O.K. so I have watched one more time as President Nelson addressed our use of
the full name of The Lord's Church!I fully support President
Russell M. Nelson as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and President of The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Nothing more needs to be said.
RE: Craig Clark. “All Christian denominations see themselves as part of a
larger all-encompassing universal church begun by Jesus.”In
essentials, unity; in nonessentials, liberty; in all things, charity.” An
essential that unites Christians from diverse theological traditions around the
the Trinity in Mt 28:18-19
. Therefore go and make disciples of all
nations, baptizing them in the*name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit.”"Name"(not names) is used for the
majesty, glory, dignity, of the Godhead. Name(Ónoma, G.3686) the
manifestation or revelation of someone's character, as distinguishing them
from all others.E.g.. Holy Trinity Catholic Church, Trinity United
Methodist Church, Trinity Episcopal Church, Trinity Lutheran Church
All Christian denominations see themselves as part of a larger all-encompassing
universal church begun by Jesus. All that's likely to come of yet another
political correctness crusade is renewed petty sectarian bickering.
RE: Christ's name is 'not negotiable' as center of church's
name/ Jesus Christ named The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Christ Is His Title. The word Christ is the Greek equivalent of the
Hebrew word for "Messiah" or "anointed one." Christ was the
title given to Jesus.Jesus is the Greek version of the Hebrew names
Joshua, Jehoshua, and Jeshua. It means "The Lord (Yahweh) saves" or
"The Lord "Yahweh) is my help. This name stresses His humanity.
... Continued from: "I don't know, but I plan to tailor my words based
on circumstances and audience."In short, I know who's
church it is, I know who is at the head, and I know who to worship.An argument was put forth that "many believe we worship Mormon;" I do
not find that argument credible. I don't know anyone who believes that a
"Lutheran" church (for example) "worships" Martin Luther but
rather identifies they agreed with Martin Luther over arguments against the
Roman Catholic Church. Thus I do not know of nor believe there are any persons
who think we "worship" Mormon just because it has become a nickname of
the church.Hence, I will tailor my speech to the audience I am
speaking to and the circumstances of the conversation; and sometimes use the
full name of the church; and sometimes not.Just as I have a proper
name that I use for legal documents, and nick names my family and friends use;
and even screen names I use online, I don't make bones about others always
using my proper name. Same with the church, I might say "Mormons" to
collectively refer to members, and LDS church for shorthand on forums. I will
let God judge whether my heart is in the right place or not.
@Happy Convert and @Mack2828,In August when the first announcement
came out, it was clearly intended for the media; I wondered how much of a push
would be for general members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints.I too, remembered earlier talks (not just from then Elder
Nelson, but many others including bishops, stake presidents; even my Mission
President I do believe) that attempted to refocus on Jesus Christ's name. I
don't recall dates very well; but I do also recall when the church
underwent a huge branding change; with Jesus Christ being in large lettering;
and the rest of the name surrounding it in small lettering.From the
initial report; I thought it would be more about a refocus on our Savior; than
so much worry about names itself; hence I was surprised to see the choir change
its name. And, then to listen to Pres. Nelson in conference and I am a little
"confused" as well.Each President of the church has left
specific legacies; perhaps this is Pres. Nelson's legacy; Perhaps 1990
wasn't the time but it is now, or perhaps like other pushes; this one too
will fade away. I don't know, but I plan to tailor my words based on
circumstances and audience.
This is probably more of a theoretical/theological issue than a practical one.
The religion-formerly-known-as-Mormon has a right to be named whatever they
want. But, for example, if we referred to Roman Catholics as
"Pope-guys", no one would really care or be offended.
Still waiting for the church to update the name of my "LDS Tools" app.
Although calling it "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints
Tools" app is going to make it tough to fit on my phone screen.
I loved his talk on this subject. It was great to refocus the faithful on this
important topic. The comment that hit home was that the true Church of Jesus
Christ has been hidden all this time on the earth under different names. And
Satan prefers that. Such a simple message that has incredible
meaning. Hidden no more! Let’s help spread the word.
President Nelson's talk today, in which he gave us the mind and will of the
Lord, supersedes anything President Hinckley or any other apostle or prophet has
ever said on the issue before today.We follow living prophets in
precedence to dead ones, especially if there is even a hint of disagreement,
which there really isn't. If President Hinckley were able to
come from the Spirit World, he would have gotten after President Nelson if he
had done anything other than speak boldly to the people what the Lord wanted
said. And that is what Pres. Nelson did, convey the message the Lord had for his
people regarding the name of His Church. And for faithful followers, it
isn't negotiable, although the Trib will do its own thing and prove to
observers who it speaks for.
Happy Convert,Thanks for your thoughtlful (and correct) comment.Just a few additional thoughts to the comments made by Mack2828 and BYU
NATION:* President Hinckley was not the Prophet in 1990 when he delivered
his talk in October of the same year. President Benson was the Prophet.* President Hinckley did not "correct" then Elder Nelson. In fact, he
praised Elder Nelson for his April 1990 talk. * The quote provided
by BYU NATION is lifted from a paragraph of President Hinckley's talk. In
this particular paragraph he is referring to Mormon himself.* The
talk by then Elder Nelson includes the following.... “Years ago, its
members were cautioned by the Brethren who wrote: “We feel that some may
be misled by the too frequent use of the term ‘Mormon
Church.’” (Member-Missionary Class—Instructor’s Guide,
Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1982, p.
2.)." It is evident by the reference to the Member Missionary
Class Instructor's Guide that Elder Nelson was not the first to note the
use of the name "Mormon Church". The intent of his talk was to elaborate
on the scripture found in D&C 115:4.
I really don’t see this sticking. LDS and Mormon are so common.
Mack2828 ~ "Pres Nelson gave a similar sermon about the name of the church
back in the 90's. Six months later in the next general conference, Pres
Hinckley got up and very gently corrected him and reassured the members that it
is perfectly okay to be called Mormons. So if the Lord inspired our Prophet
President Hinckley to say that it was fine back in the '90's, why
would he change his mind and now tell Pres Nelson that it is wrong?"With all due respect, President Nelson has received revelations from our
Heavenly Father for us to be known as members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of
Latter-day Saints - not by the common nickname from those who do not belong to
Christ's true church in these latter days. When you go to a chapel or
Temple, there is the same emphasis of JESUS CHRIST. The Church is
constantly changing. As members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day
Saints, we should embrace these changes (the Tabernacle Choir and the new
two-hour Sunday meetings) as these are revelations from our Heavenly Father
given to our Prophet, President Nelson.
I loved the clarification given by President Nelson regarding the name of the
church. I was glad to hear the reasons and they make complete sense.If we truly believe we are Christ's restored church our name should
reflect that. That there will be people and organizations that
won't make that change is a given, and it's too bad that they cannot
allow change, but those who do make the change (in particular church members)
will more accurately represent what we claim. And the idea of
questioning former church leaders for using and promoting the title
"Mormon" is kind of laughable. Everyone deserves the chance to course
correct - individuals and organizations. If this correction is a sticking point
for some it's due to a misconception about how revelation works and how the
church is led or they have an ax to grind.
The talk "Mack2828" is referring to is from the October 1990 general
conference called "Mormon should mean 'more good' " given by
President Hinckley. It's a great talk, worth reading. In it
the Prophet says "Mormon is not a word of disrepute, but that it represents
the greatest good--that good which is of God."
I support the focus on Christ's name in the Church, but am confused why the
same principle does not apply to the name for Christ's priesthood? If the
Church cannot be called after the name of Moses, why can the priesthood be named
after Aaron and Melchizedek?
It will be interesting to see if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
replaces all of their angel Moroni statutes on their temples with statues of
Christ. After all, we do not want to confuse the world on who we worship.
This topic has been confusing to me. Pres Nelson gave a similar sermon
about the name of the church back in the 90's. Six months later in the next
general conference, Pres Hinckley got up and very gently corrected him and
reassured the members that it is perfectly okay to be called Mormons. So if the
Lord inspired our Prophet President Hinckley to say that it was fine back in the
'90's, why would he change his mind and now tell Pres Nelson that it
Good luck with that. Yes, the Utah faithful will go great lengths to change what
they called themselves for decades. It's not an "offensive
nickname". Remember the leadership sanctioned, multi million dollar ad
campaign, "I'm a mormon"? And church paid for "Meet the
mormons" movie? But, do what you want to try to reverse 100+ years of
history- the rest of the world will still be calling them "mormons".
I appreciated Pres. Ballard's message so much this morning. I have a
husband who was killed almost 6 years ago and still miss him profoundly. I wept
as I listened with my ears and heart to what Pres. Ballard said and the depth of
his message and instructions which I felt were just for me. I would just like
to thank him, as he not only prepared for General Conference but will be with
his family and friends at his dear wife's funeral tomorrow. I honor him
and his faith in an eternal perspective of life.