spending 3
hours in church on Sun.. They really value their computer and social media
time.. With secular college indoctrination it's easier to find excuses to
leave the faith..."They're not excuses. They're
reasons. Valid arguments. And, should they leave, they're perfectly free to
do so. They can go back if they wish. If people don't buy into it, maybe
take a look at the product.
I don't see this as a detriment to those children that are picked up by
others and receive instruction at church. Those children get ants in their pants
just like any other child. I think the shorter schedule will help with youth and
primary age children immensely. If you are concerned about helping children that
don't have a gospel centered home you are welcome to invite them into your
home evenings occasionally as well as taking them to church. This will let them
get to know the gospel in a different way than the formal church meetings and I
really think that it is that spirit of acceptance and friendship with the
members and feeling the spirit that is in a gospel centered home that gets
children interested in the gospel more than the doctrinal ideas presented in a
lesson in a church classroom.
The announcement of stressing increased teaching and learning at home was
wonderful and reducing the time spent in meeting at church to enhance that
concept makes sense. I wonder, however, if, in many wards and stakes, that extra
hour won't just be filled up with other meetings or activities. The list of
"meetings" in our ward, for example is pretty extensive: Ward Council
meeting, Executive council meeting, BYC, Choir Practice, Missionary preparation
meeting, both local and church-wide sponsored firesides, quorum and young women
planning meetings, ministering to assigned members, etc.. The excuse for holding
such meetings or ministering on Sunday, is that members are so busy during the
week that it is impossible to meet otherwise. If current practices stay the
same, I'm not sure an extra hour in the day will make much of a difference
in allowing home gospel study.
@Man from Dear River,Your question about the staggering of the
meetings; reminded me of another thing I worry about.I got the
feeling from the explanation over the pulpit that it would be up to Stake
Presidents to determine how to stagger the meetings for their wards (probably
depends a lot on the size of the wards, how many wards/branches meet in each
building, how many buildings each stake has, etc.); but that they suggested a
focus for earlier morning meetings.Another reason I may find it hard
to attend. I am not a morning person; and the only way I can even get to work
at a somewhat decent time during the week, is if I catch up on sleep on
Saturdays and Sundays. I was much more likely to attend church the years it
started at 1:00 p.m. than the other two times for my ward building (9:00 and
"4. The Gospel Principles class, usually reserved for new members,
investigators or members who are learning basic gospel principles, will be
discontinued."This makes me sad. I can't explain why I feel
as I do; but I have felt very uncomfortable in the regular Sunday School class.
As I was attempting to be "active" in church meetings again; I began
attending the Gospel Principles class and found I was much more comfortable
there even though I have been a life-long member. I was more comfortable for two
main reasons:1) it was much smaller; only a few individuals -- felt
more intimate and individually focused, and2) it focused on basic gospel
principles rather than trying to dig into non-scriptural dissertations,
political rants, doctrinal arguments, etc.I don't know if the
new schedule is more likely to change enough of the culture found in church
meetings that drains me emotionally or not; but to read that the one class I
felt comfortable in will be discontinued makes me quite sad and feeling like I
might not return.
The 3 hour block served its purpose for the time it was instituted but social
habits and patterns are evolving constantly and at a rapid pace. My HP group
attendance gradually got smaller and smaller. Many left for various reasons
after the 1st block. I could see burnout at different levels as the stresses of
life go well beyond church. Every change needs adjustments along
the way and this one will be no exception. I am sure we will talk about the 3
hour block years later with, "do you remember the old days of the 3 hour
block? Thank goodness we just have 2!" I have similar thoughts about the
old staggered schedule with attending primary on Tuesday evenings. It is all
about the now vs our perception of the past. This is a great opportunity to
further strengthen our own testimonies at home and help minister to those who
I remember the split on Sundays -- Sunday School in the mornings and Sacrament
meeting starting at 6:00 p.m. after the cows were milked. Primary and Relief
Society were held during the week. Priesthood meetings took place on Sunday
mornings, before Sunday School. If the members of the church accomplished
attending these meetings, during the week, it seems as if the new balanced
teaching schedule, between home and two hours of instruction on Sunday should be
so much easier. We have time to minister to those who the Lord needs for us to
love and know of his love.
Personally think there are two main drivers for this:1 with
population and membership growth, need to be able to fit more than 3 wards into
one building.. Real estate is getting pretty expensive..2
Millennials and younger generations are extremely reluctant to spending 3 hours
in church on Sun.. They really value their computer and social media time..
With secular college indoctrination it's easier to find excuses to leave
The church seems to be tending towards smaller wards. Gone are the days of
having 300 attending sacrament meetings in much of the church outside of Utah
and Idaho. Even my parents ward in UT only seems to have about 180 people
there. If you are going to have small congregations, you have to simplify. I
currently live in a ward where we only have 105-115 on a weekly basis and it is
a heavy load to try to schedule 3 or 4 speakers for sacrament meeting and staff
teachers for the following two hours.I see a general trend of
simplifying the church as well as making each person more responsible for their
own learning which is a good thing.
Isn’t there an “app” for Sacrament meeting?
>>What about the children that do not have a strong gospel centered home
but attend church because their parents make sure that they get there or a
neighbor or other member takes them?I think that's where
ministering should come in.
I think this change is wonderful!
gwenR. Very valid point. We can challenge those parents to try. Each
situation will be unique and the solutions likewise. My question is
do we know how the blocks will be staggered? 2 hours apart, 1.5 hours apart?9, 11 and 1PM or 9, 10:30 and 12?
Heavenly Father will show us the way to minister to these little ones. I have no
doubt about that. I just pray that we are listening when the spirit speaks to us
concerning the children that could possibly be left behind. My wife and I face
this situation with a family that we love with all our heart and are very close
to. The problem is that they live 4 hours away from us and we do not have the
resources to do much traveling. We will be directed to do what we can, there is
no doubt about that. And we will do our best to listen to that still small voice
as He whispers to us. We just pray that there are others listening that are
willing to act and help our precious little ones to benefit from this latest
revelation.I know that Father will provide the way to obey all of
My understanding is that number 4 is not correct. Gospel principles may be
taught during second hour at the bishop's discretion.
It seems to me that every decision has tradeoffs. The question is whether the
tradeoffs in this situation will lead more of God's children to Christ. I
believe they will. Perhaps the reason for this tradeoff would be that more
children will want to attend than with three hours so there will be less
instruction time but more attendees. Perhaps it's because some instruction
time might be traded for greater learning retention because children (and
adults) are often burned out by the end of three hours. Who knows? I'm not
sure exactly what the tradeoffs are to the Lord but I'll bet we come out
ahead of where we would be.
Vern62050This is one of my concerns also because I was one of those
children who had no gospel teaching or example in my home growing up. Instead,
some sweet sisters in our ward made sure I had a ride each week to the old
weekday Primary meetings. I had loving Primary teachers and leaders and because
of them I felt the Spirit telling me that the Church was true. Unfortunately,
when I was 11 my parents moved our family to a rural area where there were no
other members of the church close enough to give me a ride to church. It
wasn’t until I moved away from home after high school that I was able to
connect with the church again. I have to say that it was the good examples of
members in that early childhood ward that influenced that desire. I went on to
become fully active in the church and marry in the temple. So, I think it will
be vital as leaders, teachers, adults and relatives that we make a greater
effort to reach out to those children who don’t have the advantage of a
gospel-centered home. My take away is that we will need to minister more to
these precious children.
Maybe the family's ministering brothers and sisters will step up and help
them teach their children.
I completely and whole heatedly sustain and accept these changes. My question is
this. What about the children that do not have a strong gospel centered home but
attend church because their parents make sure that they get there or a neighbor
or other member takes them? Where will they get the home learning that is
intended? How will they receive the gospel education that they need? (I guess
that's three questions...)I know that there is a solution because
this is Heavenly Father's plan. But if anyone already understands the
solution or solutions it would be helpful. Because I am drawing a blank right