Trump hits 'con job' on Kavanaugh before showdown hearing

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  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 26, 2018 7:06 p.m.

    Public opinion is easy to "con".

    If a person put on a white lab coat and walked through a hospital, he would be viewed as an expert.

    Like wise a person wearing a tie on television and voicing an opinion could fool many folks into following their views.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    Sept. 26, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    Since the GOP was willing for Scalia's seat to sit empty for almost a year, they should be willing for the FBI to do a thorough investigation of the alleged behavior by Kavanaugh.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Sept. 26, 2018 8:40 a.m.

    I watched the interview with Trump this morning before his UN meetings and was pleasantly surprised at how he measured his words. If only Trump would act like that more often rather than the circus ring master, he would get a lot more done.

    The democrats are absolutely coming off this looking foolish. Whether the accusations are true or not, it is increasingly smiling and looking like a last minute hail marry play hoping something good results - but without a real plan.

    I doubt truth will ever fully be known here. I don't doubt that Ford had something happen to her against her will. But by whom.... unfortunately she is not being the most credible witness. Maybe we will know better tomorrow.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 26, 2018 6:46 a.m.

    @JWB;

    "It is very interesting to note that 4 of the eleven GOP Judiciary members are graduates of Brigham Young University and should be able to determine what the truth is. In the scriptures, there are about 440 references to the truth, and the truth shall set them free."

    -- Warm fuzzies don't determine the "truth".

    "They have the Gift that can help them know the truth of all things. They can't know the truth until they hear the person's testimony and take in all the senses they have to know plus the Gift."

    -- Hilarious!! LOL!!!

    @SC Matt;

    I, for one, thought Clinton's behavior was disgusting. I think the same of Trump's and Kavanaugh's behavior. Those to whom it is of no consequence seem to be the GOP; as long as they accomplish their agenda.

  • Golden Rules Okay, OK
    Sept. 26, 2018 12:51 a.m.

    Kavanaugh and Ford can't both be telling the truth. One of them is lying. It's important to find out if Kavanaugh is an honest man. An FBI investigation could do that by questioning witnesses under oath.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:13 p.m.

    Only one of these people has taken a lie detector test. She passed it.

    Only people of one gender in these allegations want an FBI investigation wherein liars would get in trouble with the FBI... those are the women.

    Kavanaugh insists that he was too busy studying but he bragged in the yearbook about attending plenty of keggers and gets a shoutout in Judge's book as Bart O'Kavanaugh.

    He was part of an apparent joke where football players like him claimed they were Renate Alumni.

    Kavanaugh's college roommate said that he was aggressive and belligerent when drunk.

    There's enough to justify an FBI investigation as is the norm for these sorts of things (Hatch's comments about it during the Thomas nomination fight made that quite clear, it's also why of all the controversy over the Thomas nomination, there really was no fight at all over whether there should be an FBI investigation into the allegations). Republicans want no part of that. Then again these are the Republicans that tried to accelerate this process even while Senate members were becoming aware that there was more than one accuser.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:43 p.m.

    What's the rush. I keep reading republicans have taken enough time and that the democrats are playing politics and yet the republicans sat on the Merrick Garland nomination for almost a year wasn't that a long time without a justice so the republicans could play politics?

    This rush is all about politics, this rush is to make sure that the republicans get the court packed with people who interpret the constitution the way they want it interpreted. RIght now the republicans have the power and they are using it with no thought or care to doing things the right way. There will come a day when the power belongs to the democrats and you know what they say about paybacks. Here is to hoping the democrats when they regain power won't take this game further into the gutter. There is no reason to believe that the country will every come first again, but here is to hoping it can happen.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Sept. 25, 2018 6:25 p.m.

    The R's are trying to intimidate Ford out of testifying by scheduling the vote for Friday. Why even hold hearings! We already know the outcome, and what they all think:

    -she's lying,
    -she is doing this for political reasons,
    -it doesn't matter if he's guilty anyway.

    They also know Kavanaugh cannot withstand scrutiny, so they really are just going to plow through, without any investigation. And most likely, Murkowski, Collins and Flake will fall in line.

    Everything they've done with these allegations from A to Z has been shabby. People keep talking about what the democrats are doing, but R's are far worse. I guess the only possible silver lining is that even more women will leave the GOP.

    Make no mistake, Trump leads this mess. They are all just following his lead in calling every woman who reports sexual abuse a liar. Sarah Sanders actually said the official white house position on the allegations made by women against Trump is that they are all lying.

    Anyone believe that?

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 6:13 p.m.

    @worf
    "people don't know what Trump has done through out his life"

    Except for the audio recordings, and the video recordings, and the legal records, and the public admissions from Trump himself, and his Twitter posts, and his bankruptcy records. Other than all those publicly available, indisputable things, sure...we don't know what he's done.

    "with little effort, the main stream media could make Donald Trump look like an angel and the best president ever. "

    Nope. One reading through his Twitter history is enough to erase any attempt to make him 'look like an angel'

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 25, 2018 5:03 p.m.

    Some observations:

    * people don't know what Kavanaugh did almost forty years ago. they form opinions based on no facts.
    * people don't know what Trump has done through out his life. Media only give bias reports.
    * people know very little and are ignorant of world events and history. Easily persuaded and tricked into forming predetermined opinions.
    * with little effort, the main stream media could make Donald Trump look like an angel and the best president ever. the public is easily manipulated.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 25, 2018 4:48 p.m.

    Mainly Me,
    " . . . . Pres. Trump is right. This is nothing more than a sham and the Dems are terrified that their agenda will be permanently derailed."
    ____________________
    The Democrats are not the ones who are bringing in an unidentified hired gun to do their questioning for them on Thursday. I guess none of the Republican Senators had the nerve to do their job and stand up to the plate.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 4:33 p.m.

    I predict Ford won't show up and the committee will proceed with a vote.

    The vote will be along party lines (just as it would have two weeks ago.)

    The Senate will then vote to confirm Kavanaugh, also along party lines.

  • old cuss 101 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 4:12 p.m.

    Going forward, given a deteriorating religious environment, and a much compromised adult generation, where is the "influence to get from childhood to adulthood without ruining your life" for the young to come from?

    Here in Utah there is a never-ending clamor by a few to relax the liquor laws, even laws related to controlled substances, in favor of "if it feels good, do it..." Take alcohol and other drugs and mix them with sex and you have a guaranteed recipe for poor behavior, with regrettable memories to last a lifetime, memories that sometimes turn into real time "Scarlet letters" blown up for all the world to see.

    Missing in the teenage Kavenaugh years discussion is the "willing presence and involvement of both young men and young women" in the social environment. Nor is the discussion of parental oversight of teenagers brought into question. What we can see is that there was at least a season in the Washington prep school community and beyond that left some, maybe many, with soiled report cards.

    There is not an unlimited pool of adults with unsullied backgrounds to draw high level leaders from. And politics can make even some of the good ones look bad. What can we do?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    "the FBI can reopen their background investigation and interview those thought to be involved and that may have information to determine if further background investigation is warranted. "

    Which of course, the witnesses are the same people that have already made public statements disavowing the report, but an "investigation" serves the desire to delay and destroy Kavanaugh.

    "all we have at this point is claims and the only "investigation" by the media that the GOP has shown a complete disdain for but seem to be willing to accept their report about witnesses without question."

    The GOP has bent over backwards to accommodate Ford and after repeated delays and posturing, she still may not show up Thursday.
    Ramirez, whom Dems searched out and exposed and whose lawyer assisted memories were not adequate for even left-biased media, simply has said no to any further comment (stating: "if you want our statement, read the New Yorker")

    So your efforts to smear the GOP as being insensitive ironically merely highlights the intransigence of the hypocritical Democrats who have delayed delayed and blamed blamed

    If the witnesses wont testify - vote and move on

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:18 p.m.

    @counter intelligence

    the FBI can reopen their background investigation and interview those thought to be involved and that may have information to determine if further background investigation is warranted. all we have at this point is claims and the only "investigation" by the media that the GOP has shown a complete disdain for but seem to be willing to accept their report about witnesses without question. if you and the GOP believe so strong that you are right and that the American People are on your side then surely a week or two (still before the next election) and before any new senators would be seated should not be so objectionable.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:16 p.m.

    Pres. Trump is right. This is nothing more than a sham and the Dems are terrified that their agenda will be permanently derailed. We can only hope!

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:15 p.m.

    @Tolstoy:

    "not doing and [sic] investigation."

    This is my 4th comment, so it will also be the last.

    There's nothing to investigate. No time. No place. No witnesses, except one guy they've already talked to, who has already said "I wasn't a witness, because nothing happened."

    There needs to be more to go on.

    But I'll say this too:

    There are some Senators, especially Senator Hirono from HI, who basically say "Women don't lie, men do, so just shut up."

    Well, if that's the new rule, I'm sure Republicans will be able to find a woman willing to lie about the next USSC nominated by a Democratic President.

    It won't be all that hard.

    Maybe one will even mail her Senator a letter to reveal at the last minute.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 2:51 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    "I do believe both he and his accusers deserve more then the GOP's current rush to push his nomination through. "

    Umm
    Feinstein sat on the allegations for at least six weeks
    Ford has been coming up with spurious excuses to not appear publicly for several more weeks
    Kavanaugh has been requesting a hearing during all that time.
    So why is the GOP the guilty party?
    The FBI has also already performed 6 background checks on Kavanaugh.
    The FBI has no jurisdiction over a 36 year old allegation and all of the supposed witnesses have publicly denied the claims - what else are you expecting?

    Oh Yea - you are perhaps expecting to buy Hirono and Gillibrand another couple of weeks to find a rope to perform another "high-tech lynching" on a man they believe is guilty merely because he is a man with
    whom they disagree.

    The predominant "rush " here is the need by the left to destroy an inconvenient life and they are in a "rush" to find something - anything - and they want it soon (or after the election, whichever they can get first and will destroy his life)

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    @SC Matt
    they have spent more then a week resisting her call for an investigation not doing and investigation. I would like to see the boorish behaviors of the past left behind as well and for the Judge and his accusers treated fairly during this process and any vote for confirmation that results, unfortunately given the current horrible political climate in DC (from both parties) I don't see that happening.

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Sept. 25, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    @Tolstoy:

    "flat refusal to even take a week to allow for a preliminary investigation"

    The GOP has taken the time, more than a week already, with at least another one to come to resolve this. Ford has been dragging her feet, as did Senator Feinstein. If either had really wanted an investigation, there was adequate time to have one.

    But regardless, I would agree that taking the time to investigate, even subpoenaing the singular person who might have first hand knowledge (but who has also said "It never happened") would not be unreasonable.

    And if I had any confidence that if the Democrats take the Senate this year that they'd treat any Trump nominee fairly, I wouldn't worry.

    But unfortunately, they have already said that they have no intention of treating any nominee fairly. They want payback for Garland, and they're willing to deny confirmation for another two years.

    Part of me really hopes this happens, if only to demonstrate fully the hypocrisy of just about every single politician in Washington.

    But that's the vindictive part. The fair part of me wants everybody treated fairly, not just a rich lawyer from CA.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:38 p.m.

    @SC Matt
    I agree that the evidence seems slim but we have no way of knowing because of the flat refusal to even take a week to allow for a preliminary investigation starting with the FBI interviewing the people that we know were alleged to possibly have information. We really have no idea what information my exist at this this point. If you look back at any of my past comments I have never once called for a vote to block the Judges nomination but I do believe both he and his accusers deserve more then the GOP's current rush to push his nomination through. At least attempt to get to the bottom of the accusations and if they turn out to be true then his nomination should be reconsidered, if they are not true then lets find out and after he is nominated find out who all was responsible for them. I frankly think the excuse of but other have behaved badly to in the past is a poor excuse or the GOP's current poor behavior. It is certainly an excuse I ever accepted from my kid.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:15 p.m.

    " Utah LDS have been unable to see Trump for what he is - the rise of American fascism."

    Probably a good time to recall the actual historical facts about Fascism and Naziism.
    >They were both socialist movements in which the goal was for the State to control industry. ("NAZI" stands for "National Socialism", and Fascism was the Italian variant of the same ideology)
    >They were both instituted by Dear Leaders who would enthrall the crowds of their devotees with soaring rhetoric.
    >The party platform included "free education", "free healthcare for all", and redistribution of income from a certain "1%" of the population.
    >The nation's ills were blamed on a certain "1%", which justified persecuting them, even in public, daily activities.
    > The were in control of the media, which would always use selective presentation and heavily propagandistic language to promote the socialist view and demonize those who opposed their "progressive" agenda.
    >They advocated price and rent controls, and forgiveness from the "predatory" loans held by that certain "1%".

    Anything sound familiar?

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    "Cosby was investigated over a long time"
    Reality Check: Cosby was accused of an actual crime, as an adult.
    A teenage boy attempting to feel up a teenage girl, and then stopping when she objects, is simply not a crime. In fact, it is what you are supposed to do when she objects. Drunkenness admittedly muddled the reactions of all involved, even by her own testimony.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:59 p.m.

    @Thomas Paine
    "This reeks worse than the lies from the Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas fiasco."
    What lies were those? Ms. Hill's testimony has only got more credible over time, while the reputations of Senators like Hatch and Grassley have become more tarnished.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:54 p.m.

    Don't believe me; believe your own instincts. These are well-known red-flag warnings attorneys use to signify a false accusation: -The accuser uses the press instead of the legal system. -The accuser times releasing the accusation for an obvious (political) reason. -The accuser attacks the process instead of actually participating in the legal process. -When the accused’s opportunity to mount a defense is delegitimized by invoking identity politics. -The accuser tries to force the accused to defend himself or herself before committing to their own final version of their accusation story. -The accused immediately makes a strong and unequivocal denial (indicating they have no fear of contradicting themselves). -The accuser makes unusual demands to modify or control the process or how or when they will testify.
    -When the accuser’s ability to identify the accused has not been properly explained and is quite obviously impaired by circumstances, such as intoxication. -When witnesses don’t corroborate the story, except by hearsay. -When corroborating witnesses simply repeat the accusation but don’t have any fresh personal information. Sound familiar?

  • Gil Bates Mayfield, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:50 p.m.

    “When regard for truth has been broken down or even slightly weakened, all things will remain doubtful.”
    — Saint Augustine

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:40 p.m.

    Con game?

    The current republican occupant in the WH has become synonomus with con games.

    It is no wonder he sees himself in this republican con game.

    The SCOTUS worked for over 400 days without 9 justices.

    Why is it now such a problem?

    The reality show host needs the nominees vote going forward?

    Exactly.

    Con game anyone?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:22 p.m.

    @liberty or...
    "all politics aside this is a dangerous undermining of our justice system. The precedent being set will literally send the justice system back to the dark ages where burden of proof is put upon the accused."

    This isn't a criminal case. This is more like an employer refusing to hire someone because they have concerns about their social media posting except at the highest levels of office and with more serious allegations.

  • Thomas Paine South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    Those who love and respect women should be appalled at how the Democrats are exploiting such claims. This reeks worse than the lies from the Anita Hill, Clarence Thomas fiasco. The Democrats continue their witch hunt lies to the current day.

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    @MBB:

    "Nevertheless, with multiple women coming out making claims against Kavanaugh there should be an investigation."

    But there aren't multiple women making claims against Kavanaugh.

    There's one, without witnesses, no date, no place, no time, and no evidence.

    And the story in the New Yorker? Somebody saying "Well, I went to Yale at the same time he did, and somebody did something horrible, so I assume it must have been Kavanaugh, and my lawyer's assured me that my statements are vague enough that I can't get sued" doesn't really count as an accusation.

    You'd understand the difference if this was an appointee by Corey Booker to replace Ginsburg.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:04 p.m.

    lets get one thing straight, sexual allegations are not uncommon for many in public office, i.e. Clinton and Trump and that is the voters' decision. I still think a supreme court justice should be held to highest standard. that is why this allegations are something we must consider.

  • MBB Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    Personally, both parties are to blame for the circus we have now. Both parties have dragged our country down with the divisiveness they encourage. Nevertheless, with multiple women coming out making claims against Kavanaugh there should be an investigation. There's no good reason to just push his nomination through without a thorough vetting. Let's get this right no matter what side it falls on.

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    @Vanceone "They couldn't possibly care less that high ranking Democrat men rape and abuse women. "

    Speaking as a member of the Socialist Party - USA I very much care. Women need protection and deference no matter where they are!

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    Cosby had so many vague claims against him. He and his attorney castigated the accusers, they held up Cosby's public reputation and his wife was a stalwart defender. And he gets sentenced very soon.

    Best thing to do is investigate and see if the allegations hold up.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    Investigate, investigate, investigate!

    Investigate what? Where do we start? Where's the FBI supposed to begin to investigate this? Are there dates? Are there places? We already know that every single name that has been named as being there has categorically, under oath sworn that nothing ever happened.

    So tell us, liberals: what is there to investigate? Where does the FBI begin? Both accusers categorically refuse to give any details other than "he's a Republican male and must be guilty!" Which, of course, is the exact same standard the left uses anymore. Truth doesn't matter.

    As for "We leftists want all sexual abuse rooted out!" Really? Then why the complete silence about Keith Ellison, number 2 at the Democrat National Committee, and his accusers, who have hospital evidence, dates, all sorts of specifics. Radio silence indeed from our leftists. They couldn't possibly care less that high ranking Democrat men rape and abuse women. It's a resume enhancer, in fact.

    Any leftist screaming about Kavanaugh based on clear lies and political hit jobs, and who is silent on Ellison is totally partisan beyond belief, and a complete hypocrite.

  • Lew Elton Jeppson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    @JWB "They have the Gift that can help them know the truth of all things. They can't know the truth until they hear the person's testimony and take in all the senses they have to know plus the Gift."

    So you mean they will know that Trump is right? Hogwash! Utah LDS have been unable to see Trump for what he is - the rise of American fascism.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:05 a.m.

    @ liberty 8:31 AM
    You wrote:
    " This is no different than the old days of feudalism where I am to believe the Noble over the Serf based on their social status."

    Do you realize that in this comparison, Judge Kavanaugh would better represent the Noble over the Serf, right?

    You also wrote:
    " If you are a woman you need to realize that this literally institutionalizes a symbolic Jim crow legal standard based on gender with Cavanaugh being the new Tim Robinson. This could happen to your son, father, brother, uncle etc. "

    Yes! That could happen to males . However, this is happening all the time to a daughter, mother, sister, aunt, etc.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:02 a.m.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles
    This will be an embarrassing defeat for Trump haters, one that men and women will remember for ages. Because most suburban women went to high school with "mean girls" who would do anything to maintain their popularity/power - and they know adult women (such as Feinstein and Harris) who have not changed that M.O.

    They also have sons that they love and do not want to see destroyed by feminist "guilty until proven more guilty" haters on a power trip, such as Hirono and Gillibrand.

    Men and women who love and respect women AND men will remember this warlock hunt for a long time.

  • SC Matt Saline, MI
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    @Tolstoy:

    "I care if someone may have committed sexual assault and unlawful confinement regardless of their political affiliation. "

    That may be true for you personally, I don't know you.

    But it certainly isn't true for Democrats as a whole. They rushed to Clinton's defense, even though (as we later learned) his actual behavior was exactly as bad as what was alleged.

    Truth didn't matter. Politics did.

    As for this matter, there's nothing to investigate. There's no evidence. Ford doesn't even want to testify. She wants to delay.

    But why not try something a little mind-expanding. Try looking at it from the "other side."

    If this was a replacement for Ginsburg, and the nominee had been made by Corey Booker, would I want an investigation on a similar charge? Yeah, but I'd also admit that the evidence is *really* slim, basically non-existent. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote to block the nominee.

    And then I'd be really upset that Lindsay Graham held onto the complaint for 3 months so that he could "play politics" with it at the last minute, instead of starting the investigation that he claims really needs to be conducted.

    What about you?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    My advice to the Democrats is to ask Brett Kavanaugh if he knows about the Steinhem standard. If he does, did he take advantage of it with his female clerks.

    This is something that came out in the mid 1990's. It basically says, "It is OK for a supervisor to proposition an employee if the boss does not retaliate if told "no".

    This standard is named after its proponent, feminist icon Gloria Steinhem. Yes, she did say it. She is the gold standard for PC thought. If she said it is OK and if you subscribe to PC it is OK. (Well, at least until PC changes, as it frequently does).

    It is a license to proposition. If he is the womanizer people say he is, he would have taken the Steinhem standard to heart and we would be hearing about it. Ask him about it.

    In any event, I support Brett Kavanaugh. He is victim of prejudice. Of course, he will interpret the law rather than making up something to be in line with current fashion, but he will have empathy to those who have suffered because of prejudice.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:39 a.m.

    It is very interesting to note that 4 of the eleven GOP Judiciary members are graduates of Brigham Young University and should be able to determine what the truth is. In the scriptures, there are about 440 references to the truth, and the truth shall set them free.

    They have the Gift that can help them know the truth of all things. They can't know the truth until they hear the person's testimony and take in all the senses they have to know plus the Gift.

    Our government can't exist without the input from the citizens that have been impacted by members, employees, and fellow citizens of our country.

    In Utah, for many citizens, the leaders should follow the requirements of our government. We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    @ Marigold, please tell me what Kavanaugh has done to help women? I am really curious.

    @ Yuge Opportunity Here, your comment actually has the effect of telling women to shut up. Haven't we had enough of that? Shouldn't men be held accountable for their abuse on women? Kavanaugh is really not that much different than Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein. Even if they don't engage in the behavior any more, where are the consequences? Even information about his friend Mark Judge indicates that Kavanaugh's behavior was not restricted to the one or two allegations. That should be troubling. Maybe he should withdraw. I would feel better about that, and not just because he was a huge unrestrained party boy in high school and college. I would like to see a justice who has faced justice at some point in life, where the real world is not just an academic exercise in his ivory tower. We can do better.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:25 a.m.

    It was interesting to see Brett Kavanaugh take the question directed toward his wife and answering it for her. That shows you how much he respects women, even his own wife. The question was why he didn't ask or request the FBI to do their professional job, investigate.

    The Judge, who is to require facts be vital, should have requested an investigation, if he is telling the truth. Instead, he said that he testified before the Senate Judicial Committee, with a penalty of perjury potential, that he denied any sexual abusive action.

    The Judge's wife attempted to start with her answer but he interrupted her with a visual cue from his eyes and face, so she stopped.

    It was interesting she didn't know Kavanaugh until just 17 years ago, so she couldn't speak for anything prior to then. These incidents were before then.

    His actions at the time are not the issue, directly, but his not telling the truth or requesting to have the FBI through an investigation validating his truth.

    Some nominees to the federal courts have been cleared by the FBI investigations. Kavanaugh doesn't want that to happen. The first things the FBI states is it is against the law to lie to the FBI.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    So trying to find the truth is somehow a "smear campaign."

    Got it.

    Truth doesn't matter if it gets in the way of a GOP political agenda.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    The democrat party is becoming an extremist fringe organization by the day.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    Kavanaugh is a SCOTUS nominee of President Donald J. Trump.

    Why are his defenders treating him differently?

    As Republicans and 'conservatives' already demonstrated with Trump, there is no need to deny or defend Kavanaugh against =any= allegation.

    The same standard that applies to Trump can be applied to Kavanaugh:
    just shrug, and unapologetically tell the rest of America (especially its women): "so, whattaya gonna do about it?"

    Republicans/conservatives leaders =are= doing this on a fundamental level with Kavanaugh already. Even in these comments, there is a major contingent who is advocating a rubber-stamp, no matter the nature, number, or credibility of allegations against him.

    As Trump famously claimed, he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any voters. The GOP has adopted an equivalent standard for Kavanaugh.

    But why complicate things, when America has no higher expectation of the GOP? Save some effort and keep it simpler -- during SCOTUS nomination process, in response to any accusations, just say "who cares?"

    It won't be a surprise...America is reminded every day of the person many Americans wanted as POTUS.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    unrepentant

    "Mr Kavanaugh went to privileged schools his entire life, and drank. A lot."

    So did Barak Obabma, as well as every Kennedy who breathed

    This has nothing to do with the situation.

    "Mr Kavanaugh has turned his confirmation hearings from an examination of his qualifications and past life experiences into a carnival."

    He has done no such thing.

    This has been done exclusively by Diane Finestein and the Democrat Party operatives also known as the main stream media.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:03 a.m.

    @long last
    "those who don't need facts to come to a conclusion"

    do you mean the GOP that has refused to do even call for even the most basic investigation into the claims before declaring its a "smear job" and that these women are simply "confused."

    @scrappy
    "who cares what he did when he was 17. Are we going to dig it all up on the Dems.. .might as well."

    I care if someone may have committed sexual assault and unlawful confinement regardless of their political affiliation.

    @Yuge Opportunity Here
    "no matter how old the claim or how little the evidence."

    two thoughts first ,sexual assault/attempted rape and unlawful detainment are serious crimes that should not have an expiration date when it comes to appointing people to the top levels of our judicial system.

    second, we have no idea what evidence may exist since the GOP has refused an calls for even the most basic investigation into the claims. everything we know has come from the investigations done by the news reporters.

  • The Trooper South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:55 a.m.

    You can't investigate these claims because there is nothing to investigate. None of them have a time or place for the events. None of them are certain who did it, but all say it could have been Kavanaugh. This is not about truth or about women. This is about the Democrats trying to inflict as much political damage as they can before he is confirmed. After this is over, regardless of the outcome, you won't hear another thing about these women or their accusations. This is low, even for Democrats.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:54 a.m.

    Leftist women do not speak for me. Judge Kavanaugh has a record of helping women, not harming them. I am so tired of the Left pretending to speak for all of us when in reality they have a character-assassination and a power-grab mentality. I support Judge Kavanaugh and President Trump's nomination of this qualified man. A vote, please.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    What is crystal clear to me is that Republicans are resolved to confirm Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court one way or another. For them, this is a matter of party loyalty and the truth regarding allegations of sexual assault is beside the point.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    Watching trump's address to the UN right now.

    He just spent the first several minutes bragging "I . . . I . . . . I . . . the greatest in history . . . . I . . .. I .. .. me . . . . greatest."

    He was greeting with laughter from the assembled world leaders.

    Disgusting and frightening.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    all politics aside this is a dangerous undermining of our justice system. The precedent being set will literally send the justice system back to the dark ages where burden of proof is put upon the accused. while they are tortured on proverbial rack or Iron maiden of public slander. This is a political replay of the Salem witch trials and I am supposed to believe one side over the other not based on any evidence but on the social standing of one person over another whether it is based on race ,gender etc. This is no different than the old days of feudalism where I am to believe the Noble over the Serf based on their social status. If you are a woman you need to realize that this literally institutionalizes a symbolic Jim crow legal standard based on gender with Cavanaugh being the new Tim Robinson. This could happen to your son, father,brother,uncle etc. with the legal mind already whitewashed against them. This is not Progress this is Regression. I am not saying whether he is guilty or not. But the the lack of evidence and the dismissal of innocent until proven guilty which the democratic senators are pushing for is not eliminating sexism it is just reassigning it.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    These things are true.

    Mr Kavanaugh went to privileged schools his entire life, and drank. A lot.

    Mr Kavanaugh dissembles when he says he was a virgin until after college. The sexually aggressive acts he is alleged to have committed do not involve intercourse.

    Mr Kavanaugh went on Fox, the favored channel for trump and his fan club, to defend himself. Unprecedented. Mr Kavanaugh has turned his confirmation hearings from an examination of his qualifications and past life experiences into a carnival.

    The women in question, and the others that may surface, have absolutely nothing to gain personally from this experience, and much to lose. Just look at Anita Hill, who was excoriated in public (nutty, slutty). One of the accusers has had to leave her home and hide her family from credible threats.

    The party of trump is rushing this nomination through. Trump fans know that the longer this goes on the more questions will be asked. There may be other skeletons in this closet. With the possibility (however slight) that the trump party will lose control of the Senate, they need this done. Fast!

    This is shameful. But so is everything else in Washington DC these days.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    It finally dawned on the GOP Senators that accusers can go on forever, given the notion that every woman must be believed, no matter how old the claim or how little the evidence.

    It is a sad day for the women who really do need to be believed, but weaponizing does that.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:07 a.m.

    if the GOP gives an inch the Dems will take a mile.... they should battle for this guy... he is qualified and frankly who cares what he did when he was 17. Are we going to dig it all up on the Dems.. .might as well

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    The GOP would be wise to deliberately air out the allegations and ensure that all the parties have been adequately heard and listened to. Failure to do so will leave a life-long cloud over Kavanaugh, it won't go away when the other party gains control in Congress, and there could be unnecessary reverberations on Election Day. However, the GOP has acted like it's on a suicide mission, so it is doubtful that level heads will prevail. Ah, the toxic age of Trump we live in....

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 7:53 a.m.

    This will be an embarrassing defeat for Trump and the GOP, one that women will remember for ages. Also for men who love and respect women.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    Seriously, we are at the point where a SC candidate goes on cable news to plead his case to the American public? If this is the new normal why not just put the guy on a ballot and let the people vote for him?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 7:51 a.m.

    " Trump called the accusations among "the single most unfair, unjust things to happen to a candidate for anything." Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., angrily accused Democrats of slinging "all the mud they could manufacture" and promised a full Senate vote soon, but specified no date."

    If the repubs are convinced mud is being manufactured why even have the hearing. And then we find out there may be three or more accusers. what then.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Sept. 25, 2018 7:23 a.m.

    It is possible the GOP senators have finally figured out that regardless of what they do, they will be accused of being "unfair" so they might as well go ahead and confirm Kavanaugh. The smear campaign of the Democrats seems to be working with those who don't need facts to come to a conclusion - including much of the MSM.