Utah, Utah State receive votes in both Associated Press and Coaches polls

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  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:11 p.m.

    Oct. 9, 2018 6:36 p.m.
    @ "BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985"

    @ UU: “Not really,
    Miami beat then #1 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
    Oklahoma beat then #1 Penn State in the Orange Bowl”

    Yes really!

    BYU was already ranked #1 in both major polls.

    It was incumbent upon some other team to beat #1 BYU. Both Nebraska and Washington were given that opportunity and turned it down, something that the poll voters obviously noticed and when it came time to cast their votes, the majority of voters refused to reward Washington or Nebraska for passing on their chance to prove that they were better than #1BYU on the field.

    You don’t prove that you’re better than #1, by beating #2 or #3, especially when you could have played #1, but refused.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:36 p.m.

    @ "BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985"

    Not really,
    Miami beat then #1 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
    Oklahoma beat then #1 Penn State in the Orange Bowl
    BYU beat 6-6 un-ranked Michigan in the Holiday Bowl played in December

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 6:02 p.m.

    Well, this devolved into a nonsensical discussion pretty quick. Who honestly cares about seasons that happened decades ago?

    The way I see it.

    Utah -- Impressive win over Stanford. Tough upcoming schedule, but I see the Utes finishing the season well -- and almost certainly ranked. If you can beat Stanford at Stanford, then Utes can still pull out an impressive season.

    Utah State -- Huge win over BYU. The Aggies are finally back, baby, and are likely not going away soon. The Aggies still have tough road games against Boise State, Hawaii, and Wyoming. My prediction? The Aggies will have very close games on the road against a vastly improved Hawaii and a still strong Boise State, but will prevail to win the Mountain Division Title.

    The game against SDSU is presently a toss up however, but both SDSU and the Aggies will end their respective seasons ranked in the top 25.

    BYU -- As much as I also love the Cougars, I am afraid that last Friday's game was foreboding. BYU needs a conference soon in order to right the ship. This season? They will have 6-7 wins and will barely be bowl eligible.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 5:04 p.m.

    @BlueCoug:

    The truth is:

    BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 — all selected Consensus National Champions by all 5 major selecting organizations.

    Utah 2008 = W Michigan 2016 — neither recognized by any major organization as national champions.

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    utemythology

    "Nope!"

    Yep. The truth is just as BlueCoug stated.

    Your "truth" is nothing but jealous speculation based on nothing but your own biased opinion. and lacking even a shred of actual proof.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 4:00 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “Utah has 4 CC in over 20 years, same as BYU.”

    Utah only has ONE CC during the Whittingham era;

    BYU has TWO.

    Utah only has ONE 11+ win, Top 15 season during the Whittingham era.

    BYU has THREE.

    Not a single Utah coach (not named Urban Meyer) has won back-to-back CC since the 1950’s.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 3:50 p.m.

    utemythology

    “1983 Miami and 1985 Oklahoma would be NC under BCS/CFP rules.”

    So would BYU, because under “BCS/CFP rules”, BYU would still have been ranked #1 in both major polls, and no team ranked #1 in the AP and Coaches polls has ever been left out of the National Championship game.

    The 1984 Holiday Bowl was the defacto National Championship game because the #1-ranked team in both major polls played in that game.

    Washington and Nebraska were both invited to play BYU, but both chose to play lower ranked opponents.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 3:36 p.m.

    utemythology

    But I am using Robbie Bosco to fight laugh at your fantasies:

    “With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls.”

    Bosco’s off the cuff remark, 30 years after the fact, doesn’t prove anything.

    When asked immediately after the win over Michigan game whether BYU deserved to be #1, Bosco answered with an emphatic, one-word reply:

    “YES!”

    The majority of AP and Coaches poll voters agreed.

    Unfortunately for U, the BCS system that you like to trot out for validation, ranked Utah SIXTH in the final poll, not even close to earning a berth in the BCS championship game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:11 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:41 a.m.
    utemyths

    “Just face reality: 1984 BYU = 2006 Western Michigan”

    Nope, that’s just jealous Ute fan folklore.

    The truth is:

    BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 — all selected Consensus National Champions by all 5 major selecting organizations.

    Utah 2008 = W Michigan 2016 — neither recognized by any major organization as national champions.

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    Nope!

    The truth is:

    1983 Miami and 1985 Oklahoma would be NC under BCS/CFP rules.

    While 1984 BYU = 2006 Western Michigan under BCS/CFP rules, according to Robbie Bosco.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:06 p.m.

    MRM - Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:43 a.m.
    utemythology

    “Losing to 6+ P12 teams is common, see Oregon, ASU, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, etc.”

    Losing to mediocre to bad WAC, MWC and PAC 12 conference opponents is common for Utah.

    That’s the main reason Utah has only won 6 conference championships in the last 6 decades, only one during the Whittingham era, and none since joining the PAC 12.

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    Utah has 4 CC in over 20 years, same as BYU.

    Nope! The main reason is for the first 40 of those years Utah was a dumpster fire, just like BYU is today

    Enjoy 3rd place in the state.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 1:00 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:01 a.m.
    utemythology

    * BYU 5 years prior to 1984 #1 13-0: 1979 #13, 1980 #12, 1981 #13, 1982 UR, 1983 #7

    * TCU 5 years prior to 2010 #2 13-0: 2005 #11, 2006 #22, 2007 UR, 2008 #7, 2009 #6

    TCU didn’t have four straight Top 3 Heisman Trophy finishers - Wilson, McMahon, Young and Bosco - who added to BYU’s credibility.

    But, why are you using TCU to fight your battles, when it was Utah who failed miserably to make themselves a serious national championship contender in 2008.

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    I don't need to use TCU, 2008 Utah was the top G5 team under BCS/CFP rules.

    But I am using Robbie Bosco to fight laugh at your fantasies:

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."

    1984 BYU = 2006 Western Michigan

    You welcome!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:23 p.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:07 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You’re welcome to your opinion, but there’s still a lot of football left to play.
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    No doubt about. You will notice that my "opinion" is backed up with statistics to support it. It's easy to spew that Stanford is over rated and shouldn't be ranked. It's much more difficult to find any statistic to back up such a claim. I think that by season's end you will see that both WSU and NIU will have had solid season. Utah should be AZ but you never know. That's the beauty of college football. Peace Guy

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:20 p.m.

    Meanwhile:

    A. Smith 23/39, 275 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int
    T. Hill 5carries, 23 yards, 1 TD

    Saints 43, Redskins 19

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    Re: The truth is:

    BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 — all selected Consensus National Champions by all 5 major selecting organizations.

    Utah 2008 = W Michigan 2016 — neither recognized by any major organization as national champions.

    ——

    True...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 12:07 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You’re welcome to your opinion, but there’s still a lot of football left to play.

    The Utah team that lost to WSU and barely beat NIU would have been destroyed by Stanford.

    The BYU team that beat Wisconsin would have beaten Utah St.

    The Texas team that lost to Maryland would have been destroyed by Oklahoma.

    It happens.

    The picture will become much clearer as the season progresses.

    The Utes better not sleep on their Stanford win, or Arizona could be the next “giant” killer.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:50 a.m.

    Stanford was either vastly overrated or was caught looking past Utah.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:41 a.m.

    utemyths

    “Just face reality: 1984 BYU = 2006 Western Michigan”

    Nope, that’s just jealous Ute fan folklore.

    The truth is:

    BYU 1984 = Miami 1983 and Oklahoma 1985 — all selected Consensus National Champions by all 5 major selecting organizations.

    Utah 2008 = W Michigan 2016 — neither recognized by any major organization as national champions.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:07 a.m.

    MRM - Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:29 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Stanford was obviously vastly overrated; in fact, the Cardinal should never have been ranked.

    That said, the Aggies are clearly the best team in the state.

    2nd place will be decided in November.
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    What do you base your position on? Lets look at some statistic and facts; shall we? Per the Saragin Rankings:

    20) Utah, Strength of Schedule (SOS) = 4
    27) Stanford, SOS = 9
    39) Utah State, SOS = 104

    Per CBS Sports top 129

    27) Stanford
    35) Utah
    52) Utah State

    FYI; I'm a big Aggie fan; really nice to see them thump BYU. However, they play a much softer schedule than Utah; Utah will beat BYU and they would beat USU. Good luck to USU the rest of the way; I hope the Aggies win out.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 11:01 a.m.

    utemythology

    * BYU 5 years prior to 1984 #1 13-0: 1979 #13, 1980 #12, 1981 #13, 1982 UR, 1983 #7

    * TCU 5 years prior to 2010 #2 13-0: 2005 #11, 2006 #22, 2007 UR, 2008 #7, 2009 #6

    TCU didn’t have four straight Top 3 Heisman Trophy finishers - Wilson, McMahon, Young and Bosco - who added to BYU’s credibility.

    But, why are you using TCU to fight your battles, when it was Utah who failed miserably to make themselves a serious national championship contender in 2008.

    In fact, it took U almost the entire season just crack the Top 8, something BYU 1984 did by week 2.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    @skywalker - Palo Alto, CA

    The biggest difference between 1984 and 2008 is BYU spent six seasons building credibility with the voters, finishing in the Top 12 five of six seasons.

    Utah did absolutely NOTHING from 2005 to 2007 to build credibility with the voters. Unranked all three seasons and SHUTOUT 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV in 2007.

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    Hahaha! You have been corrected over and over yet you continue to choose to live in an alternate universe.

    *BYU 5 years prior to 1984 #1 13-0: 1979 #13, 1980 #12, 1981 #13, 1982 UR, 1983 #7

    * TCU 5 years prior to 2010 #2 13-0: 2005 #11, 2006 #22, 2007 UR, 2008 #7, 2009 #6

    TCU six hears before #2 2010 was MUCH more impressive than BYU. But TCU still couldn't match the 2008 Ute team.

    Just face reality: 1984 BYU = 2006 Western Michigan

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:43 a.m.

    utemythology

    “Losing to 6+ P12 teams is common, see Oregon, ASU, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, etc.”

    Losing to mediocre to bad WAC, MWC and PAC 12 conference opponents is common for Utah.

    That’s the main reason Utah has only won 6 conference championships in the last 6 decades, only one during the Whittingham era, and none since joining the PAC 12.

    Utah isn’t even capable of winning a division championship because of constant losses to 6+ loss conference opponents.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:39 a.m.

    skywalker - Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:52 p.m.
    utemythology

    “It earned us 16 AP 1st place votes, highest ranked G5 team under BCS/CFP rules.”

    LOL

    There’s no such thing as BCS/CFP
    “rules” for the AP poll.

    The AP rules in 2008 were EXACTLY in the same as they were in1984.

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    LOL

    Except for the fact that #1 vs #2 played each other which affected the AP voters.

    Are you really that clueless?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:40 a.m.
    utemythology

    “When was the last time BYU beat a PAC-12 team with 6+ wins?”

    yawn

    When was the last time Utah didn’t lose to at least one PAC 12 team with 6+ losses?

    There’s a reason why Utah has never won a PAC 12 South championship; you’re just too blind to see it.

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    Losing to 6+ P12 teams is common, see Oregon, ASU, Arizona, UCLA, Washington State, etc.

    What isn't common is having ZERO wins vs P12 teams with 6+ wins, see BYU.

    The reason is we lost the tie breaker vs 8-5 USC, when 10-3 #17 Utah tied for 1st in 2015.

    There's a reason why BYU is 3rd in state, I think you are smart enough to figure out why.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:33 a.m.

    A bunch of silliness going on in this thread. It is so fun to see USU do well. It was fun to see BYU beat Wisconsin. It was fun to see Utah beat Stanford.

    Utah's upcoming schedule is harder than both BYU and USU. I suspect BYU will have a few more losses including one from Utah. Boise State is a huge challenge for USU. Utah has USC, Oregon, and Colorado but cannot overlook AZ St. AZ or UCLA.

    As the season plays out Utah and Utah State have something to play for. BYU... nothing.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 10:29 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Stanford was obviously vastly overrated; in fact, the Cardinal should never have been ranked.

    That said, the Aggies are clearly the best team in the state.

    2nd place will be decided in November.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 9, 2018 9:22 a.m.

    @ skywalker (aka Lone Star)

    You sure had a lot to say about how Utah was going to get crushed vs Stanford; and then not a peep after the game. So now you have put on you anti-Ute outfit since Utah crushed Stanford and your poor Couggies got routed at home. Well, stick with your anti-Ute rant; that's really all you have left. How fitting; I love it!

    Go Utes!

  • CG Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2018 8:40 a.m.

    utemythology

    “When was the last time BYU beat a PAC-12 team with 6+ wins?”

    yawn

    When was the last time Utah didn’t lose to at least one PAC 12 team with 6+ losses?

    There’s a reason why Utah has never won a PAC 12 South championship; you’re just too blind to see it.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 10:52 p.m.

    utemythology

    “It earned us 16 AP 1st place votes, highest ranked G5 team under BCS/CFP rules.”

    LOL

    There’s no such thing as BCS/CFP
    “rules” for the AP poll.

    The AP rules in 2008 were EXACTLY in the same as they were in1984.

    The biggest difference between 1984 and 2008 is BYU spent six seasons building credibility with the voters, finishing in the Top 12 five of six seasons.

    Utah did absolutely NOTHING from 2005 to 2007 to build credibility with the voters. Unranked all three seasons and SHUTOUT 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV in 2007.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:17 p.m.

    skywalker - Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:38 p.m.
    And lets not forget those "lucky" Utah wins over ranked schools like Alabama, UCLA, Michigan, TCU etc.

    None of them were impressive enough to earn U anything more than a distant 2nd place finish in one poll.

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    It earned us 16 AP 1st place votes, highest ranked G5 team under BCS/CFP rules.

    BYU never finished higher than #14.

    Those lucky wins is why a 9-4 Utah finished ranked.

    When was the last time a 9-4 BYU was ranked?

    Good luck with Hawaii!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:13 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:37 p.m.
    UU - Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:16 p.m.
    @ skywalker "BYU 2011 finished ahead of Utah in AP, Coaches and Sagarin"

    “And yet BYU lost at home by 44 to Utah that year... kinda takes the punch out of your argument”

    Proving that one perfect storm win does not a season make. See lucky Utah wins over USC, Oregon and Stanford.

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    You then agree Wisconsin was a fluke win.

    Those are lucky wins? When was the last time BYU beat a PAC-12 team with 6+ wins?

    Focus on Hawaii, let us worry about the P12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:09 p.m.

    mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:28 p.m.
    utemythology

    Wow! How pathetic is Utah? The Utes need BYU to fight their battles because they’re too scared to play the Aggies.

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    Hahaha!

    But we're not scared of BYU.

    8 staight and counting over your sorry team.

    Enjoy 3rd in state, watch out for Weber State.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:38 p.m.

    And lets not forget those "lucky" Utah wins over ranked schools like Alabama, UCLA, Michigan, TCU etc.

    None of them were impressive enough to earn U anything more than a distant 2nd place finish in one poll.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:30 p.m.

    @Lone*Star "See lucky Utah wins over USC, Oregon and Stanford"

    And lets not forget those "lucky" Utah wins over ranked schools like Alabama, UCLA, Michigan, TCU etc.

    According to BYU fans like you, all Utah wins over teams that finish the season ranked are lucky.

    Don't you wish BYU could get "lucky" more often and beat the quantity of ranked teams that Utah has beaten?

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 7:58 p.m.

    Lone star,

    Let me get this straight, so if Utah were to take BYU off the schedule and replace them with Alabama that would mean Utah was scared to play BYU, correct? Yeah right that makes a lot of sense.

    Let’s talk about that Michigan team. Utah beat them and BYU got absolutely throttled by them. Your vaunted offense had a total of something like 99 yards for the game.

    So you’re saying the Utah team that beat Michigan was too scared to play the BYU team that couldn’t even get past midfield on Michigan. Got it, makes a lot of sense.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:44 p.m.

    UU

    “You must also think that Utah was "scared" to play BYU when they took the Cougars off their schedule.”

    Absolutely; Chris Hill was so scared to play BYU and Michigan OOC in the same season, that he ran away from BYU to schedule Michigan.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Oct. 8, 2018 6:37 p.m.

    UU - Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:16 p.m.
    @ skywalker "BYU 2011 finished ahead of Utah in AP, Coaches and Sagarin"

    “And yet BYU lost at home by 44 to Utah that year... kinda takes the punch out of your argument”

    Proving that one perfect storm win does not a season make. See lucky Utah wins over USC, Oregon and Stanford.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:16 p.m.

    @ skywalker "BYU 2011 finished ahead of Utah in AP, Coaches and Sagarin"

    And yet BYU lost at home by 44 to Utah that year... kinda takes the punch out of your argument

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    @Elkhorn "Utah and Utah St are rivals who played yearly for over a century, before Utah lost to the Aggies in Logan, then bought out their next scheduled game in Logan, then completely dropped the Aggies from Utah’s schedule. BYU has NEVER lost a home game to Weber St in any sport, men’s or women’s."

    You must also think that Utah was "scared" to play BYU when they took the Cougars off their schedule. That would be faulty logic... Utah is never scared to play BYU who they currently own (8-0) or Utah State who they also own (15-1). Come a little stronger next time.

    By the way, congrats on never losing to Weber State... that's big time stuff there Elkhorn.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:39 p.m.

    “The discussion is “win vs significant win”, so yes... margin of victory has significance.
    2004 52-21
    2008 48-24
    2011 54-10
    are significant wins for Utah.”

    LOL 😂

    BYU 2011 finished ahead of Utah in AP, Coaches and Sagarin,

    proving just how insignificant the Heaps meltdown was.

    The truth is, Utah’s ONLY significant win of the bunch was 2008.

    BYU’s narrow wins in 2006, 2007 and 2009 were MUCH more significant.

    All THREE regular season ending wins over Utah helped propel BYU to 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, something the Utes have only accomplished TWICE in their entire history.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    utemythology

    Wow! How pathetic is Utah? The Utes need BYU to fight their battles because they’re too scared to play the Aggies.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:04 p.m.

    SameJersey - Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:26 p.m.
    With all due respect, Uteology (and I don't agree with the premise of your comments), we have yet to see if the Aggies are #2 or #1 in the MWC.

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    That's not my opinion but the opinion of over 100 national polls. SDSU is ranked higher.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 3:02 p.m.

    Aunty Mythology - Monrovia, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:28 p.m.
    utemythology

    “fans pretending that a fluke win at Wisconsin is bigger than being thumped by MWC #2 team on your own field.”

    No different than 5th place PAC 12 South Ute fans doing victory laps over fluke wins over ranked Stanford, USC, and Oregon.

    You’re just lucky that you’re not playing Utah St in Logan this season because they’d thump U just like they did the last time Utah visited Logan.

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    Wow! How pathetic is BYU? Cougar Nation needs Utah State to fight thier battles!

    Utah State might beat us, your sorry program can't.

    Just a suggestion, you ignored by last advise and got thumped by USU, focus on Hawaii.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 1:22 p.m.

    Elkhorn - "So NOW, margin of victory is important? After years and years of Utah fans claiming that Utah’s narrow 1 to 7 point wins over BYU were meaningless because a win is a win?"

    I am not sure of your point.

    The discussion is "win vs significant win", so yes... margin of victory has significance.
    2004 52-21
    2008 48-24
    2011 54-10
    are significant wins for Utah. The others are just "win is a win".

  • EightOhOne St. George, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:52 p.m.

    How embarrassing for some byu fans to be reduced to jumping on the aggie band wagon (wheel). Whether Utah, or Utah St is the best team in the state, remains to be seen. But guess what, you currently have a losing streak to both schools, so you have no seat at the table. Shhhh, run along now, the adults are talking here

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:28 p.m.

    utemythology

    “fans pretending that a fluke win at Wisconsin is bigger than being thumped by MWC #2 team on your own field.”

    No different than 5th place PAC 12 South Ute fans doing victory laps over fluke wins over ranked Stanford, USC, and Oregon.

    You’re just lucky that you’re not playing Utah St in Logan this season because they’d thump U just like they did the last time Utah visited Logan.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:26 p.m.

    With all due respect, Uteology (and I don't agree with the premise of your comments), we have yet to see if the Aggies are #2 or #1 in the MWC. That Boise State loss to SDSU looked pretty brutal for Boise, but SDSU also only put up a mere 19 points against the Broncos.

    Aggies are first in their division right now (second in the MWC), when and if the Aggies do make it to the championship game, SDSU (I am assuming) better pray they put up far more than 19 points on the Aggies because the Aggies will put up far more than 19 against SDSU.

    But this is all pie in the sky until we EARN it, a road game against a 6-0 Hawaii is going to be anything but easy as is a road game against Boise State and Wyoming.

    Go Aggies! WIN THAT TITLE!

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    “Is it really a "signature win" if it comes down to your opponent missing a field goal?
    Beating a ranked team by 19 is signature.
    Beating a rival by 25 is signature.”

    LOL 😂

    So NOW, margin of victory is important?

    After years and years of Utah fans claiming that Utah’s narrow 1 to 7 point wins over BYU were meaningless because a win is a win?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:14 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:56 p.m.
    LOL at our jealous little brothers pretending that beating vastly overrated Stanford is a big deal.

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    LOL @ 3rd place fans pretending that a fluke win at Wisconsin is bigger than being thumped by MWC #2 team on your own field.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Oct. 8, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    UU

    “Using your logic, BYU is scared to play Weber and SUU because they're not on the Cougar's schedule this year.”

    You lack logic.

    Utah and Utah St are rivals who played yearly for over a century, before Utah lost to the Aggies in Logan, then bought out their next scheduled game in Logan, then completely dropped the Aggies from Utah’s schedule.

    BYU has NEVER lost a home game to Weber St in any sport, men’s or women’s.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    I have said it before:

    It is NOT a good idea for either program (USU or Utah), to not meet each other once a year. Geographic rivalry games are important, even if one is in the PAC-12. Just look at Colorado and Colorado State.

    USU is on the cusp of becoming the next Boise State. Even without the U they have scheduled both LSU and WSU for next year. They are a great program in a good conference. There will likely be up and down years for both programs, but one can essentially count on the fact that USU is going to be a good OOC team to schedule moving forward as it is already the most important rivalry game for both schools.

    In contrast, who knows what the Church is planning on doing with an independent BYU football. As the LDS Church keeps getting larger on a global basis, it appears the powers that be (i.e., the ecclesiastical leaders) could not care less about American football and whether the Cougars are doing well. They already dropped athletics entirely from BYU-H and BYU-I. If I am Utah, I have to be wondering if BYU-P football is ever going to be what it once was -- or, if it is going to maybe even disappear entirely.

    Time to reunite the Brothers annually.

  • top of the world ,
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    Aggie238...thanks. That is an excellent comment that supports what you have to say in a clear and logical manner...and with facts. Great job of countering my assumption. I will relent somewhat, based on your great research. I will rate the kicking games of the two teams as even. The Ute kicker may not have the records, but he is very consistent and can also send the ball through from mid-field. Three nice ones against Stanford was a huge help to the team. That's not to down play the importance of your guy. And for what it's worth, I hope the Aggies go unbeaten the rest of the way, not an easy road to travel. I like the Utes, but if the two teams were to meet in LV I would try to attend and along with my BYU hat, and despite my appreciation for Coach Whit and Covey and others who wear red and white, my loyalty would lean toward the Aggies.

    From the growing metropolis of Boise, Idaho, good day everyone.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    All the talk of "being scared to play" another team or "signature wins" is hilarious.

    Schedules are set far in advance. Who knew USU was actually going to have such a good team this yr? It's not like we could just drop BYU and replace them with USU, this yr. because USU is finally actually good, right?

    So, Utah isn't afraid of scheduling Michigan but is afraid of scheduling USU? A team Utah has beaten 15 of the last 16 times? Yeah, the logic holds up.

    Signature wins: You don't know if it's a signature win until the season is over, or at least later in the season.

    What if Wisconsin loses to Michigan this weekend and falls out of the rankings, with 2 losses? The only 2 loss teams in the polls are SEC teams. What if Wisconsin also loses to Penn State and Northwestern? They don't finish ranked. Is that a "signature win"?

    Those things could definitely happen. So, let's not count a win as a "signature win" until it is one. Right now we don't now.

    Beating Wisconsin and Stanford are good wins for our programs. But signature? Don't know.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    sooner,

    Maybe the utes should gift the AGGIES 5 turnovers and see if that offense that showed up for all of ONE game, can overcome that. Both teams have very good defenses, but the Aggies have an offense that has showed up for every game this year. History has taught us that the utes will blow a game or two or even three just by being the utes. How many years in a row has that happened? And it will happen again this year.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    "Is it better to be ranked or to beat a ranked team?"
    Its better to be ranked late in the year.

    Beating ranked Wisconsin is salt in the wounds for Cougar fans shocked shocked shocked by losing to Utah State. "how could we beat Wisconsin but lose to USU??" The lucky win led to over confidence and certainty of a 10-2 season.

    Is it really a "signature win" if it comes down to your opponent missing a field goal?
    Beating a ranked team by 19 is signature.
    Beating a rival by 25 is signature.
    A missed field goal is just luck.

    "Scared to play the Aggies"
    A match is still possible. First, Aggies have to win the MWC. They'll head to Vegas. ESPN can then drag Utah to that bowl. Tradition says the Aggies should "gift" the Utes 5 turnovers, and then we'll see if the Aggies can overcome the deficit.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:50 a.m.

    Utah is too scared to play the Aggies... a team they've beat 15 of the last 16 times?

    That's simply BYU "fan"tasy talk

  • UU Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2018 5:44 a.m.

    Aunty,

    Using your logic, BYU is scared to play Weber and SUU because they're not on the Cougar's schedule this year.

    See how that works? It doesn't hold up very well, right?

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 11:14 p.m.

    If you Utah is going to play any in state FBS school it should be USU. It'll help the SOS. Personally I'd rather just play USU once every few years and schedule out of state teams in their place. BYU should just be dropped altogether.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 10:32 p.m.

    rockwell,

    I never said they were ranked, just getting votes for the top 25.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 7, 2018 9:12 p.m.

    Sports Nutz - Smithfield, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:25 p.m.
    skywalker,

    “I think every team would much rather have a record good enough to be ranked over beating an overrated team...”

    You’re absolutely correct, being ranked is much better than beating a ranked team.

    Reality, however, is that none of them are ranked.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:25 p.m.

    skywalker,

    I think every team would much rather have a record good enough to be ranked over beating an overrated team in a so called signature win, followed up by laying an egg or three. You hold onto your "signature win" and the Aggies and Utes will enjoy getting votes for the top 25.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    Wallbanger - Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:19 p.m.
    The “Utes are too afraid to play USU”

    That’s an absolute fact, especially in Logan.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:56 p.m.

    LOL at our jealous little brothers pretending that beating vastly overrated Stanford is a big deal.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 7:30 p.m.

    @top of the world

    My only disagreement is on your assessment of the kicking game. USU has the best place kicker in the country right now in Dominic Eberle. He currently co-holds the NCAA record for most points scored in a game by a kicker. He's the only current collegiate player to have made three FGs of 50+ yards in a single game, and the sixth player all-time to do so. He's also tied for the third most FGs scored in a single game.

    @Naval Vet

    The Aggies have 9 votes in the AP poll compared to Utah's 5 votes. In the Coaches Poll, the Utes have 12 votes to the Aggies' 11. Check your facts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:47 p.m.

    LOL at fans of 3rd place BYU doing victory laps for signature wins.

    1984 BYU signature wins?

    unranked 8-4 Air Force

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 6:19 p.m.

    The “Utes are too afraid to play USU” coming from coug fans never stops making me laugh. When Utah is pretty much FORCED to play the cougs each year, how does it benefit them to play two in State teams? With room only for three OOC games? Time to drop byu from Utah’s schedule all but permanently, and play in rich recruiting areas.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 4:59 p.m.

    Is it better to be ranked
    or
    to beat a ranked team?

    -------

    utemythology: Dude, you got spanked at home by MWC 2nd best team.

    Dude, you totally dodged the question.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 3:56 p.m.

    utemythology

    Dude, you barely beat a MAC team and you’re too scared to even play the Aggies.

    Congratulations on beating a vastly overrated Stanford team.

  • Aunty Mythology Monrovia, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 3:50 p.m.

    utemythology

    yawn

    Utah’s signature win:

    unranked/#24 Stanford

    BYU’s signature win:

    #15/#10 Wisconsin

    Until Utah has the guts to play Utah St in Logan, your cowardice speaks volumes of how Utah compares to the Aggies.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 3:43 p.m.

    NavalVet,

    The Aggies received 4 more votes than the Utes in the AP poll. This is just a clarification.

    Honestly, I hope both teams do well and I could see a both ending their seasons in the top 15. Utah State is bound to win out going 10-1 approaching a showdown with Boise State at the end of the season. After BSU lost this weekend loss to SDSU, my money as of right now would be on the Aggies.

    Likewise, the Utes could have a great rest of the season.

    Go Aggies and Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2018 2:27 p.m.

    skywalker - Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 11:53 a.m.
    Signature Wins

    BYU at #10 Wisconsin
    Utah at #24 Stanford
    USU at unranked

    Is it better to be ranked
    or
    to beat a ranked team?

    -------

    Dude, you got spanked at home by MWC 2nd best team.

    You might comsider putting on a paper bag and lay low for a while.

    You still haven't answerd how your recruiting and money advantages couldn't stop BYU from falling to 3rd in state.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 7, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    So now, not only had the indy-WACers been destroyed by Utah St, but both the AP and the Coaches polls have Utah receiving more votes than Aggies as well. How miserable for Dick Harmon.

    Interestingly, Bluto's favorite poll -- Sagarin -- has the Utes ranked 20th -- good for 2nd best in the Pac-12. That ought get him into booking the first flight out to Tulsa! Haha!

  • top of the world ,
    Oct. 7, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    What I consider to be a snub of the team from Logan really doesn't surprise or bother me. Not too many voters around the country would be inclined to give Utah State much notice at this juncture, and beating a weak BYU didn't raise eyebrows. By the same token, the Utes taking Stanford down does have meaning to the voters. If the Utes win out, they will deserve a climb up the polls. If the Aggies win out the climb will not be as rapid simply because of their location and history, though a record of 11-1 would be deserving of a top fifteen slot.

    I have been keeping track of both teams...the pollsters have probably not done the same. I feel I am as qualified as most of those voting and at this point I give the Utes the edge with the kicking game and the Aggies the edge with overall team speed. A propensity to get penalized is about the same with each team. I have noted very little difference in coaching expertise. Putting presure on the QB, secondary coverage, line backers...not much different. O line goes to Ut State. D line is a toss-up. All of this despite having very different opponents to judge by.

    I would enjoy reading contrary opinions/reasons.

    Adios for now!

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 7, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    Congrats to the Utes and the Aggies!

    Both should be ranked in the top 25, but I feel that oversight will shortly be remedied.

    Go Aggies and Go Utes!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 12:02 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Aggies. This recognition is well-deserved and overdue.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 7, 2018 11:53 a.m.

    Signature Wins

    BYU at #10 Wisconsin
    Utah at #24 Stanford
    USU at unranked

    Is it better to be ranked
    or
    to beat a ranked team?