Two sides in talks over medical marijuana proposition, but conflicts remain

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  • Grandfather Ogden, UT
    Oct. 25, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    The problem with the Prop-2 dust up is that Utah's legislature and fellow Goodfellas are working feverishly before their time runs out to find a way to control a Marijuana production and sales chain that is designed to benefit their select, insiders, nominees, and cutouts. The insiders will be favored sons and daughters ... Goodfellas ... controlling the "Pot" processes throughout. We like to call the newly visioned entity "UPOT" after several other corrupted quasi governmental entities like UTA, USTAR, DABC ... you get the drift?

    Utah's Goodfellas will control the following processes through insiders, nominees, and cutouts:

    Medical Cannabis Cultivation Facilities = CCPOT
    Medical Cannabis Processing Facilities = CPPOT
    Independent Cannabis Testing Laboratories = CTPOT
    Medical Cannabis Pharmacies = MCPOT
    State Central Fill Medical Cannabis Pharmacy = CFPOT
    Qualified Medical Providers = MPPOT
    Medical Cannabis Inventory Control System = ICPOT
    Transportation of Medical Cannabis = TPOT

    Have a little fun at the Goodfellas' expense folks. It's for certain that with their UPOT they'll be having some fun at our expense. s/Wayne Wickizer "The Ole' Buzzard"

  • Taterhead West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2018 1:11 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal, that's a homeless issue...not a cannabis issue.

    The same thing was happening in Pioneer Park in SLC, until Greg Hughes threw a grenade into the problem.

    Now it's all up and down the Jordan river trail, from SLC to Bluffdale.

    But again, it's a homeless issue, not a weed issue.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 2, 2018 4:50 p.m.

    Re: "The sky is not falling in any of the 30 plus states that have enacted some form of legalized marijuana use."

    Actually, it is.

    I was recently in downtown Portland, OR. It was once a nice place. It's not now -- due almost entirely to the surrender of the place to the drug underground.

    I was accosted by aggressive panhandlers demanding money for weed. I had to step over people sleeping or passed out on the sidewalk. The smell of burning weed was everywhere. I had to be careful not to step on needles left lying everywhere. The worst, however, was the human and pet urine and excrement that only gets cleaned up once a week, but which leaves a stench, even after being hosed into storm sewers. Open sewers -- which is a valid description of the situation in downtown Portland -- is one of the best way known to man to spread a number of serious diseases.

    We can expect a similar experience in SLC, to the extent weed becomes more available, more prevalent, and less controllable than it now is, and these are all inevitable effects of Prop. 2.

    If Utahns foolishly fail to learn from other states' history, we're doomed to repeat it.

  • Taterhead West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2018 4:32 p.m.

    law enforcement is NOT prevented from doing their job under Prop 2.
    If cops believe a dispensary is doing something illegal, they can do what they do now: get a warrant, and then those records ARE kept over 60 days. Thats already on the law books. The 60 day limit prevents what happened in Cottonwood Hts, where an over-zealous detective went through patient records on an unrelated matter and felt he found "doctor shopping" by 3 people. Charges were later dropped.
    All zoning laws must be followed, as well as building codes and fire codes. All Prop 2 prevents is refusing a business license only on the fact that the business is a dispensary.
    The distances required for setback of a dispensary are identical to existing distances for state liquor stores. You want something different? Please explain why.

    Sales tax is not collected on other prescription pain meds, so not taxing cannabis simply puts cannabis on the same footing as the non-taxed status of Soma, Norco, and other opioids.
    31 other states (and DC) have been able to work with medical programs. Utah should be able to do the same. Crime does NOT increase, youth use does NOT increase,

  • Taterhead West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    QuietMan a simple Google search proves you are wrong.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    Will someone please explain why the mormon church is meeting with the state legislature on this matter?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Oct. 1, 2018 2:58 p.m.

    Follow the money behind Prop 2.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 11:59 a.m.

    Marijuana also makes it tolerable to live in a state theocracy that wants to force their views on the entire population.

  • Hunt Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    It is interesting to me that so many who are against medical marijuana or for that matter recreational marijuana keep harping on and on about things that at the end of the day really are easily proven to be non issues.

    Marijuana is non-addictive. You cannot overdose on it. Smoking it is considerably less harmful then smoking a cigarette. It's use is far safer than the consumption of alcohol.

    And yet, logic is thrown out the window and uneducated arguments prevail.

    Other than an extremely flawed and misleading Colorado study that was at one point sighted by an LDS Church spokesperson, there is no evidence anywhere (not in California, not in Oregon, not in Washington, not in Nevada, not in Colorado) that medical or recreational use has caused any wide spread issues whatsoever.

    The sky is not falling in any of the 30 plus states that have enacted some form of legalized marijuana use.

  • Smartestinc Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    The pot people will continue to push until we will be just like Oregon, it is all Deja to me for when we tried to save our paradise also.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    As a physician, I encourage people to put fear aside. Cannabis is a great plant. Why would you be scared of it?

  • Jbejarano Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 7:21 a.m.

    My main concern is lack of teeth to regulate pot shops. If a pot shop is out of line records have to be destroyed after 60 days.
    If an illegal dispensary opens up, Utah police are forbidden to enforce Federal laws. This bill favors lax enforcement and reduces penalties for possession to $100.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 4:47 a.m.

    Don, if passed it will still allow those with "Medical Cards" to purchase up to 2 ounces of pot every two weeks with no controls on how they consume the stuff. They can in fact choose to smoke it. Recreationally

    I like that they are in talks to adjust it. I'd rather it not pass and the Legislature do it correctly with proper controls and limits, but at least this is a positive step towards fixing the biggest flaws in this poorly written initiative.

    And why does DesNews keep harping on the 100 miles rule. Very few people I know opposed to this initiative have any real heartache with that, we are more concerned about the ease of getting a medical card as any condition that might warrant an opioid (chronic pain in my pinky toe) is grounds. Or the fact that once the card is issued there is no further medical oversight of this Medical use. Medicine should include medical supervision, not the advice of some random minimum wage clerk at the dispensary. those are far bigger issues than the ability to grow a small amount of your own pot in certain cases. That and prohibitng the state from taxing pot. That has to get dropped.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2018 3:47 a.m.

    Why the misinformation by people claiming to be doctors, but who are obviously shills for prop2 opponents?

  • Don Bixby Centerville, UT
    Sept. 30, 2018 9:37 p.m.

    "Prop 2 is indeed a thinly-veiled ploy to get recreational, smoked marijuana legalized in Utah."

    Other than, you know, the part of the initiative that says it will not be legal to smoke. And then there's the part where you have to get a doctor's permission for treating a medical condition. Besides that, it's totally about recreational smoking.

  • QuietMan Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 30, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    I’m confused why this is even on the ballot in Utah. As a physician, I can tell you that CBD oil, the form of medical cannibis that has been studied by far the most, is already legal here. THC has no known medical benefit that can be supported by real data (not anecdotes, testimonials, or obscure pseudo-studies). Thus, Prop 2 is indeed a thinly-veiled ploy to get recreational, smoked marijuana legalized in Utah. If Prop 2 passes as currently written, this will be something we will greatly regret.