I have Known Dick and Brenda Miles for 14 years. I worked for them as well as
my son was around them. These allegations are completely false and have no
basis. These are two of the most wonderful people you could ever hope to know.
Why should this be brought up again to ruin their lives again 30 years later.
They were cleared and innocent then and NOW. Dick and Brenda are
outstanding people and would NEVER do anything like this. Jaunice
I don't know any of the parties involved in this case except for Barbara
Snow. When I was a child, I was forced to go see her and her
associate Teena Sorensen by my mother. Barbara vigorously tried to get me to
believe in fictitious memories that I had been sexually abused by my father.
She would yell, threaten and berate me if I didn't admit that I had been
abused. She came up with the most outlandish ideas and then tried to convince
me that they were my own memories. She destroyed my family with her false
allegations. She does use recorders, but conveniently loses them when it makes
her look bad.DOPL's own investigators found that Barbara Snow
tried to convince her own family member they were sexually abused and a victim
of government mind control. DOPL called these charges against Barbara Snow
"Statements of Fact". Barbara later stormed her relatives house with a
baseball bat and destroyed a computer. DOPL went soft and only put her on
probation.Due to Barbara Snow being at the center of this entire
case, I can say with 99.9999% certainty, that nothing occurred and these people
My brother, now deceased, was accused of heinous crimes against one of his
daughters. The accusations were based on "recovered memories"
established during hypnotherapy. During the nineteen-eighties, this was the
rage. People went to prison based on "real" memories planted in the
minds of vulnerable patients during hypnosis during "psychotherapy,"
which turned out to be "psych therapy." During the nineties, these
practices and the recovered memories were completely debunked by accredited
memory experts. Look up Elizabeth Loftus. Her research led to many falsely
accused and mistakenly convicted "victims" of false accusations to be
released from long prison sentences. The adults thus falsely accused by
troubled patients and their diabolical therapists went through literal hell. It
shortened my brother's life, and destroyed family relationships. I say,
don't believe "recovered memory." It makes victims of everyone.
Don't forget that we choose to be offended.
I know nothing of the facts of this case but I think it's despicable that
our court system allows ANYONE to file a lawsuit with no basis of truth that
forces innocent people to spend thousands of dollars defending themselves. Reputations, relationships and families are destroyed because of
baseless accusations.These people and lawyers should be held
I don't know any of these people except from what I have read and my
personal opinion is that 30 plus years is a long time to try to prove something.
Where is the evidence? I just see Mr. Vernon and his clients trying to line
their pockets. I believe it is the 9th Commandment that says something about
how wrong it is to "bear false witness" against one's neighbor.
This investigation was conducted and closed years ago because there was no
credible evidence. Why sling mud and impose hurt once again? This gives a bad
name to lawyers and victims of "real" abuse.
It's obvious that this is false and is being used to discredit the church.
I wonder if Sam Young had anything to do with it?
I guess my earlier comment about unethical lawyers was rejected because it
suggested that there should be repercussions for filing frivolous law suits to
basically extort money from others. I will stand by that comment, though.
Lawyers should be concerned about how the unethical behavior of some taints the
entire legal system.
My heart goes out to this couple and their family. If nothing came of the
investigation 30 years ago and they passed the lie detector tests, what more do
@I'm Smart (12:48 pm):"There needs to be a law with very
stiff penalties for false accusation of sexual assault. If there is no actual
evidence beyond an angry woman's word, then she should be the one going to
jail "I absolutely agree that anyone that is convicted of making
false accusations should face very severe consequences, including jail time.
However, the absence of evidence is not proof that the accusation is false.In order to be penalized for a false accusation, the fact that the
accusation is indeed false needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a
court of law. Sometimes, things can't be proven one way or the other and
neither side should face legal penalties in those cases.
I feel absolutely sick to my stomach after reading this article. I know the
Miles and my heart goes out to them for being forced to defend themselves for
something they never did.The people who are accusing them should be
ashamed of themselves! Their decision to make these accusations at General
Conference time is disgusting.I applaud Brenda and Richard for using their
real names and for defending themselves against such evil intentions of people
who seem to have too much time on their hands. I am against abuse of any kind,
but to bring it up 30 years later...REALLY?
Fredex makes a valid point. Men everywhere should be absolutely terrified of
any functioning in society, period in today's world. If you've done
nothing or done anything it is irrelevant. You can be accused in public and
held to account for any event in your life (or not event) as a disqualifying
factor for you to even exist.
This attack on the Miles' character to advance an thinly veiled, vitriolic
agenda against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is appalling.
The underlying claims are pure fiction. I have known the entire Miles family
for over 30 years and would trust my life, the lives of my children and grand
children to their care.
You can tell when General Conference is approaching because the critics become
loudest and try to cause the most trouble.I figure this means some
wonderful and powerful things will happen or be announced during the conference
as the work is hastened. Meanwhile, good fine wonderful people get smeared in
the name of striking a blow against the Church of Jesus Christ.
Mr Vernon has taken a noble cause and perverted it in to a for profit search and
destroy with collateral damage being of no consequence to him. Like the ADA
for profit attorneys that now file law suites daily, we are not going to see the
end of this guy for years to come. We need to find a way to legally stop this
kind of shameful lawyering.
I feel truly sorry for anyone who has had sexual abuse perpetrated against them.
Given that, I feel that maybe this is a story meant to point fingers at the near
top of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on conference weekend.
Why is it 30 years since we've heard this? Why exactly now? I hope truth
The difference between the Mileses and Kavanaugh is that the former were
thoroughly investigated, and the latter has not.
The Mileses are some of the most honorable people I know. There is no doubt in
my mind that they are 100% innocent, and therefore no cover-up of any kind on
any level would have been necessary.
Dick Miles was my Bishop and I spent a lot of time in a calling with him. He was
always honest with me and I spent many nights as his "second" during
interviews. Nothing untoward ever happened. I found the Miles to be good,
generous people. He was also very kind and caring as I thoughtfully,
walked away from the faith.I am sure the truth of everything will
come out. I will wait and see what happens...
From reading the comments, it looks like most think this didn't happen.
What is clear to me is that something happened a long time ago. I
would just point out that it was the Miles family who chose to go public with
This is ridiculous. The timing of these accusations is absurd. 30 years
later?!?! The accusations being made against the miles’ are 100% FALSE.
I grew up with their children. I was in their home often while growing up. I
went on trips with their family. They are kind people. They love and serve
others. I was always treated with respect. Their children were always treated
with respect. I stand behind them 100%. This case really should be dismissed
before even going to trial. It’s so sad that this is now the trendy thing
to do, to drag someone’s good name through the mud. Good will prevail.
Truth will be made known. The miles have a HUGE support team standing behind
them. They are the ones who wanted their own names published. They have NOTHING
to hide. They have addressed this head on. And we will stand behind them. As
for the accusers. They are too small and tiny to even let their names be known.
That screams weakness.
Re: H S TuckerCount on you to politicize the issue!
When will we start hearing from authorities on the ways abuse victims react
psychologically to being sexually abused?I know from personal
experience (I was married to an incest victim who began to falsely accuse me of
sexual abuse, infidelity, and physical abuse after we lost a daughter) the need
for far more research into the effects of sexual abuse. The field has only
scratched the surface in understanding how dissociation and transference play
significant roles in the lives of adult victims of childhood abuse.Suffice it to say that I'm confident that it is fairly common for those
abused as children by someone they loved and trusted to cope by disassociating
the innocent, loving self from the self participating (involuntarily but without
resistance) in sex with a trusted other. Later, as adults, the negative aspects
- particularly the anger and reviling - of such complex emotions are transferred
to someone as equally innocent as the victim in bizarre accusations such as this
one.In an age when even unsubstantiated accusations alone are enough
to stain reputations and destroy lives, journalists need to do their homework
and start reporting these things.
Another witch hunt. How unfair that the Mileses good names are in
print for the world to speculate about, but the accusers aren’t. Print their names! Every single one. They shouldn’t get to hide.
Woo we are in trouble as a society, can anyone sleep at night having to worry
someone will name them from 30 plus years ago.
The Presumption of Innocence is a human right.
The Constitution and the laws states and accused has the right to face his
accusers this is definitely not being done early and properly here and this set
of allegations is only really showing up now because of me too and the Kavanaugh
Publicity everybody’s jumping on the bandwagon to destroy somebody
@dejahShe was only asked two questions on her polygraph. That is hardly a
I grew up with the Miles' children and spent many days and nights in their
home. I never once felt uncomfortable there, it was always the exact opposite.
They're some of the most kind, respectful and generous people I've
ever known. It's sad their name is being dragged through the mud for
something they were never involved with - and it's double sad it's
happening again 30 years later.
@David,I liked your comment; though I would only slightly disagree
with your statement: "these types of investigations or accusations should
not be reported in the papers until a conviction occurs."I would
say it should be fair game to publish the accusations once it goes to trial, so
long as the names and pictures of the accusers are included as well.This per the US Constitution that requires trials to be "public" and
yet grants the accused the right to "face his accusers" -- which means
that:1) the public should be able to see what is going on even
before a conviction but only once a trial is in progress. (Meaning ALL Due
Process was followed before that, demonstrating things such as: that there was
probable cause to conduct searched for evidence; evidence of a crime was found
enough to proceed with a trial; an impartial jury was picked; and the defendant
has legal council and has procured witnesses for his defense.)2) The
accuser is made just as public as the trial (name and picture); and just as
liable for perjury when accusations are shown as false.(An accuser,
even when truly a victim, should not have any more rights than the accused,
under our rule of law.)
If Barbara Snow was involved in the original accusations, it is all bunk. She
got a lot of innocent people convicted because of her shoddy methods and the
fact she never taped, either video or audio tape, any of her conversations with
these kids. Had she done so, she'd have been debunked years ago.I investigated a case she was involved in back in my cop days and even after
she presented her results to us, I rejected them because of the methodology that
she used.Any competent judge should dismiss with prejudice these
allegations.I don't know the Miles family but knowing a couple
other of President Nelson's children, I'm sure nothing ever
happened.Hopefully this lawyer will be disbarred at some point.
It’s sad that after such a long time they are getting a lawsuit filed
against them. I’m surprised it took the accusers this long to file,
especially when the charges were never filed. I’m just shocked they did it
after this long.
These Allegations are 100% bogus. I grew up with the Miles also, anyone who
knows that family doesn't buy into any of this garbage. All their children
were positive, outgoing and very popular and teenagers that turned into great
human beings. No basis behind any of these claims.
If these allegations are found to be false, the lawyer needs to be investigated
by the Idaho state bar for bringing malicious lawsuits against innocent people.
This attorney and Robert Sykes always seem to show up with cases to harm
innocent people, if it gets them a big settlement. The truth is of no interest.
It's all about the money. And it gives attorneys a bad name. But they
don't care about that if there's money to be made.
I grew up with the Miles and their kids. Dick donated his blood for me when I
had open heart surgery. This sort of thing never happened with them. They
babysat me plenty of times and never had anything like this happen
It seems that every American male above 12 years of age is at risk of being
accused of some misdeed. When the FBI investigates the behavior of a 17-year-old
boy from the mid 1980s, there's something seriously amiss with our social
structure and justice system.I have determined for myself that if I
am ever asked to be a bishop or other similar assignment, I will decline on the
grounds that I do not wish to be a target for someone who thinks they might have
a faint recollection of something that might or might not have happened in 1977.
Sorry, I mixed up comments from NoNamesAccepted and Chessermesser @NoNamesAccepted I don't need your lecture on polygraphs. I think they
should be done away with and that they prove nothing. I wasn't the one that
said they exonerated someone or didn't that was Chessermess, I just wanted
to point out the hypocrisy of believing one and not another. And off people
went to prove their hypocrisy, no surprises here.
This accusing people of sexual abuse is becoming all the rage these days. What a
formidable weapon against someone with whom you have a vendetta. 35 years ago?
No problem. No evidence the first go around? No problem. The accusation is
enough. And what damage false accusations will have for those whom have really
been abused and need justice. I'd like to see some very, very stiff
penalties against anyone, male or female, who falsely accuses someone else. Of
course, this will have to be proven, just like accusations must be proven
I am appalled that anyone would dare make such accusations against the Miles.
As a child and teenager, I spent as much time with their family as I did my own-
camping, skiing, family dinners, sleepovers, boating...never ONCE was I ever put
in a position of harm or abuse. Dick and Brenda have always been examples to me
of how I want to live my life- full of integrity, respect, and service to
others. I support them 100%.
"Interesting" is the only word I could think of.
To any accuser, you better have some proof.
"Decades old allegations of abuse", seems to be the popular thing with
angry women now days. There needs to be a law with very stiff penalties for
false accusation of sexual assault. If there is no actual evidence beyond an
angry woman's word, then she should be the one going to jail because that
accusation will destroy a man's life even if he is innocent. We need to
stop all the accusations.
Reporting allegations need to end! it ruins peoples lives and reputations. If
the evidence supports a charge then print but going off an allegation to totally
wrong and is against the Constitution. "Innocent until Proven Guilty."
The Deseret News and any other news organization should be ashamed. If you have
evidence in your Investigative Report stories then share with the police.
They put the names of Miles in the paper. How about putting in the names of the
false accusers in the paper.
An anonymous person(s) can make public claims against a person - using the full
force of the media to try a case in the press, bit nobody gets to talk about
their credibility.And a commentor that posts something supportive of
the accused gets mocked by another commentor.
"For both to pass a lie detector test is pretty strong evidence that they
didn’t do what is claimed."So ... Dr. Ford passed a
polygraph, I assume you believe this is strong evidence Kavanaugh is guilty?Also just because you were neighbors of someone and you and your
children were treated respectfully means respectfully, nothing. My stepmother
was nice as pie when we had company but as soon as she was alone with us the
tables turned dramatically. I'm not saying anyone is guilty or innocent,
just that your anecdotes are not evidence of anything.
Is it because of who they are and their religion that you are defending them?
It doesn't matter what race, religion, income, Male or female, people are
people and we're not perfect. You shouldn't judge them based on their
beliefs. They said in their statement that "to abuse would go against our
beliefs." It's not about beliefs, its about being human. I'm
never surprised by comments on here. It seems comments and opinions are based on
the wrong thing.
Interesting timing on such a lawsuit. If the left succeeds in
supplanting reliance on evidence with believing abuse accusations at face value,
then no one is safe and civilization will have been toppled.
These sexual abuse accusations are so destructive when thrown at innocent
people. I believe these types of investigations or accusations should not be
reported in the papers until a conviction occurs. It is easy for someone to
throw around false accusations at innocent people, but the effect is
With the MeToo and now the Kavanaugh thing; it seems to be in vogue or sexual
abuse allegations to be made against anyone and everyone; even when allegations
are clearly false.The MeToo movement is actually destroying real
victims credibility; a major hurt to the cause of justice for sex abuse
victims.If these allegations were made 30 years ago; and found not
credible then; to bring them up yet again especially right now is nothing more
than political; and more specifically political against The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.But, hey, its in vogue isn't it?
For both to pass a lie detector test is pretty strong evidence that they
didn’t do what is claimed. 30 years ago is a long time to make such a
claim. And the police involved didn’t press charges. This case should
get tossed before a trial.
30 years ago, we lived in the same neighborhood as the Miles. Our children knew
the Miles children and spent time at their home. These claims against them are
completely and utterly outside the realm of belief. My children were never
abused, were always treated with respect, and enjoyed their time at the
Miles' home. In my opinion, the Miles deserve the benefit of the doubt
until such issues are factually proven true, and I honestly don't believe
they can be. I would sure like to know who these people are that are
accusing them of abuse. We haven't seen Dick and Brenda for
years, but consider them to be outstanding people.