The coaches jobs are on the line. I think they now realize major changes are
needed. The more they continue to play Tanner the worse it is going to get.
They must realize this? Teams have figured out that they can stack the line on
defense because Tanner can't beat them. Only a QB change is going to help
some and why not replace a few folks along the OL? Worth a try at this point .
They need to move some more safety's to LB. They all looked a
step slow the past few games. Awful line surge. Kaufusi is decent but his
leverage is not good at times.
NightOwl,I have no power to censor another person's thoughts.
They may make arguments, if it's a bad argument I might call them out on
it.The job function of an AD is to earn money for the school -
because that's the final objective of college sports - through various
means, with the biggest coming in form of donations and sponsorship support that
don't register, they need to earn money.They are business
leaders. They hear the HC and can dismiss his opinions and dismiss the HC at
their pleasure.There is a huge amount of people who think that
sports is a popularity contest - the truth is that it's business and not
sports.BYU is a big brand today. say they went into the top 10 for
a few years in a row - can you imagine how many "fans" BYU would have?
Not necessarily lasting fans, but a church of 16M members would have a massive
amount bandwagon onto the winning cougars. Consider that with a still huge
fanbase, great TV coverage (compared to G5 teams) and a large stadium and
tradition.I'm open to other people's thoughts - I just
think they should be logical and pertain to the matter at hand - football is
business for these schools!
Yes here is the identity:Mangum = Losses
I still believe that BYU is a national brand but due more to the Mormon church
than anything they are putting on the field for the past several years. I feel
that the only way I would ever want us going back to a conference is if we were
guaranteed the ability to broadcast every game on BYUtv if it is not nationally
televised. I never want to go back to the days where i had to search for the
game on tv/radio. I think like Josh said, a few good years of winning will
change things but the problem is "how do we get those few good years of
winning"? This team looks worse every game they play and against
competition that isn't as strong. Not sure what the answers are but I sure
would like to see a coach who holds his players responsible. Not sure I
believe they are, I mean how can you leave a guy 15 yards wide open at the
goaline....too many mistakes everywhere and I don't think any
accountability for it. I mean why not sit Mangum down for a series or two after
his shameful pick 6 and fumble....teach him there are consequences for
mismanaging the game.
london_josh - Lincoln, CAOct. 8, 2018 10:07 p.m.Said:"At it's peak BYU was a huge brand, BYU is still a massive brand. In
the MWC the only band close to BYU is Boise - BYU and Utah are interesting in
terms of value due to PAC affiliation and recent history before PAC affiliation
but BYU still has more fans than Utah.If you can't understand
value proposition maybe you shouldn't be commenting. "And
there is where you lost the argument. Telling someone what the can or can't
"No conference will take us. We are done and not appealing to any P5, G5 or
whatever."This isn't about choosing the prom king.It's based on money.At it's peak BYU was a huge brand,
BYU is still a massive brand. In the MWC the only band close to BYU is Boise -
BYU and Utah are interesting in terms of value due to PAC affiliation and recent
history before PAC affiliation but BYU still has more fans than Utah.I'd argue that a lot of BYU fans are fair weather fans which sort of
bothers me - but there are a lot of them and if you give BYU a few winning
seasons with the backing of the church that owns it the band-wagon fan-base is
absolutely massive.If you can't understand value proposition
maybe you shouldn't be commenting. I don't like the idea
of going back to a conference, I don't think cord cutting makes BYU less
appealing, if anything BYUtv makes it more appealing - but if BYU went to the
MWC I would predict that acceptance would come before anybody could mount any
opposition to the plan, it would be done inside of a week under NDA and be
announced because it's not about popularity, this is a pure money move for
any reasonable AD.Any G5 would sign BYU on the spot.
Rob,I was at the game with my kids. Good news is that I have 8 year
old twins and a 7 year old and they are young enough that they thought that it
was a close game and we lost because of bad calls - that's a lot better
than the reality!I'm still a BYU fan, I'll always be one,
and I stayed until the final play of that horrible game.I might
change my mind by the end of the season. I knew USU was good but didn't
think they'd win because outside of BYU they weren't really tested.
Maybe it's that USU is really good this year.Hawaii may or may
not be the same result depending on the QB situation there.It's
a bit of a mess right now - positives is that no matter what we're better
than last year. Last year we could only beat bad teams, it's hard to
fathom finished as bad as last year at this point in time. It's
progress!As for how to progress forward, I agree about the issues
but I'm not sure that a conference will solve it. Recruits want TV time
more than titles in the MWC - look at the early MWC days, if I didn't have
family tickets I'd listen to BYU games on the radio 1 mile away from the
stadium growing up. I still see benefits to being indy.best to you!
SameJersey - Kaysville, UTOct. 8, 2018 10:03 a.m.BYU needs a
conference in order to rebuild their identity. The bigger question that nobody
is talking about is CAN BYU find a conference? Can BYU go back to the MWC? Or,
have they burnt those bridges? Have they waited too long? It seems
to me an uphill battle and the MWC may have already moved on.-- -- -- --
-- -- -- -- Nope, yes and yes.We can't find a
conference.We can't go back to the MWC.The MWC moved on years
ago.No conference will take us. We are done and not appealing to any
P5, G5 or whatever.
I agree with Doc Rob. Josh, I hear what you are saying, and please
don't take this the wrong way. Doc Rob is right. You have to be
able to recruit the talent. You cannot do that without a conference now. Nobody
wants to play for an independent, let alone one that can't win. The ship is literally sinking and it is going to be harder than you think to
right it. Gone are the days when BYU could recruit by being BYU. And, in
today's world of live-streaming and cord cutting, they are not overly
excited about ESPN either -- especially when those contracts are likely to
expire.They DO care about getting game time, playing good teams, and
winning games in good conferences. They DO care about conference titles and
individual accolades.You are living in an era when BYU was the ONLY
game in the area. Even for LDS kids, that era has long passed. BYU
football is, at best, 5th now in just the northern intermountain area for
recruiting. Even LDS kids will likely prefer (1) Utah, (2) Utah
State, (3) Colorado, and maybe even Boise State and Air Force. And, that is not
including SDSU, Fresno, or any other PAC 12 team in the West. Find a
conference or fade fast into irrelevancy.
@realute“We Utes really don't wanna, or be obligated to
play BYU in any sport ever again. You people need to move on.”Oh, the irony!! Did you really write “you people need to move on,”
with a straight face? LOL!!Most of us have moved on, why can’t
Thanks Mike all is going well and I hope the same for you. I agree the ship
seems to be sinking and no one is paying attention from the Captain on down. It
gets harder and harder to keep watching what they are throwing on the field and
court anymore. If it weren't for BYU volleyball I don't know where we
@ Doc Rob,I agree with your points sir. BYU just doesn't have
any players.........the way it is. I hope all is well in your life my friend.
USU did a phenomenal job at the fundamentals and the game plan. I expected them
to be a tough opponent based on how well they did against Michigan State. We
did not play to our capacity and made too many mental and fundamental mistakes.
I have confidence in our players and the coaches to get us back on track.
Let's stay Independent. We would win more in the Mountain West Conference
but we wouldn't be a better team and wouldn't reach our potential.
Looking forward to Hawaii game. Go Cougars!
Generally Josh I agree with you whole heartedly but did you not watch the game
Friday? Once again our QB showed very little talent at all, our defense has
more holes that a sieve and our O line only plays on odd numbered games lol. I
do believe after last years horrific offense and what I am seeing on the field
now, yeah the sky is falling and no one is paying attention to it. We played
against two teams early in the year that weren't ready for a BYU running
attach at it burnt them. I can't tell you how many times when I was at the
Washington game and on friday night how many plays Washington and USU played
with only one safety back and 8 or 9 guys in the box. They know Tanner will
never burn them deep and for that matter anything over the LB's heads would
be amazing. I feel that Tanner has never lived up to the potential he was
suppose to have coming out of HS. I feel we need someone like Taysom who can
spread out the D with his ability to run. Hodge or Wilson both have that
ability. Mangum couldn't scramble his way out of a wet paper sac. He has
had his 7 years to prove himself and all we have to show for it is the bottom
1/3 in the nation on offense again this is BYU
I remember watching a BYU vs USU game years ago in which BYU dropped 13 scoring
passes, and USU ran and passed all over BYU, much like this game. The next day,
Jaime Hill was fired, and Bronco took over the defensive co-ordinator duties.
THE DEFENSE immediately got unmistakably better, mostly by blitzing, flying
insanely to the ball, and tackling with COURAGE. The most aggravating thing I
saw in Friday’s game on the part of BYU’s defense was the chicken
approach to tackling
trying to avoid impact and instead attempting to grab
and drag the runner down. Very little hit hard and wrap up. Looked cowardly,
worked worse. Every player persisting in this should be benched. I believe Ed
Lamb would do a much better job as DC, much as Bronco did in the previously
cited instance. The steady deterioration of what should be a stout defensive
unit is painful to watch, including the near absolute absence of blitz packages,
QB hurries, sacks etc. Here, more than anywhere else, a coaching upgrade is
needed NOW, since it’s too late to get it before now
I still prefer independence.The PAC would be better, but it will
never happen.Some aspects of the MWC would be great, but overall I
think BYU is far better off as an indy team.If BYU joined the MWC in
the mountain division we'd play Boise and USU like we do each year.
We'd also play New Mexico, CO State, AF and Wyoming - that's not a
super enticing group on a consistent basis. We'd be back to playing 2 or 3
P5 teams and waiting for a chance at a bowl game.As things are now,
if BYU beats either Boise or Utah then it goes down as a great year. We won 4
games last year, we've got one more win to tie last years ugly record.losses to Washington are explainable and USU is rolling, Cal isn't
bad either but that's the loss that got away from BYU.End of
the day, despite the loss it's not so bad. USU is having a Cinderella year
so far - great for them but I don't know why some fans think that the sky
is falling.USU normally isn't this good, nor is Hawaii, but
some years your competition just plays up - good for fans of the sport, bad for
those who's ego is tied to winning every game.
@Bleeding,We Utes really don't wanna, or be obligated to play
BYU in any sport ever again. You people need to move on.
I truly think that Utah needs to play BYU twice a decade at Utah is all, ZERO
negotiation, take it or leave it. Schedule Utah State 2 for 1 each decade, then
scatter in SUU, Weber State at Utah whenever..... then schedule A and B games
around the country.......we really gotta go back to our roots as U
fans.......play Utah State in football and Y hoops every so often.
The most imperative thing that must happen is returning to the MWC. Holmoe needs
to do that or be let go. Stubbornness is many times the wrong solution.
Independence was a utterly and complete failure admit it and move on. BYU had no
gas in its tank after Cal and Washington games.
@Bleeding,I so hope that you don't prognosticate "BYU
greatness" ever again. BYU doesn't compete in football or basketball in
the 21st century. How could they possibly EVER? The Y cannot attract talent to
attend that school.
Terribly disappointing game. USU's QB looked awesome: fast release, with
zip on the ball and accurate, too. I love Mangum's courage and class, but
it doesn't appear that he has the "it" factor now, although in his
defense, it's hard to tell because we drop too many balls. Ugh!
The bottom line is that BYU is a top-notch volleyball school is all. They do
some extra-nifty ballroom dancing as well. BYU is specifically designed to
achieve dedicated LDS members is ALL! They won't change that goal ever.Now, does that "goal" by BYU's owners equate into producing
decent football and basketball programs? No!!!.....we have witnessed the carnage
and nothing will change ever again. BYU is in the greatest conference, the WCC,
that they could possibly realistically hope for.Those are the
Of course they are having an identity crisis. They used to be a major player in
the MWC a decade ago, but decided to leave for "independence." What
exactly is independence these days other than cutting off your nose to spite
your face? The Utah State Aggies also used to be a national
powerhouse in the 60s and 70s. Then, they too decided not to join the then
fledgling Western Athletic Conference (WAC) with BYU and Utah hoping that
"independence" would be a better route until the Big 10 or Big 12 picked
them up. Sound familiar? That didn't work well and, in the end, the Aggies
paid for it in spades over the next 20 plus years of abject humiliation.Everyone is watching in horror as BYU is basically committing the same
mistake (i.e., suicide). And, no, ESPN is not going to save BYU this go around.
In the era of live video streaming and cord cutting, ESPN can barely save
itself.BYU needs a conference in order to rebuild their identity.
The bigger question that nobody is talking about is CAN BYU find a conference?
Can BYU go back to the MWC? Or, have they burnt those bridges? Have they waited
too long? It seems to me an uphill battle and the MWC may have
already moved on.
Identity crisis? Utah identifies BYU as a cupcake for nearly a
decade now. Utah State is just beginning to identify BYU as a
cupcake.It's no fun beating up on Sitake, can you guys match
Bronco's salary and bring him back? Make BYU Great Again!
Bring back Bronco!
What identity crisis? In the now infamous words: "They were who we thought
Getting advice from a Utah fan. Nice.The bloom is off the rose. For
the 2nd year in a row, BYU has no offense. Huge line, no running. Why? No big
play running back left? Squally can't run on two sprained ankles. Sit him
down. Let Hodge run. There has to be a kid who can run. BYU has never been a run
team, but 50 yards a game? OK in the glory days of the West Coast Offense and
Hall of Fame Quarterbacks. Not OK today.Start Wilson. Find a running
back. Hodge? Get the defense up. They know they have to pitch a shutout every
game because the offense can't produce. And for BYU's sake, start
Wilson. If he fails, start someone else. Nothing to lose: find the guys who can
do the job.Definition of insanity: Continue to do the things that
are failing.Otherwise: adios, Kilani. Nice guys finish last: put the
hammer down or you'll be out.
Same old stuff... It has been decades since BYU's Revenue Programs have
been in such bad shape and the sad part is that it seems like the BOTs and the
Administration simply don't care. They talk like they do but their inaction
BYU's Revenue Athletic Programs are in trouble. The kind of performance
that we are demonstrating through our "Exposure goal" is weak at best
and most likely negative.Our problems begin at the top with our AD
and our AD Department. Holmoe simply needs to go and I have been saying this for
the past 3 years. The man carries no clout in his AD peer groups and more
importantly, with the BOTs itself. If he had any clout we would be in a P5
Conference today and we would have high end coaches in both FB and BB... we have
neither... and it's obvious through our performance on the field and on the
court. It starts with weak recruiting and culminates with weaker coaching.We need solid journey-level coaching and all we get are first-timers.
Sitake is not a head coach... he was decent as a DC but has little to no
experience as an OC and our last 2 OCs have been rookies. And Dave
Rose ? He's either lazy (i.e. recruiting) or tired and holding out for
retirement.We need to switch them all out or be prepared to live
with this type of performance and success year in and year out.
In the article, Sitake is quoted as saying "We talked about it in the
locker room. We’re not playing BYU football,” The problem is, Sitake
doesn't know what BYU football is. Compare us with Washington State (Leach)
and Texas Tech (Kinsbury). They both are doing quite well and they both are
staying true to their football identy-Passing Teams. We need to get back to our
tradition and put the ball downfield, either with the quarterback we have, or
one who can fling it downfield.
Utah State was the better team in all aspects of the game. Game plan, tackling,
coverage, filling the gap, risk taking. BYU needs to shake things up but
returning to Mountain West Conference. It was an awful experiment, cut the
I really don’t think there is a vast difference in players between USU and
BYU. No more than 1or 2 players from each team will make it in the NFL. There IS
a big difference in talent between Wisconsin (who overlooked BYU) and BYU.This far into the season, BYU has become extremely predictable on both
offense and defense, and smart coaches like USU’s will continue to exploit
that. BYU coaches need to expand their repertoire, and learn to adjust to what
their opponent gives you. I think BYU can be successful with their
current talent level (although I think they can do better at QB; I’m still
scratching my head as to why Hoge was removed from the QB competition) but their
coaches have to show more imagination and be more effective in their game
management.Coaches want to right this ship? Start by looking in the
The BYU Players are not experiencing an Identity crisis. They the
"players" are doing exactly what they have been taught. First Three
scores by Utah State are a result of "Bad" Coaching (Offense &
Defense) on BYU's part. First USU TD was a result of BYU's "not
having" a medium to long pass game. The Guy was waiting right at
Tanner's feet. Utah State all throughout the game crowded the box to stop
the run game and short pass game... as a result TD... Then, Short play passes
for loss. Runs stopped. Then Personal fouls due to frustration and fumbles...
not stopping easily stoppable pass plays at the goal line and over the top... to
tight ends... (Thats BYU's play from a week or so ago) and you have 21
zip... From there you can say the game was over.... Last year... I was amazed
that they ONLY let go the offensive coordinator. Frankly, I felt the problem
with the program was from the top down. I felt Detmer was made a scape goat.
But here is the kicker... I believe BYU has good players... as proven by the
many players picked up after the draft and kept when Utah who had "so
called" good players drafted then let go before the season. Tanner is not
They simply do not look very athletic!
Sorry Kalani,We have heard all of this..."we did not execute" way
too many times. This problem is coaching and no leadership. You have protected
Magnum at the expense of the entire team. It may cost you and others their job.
True football knowledgeable and rational people... can see this so plainly.
Magnum is NOT a leader... who has the trust of his teammates. He can't run,
or pass farther that 15 yards accurately. He dumps to his outlet and gets happy
feet when the pressure is on. There is no excuse for a senior to make the
freshman mistakes he is making repeatedly. Cougar nation would cut you some
slack if you were making changes to correct the ship. But...you don't seem
to have the courage to do the obvious. Enough already... play the freshman
and let him develop.
Ir is still a fundamental lack of talent. Independence is the cause. Holmoe is
Maybe it wasn't Ty Detmer's fault.
"We need to work on our tackling" You have been tackling since high
school or sooner!How long does it take before you learn?! It is not
BYU beats AZ. Cal takes down BYU. AZ strangles Cal. What's going on
Cougar lines, both o and d, were beaten on Friday. Offensive line kept getting
outfoxed by blitzing 'backers and penetrating secondary. Grimes &
assistants need to fix this. Defensive line had no sacks (of course) and no one
I recognize as d-lineman had more than 3 tackles. Aggie running backs had play
after play where Cougar 'backers and safeties bounced off after first hits.
This isn't the team that took down AZ and Wisconsin.Must've had at least half a dozen dropped passes. How many times does
Blaine Fowler have to say "and that's a ball that has to be
caught." ?Silver linings -It was good to see Wilson come
in and move the team in for a score in 2 - 3 minutes. Of course that was in
garbage time (as the late great Laker announcer Chick Hearn used to say). Not
sure if Wilson's the answer for all these woes. But the offense just seems
to sputter and flounder with the current starters.It was also good
to see young Shumway snag 5 passes. I take back most of the bad things I was
thinking about wideouts like him.
@Maximus Meridius - Salt Lake City, UTWhen was the last time you saw
TH, Sitake, Tuiaki et. al. out on the field? Throwing, catching, tackling,
kicking, etc?And why exclude Grimes? His offense is currently
ranked #125 in total offense and now #118 in scoring offense. @Common sense conservative - Herriman, UTBeating Wisc. may have
been the worst thing that happened. The media jumped on that like white on
rice. Harmon proclaimed it to be "the biggest win in program history".
He still sites BYU as being "previously ranked #20", etc. But it was so early, you don't know much about either team. Take it as a
good win and move forward. There are things to fix and they can get
some of it righted. But they need to progress offensively. Teams have figured
them out. There formation disguises and their, basically, 6 plays are on full
display. And teams are ready for them. And Wilson isn't going
to be the answer. Better to stick with Mangum this season.
BYU's best qb is the 4th string running back. (Hoge)He has a strong
arm, accurate short and deep. He is a great runner, a threat that
BYU's up tempo offense could DEFFINATELY use. Think of a new wrinkle to
the Jet Sweep. He makes good reads and decisions. Seems like a natural for
Grimes up tempo offense. Grimes why can't you see this? Why has BYU struggled to get Bushman (Play Maker) involved. He is quick
especially on the slants. Great hands. Find a way - Especially in the up tempo
offense?Do these players not show up in practice? What is holding
you back Grimes?
What is BYU’s football identity? We as fans used to know what it was.
There was a time when we knew that if we had the ball, we had a chance to score
and win. Now, we just hope that the QB doesn’t throw the ball to the other
team. This year has proven to be a repeat of last year. Not a fan of
Sitake’s accomplishments thus far.
Mediocrity is just what it is..........
"Uhhh..we'll have to watch the film and evaluate where we're
at.." this is the same broken record we heard after every listless
performance in 2017. Ok so watch the film. Figure something out.. that's
great. But then you need to actually DO something about it. Instead we go out
the next week and have the same lifeless results, and coach repeats the mantra
yet again "we'll have to watch the film and figure this out"....At this point it appears Wisconsin just completely overlooked us. And that is
probably the worst thing that could have happened for our program.
Wilson needs a chance. He passes better and moved the ball.
Coach said “We’re not playing our style of football and utilizing
our strengths. We have an extra day to really evaluate all of it from top to
bottom and get this thing right so we can start on Monday and get a game plan
and get ready for the Hawaii game.” We should also look at a longer view
of top to bottom strategy as well. As a very long time Y fan I wonder how much
the GPA requirements affect recruiting. The U of U has 2.4 GPA minimum. The Y
is north of 3.0. I wonder what the USU GPA is? Besides GPA criteria the Y has
the most strict honor code which should not be altered to lower standards. I
read a story about when Lou Holtz took the head coaching job at a struggling
Notre Dame he told the president of ND he must have the GPA requirements lowered
for student athletes to recruit better athletes. ND did lower the academic
requirements and they were a successful football team. I wonder what the GPA
requirements were when Lavell coached. It is very disturbing to think high GPA
requirements only pertain to those who can live the honor code. There are good
worthy student athletes available with a lower GPA. Consider lowering the GPA
for athletes only not the whole school.
Feel bad for the Coug players. They deserve better than this half baked effort
from Holmoe, Sitake, and Tuiaki. Really sad. The problems aren't with
the players guys.
"BYU experiencing midseason identity crisis after blowout loss to Utah
State"Again with the midseason crisis. It seems that every year
they seem pretty good at times, but every year they get worse as the season
progresses. I wonder if the great teams in college football have a better way
to handle both games and practices between games. BYU doesn't get better
once the season starts, and that's a problem.
@MrDave2"It was a big mistake letting Coach Mendenhall
go."Letting him go? You guys chased him out of town! "It’s time to bring in a real coach. I’ll take coach Anderson
from the U."You'll "take him"? And why would he
ever consider managing that train wreck?
Too much euphoria after the win over Wisconsin and maybe too much despair after
this loss. USU was dramatically better than expected. Mangum is not
playing as poorly overall as many think (although I acknowledge that he made two
costly errors). The demands that Wilson replace him are premature.I
agree that getting back into the MWC would be a blessing, even if we sacrifice
some revenue. Hawaii's FBS-leading QB is hurt and Hawaii barely
got by Wyoming so I predict a win next week (and a resultant calming down of all
the calls for wholesale change in coaches, starting QB, etc). Northern Illinois
beat Ball State but it was not an impressive performance -- we should beat them
here in a few weeks. Boise State looked horrible against San Diego State. I
thought our game at Boise was virtually an assured loss but now I am not so
sure. UMass just keeps losing -- another team we should beat. New Mexico State
has no defense -- a guaranteed win. Utah looked surprisingly good against
Stanford today so we will have to see how they do in subsequent games.An 8-4 finish still seems within reasonable reach. Let's not ignore the
Arizona and Wisconsin wins as we lament the USU loss.
@mrdave2It was a big mistake letting Coach Mendenhall go. ----------- News flash! BYU didn't let Bronco go, Bronco left on
his own accord. He always said right from the beginning that he figured
he'd coach about 10 years at BYU. Well, he ended up coaching 11 years. It
was the right time for him to move on and he found a nice gig in Virginia. Wish
him the best but it was time for a change.
The best 3 minutes of the game was when Zach Wilson got a chance to play. He
showed confidence and Poise and a spark of leadership that has been missing from
the quarterback position for the past two years.Ben Criddle of ESPN
960 said that coaches are dictating to Tanner where he's supposed to throw
on every play they call. If coaches don't trust Tanner to figure that out
on his own why are they having him start and play the majority of snaps?I couldn't help but notice that Zach didn't under throw his
receivers on every pass like Tanner does. I think we're ready for a change
and that change should happen now
BYU was out coached, pure and simple.
Actually, this is EXACTLY who BYU is.Beating Wisconsin was a fluke.
They looked past BYU. They destroyed BYU in Provo the yr. prior, and BYU lost
to Cal the week prior to the Wisc. game. And Wisconsin will show that they
aren't great this yr. anyway. They struggled with New Mexico the week
prior to playing BYU.BYU had, before this weekend, the #125 ranked
total offense, #115 ranked scoring offense. That IS "who BYU is". 14 of the points in the last two games were gifted to BYU with
respectively :41 seconds left v. UW (otherwise it was a shut-out) and 1:15 left
v. USU. BYU has scored 30 points (their high score this season) in
ONLY one game and that was against FCS opponent McNeese State in Provo. BYU lost to Cal, who just lost to Arizona. Cal will be the #5 team in
the PAC12 North. BYU had 4, 1st downs v. Cal in the second half of that game.
All 4 came on BYU's last drive of the game. BYU is NOT good
offensively.The BYU that showed up v. USU? That "is who BYU
is". Even if it's not who you want to be.
Okay, so, here is kind of the sad, confusing part about the outcome of this
game. I watched all 4 quarters of the game from start to finish,
like usual. No matter how one sided the game is either way, I watch all 4
quarters about 98 percent of the time. Tanner Mangum was actually
one of the bright spots on the team last night. The defense didn't show up,
and the run game was non-existent against the 100th ranked run defense in
college football. UNACCEPTABLE.I know Squally was hurt,
but why didn't Katoa get help? Where were the other RBs? Why didn't
they get some of the touches? Why didn't Riley Burt play some? Or even
Spencer Hadley? He's looked good the few carries he's had. Burt has
looked less than great, not sure why.Tanner Mangum made some bad
mistakes and he's not stellar by any stretch, but he has some good
strengths, believe it or not. He actually has some escapability, he has arm
strength, his completion percentage is around 60 percent (good, not great), and
about 80 percent of the time he makes good decisions and takes care of the
football. Zach Wilson wouldn't have won us the game last night. Sorry,
Sorry but I didn't watch or pay attention to the game. The only surprise
was how big the difference was and that BYU got that many points. What's
the problem? What's not the problem!
What the Heck just happened? I will agree that USU has a great team this year.
They have been dominate. BYU is looking like just another poser. What happened
to the team that beat Wisconsin. I thought that the Coogs just plain gave up
last night. Mistake after mistake. Poor offensive play, even worse on
defense, and the kicking game is a joke.Twice the Cougars have signed High
School All American place kickers. One from Bingham High School and another
from Wasatch High school. So far neither kicker had been able to live up to the
Hype. This year is turning into a bigger joke that last year. May be time to
start the coaching search. Maybe it would be a great idea to find an OC with
some experience. Grimes is a line coach! What the heck is he doing running our
offense? The Defense has been a joke the last 2 seeks. How long does the AD
wait to make major changes?
For this diehard BYU fan, it was painful to watch. There some good moments,
including seeing Wilson have some success. Congratulations to Utah State for
playing an excellent game. The good news for the Cougars, this came on a
weekend where there is plenty of other news dominating our attention. Time to move forward.
How did this team beat the Badgers?Based on what we're seeing
on the field, one can only imagine the disarray in the locker room, the coaches
offices, and on the practice field. I'm a diehard who usually
watches until the bitter end even when a loss looks likely, but I turned off the
TV after the first half.
" I wonder if BYU can look at the academic requirements and find ways to
help land great athletes. "That is not the problem recruiting
good athletes. Notre Dame, Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and many more have
limitations on who they can recruit. The problem is not the academic issues -
watching the Stanford Utah game right now, Stanford has either 6 or 8 kids from
Utah playing for them... kids who choose to go out of state to play. They did
not pick the Y, and it wasn't because BYU has higher academic standards
than Stanford.I think the problem is exactly as the quote says....
"this is not who we are". Problem is it is exactly who the Y is right
now. If I recall, BYUs last recuiting class was rated 70-somrthing in the
nation. Players want to play for championships - if not national,
at least conference. Players who care about winning aren't picking BYU.
Eventually BYU will finalize what is most important. Independence or
competitiveness. But they can't have both. I'm ok with either.
I'll be a cougar fan regardless.
When is BYU going to realize that independency is a VERY short road to complete
irrelevancy in college football?Look, this isn't a hate piece.
It is a question of general concern. Independence has failed BYU. The Aggies
were so much more athletic last night. No great recruits are going to want to
play for a very mediocre independent team.Honestly, it isn't
Sitake's fault -- nor is it Tanner Mangum's or Ty Detmer's.
Ultimately, the Cougars have to start looking to the top of their athletic
department and at their AD's office. I can understand why the Cougars
wanted to try independency for maybe a couple of years. But the fact remains
that no P5 conference is biting. Moreover, no P5 WILL bite now with the way the
Cougars have played the last two seasons. Independency has worn out
its welcome. It is time to go back to the Mountain West or find really ANY G5
conference to land in. At this point, BYU will not be able to beat the following
in recruiting:1) Utah2) Colorado3) Utah State4)
Boise StateHonestly, BYU would be LUCKY to beat Air Force in
recruiting. Holmoe has to go and BYU needs to get into a conference
Don't know what's wrong but I sense it's broken and a pep talk
won't cure it. Sometimes a situation is a manifestation of a
problem somewhere else in the system. I don't think there
should be any more talk of league this or that until the ship is sailing
correctly. Right now it appears that things are adrift and somewhat rudderless.
I believe we have seen enough. It’s time we start over. It’s time
for Holmoe and Sitake to leave. It was a big mistake letting Coach Mendenhall
go. It’s time to bring in a real coach. I’ll take coach
Anderson from the U. The time has come the time is now. Mr. Holmoe
will you please go now?!! Take Sitake with you.
Kalani to do list:1. Rest the team. They are worn out from the Washington
and USU games.2. Get more involved during the game as head coach like
during the Arizona game. I am not Lavell Edwards, and I need to show more
passion during the game.3. Don't let Jeff call any more passes on
4th and 1.4. Call a timeout on every 4th and 1 to motivate the offensive
line and fullback to open a hole for any healthy running back.5. Tanner
is looking shell shocked like last year. Time for Zach Wilson to play. He is a
better passer. He has a better touch on his passes which is better for the
receivers. He instills confidence in the rest of the team. He has no fear and
is not afraid to improvise to make plays.6. Southam needs more practice
and the backup kicker needs a chance.7. The defense needs more blitz
packages.8. Be ready for UH because they will be ready for us.
I just finished watching the replay on BYUTV....or as much of it as I could
stand.Some of the Ute fans describe the Cougs as the 3rd best team
in Utah, which may or may not be true (we'll find out in Nov.) But the
Aggies get my vote as the best in Utah. They went through the Cougs' D
like a can opener through a tin can's lid.I read in the box
score how Wilson got to play, and finally, to throw some passes in the 4th qtr.
That's a good thing. For 3 quarters last night the Cougars had just about
completely reverted to their punchless offense of 2017. Maybe I'll go
back and watch the rest of the 4th qtr to see how he did.
Last night we found out who the best team in the state is. Go aggies. It looks
like another great in-state recruiting year for USU. BYU program is a perfect
example of what happens when you aren't in a league. What are you playing
for? Another trip to the vegas bowl!
Problems the Cougs can't seem to correct:1) No pass rush. In fact, it
is awful. Good QBs will continue to blister Cougs. At least some blitzing
needed.2) With Squally hobbled, weak running game...won't cut it3) Zone pass defense won't work when QBs gave 3-4 seconds to passHawaii, Boise State, Northern Illinois will kill Cougs with their
excellent passing games.Cougs will win only 3 more games. Coach is
on hot seat for sure.
Identity crisis? Wouldn't we have to have an identity first in order to
have an identity crisis?
Mangum can't give what he does not have! However hard he works, he just
does not have the skill to make up for his mistakes. He alternates occasional
fire with horrendous mistakes that just takes the heart out of the team. They
don't have the self discipline to recover from his mistakes.
Dear Coach Sitake,BYU Football is headed in the right direction. I
wonder if BYU can look at the academic requirements and find ways to help land
great athletes. Please be sure to thank Tanner for his efforts and replace him
immediately with Wilson, who is the future of the program. Tanner has had his
time, and it's time to usher in a new era at BYU. Sincerely,BYU Fan