Is it time for BYU to give QB Zach Wilson more snaps?

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 9, 2018 9:39 p.m.

    "No I wouldn’t. Mangum is not a good college football QB and no amount of blocking will change that."

    He's binary.

    do I throw or do I run?

    So the defenses learned from Cal how to shut him down and he's been shut down ever since then.

    The kindest thing to do for Tanner for those like myself who would like to see him continue to take snaps is to rotate in the freshmen and let them get some action going. 6 games left and Wilson can play 2 more and Hall can play in 4 without burning redshirts.

    If Wilson shows an overwhelming improvement as Jello thinks he does - give him the next start and bring in Hall for clean-up time against the two teams that we have a good shot at running numbers up on. If not then Tanner can keep on starting and Hall gets some cycles in bigger games.

    I'm not sold on this notion of benching Tanner as Jello is (to his credit he's been saying this for years), but like Jello I think that the other QBs need to at least get some real playing time - then based on how they preform I think the next steps are obvious.

    The QBs aren't the only issues, but they are the largest elements of change in the system!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:34 p.m.

    @Conrad

    No I wouldn’t. Mangum is not a good college football QB and no amount of blocking will change that.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:56 p.m.

    This question is a resounding, YES. Move Mangum to the bench and bring in some fresh new blood.

    Even if it takes some time acclimating Zach it would be an improvement and help at least build a team for next year.

    Mangum has had far too long taking the snaps to be where he is today.

  • goducks SANTA CLARA, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Sadly, BYU will not beat UofU or USU again, ever. Oh the pain...

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    Well, what do we have to lose?

    🤔

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    If you can't block it, you can't run it. If the OL was dominant everyone in here would be hollering how great Tanner is playing. It is all on the Offensive Line!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    @CougarForever - Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:57 p.m.

    "A virtually certain win over Hawaii this Saturday (given their superstar QB's injury status) and all this QB/coach replacement talk will go away.

    Remember how great our coaches and players (Mangum included) were after the AZ and Wisconsin games? If you don't, go back and read the glowing comments that followed the DN articles covering those games."

    I don't have to go back and read. I know exactly what I said. Mangum was average at best in both games, while the rest of the team played well. The one thing Mangum did in both those games was take care of the ball.

    As for your "certain" win, I don't think so. The defense is struggling, the running game has stalled, and Mangum still stinks. How is Collie all WAC while playing at Hawaii and barely gets noticed in this offense? Thank you Tanner Mangum.

    Please change QB's or we will lose again. It's embarrassing.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:20 a.m.

    Let's be clear, turnovers kill. Mangum and the team were moving the ball ok and then Mangum throws one of the many head scratchers he has thrown in his career and it's a 7 and possibly 14 point turn around.

    Then if that isn't enough, the team is moving again and without any big hit he puts it on the carpet for another unforced turnover resulting in at least a 7 and maybe 14 point swing.

    Let me emphasize that both of these turnovers were UNFORCED. That is the epitome of Tanner Mangum. I had commented that the only improvement Mangum had made this year was turnovers and taking bad sacks. Now that has gone away. Whats bad is that there could have easily been two more picks had USU been able to hold on to the ball.

    Even his completion percentage is skewed in that most of his passes are for 5 yards or less.

    Yes our defense was bad the last two weeks and Sitake needs to address this soon! But that failure does not dismiss the fact that Mangum is not a consistent winner or leader,

    Make the change now or we may find ourselvews down by 21 to Hawaii by the end of the 1st quarter.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:55 p.m.

    1 - Our entire offense was never and isn't now the QB. Tanner made his mistakes, WRs dropped some very catchable balls, and USU relied heavily on using PIs to ruin long passes. The stats are skewed, Tanner actually played pretty well.

    2 - A defense cannot cover all guys at the same time. For example, 5 cannot block 7 each time, but if that's the case then 6 also aren't going to cover 6 - and that's the game. BYU got off to a great start, Arizona didn't know what to look for, Cal figured it out, Wisconsin didn't think we could battle them in the trenches and win, and then nothing has worked since then because we aren't LSU.

    To fix #1 and #2 - adjust - and that is why Zack Wilson should play. Not because Tanner isn't capable or as some type of punishment statement, have the defenses adjust to him when BYU falls stagnant. put Hall in as well, neither should play more than 4 games but they should play more than 5 snaps a game.

    3 - fire the DC and replace him immediately. Nothing is happening there, it's time for a change. If BYU goes for a more SEC offense, many of those teams win with 17 point games. Tanner had no shot against USU because they scored at will.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:05 p.m.

    "unfortunately for U the Ute's finished the cupcake portion of their schedule near the bottom"...

    What? If you're saying Weber State and NIU are the cupcakes, which were both wins, how would that put Utah near the bottom of the Pac12?

    And, if you're saying UW, WSU and Stanford are cupcakes, clearly you don't know what constitutes a cupcake.

    Let me help you... Wagner, Savannah State, New Mexico State, and UNLV. One would think watching byu football every year, you would be an expert on cupcakes by now. 😹

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:52 p.m.

    "A virtually certain win over Hawaii this Saturday (given their superstar QB's injury status) and all this QB/coach replacement talk will go away."

    What is their superstar QB's injury status?

    From what I have read he might play.

  • West Jordanians of Utah WEST JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:50 p.m.

    It all comes down to, “Which QB can lead BYU down the field and score on their first opening drive?” For me as a fan, I really miss seeing BYU march downfield like nobody’s business and without any time off, it’s 7-0. I’m tired of how the offense gets a first down or two, then ends up punting the ball. Execution of plays are a major key. How does this happen? With QB leadership. I see Mangum as a nice guy, but he needs to yell at guys if they are missing their assignments to make them accountable. He’s one dimensional, highly predictable and he needs to throw more downfield like he did last game. For me though, he had his chance and didn’t make the most of it. Time to change QBs.

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:57 p.m.

    A virtually certain win over Hawaii this Saturday (given their superstar QB's injury status) and all this QB/coach replacement talk will go away.

    Remember how great our coaches and players (Mangum included) were after the AZ and Wisconsin games? If you don't, go back and read the glowing comments that followed the DN articles covering those games.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:42 p.m.

    Foghorn:

    "BYU has won TWICE as many conference championships during the Whittingham era as Utah."

    There it is! Time to break out the the stadium size smack as well!

    I'm sure all the recruits and potential recruits and P5s are as impressed by that as the ancient accolades of the 'Edwards Era'.

  • UNCLE FRED SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:34 p.m.

    Zach Wilson should have started long ago. Mangum is perfect as a substitute and not a leader. It's a tough decision for staff but hey, every player is an adult. Life is not fair nor is coaching. Humble pie does not have a good flavor but one has to taste the bitter before the sweet is appreciated. Hang in there BYU. Just please beat the U this year

  • CountryCoug Parker, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    If we want better athletes to be playing, then play Jaren Hall. Start him or Wilson now or lose a bunch more games. He is much better than Tanner athletically speaking and he will grow into his role by playing now versus later. The season is not going well. I drove from Colorado to the California game and watched Tanner and the offensive coaching staff lay an egg. Glad they at least tried to throw some to the TE's last week. Wasted the season not using their best weapon- the tight ends. Grimes please take off the training wheels. Chance after chance blown with California. 2 yard pass and a cloud of dust. Nothing is going to change until Tanner is changed. He keeps on battling himself with his own mistakes.

    The athleticism has not changed much over the years, and I totally disagree with the U fans that blame the lack of it for the issues at BYU. The primary issue is having a QB that can't see defenders right in front of him and cannot consistently throw an accurate or a long pass. While some improvement occurred last week with the totally inept passing game, it is time to use Hall or Wilson for sure. The OL does not help either. Swiss cheese line - blitzes.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:42 p.m.

    @ Skywalker,

    You and Kalani Sitake need to evalUate game film together. Oh heck ya, Kalani will fix the problems for sure!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:19 p.m.

    BYU could have Tom Brady playing QB for them and it wouldn't matter one iota. The Y cannot attract talent or speed. BYU had a really good team in 1996, their only one in fact.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:55 p.m.

    This was previous #5 Oklahoma’s response the day after giving up 48 points in a 3-point loss to Texas:

    “I have great respect for [Defensive Coordinator Mike Stoops],”coach Lincoln Riley said in a statement. “He's a quality football coach, great man and a close friend. It became time for a change in our program and that happens sometimes in football, but we cannot lose sight of the accomplishments Mike had at Oklahoma. He was responsible for a lot of success and deserves the gratitude of everyone associated with Sooner football, not only for his role in the winning, but for coaching with integrity.”

    This should be Sitake’s message to his good friend DC after the Utah St debacle.

  • Arizonagolfer Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:52 p.m.

    I like Tanner, and I think he would have been more successful at a college with better athletes. BYU will never have the athletes it needs to be a national power, so it has to take the good athletes it has and put them in a combination to win and make it seem a little more exciting. Can anyone imagine how bad we would have been if we didn't have Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams and toss in some Fred Warner and Kai Nacua? I really doubt we will get that type of caliber at the same time again. We have to move on to Wilson, Jaren Hall and Stacy Conner especially with the schedule next year. Enough said, and Tanner I wish a great life and I am sorry he didn't pick Boise State.

    P.S. Detmer had nothing to do with a dismal offense; it was the lack of ability with the players. BYU will always have to get what it can from 2-star recruits. I am in Arizona, and I don't plan on supporting the Arizona programs, and will never be a Ute or an Aggie, so I will continue to be a BYU blue bleeding fan. I have just changed my expectations since we don't play in the WAC anymore.

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    This offense needs 1 thing.

    More targets to TEs to loosen things up for undersized running backs to get some ground. Then it'll start clicking for them. By targets, I'm talking 15 or more a game.

    There are no speedster WRs, but spreading it around on the field more and engaging guys like Bushman against smaller defenders is a way to even things up for RBs and wides alike.

  • Ronald Uharriet Menifee, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:42 p.m.

    If a team keeps failing, doing the same thing over and over again with the same personal, do we continue doing the same thing with the same personal, or do we try something different?

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:16 p.m.

    @ FT - salt lake city, UT - Oct. 8, 2018 10:28 a.m. - "No conference affiliation, weak recruiting, soft schedule, dwindling fan base. What is the future of BYU football that you can't currently see?"

    Dwindling fan base?

    Not possible. Heck, based on the amount of time and attention you Utah guys spend on our boards, you would all definitely be considered "fans".

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    There was always this pre-season prediction.

    Fear the Turtle: "BYU starts Hoge with Critchlow as the backup. Mangum is done and Wilson only plays if Hoge is injured and Critchlow ineffective."

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    Looks to me like our DC is in over his head. I bet Bronco would have fired him after last Friday's game.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:58 a.m.

    Mangum: 27/46, 270 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int (an UGLY pick-six), one 15-yd sack, 1 fumble. But he did that against USU's 1st and 2nd teams, and USU is no slouch.

    Wilson: rushing - 2 carries, 25 yds, passing - 3/4, 52 yds, 1 TD all against USU's scrubs.

    What to do?

    I'd give Tanner one more half. If the offense is not NOTICABLY better, I'd hand the keys to Wilson.

    Go Cougars!

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:58 a.m.

    imdocrob1

    “The game turned negative on friday when he threw the pick 6. Even the ESPN announcers were saying that he needed to find any way to get that ball to the FB who was wide open.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Tanner has extremely poor decision making skills when he’s pressured.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    KimmyP - Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:30 a.m.
    Remind us all, clawson, where did the cougs finish in their conference standings?

    Remind us all how many division and conference championships the Utes have won during the Whittingham era.

    BYU has won TWICE as many conference championships during the Whittingham era as Utah.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:48 a.m.

    The problems are bigger than Mangum, although I agree that he didn't play well. I really thought we had turned the corner with wins against AZ and Wisc, and a respectable showing against Cal. But now it feels like we regressed to last year. I get that USU is a good team, but they're not as good as Wisc. and we got dominated. Kudos to USU.

    @ FT - I like banter, and I get rivalry smack, but your comment has no basis.
    No conference affiliation (BYUs choice), weak recruiting (about the same average as during Mendenhall and MWC), soft schedule (really? compared to what? U have a soft schedule compared to the SEC, but this is the toughest schedule BYU has ever had and tougher than some P5 programs), dwindling fan base (still more than Utah). What is the future of BYU football that you can't currently see? (The future looks bright, it's the present that's not as rosy as I would like. I still think the Cougs will go 8-4 this year. Not bad for a rebuilding year.)

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:38 a.m.

    Hmm?

    Last year. Three of the four BYU wins came from a backup quarterback. The lone Tanner win was a struggle to a team who didn't win a single game all year.

    And this year?

    The common denominator is __________________.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    Two things:

    1) We don't really know how close the actual 'competition' was in fall camp, between Wilson and Mangum. Many claim it wasn't really that close. So, who do you believe? Coaches want to push players and keep other players motivated. Some of what we hear may have those considerations in mind with the presented comment.

    2) Mangum hasn't been the problem. Mangum isn't dropping balls and has even improved over this yr. Detmer's system didn't help any QB. Which is strange as he was such a great QB himself.

    I can see wanting Wilson to get more experience for next yr. I don't understand wholesale changing Mangum out.

    Can you point to something that Mangum did to lose to USU? Ok, turnovers, I get that. But he had a nice completion % and threw for nearly 300 yards in that game too. Every QB has INTs and fumbles.

    USU was going to beat BYU even if Wilson was the QB. Last I checked, QBs don't play defense.

  • imdocrob1 Salem, OR
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:19 a.m.

    How blind can many fans in here be. Mangum from day 1 last year looks like a deer in the headlights. Watch his foot work when he drops back in the pocket...Fred Astaire did less dancing than he does. He only throws well when on the run because he is less likely to take the big hit. The game turned negative on friday when he threw the pick 6. Even the ESPN announcers were saying that he needed to find any way to get that ball to the FB who was wide open. Take a step and throw around the lineman, change your delivery angle etc....but to true Mangum fashion as we have seen all year and last, when pressured he panicked and threw it right into the linemans arms. There were multiple occassions the rest of the game where he just threw the ball into the ground rather than trying to make a play in order to avoid the hit. Taysom was great because he could move the pocket and make defenses pay. We could see from Wilson that he can do the same but with a much stronger arm. I think we are long past giving this kid a shot. I felt from day 1 this fall camp if he was pushing our senior that hard then he should have been the starter and not Mangum.

  • Harline Still Open Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:39 a.m.

    Absolutely!!! I'm beginning to think though that it's also time to drain the swamp.

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    Anyone notice that a bad play by a receiver preceded both huge turnovers.

    3rd down, Micah Simon doesn’t plow forward to get the first down but stutters and goes east and west, next play is the pick six.

    Tanner heaves a pass to shumway who miscalculates And plays the defender instead of letting the ball land squarely in his hands in the end zone. Next play, strip sack.

    The common denominator is coaching.

    And thumbs up to everyone calling out the plain vanilla defense. I miss Bronco’s blitzes!

    Common denominator is coaching.

    That said, I’d like to see more of Wilson against quality competition to see what happens.

    My guess is they’ll give tanner a short leash this Saturday.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    No conference affiliation, weak recruiting, soft schedule, dwindling fan base. What is the future of BYU football that you can't currently see?

  • whatsinaname? Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    Maybe they would be better if they had better talent? All those of solid 2* recruits is not paying off. All those years of "stars don't matter" are playing out before our eyes.
    This is the new normal for the y, the only ones that don't see it are the fans.
    The defensive scheme is not the problem, Kalani can't run HIS defense with the talent that he has, same on offense. Mangum was a legit 5* kid, now forced to play with a bunch of walk ons or 1-2 * talent, what did U expect? of course he regressed to the mean.
    I honestly feel bad for him and the vitriol he is getting from y "fans", show some class, he a college kid playing a game and trying his best. I wish him well and nothing but the best because he has been all class in his 10 years at the y.
    8 is most definitely coming
    Go Utes!

  • Bronco come back Herriman, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:32 a.m.

    Tanner is awful. We've had him for 7 years, at what point do we begin building Wilson? Tanner is not going to the NFL, he has no chance, so lets put him on the bench to mentor Wilson and begin building for future seasons. I can't stand listening to everyone harp on the Defense as "The Problem". The D was terrible against USU, but has been strong in every other showing (except Washington, but did we expect anything else)? Tanner gave the D no rest time, and 90% of his passes are behind the line of scrimmage for 1-2 yard gains. And i keep hearing about 'dropped passes'. Take a look at the passes...they are late, they are the wrong shoulder, they are behind....It is time that we look to a new QB option.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    You should for sure burn his redshirt for no reason. Please.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    Just enjoy the journey because we fans have no say in what BYU coaches will decide. Just think of this as an engineering design project to get this rocket off the ground. There will be many crashes and burns but one rocket design will succeed.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    How about Beau Hoge. Last year he looked really good until his injury.

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    Neece, Congratulations to the Aggies. They looked really good.

  • rfrmac South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    So most of you think that most of your problems will be solved by letting Magnum go. First, Utah State is a good team, maybe a very good team for the area. Their offense was better than your defense. Your offense was not better than their defense. So the problems are much more than a Zach Wilson for Magnum switch. I do think that the "prepare for next year argument" has merit so maybe let Wilson start for a couple of games and see how far that gets you and then make a decision for the rest of the year. Once that decision is made, I would work on the defense. This is what makes sense to me. And if your waiting for the "cupcake" in November, they'll be waiting.

  • neece Hyde Park, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    Sorry Folks but it did my heart proud to see USU beat BYU. But in all honestly BYU didn't really even come to the game. They made a lot of errors and it just didn't seem like they had concise plays that were executed with excellence... I thought the QB did a good job but it wasn't backed up by his fellow players. Wagon Wheel to stay in Logan Again!!! Better luck next year guys!

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:32 a.m.

    Cougar Claws - Lindon, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:13 a.m.
    Listen guys, we all know that Tanner is a fairly average QB, but the blowout lost to Utah State was NOT Tanner's fault!

    Tanner’s pick 6 and fumble gave Utah State 2 easy touchdowns and cost BYU 2 touchdown scoring opportunities, a 28 point swing.

  • Maximus Meridius Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:30 a.m.

    Lots of things to adjust with this team. The most frustrating thing is the defense. We are not getting beat by speed. We are getting beat by pathetic coaching. Players are lost half the time and as has been mentioned, the Vanilla, non-adjusting scheme is terrible. It's almost like the DC set the defense for game one and put it on cruise control and took a 6 week vacation. After 10 years at Utah you would think coach K would be more creative on defense. Zero pass rush is losing games. Protecting the back end doesn't cut it when you are down 3 scores. Get creative. You have nothing to lose vs. the current scheme.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:30 a.m.

    Remind us all, clawson, where did the cougs finish in their conference standings? 🤔

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:13 a.m.

    Listen guys, we all know that Tanner is a fairly average QB, but the blowout lost to Utah State was NOT Tanner's fault! Look at his numbers for the game. 27 of 45 for 270 yards and a couple touchdown passes. Yes he threw a ridiculous pic six and I'm not giving him a pass for that. Still, if the running game did what it usually does to teams, and what it should have done against the 100th ranked run defense in the country, and if the defense didn't decide to basically take the week off, we're talking about a much different result in this game. This is a game that BYU should have had the chance to compete in and possibly win at the end. BYU's offensive line had no business getting manhandled the way they did against Utah freaking State!

    Also, no one is commenting on the elephant in the room. I've been pretty underwhelmed by Ilaisa Tuiaki as D-Coordinator. His players looked lost and like they forgot how to tackle. I know he's Sitake's buddy, but he needs to be willing to make a tough decision and find someone better. He did it to Ty Detmer. Time to make some tough decisions, coach.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:02 a.m.

    KimmyP - Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:31 a.m.
    Why all of the angst? The cupcake portion of the schedule is approaching,

    Looking forward to the last cupcake in November.

    Unfortunately for Utah, U finished the cupcake portion of your schedule near the bottom of the PAC 12 standings.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    Is it time?

    It was time 3 weeks ago.

    NOthing has changed with BYU coaches, they're still playing favorites and not the best players.

    Season lost...Coaches inaction is driving fans away.

    #Mangum does not produce points!

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    Its not Tanner. He’s throwing the ball well. Defense, O line, RB . Those facets have tanked.
    Having said that, there is nothing wrong with playing Wilson more snaps. I’m loving watching Taysom Hill and the way N.O. Is finding ways to use him. Im not claiming we have a hidden T.H. not being utilized but I think we better be trying some new looks. Like right away.
    Before this season started we all would have been pleased with a bowl game. It can still happen, but there is not a lot of room for error now.
    I will travel to the game Saturday in hopes for seeing some life. Even the fans were asleep ladt week.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:55 a.m.

    Yes! He is the future and Mangum is the past. He means nothing to the future of BYU football and the new kid needs time under the center and begin shaping the future of BYU's offense.

    As for the defense...I don't know what to say.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:31 a.m.

    Why all of the angst? The cupcake portion of the schedule is approaching, so everyone can settle down and wait for the built-in wins to make things right in Happy Valley.
    This scenario plays out every year, with the same "ground hog day" charm. 😹

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:19 a.m.

    All this negative talk about Mangum might just cause him to be depressed. Have you byu fans no compassion at all? Mangum is trying hard, but as an old boss of mine once said, "Even a steer can try!" The byu problem is a paucity of talent in the players - nothing else.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:04 a.m.

    The offense is getting worse not better...yes, it is time to shake things up.

  • bemorefair MH, 00
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:56 a.m.

    It's time. Unleash the beast!

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:26 a.m.

    "BYU has had a weak offense for the past year and a half. Common denominator? Tanner."

    Sorry Worf, but there are a lot of things in common other than just Tanner. Not saying the team needs a change. Last two games have really exposed the weakness in this team. But Tanner isn't the reason other teams have been scoring at will on the Cougars. Tanner isn't the reason fast running backs and receivers have been burning the up the field on them.

    Yes, it would be nice to have a great defense. But as we saw from the Texas / Oklahoma, defense doesn't win games. It just gives you a chance to win the game. The reality is though that even the best QB can't win without a good line in front of him. If you looked at the percentage of plays where the QB (Tanner in this case) has played forced out of the pocket - BYU has a real problem. Yes, a more mobil QB would be nicer. But Tanner used to be a mobil QB too, until he got beaten up over and over again trying to allude the defense.

    The offensive line, as unglamorous as it sounds, wins and looses games. BYU doesn't have the right package in there right now - or at least they aren't being coached to win.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:52 a.m.

    Lets look at facts. BYU can't run the ball. What's their average? 50 yards a game? They can't pass the ball with consistency. This offense is sophisticated but needs a mobile QB. Mangum actually played better than usual vs USU, but they still could not drive the ball.

    Tanner has a cannon. But he cannot run. He can't evade tacklers. Where are the running backs?

    This whole offense is in a shambles. Start the kid now. If he can't do it, start the next guy. And for Pete's sake can't we find a rusher on defense?

    Kilani: here's the deal. Last year stunk. This year stinks worse. You're a good guy, but if this keeps on, you'll be gone next year. The problem is: this team is getting worse by the game. Maybe you've already lost them. Sad.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:22 a.m.

    The problem is NOT Mangum. When he puts the ball in the bread basket and the receivers can't hold on, or the receivers aren't able to run good routs, or the coaches can't coach better execution, then blaming Mangum is silly. Personally, I think what needs to change is the coaches. Maybe the AD is afraid to admit that hiring an inexperienced head coach was a mistake?

  • 72coug12 casper, WY
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:49 a.m.

    Byu can not run. They can not pass. They can not block. They can not kick. They can not tackle. And most of all they can not coach.
    Sataki made the wrong decision on who to start at QB at the first of the season. He can't motivate his defense. HIs offence is terrible. Last year he fired Detmer. Who is he gonna fire this year? Standing on the sidelines and shaking his head seems to be his number one strategy. It is embarrassing.

    The real question is where is Tom Holmoe? AD is supposed to make changes when they need to be made. It is past time Mr. Holmoe.

    1. Fire Sataki. Holmoe was obviously desperate when he hired Sataki. Fire him now, not at the end of the season. Hand the reigns over to one of the assistants to finish the season. Start the search now.
    2. You might want to start looking up at Logan. Is Wells LDS? Or talk to Trevor Matich.
    3. Start Wilson. Tanner is done. 26 of 47 not going to cut it. Especially when most of the completions were thrown to a receiver behind the line of scrimage. He looks scared in the pocket.

    4. Do not go to the Navy guy. Not one single alum wants BYU to run the triple option.

  • whatsinaname? Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 11:52 p.m.

    Sorry but replacing mangum is not the answer, despite what all the experts on this thread think. The y has zero running backs, a decent offensive line, below ave receivers and TE, and that is just the offense.
    The same is true of the vaunted D, ok line, good LBs and below ave secondary with zero depth at any position. So blaming all that on mangum is just lazy, get him a running game like U had the first 3 games of the season when U were competitive and U will see the difference.
    Oh and @ Cougforever, I wouldn't count any games as a win, U just got boat raced by an ok, un ranked mtn West team, At home!
    Good luck the rest of the way.
    Go Utes! 8 is coming

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:48 p.m.

    Replacing Mangum is not the answer. He actually is a net positive for the team (even with his obvious occasional errors).

    One hopes that those on our coaching staff who decide which QB starts are not influenced by the shrill calls by some fans to bench Mangum.

    Many talk as if the sky is falling -- it is not. Before the season started, most of us would have been satisfied with a 3-3 record at this point -- with predictions generally that we would beat either AZ or Cal, lose to Wisconsin and Washington, beat McNeese State and USU (instead we unexpectedly beat Wisconsin and lost to USU).

    The schedule now becomes easier. Hawaii's starting QB is injured and they have to make a long trip here to play at altitude. Northern Illinois does not look like a challenge. UMass and New Mexico State are virtually assured wins. Even Boise State looks beatable. No comments about Utah until we see them play a few more games.

    With at least 4 more wins practically guaranteed (and possibly more with wins over BSU and Utah not out of the question), this still is going to be a good season despite the disappointing game against Utah State. No need to replace our QB at this time.

  • Francisco American Fork, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:38 p.m.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:33 p.m.

    Two things I think will get immediate and effective positive results to get things back on track:

    1) Yes, start Zach Wilson now, and

    2) Put another coach in charge of running our defense right now. It's baffling and frustrating to watch such a plain vanilla defense with hardly any plays called (maybe none?) to pressure the QB. All Tuiaki has mainly been doing is relying on four D linemen to try to get to the QB. The last two opponents have been very grateful for that as their QB's have had plenty of time to pick out receivers and pick our D apart. We have Alema Fitisemanu on our staff, it might be worth it to give him a shot.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:21 p.m.

    Joe Critchlow won 3 of his last 4 games last season. Just when they had learned and started executing Detmer’s offense, Kalani pulled the plug.
    With Grimes offense you need a dual threat at quarterback. One that is mobile and make defenses pay.
    Looks to me like Zach Wilson is that guy.
    Do you think I’m coming all the way to watch Mangum this week? Not a chance.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:10 p.m.

    SIMPLICITY - Denver, CO
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:53 p.m.
    “Tanner is a once in a lifetime 5 star recruit.”

    What exactly is a lifetime 5-star recruit and whoever claimed that?

  • Jefferson, Thomas Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 9:53 p.m.

    How many loses does it take to find out if there’s a better QB option? BYU should have been using Wilson or someone since game one. Finding and/or developing the next starter. Either way next year will require a new QB. BYU is taking loses and still doesn’t know how good the backups are. It’s past time

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:53 p.m.

    Tanner is a once in a lifetime 5 star recruit. Just give him some more time and we will all see results. No knee-jerk reactions, rather we should believe in the man and the system.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:51 p.m.

    You can’t block 7 with 5. Doesn’t matter if you have NFL lineman. When defenses load the box and bring pressure you have to be able to throw deep to loosen the defense. You can’t run when you’re outnumbered up front. You can’t keep teams out forever when they blitz. You have to have someone who can throw.

    Same thing applies to BYU’s defense. Utah won in Saturday by sending 5, 6 and sometimes 7 at the QB. as a result, they forced turnovers and won. BYU fired the wrong coordinator. Maybe the next coach will get it right.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:50 p.m.

    yes

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    As I have said on quite a few occasions (I apologize for beating a dead horse), but the opponents defensive strategy for the rest of the year is going to be just as the Ags and Huskies did. Stop the run and force Tanner to beat you with the pass. Unless they get a dual threat quarterback in there it will be the same strategy game in and game out. Obviously the strategy works really well. But the Cougs do have more problems than Tanner. I said previously that unless the front 7 can put Jordan Love on his back the defensive backs would have problems. 4 passing touchdowns and 1 rushing touchdown later it is obvious the front 7 cannot put enough pressure on the quarterback and the defensive backs can't cover fast wide receivers. With the rushing yards the Ags had you have to wonder where the linebackers disappeared to. The Cougs have some offensive problems, but the defensive issues are just as critical.

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:56 p.m.

    Should have started Wilson 6 games ago. What the statistics do not show is Mangum’s inability to drive, score and keep the other teams offense off the field. Yes our pass rush is terrible, you could give the other teams QB a lawn chair with the time they have to pass. Yes our receivers could drop fewer passes, but there is NO leadership. No confidence in our QB. Start Wilson now to turn this ship around. For a year and a half we have been awful, the only common factor is Mangum. What will it take to get the coaching staff to understand they made a mistake at qb? Their pride is stopping them.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:46 p.m.

    It was already painfully obvious after the Washington debacle that a QB change was desperately needed.

    Tanner is a nice guy, but he lacks leadership skills and he isn’t capable of making difficult throws, which is why his completion percentage is high, but his offensive production in TD’s and yards gained is low.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:40 p.m.

    It's 3 games too late! You can't expect what is working to cover for what isn't working on a football team. Eventually what is working (the defense) is going to break.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:39 p.m.

    Yes.

  • Curtaco Monroe, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:38 p.m.

    The coaching staff's actions have made playing Wilson difficult by already squandering half of his redshirt exemption with meaningless action in two games. The new rule was a gift to schools like BYU. it allows a player to compete in 4 games and still redshirt. So Wilson and Hall could see action in big series, and both would still begin 2019 as Freshman. Wilson is used 50% of his season for less than ten snaps.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    With the new redshirt rule you can play 4 games and not burn a redshirt.

    Save BSU and UTAH for Tanner.

    Have Wilson take the majority of snaps against Hawaii, N.Illinois, Mass. and NM St..

    Tanner is a team guy...he gets it.

    Wilson comes back for 2019 with real game experience.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:11 p.m.

    I agree with several comments. No pass rush, soft zone coverage, unable to contain the edges. Needs a change. The one thing Wilson brings is the ability to run. Mangum is no threat.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    Time to give him all the snaps

    The future is now

    Magnum won’t win any games that Wilson would not

  • BYUTEFAN Riverton, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:04 p.m.

    Again my biggest concern is that the conversation has changed from “accountability is key...no time off...sense of urgency”... “weren’t prepared...need to be more focused...not staying disciplined”

    I don’t care if Wisconsin overlooked BYU they’re still a very talented and good team. I believe like Brian Logan started...they’ve maxed out What Tanner can do. I don’t think Tanner lost this game...but don’t think he can necessarily win it either. I think they limit Tanner too much so that he’s scared to open up but on top of that he just struggles to be consistent with decision making and timing. It’s obvious the receivers are frustrated but man they’ve dropped some great throws too. I’m not sure Wilson is the answer other than to give a spark ...but if he comes out and is mediocre like Critchilow last year then what???

    And then there’s the o line!!! What in the world?????!!!! USU rush defense was ranked in the 100’s...Grimes and Pugh need to find an answer for the inability to run. We should be blowing up the run game with or without Squally.

    In all honesty I think there’s a leadership issue. Last year Ranner and Pauu folded emotionally. I think it’s happening again

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:38 p.m.

    Its time to stop blaming the offense and Mangum when the defense cant stop any offense in division 1. Oppossing qb's blow d backs away and they leave recievers wide open with broken coverages. It was a mistake to go to a 4-3 with 1 on 1 play by the corners. BYU defensive strength has always been at linebacker and Kalani took one more of those off the field and replaced them with a slow lineman. All day long the qbs have to throw. No pressure on oppossing qbs and none of them know how to wrap up. D stinks as bad as the offense. May be time for Kalani to move on. He forced Ty out when that side of the ball stunk so bad so now why not him.

  • Ltrain St. George, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:24 p.m.

    If they change the quarterback we’ll drive up to the game. If not, the family will stay home and watch the MLB playoffs on tv. I try not to swear on the day before Sunday but watching the current quarterback play, those words find their way out.

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:20 p.m.

    Tanner is a lot like his dad. A really nice person. His dad. Football wise, College of Idaho would of been better.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:08 p.m.

    Why is it that Dylan Collie catches more passes as a Hawaii Warrior than a BYU Cougar?

    Time for a change.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 7, 2018 5:59 p.m.

    BYU has had a weak offense for the past year and a half. Common denominator? Tanner.

    Got to quit blaming receivers, dropped balls, etc. For what ever reason, the offense isn't cutting it.

    Time for Zach.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 5:43 p.m.

    BYU receivers also need to learn to run their routes and read the ball better. Mangum had a beautifully placed pass to the end zone, the receiver had his man beat, but the USU corner thought the ball would drop earlier, so he made a play on the ball. Had the BYU receiver looked, he would've realized it was perfectly thrown to him and he had his man beat. Finally, Zane Anderson. He got caught cheating trying to "make the play," instead of just playing his man/position. USU took great advantage of it.

  • pickemright FREDERICK, MD
    Oct. 7, 2018 5:41 p.m.

    The biggest problem is the defensive scheme. rush 4 rush 4 rush 4 every time. A fool is someone who keeps doing the same thing & expects a different outcome. No blitzes, no pressure on the Qback, just rush four. Any D-1 QB will become a great QB when there is no pressure---all the time in the world to throw the ball. Linebackers are 10 yards off the ball. The O-line collapses the D-line into the middle leaving the ends open for long runs. Give any back 10 yards to get a full head of steam and arms are not going to be able to tackle them. Oh and did I say rush 4 rush 4 rush 4. If the D scheme does not change, no more wins this year, regardless of who the Q back is.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 5:38 p.m.

    It is hardly reasonable to compare Wilson's performance against USU's second/third units with the game well in hand to Mangum's struggles against their 1s. Second, the secondary has been abysmal for the past two seasons. Any time BYU faces a decent quarterback, the QB has an incredible completion percentage. That's not Mangum's fault. Third, the blocking was horrendous, and not just from the O-line. Tight ends need to stick to their blocks. Mangum kept several plays alive during that game, scrambling out of broken pockets and finding the open man. Better blocking would allow a run game to actually be established. Fourth, it doesn't do any good to have great passes if the receivers are just going to drop them. They even dropped a wide open pass from Wilson.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    If you want to write this season off, by all means start Wilson. He probably won't win more games for you than TM but at least he'll get the experience to build on for next year.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 4:23 p.m.

    Wilson looked very confident, competitive and relaxed out there so maybe it is time for him to throw the Football for a while. The best of luck to him and to Tanner too.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 4:20 p.m.

    Being that the correct answer is a resounding yes, the question must be rhetorical...

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Oct. 7, 2018 4:17 p.m.

    yes already...is shocking Magnum is still starting. Every rational observer can see this is needed. Magnum is a wonderfully nice young man, but not a leader..and the team long ago lost confidence in his ability to pass downfield.