Trump leads aggressive, all-out GOP drive to save Kavanaugh

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  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2018 6:49 p.m.

    All those asking for an investigation.... Get the clip of Joe Biden on a 90's Supreme Court Nomination and using the FBI. Also, please write Sen Feinstein (sp?) since she played 100% politics with this information and brought if forward in the 11th hour when she had it months ago. She obviously did not care enough about doing an actual investigation since she just wanted to stall this process long enough to get through the Mid-Terms in a believe that the House and Senate would swing and Trump would never get an appointment confirmed. If she really cared about Dr. Ford, she would have brought the information immediately and there would have been plenty of time for an investigation. I believe she knows an investigation into this by the FBI would bring nothing, but her method may actually work (AKA Harry Reid and lying about Romney's taxes and then when caught stating "He did not win did he").

    This whole process makes me sick and I really question why any sane and good American would want to take on Public Service at a high level. If you said to yourself in 2016 that it was hard to believe we ended up with Clinton and Trump as our Presidential candidates...this is why.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 26, 2018 7:03 a.m.

    @Justiciaparatodos;

    Do you not see how ironic is your use of the word "debauchery" when in relation to the GOP and Trump and his nominations? Truly ironic.

    @Tweety;

    "One would have to be an absolute fool to not see what is going on here. Desperate Reps are out to do one thing, get a SCOTUS appointment at any cost".

    @Tumbleweed;

    Kavenaugh is applying for a promotion. America needs to know if he's the right man for the job. Investigate the allegations fully.

  • Janet Pete Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2018 2:08 a.m.

    Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    "Most of us are willing to wait until Thursday to find out if sufficient evidence is presented to corroborate the allegations."

    Republicans on the Senate Judicial Committee have allowed a limited hearing for this woman to be heard. They will have their own female prosecutor asking questions because they don't want to be seen asking questions themselves. However, questioning by committee members is limited to five minutes each, no witnesses will be allowed, and it should be wrapped up in a couple of hours so that they can vote the next day and confirm on Saturday.

    "Most of us are willing . . . " appears like you're going to the dentist. How can you have sufficient evidence presented when questioning is limited and no witnesses are allowed. This will be the basic "he said/she said" fiasco Republicans want so that can say they had a "hearing" in response to the public outcry.

    The FBI knows how to do these investigations. It's standard in the background checks they conduct. They examine everything they know about. Apparently, these accusations were not available before when previous background checks were made. Now they are.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:51 p.m.

    I'm not sure who I should blame for this fiasco more - democrats for keeping their "witness" in hiding for the last 2 months, or Republicans for going along with the democrats' stall tactics.

    Regardless of what is heard Thursday, I would urge the Senate to VOTE. This will make it real plain (based on the Republican holdouts)who are RINO'S, and who are actual Republican Senators!

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:44 p.m.

    Vermonter - Plymouth, MI
    ---
    But also of concern to me is underage drinking by Kavanaugh. But 90%+ of Americans couldnt care less about underage drinking. So whether I like it or not Kavanaugh gets a pass on that.
    ---

    So, because 90%+, according to you, 'couldn't care less' about underage drinking, Kavanaugh gets a 'pass'.

    What an appeal to high moral standards. As it is teen drinking is a concern for many. What is also a concern is what teens may do while drinking. Recall in the 70s there was a flirtation with lowering the drinking age for beer to 18... and just almost as soon, there was a campaign to raise it again, and put further restrictions and penalties for providing alcohol to those under 21, despite being 'adults' in all other legal senses of the word.

    Frat parties and other institutions of the college scene have come under considerable review as to their self control in matters of drinking, sex, especially coerced sex on the part of women.

    Sexual improprieties have been alleged, and proven, in many institutions that were considered safe from such activities.

    The only way these have come to light is by investigation, without regard to the claims to the contrary.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    I saw this in my social media today. I totally agree with it. Based on being a survivor of emotional abuse, and knowing what and how it cost me, I believe Christine Blasey Ford and Deborah Rameriez -- their responses mirror the way victims of sexual abuse respond.
    -----
    This message, talking about sexual abusers/victims in general and Kavanaugh and Ford specifically:

    They say “this may ruin his life” without acknowledging that it has already ruined hers.

    They say “he was just a kid” without acknowledging that she was, too.

    They say “it was just a few stupid minutes” without acknowledging how those few minutes changed all her years.

    They say “he doesn’t deserve this” as if she does.

    They say “boys will be boys” without acknowledging that this denied this girl her girlhood.

    They say “he deserves better” while implying that she does not.

    -- Maria Kabas, #IBelieveChristine
    -----

    The only way Kavanaugh and his buddies could truthfully say they don't remember any sexual abuse is if they wre so blind blackout drunk that they honestly don't remember their actions of abuse. The statute of limitations is saving them from a criminal charge. They're getting off easy.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:44 a.m.

    Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    "No, Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are NOT shills for anyone.

    "They actually believe in "getting below the surface" and in reporting actual facts."

    If you say so. Believe what you want. You may be one of those people who watch Fox all day, constantly subject to a stream of "Fox facts"? But none of these people are investigative journalists. As for "getting below the surface", you may be revealing more than you intend with the misinformation that makes up the opinions of most Fox hosts. Making stuff up appears to be a central feature of Fox. Remember, it isn't called the Trump Ministry of Propaganda just to make a joke of the network.

    We could argue all day about "actual facts" when Kellyanne Conway talks about "alternative facts". Perhaps that is what you mean when you speak of Fox and it's "facts". You get ten people sitting around a table in the morning talking about how they will spin the news that day and you get a litany of "conspiracy", "alternative facts", and misinformation to drive the story.

    You may not like CNN or MSNBC, but you might consider the NY Times, WaPost, WSJ and LA Times to supplement your reading.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:34 a.m.

    Trump's mantra: deny, deny. deny.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    @Thomas Jefferson

    Comment is so wrong on EVERY level.

    Of course, we conservatives would and will care IF Brett Kavanaugh did indeed "try to rape that young woman".

    Most of us are willing to wait until Thursday to find out if sufficient evidence is presented to corroborate the allegations.

    My personal feeling is that she will not appear before the committee.

    We shall see.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    xJacobiuntherus - Salt Lake City, UT
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    In America, the accused is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Alas, if we abandon that principle now, there will be little left in America worthy of fighting for!
    ---

    Sure, an accused has a right to the presumption of innocence, and guess what, an investigation is conducted to obtain facts that support that claim of innocence or guilt.

    Given the GOP is not going to move to defer this confirmation process till an investigation determines the veracity of the claims, one can assume it is because they don't care what the facts of the matter are, guilty or not, they just want their candidate confirmed.

    Given the feigned outrage from all levels of leadership of the GOP, and capped with Trump's support, there's enough smoke to be concerned that the house is on fire.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    Just curious. How do we all feel about Senator Richard Blumenthal? Don't we think he has a lot of nerve.

    Already he has said that Judge Kavanaugh is not credible. Has already decided without hearing his testimony re this incident.

    I presume that we all know that Blumenthal lied about his military service. He never set foot in Vietnam during the war even though he claimed he did. How sad.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    In my OPINION:

    This isnt about finding the truth. Its about getting a young uber conservative on the court for life.
    The gop doesnt seem to care if he tried to rape that woman.

  • Lamman Nampa, ID
    Sept. 25, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    I believe he is innocent until proven guilty. So I give the benefit of the doubt. I am so glad I stayed away from those parties when young. It is good to keep ourselves from the very appearance of evil.
    I am sure all his accusers and detractors practiced that good advice.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    @madhatter

    No, Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are NOT shills for anyone.

    They actually believe in "getting below the surface" and in reporting actual facts.

    Please compare their research and reporting with that at CNN and MSNBC, among others.

    Thank you.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 8:18 a.m.

    It is really not necessary to "save" Kavanaugh; merely continue to support him. The accusations are just preposterously unbelievable, and he will sail easily through confirmation after the Democrats hold their carnival show. This is all Kabuki Theater.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 25, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    @JoeHill

    Please describe for us a "full investigation". If the accuser can't even remember where or when the alleged assault took place, where would the FBI or any other agency start?

    Would the Democrats accept the results if they found that the alleged assault did not involve Brett Kavanaugh at all.

    Has it ever been established that the accuser had been drinking on the evening she says the assault took place?

  • Joe Leaphorn Scottsdale, AZ
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:19 a.m.

    Does Mitch McConnell suspect something no one else in the White House can feel? All this clamor about rushing to get Brett Kavanaugh confirmed to the Supreme Court is having repercussions far beyond the current back-and-forth about sexual assault. McConnell is doing his best to push it through. Donald Trump may not be saying anything publicly, but he's put the cattle prod to McConnell. He needs his loyal Supreme Court nominee because he may not get the same if he has to nominate someone else.

    However, McConnell sees the blue wave rising in the distance and moving his way. If sufficient anger builds over this nomination, that wave can turn into a tsunami to wipe out Republican control of both the House and the Senate. And if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed because he has other issues beyond these allegations, evangelical voters may just stay home and the wave will be even more powerful

    McConnell's no fool. He took a risk with Merrick Garland and won. But he certainly wanted an easier nominee than he got with Kavanaugh. Now he has to work with what he has and the incoming tide is tough to break through without pulling the entire structure down upon his head. It doesn't look good.

  • Mad Hatter Santa Fe, NM
    Sept. 25, 2018 3:05 a.m.

    Samson01 - S. Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:20 a.m.

    "If there were any credibility to the allegations, I would be all in for investigation and delay. But, there are not."

    You don't know. Maybe you know only what you hear on Fox News? Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson work as shills for that network, and they are throwing wet spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks with their listener base.

    But you have it right. The Republicans have the majority and can just ram this nomination through despite whatever issues arise. Playing the part of tribal partisan, Party over country, appears to be the only value in the Trump Party. Our fathers' Republican Party of hard work, responsibility, and honor have long disappeared.

    There are many conservatives who now believe that Russian followers of Vladimir Putin are better to be with than Democrats. They run around in T-shirts saying the would " . . . trust a Russian before trusting a Democrat." What does that tell you about how are things have fallen.

    Also, it may be than any evidence, however real, would lead these Kavanaugh supporters to change their position. It's just the nature of the politics of the tribe: Us Versus Them.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    Sept. 25, 2018 2:53 a.m.

    Let's not ignore the real issues brought up during the confirmation hearing in objection of Brett Kavanaugh nomination. There are multiple concerns besides the sexual assault accusations. Those are more sordid and may cause long-term pain for those involved, but Kavanaugh's positions on many other matters are significant.

    Kavanaugh's position supports a presidency that is above the law while in office. This is a major reason Donald Trump went outside his original list to nominate Kavanaugh. He wanted a loyal Supreme Court justice who would protect him if the Mueller investigation found him culpable in committing criminal acts. Kavanaugh says a president shouldn't be the subject of an investigation and cannot be indicted.

    Then there are his views on women's rights and Roe v Wade, which most people believe he would vote to over-turn. Conservative evangelicals certainly think that as they are his most ardent supporters and may turn away from Trump if Kavanaugh isn't confirmed.

    And there are the thousands of documents denied the Democratic members of the Judicial Committee. How is a confirmation hearing conducted if all the information is not provided? What's in those documents?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 12:10 a.m.

    Why won't they call Mark Judge to.testify? Why? Why?

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:40 p.m.

    David, in Centerville, I thought the same thing. Mike Lee. But my wife pointed out something someone "remembers" from kindergarten will pop up.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:05 p.m.

    I don’t think a nominee should be destroyed by unsupported accusations.

    Democrats who are pushing this now will face similar tactics when positions are reversed (think Harry Reid and the Senate nuclear option). Short term political battles often lead to long term problems.

    Is it time to withdraw Kavanaugh and present Senator Mike Lee as Supreme Court nominee. He would likely sail through confirmation.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:57 p.m.

    I don't think Judge Kavanaugh would be found guilty in a court of law, that burden of proof is not there. But being on the Supreme Court is a different matter. This seems to put some doubt on whether he is fit to hold this extremely important position in our government.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:02 p.m.

    Several posters have claimed that Kavanaugh is "not being accused of criminal conduct." The fact is, however, that sexual assault is a crime. The distinction is that a Senate confirmation hearing is not a criminal trial. Still, the crux of this issue is whether a judge nominated for the highest court in the land once engaged in sexual assault. If he did, that's a disqualifying fact, so it's crucial that we do our level best to determine the truth of these allegations.

    Jumping to conclusions either for or against Kavanaugh, before we've even heard testimony from Kavanaugh or his accusers, is both illogical and unfair.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    Sept. 24, 2018 7:42 p.m.

    About a third of Americans believe Kavanaugh, a third believe accusers, and a third don’t know. I am in don’t know Camp. But I am leaning Kavanaugh because of zero corroboration.

    But also of concern to me is underage drinking by Kavanaugh. But 90%+ of Americans couldnt care less about underage drinking. So whether I like it or not Kavanaugh gets a pass on that.

    Word to the wise High School student. Don’t ever drink, and you have a higher probability of avoiding Kavanaugh-type problems.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 4:41 p.m.

    Barfolomew is spot on with:

    "R's know this is a stall tactic and D's know that as well. It has nothing to do with morality, integrity, or the "me too movement." The situation is a lose-lose for R's and the D's know it - although they won't admit it. If there's proof of these allegations, the D's win. If there's no way to prove it, the D's win because Kav can't "prove" his innocence - therefore: guilty. And their calls for all these investigations are only meant to delay the appointment because they're confident they're gonna retake the Senate.

    The Democrats are master strategists and play long term hardball, and Kavanaugh is just the latest in a string of outrages they exploit.

    They benefit greatly from their media allies keeping even the flimsiest rumors or allegations in the headlines every day, suppressing any coverage of the fantastic economy; increased wages from tax cuts; record low unemployment in minority communities, and other Republican accomplishments.

    Dems then fund raise off the news stories and use them to motivate voter registration and turnout.

    Stopping Kavanaugh is but one move in a larger chess game.
    Republicans are losing playing checkers.

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 4:29 p.m.

    @ UtahBlueDevil

    "Republicans don't know this stuff didn't happen. Democrats don't know that it did."

    Hold on there, BlueDevil. That's not actually the issue. The issue is whether or not someone can derail or even end someone's career based solely on an unprovable accusation. Sure there are some who believe or disbelieve based on their ideology, but most Republicans find these allegations vague and certainly not enough to hold up in a court of law. Seriously, if Kavanaugh was just a regular guy in a factory job and some woman went to the police and said she's pretty sure he assaulted her decades ago without viable witnesses and without even being clear on where or even what year it happened, do you think they'd arrest him? Do you think a prosecutor would take the case in front of a judge?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 4:07 p.m.

    @counter intellehance
    And all your subositions on what is. knowable and what the times lines warmers are all based on that same media you claim not trust not any verified facts, yet more reason to actually have an investigation.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 3:49 p.m.

    @Tolstoy
    "@counter intelligence
    and you know its all just a left wing conspiracy because of the extensive investigation that was done?"

    No - it is because Feinstein had the allegation for months - sat on it- then released it last minute, when all other character assassination attempts had failed - then demanded a full-fledged investigation on something that the accuser could not even say when or where it happened (leaving the accused NO way to provide an alibi or even confront the details of the accusation)
    Ironically even Feinstein couldn't vouch for the truth of the original letter - and the left wing NYT passed on the latest allegation because it is even too flimsy for their low standards.

    When the left is desperate: throw dirt and hope something sticks (remember Harry Reid and his "it worked, didn't it" response to his lies about Romney?)

    If there was going to be an "extensive investigation" it should have started when Feinstein knew - not when she needed to throw a hail Mary pass

    BTW: Why does it takes Ford a week to get to DC because she wont fly - but she did her internship in Hawaii (which is tough to get to by car)? Why don't you demand an investigation?

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Sept. 24, 2018 3:27 p.m.

    I'll go ahead and read other comments; but, first my opinion/observation. If these accusations are true... exactly what, if anything, does his drunken behavior in high school or as a frat in his first year of college, have to do with his ability to be SCOTUS associate justice? Seems the current proposed appointment/job rather hinges on his judicial service (note no sexual impropriety suggested), moral character in the community (as a married father, coach, mentor) and knowledge of the law. There seems to be no questions being raised about his service as a lawyer, judge, federal judge... just some unearthed, spurious (old, unprosecuted, well past any statute of limitations, he said/she said), politically motivated, irrelevant dirt.

    Certainly don't condone drunken behavior. One reason for this are stupid things people do when inebriated. Another being the poor witnesses they make. Especially decades later.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 3:17 p.m.

    "These women accusers seem less than authentic when they wait for half of a lifetime to bring unsubstantiated accusations against someone in a political hearing. "

    The latest accusation, yes. Mrs. Fords accusation - not so fast there. She brought them up when she should have. It was Mrs. Fiedstien that played games.

    I don't like the games either side are playing right now. Republicans don't know this stuff didn't happen. Democrats don't know that it did. It is disgusting how innocence or guilt is based on party lines rather than facts actually gathered in the cases. Both are equally dishonest and wrong. Republicans have already decided Mrs. Ford is a liar. Democrats have already decided they know what happened at those parties.

    Pathetic.

  • Nonchalant Smithfield, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:46 p.m.

    Democrats love to make sensational accusations--against Republicans. There is a precedent for Democrats doing that in Supreme Court nominations when the Democrats think a President is vulnerable (e.g., Judge Borke and Justice Thomas). They are delaying to try to get more people to fabricate more stories and to try to sway public opinion by stating and restating lies--with the help of the media--until the people think they are true.

    These women accusers seem less than authentic when they wait for half of a lifetime to bring unsubstantiated accusations against someone in a political hearing. One said she was drunk and could not fully remember what happened and both alleged they happened at drinking parties (i.e., they were probably drunk).

    When there was not political or publicity incentive for doing so, these women were not willing to do what they now call their "civic duty". Now they stand to gain all sorts of support--perhaps even financial now. They are grown women who could have reported years ago when the issues were ripe--supposing they were ever issues in the first-place. Their time is past and the issues have gone stale--it is questionable that there ever were any.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:38 p.m.

    @Vanceone (re: 6 days of "brainwashing" & "programming")

    Careful... your bias is showing. One might suspect that you've been not only drinking the Kool-Aid, but swimming in it...

    What you call "brainwashing" and "programming", the legal world and virtually everyone who doesn't have an ax to grind in this particular circumstance would call "taking a deposition". While this process is, out of necessity, very thorough and involves questions intended to capture the details and fill in any initial gaps, it also includes safeguards to prevent "manufacturing testimony" and attestations regarding the truth and accuracy of the testimony.

    "This is Stalin and Mao level stuff you leftists are trying to pull here. I hope everyone sees just how dishonest and despicable you leftists are." -Vanceone

    Oh, how ironic! Yes, we "despicable leftists" are almost as bad as you "deplorables" who are shameless apologists for Trump; who willingly, even gleefully, overlook his unconscionable behavior and obvious lack of fitness for the office of POTUS in exchange for conservative judicial nominations and "de-Obamafication" executive actions. Talk about selling your birthright for a mess of pottage...

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:37 p.m.

    @ Frozen Fractals

    "There's a lot of people invoking Clinton and other Democrats, claiming that Democrats are being hypocritical, and yet they are the same people that would support Trump, Kavanaugh, and Roy Moore without question while thinking all the Dems should get in trouble."

    I think you're missing (or turning a blind eye to) the differences here. With Bill, we had proof - and finally an admission - Heck, even DNA evidence - that he had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski IN the Oval Office while President of the United States. The allegations against Kavanaugh, Trump and Moore are unsubstantiated claims (as of now) of actions that happened years ago - long before their time in office.

    And Keith Ellison's troubles are recent and documented on police reports.

    Another fallacy of the left is that Republicans think, "all the Dems should get in trouble." "

    Nothing could be further from the truth. You see, we would just like to see justice in these matters. If you did it, it doesn't matter what party you're affiliated with - you should be held accountable. Just saying someone did something doesn't make it so and the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    Would it be sexist of me to suggest that individuals who were drunk at an event thirty years ago and have serious gaps in their memories do not make the most reliable witnesses? Note to the Democrats: If the horse won't run, don't try entering it in the Kentucky Derby.

  • Zzzptm Dallas, TX
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:21 p.m.

    Avenatti's involved... this is NOT the nominee you want to keep supporting. It only gets worse and worse from here. Or does the Republican party think it's somehow getting *too many* votes from women?

    This is why I've gone from being a Republican-leaning Independent to a straight-ticket Democrat. The spew of crazed, far-right ideology coming out of the GOP is dangerous, poisonous diatribe and should not be supported by anyone that truly loves both this nation and one's fellow Americans.

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    I hope he overturns roe just as an act of vengeance against this revolting display.

    Democrats have redefined "low"

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:16 p.m.

    "Democrats launch full scale destroy Kavanaugh campaign."

    Fixed it for you

  • JanM Layton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    Trump stands firm on everyone he appoints, right up until the minute he pushes them under the bus.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    @RiDal
    and you will probably always be waiting since Republicans refuse to even do the most minimal investigation and insist on ramming this through by weeks end.

    @counter intelligence
    and you know its all just a left wing conspiracy because of the extensive investigation that was done?

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 2:01 p.m.

    Frozen Fractals,

    Nice motte and bailey there. Or are you seriously suggesting that millions of women have been assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh?

  • barfolomew Tooele, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:56 p.m.

    Look, we're all adults here, aren't we?

    R's know this is a stall tactic and D's know that as well. It has nothing to do with morality, integrity, or the "me too movement." The situation is a lose-lose for R's and the D's know it - although they won't admit it. If there's proof of these allegations, the D's win. If there's no way to prove it, the D's win because Kav can't "prove" his innocence - therefore: guilty. And their calls for all these investigations are only meant to delay the appointment because they're confident they're gonna retake the Senate.

    I have a fair solution - fair if the D's have any integrity and are honest.

    Let the Senate vote on Kav ignoring the allegations and based only on merit. But HOLD the appointment until the D's have their "investigation." The agreement will be to seat Kav if the allegations are found to be false or unsubstantiated and reject him if they prove to be true. This way, the D's tactic of stalling on false claims will be diffused and if he's guilty, they'll be vindicated.

    We can take it from there.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:18 p.m.

    "Yet the Republicans on the judicial committee will not make Mark Judge, Ford's alleged co-assailant, testify before it. Why? Please tell me why."

    Forcing third parties to get involved in completely baseless accusations would be morally abhorrent in itself and dignifies the charges by assuming they require an answer. If she has even the slightest shred of actual evidence, let her present it.

    Still waiting...

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    @ute alum

    "Innocent until PROVEN guilty."

    what part of my repeated stating there should be a full investigation to either clear his name or confirm their accusations confused you. it is not me that wants to railroad through this process.

    @ worf

    it was a bad excuse at the time and a bad attempt at deflection now. so do think (possible) criminal behaviors matter and should be investigated?

  • Cliff Pettigrew Grantsville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    I heard when he was in 4th grade he checked "maybe" when asked if he liked Lori. What's with this guy? Can't he ever give a straight answer? - Democrats next move probably.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    @Joe Hilll
    "If republican representatives are so sure both of these accusations are false and that their constituents agree with with them why are they so unwilling to take even a week or two to allow for at least an initial investigation before having their hearings and vote?"

    Because delay and destroy IS the left-wing endgame; Dems have worn out all credible objections; now they must turn to character assassination. The left has turned to classic feminist sexual assault as a last gasp effort to destroy: Drip drip drip of innuendo is the only possible hope of destroying a mans life when the left clearly does not have a credible/verifiable complaint. Good old passive/aggressive man-bad/woman-victim sexist hate may work when all else fails.

    Yet is the let is going to engage in political sexual assault, they need

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Sept. 24, 2018 1:03 p.m.

    @2 bits: "If Ford turns out credible... Trump will pick somebody else (who Democrats will destroy)"

    The Democrats opposed Neil Gorsuch on ideological and interpretation issues. He is on the Court. Roberts is on the Court. Alito is on the Court. None were accused, there was no question of impropriety.

    Kavenaugh is in a different class. These accusations were swirling around for months, the victims were afraid to come forward because of they way they are treated.

    But before the accusations there were questions about his official and work product writings - many of which are still suppressed or so heavily redacted as to make no sense.

    The hearings have been rushed, Kavenaugh avoided answering questions, and actual inquiry was derailed time and again.

    Now the Republicans are trying to derail this process and are actively opposing investigation and answers.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    Got to love this accusation--made after 6 days of Democrat attorneys helping her "remember" it. She didn't remember anything until 6 days of brainwashing by Democrat party attorneys?

    How can any leftist possibly argue that this is real?

    Seriously. You are claiming that a woman who was programmed for 6 days straight by Democrat attorneys is credible? And there is zero proof or evidence other than her story, carefully crafted by Democrat party attorneys over six days.

    This is Stalin and Mao level stuff you leftists are trying to pull here. I hope everyone sees just how dishonest and despicable you leftists are.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:52 p.m.

    the merican people need to be represented with clear moral direction by those who have been elected to represent us can't we just follow the constitution and get on with our lives some day we will all have to pay the piper for our actions and thoughts even though Jesus christ has tried to help us with his sacrifice inside of each one of us we know what we have done.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    What do you suppose would happen if the news outlets refused to cover these allegation stories? No coverage unless and until a person goes before the committee under oath and testifies.

    No news until the case is heard in court.

    Guilty until proven innocent can only happen in the court of public opinion, and the DN runs the court of opinion here.

    A Gloria Allred press conference is NOT court.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:46 p.m.

    joe
    let me suggest that you are accused like he is.
    36 years ago
    no witnesses
    no memory of when or where
    no serial behavior like, say bill Clinton
    you can't face your accuser
    she wants to "testify" after you and you really don't know what you are being accused of
    You like that?
    If you do there are numerous countries, many in the middle east that you'll feel right at home with.
    Not me. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
    Libs can't help themselves, so sad.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:30 p.m.

    2 bits - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:32 a.m.
    @one old man
    RE: "What does it matter what a person does in their personal life?"...
    ---
    That's the thing Democrats said when it was PROVEN President Clinton was having sexual parties with interns in the Oval Office.

    =========

    And I loudly tried to tell people at the time that Clinton should be impeached or even imprisoned.

    What was wrong then is still wrong now -- isn't it?

    We have been betrayed by BOTH of our political parties.

    So why continue to make bad situations even worse?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    "Kavanaugh is not accused of illegal or criminal behavior."

    Then why are we wasting our time here. What is this really all about...as if you don't know?

    "Their opinion is akin to a bad "letter of recommendation" - it is a letter of dis-recommendation."

    You can have any and all the opinions you want, but facts are still relevant. Is this why the left loves fake news? Lets just move on and have the vote. The dims "letter of recommendation was written months ago. This is all just for show.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:07 p.m.

    There's a lot of people invoking Clinton and other Democrats, claiming that Democrats are being hypocritical, and yet they are the same people that would support Trump, Kavanaugh, and Roy Moore without question while thinking all the Dems should get in trouble.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:05 p.m.

    @Joe Hilll,

    What does it matter what a person does in their personal life?

    I'm simply quoting the excuses made during Bill Clinton's presidency.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 12:03 p.m.

    @screenname
    "As with any criminal accusation, if there is reasonable doubt, a person accused of sexual assault must be found not guilty. Period. It's the very foundation of the criminal justice system in this nation."

    Congressional hearings aren't trials, the standards aren't the same. Not guilty doesn't mean the accuser is a liar since it includes instances where their claims are correct but can't be proven sufficiently.

    @Samson01
    "You are conflating the defense of one man with a larger societal issue that has merit. In the face of credible accusations, you would have a point. These accusations are not credible at this time."

    You are treating innocent until proven guilty to also mean that accusers are liars until proven correct.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:54 a.m.

    This has gone far beyond what our system of justice should ever tolerate. What ever happened to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? ”No Conviction; No Circus, PERIOD!" What's so hard about that? Step up and say it GOP leadership! You think the left is going to like you any better because you allowed false accusations ruin the professional life of a distinguished justice who has a reputation for being ethically bound by the text of the US Constitution and appropriate conduct his entire career? Show some backbone! Just say, "No More!" and confirm this honorable justice on his judicial conduct. What's so hard about that? The left will wail and gnash their teeth on you because you're GOP. Surely you've learned to live with it.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Trump, at the United Nations for his second General Assembly meeting, called the allegations unfair and unsubstantiated, made by accusers who come "out of the woodwork."
    ____________________
    I wish Trump would just keep quiet go play golf. He less of a national pest when he's out on the green.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    "As with any criminal accusation, if there is reasonable doubt..."

    One more time, this is not a legal proceeding, Kavanaugh is not accused of illegal or criminal behavior. He is being considered for a promotion, so this is an "administrative hearing". These women do not have the burden of proof that would be required in a court of law. Their opinion is akin to a bad "letter of recommendation" - it is a letter of dis-recommendation.

    And when considering a person for the highest court in the nation, he is not above reproach. His treatment of women is relevant. His attitudes toward women are as crucial as are his attitudes toward executive power and the pardon power. And frankly, he does not qualify as fair and impartial.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    Democrats are getting pretty good at this. I'm sure glad I'm not running for any office against a Democrat, or nominated for any office Democrats don't want filled.

    They are experts at destroying people. Well political opponents. But they are people too... right? People, with families. Grand kids, etc.

    I don't know why anybody would run for public office now days. Not with the tactics Democrats use to destroy people who get in their way. And Republicans have used the same tactics. But payback is not a noble motivation.

    It has to stop sometime.

    ===

    On believing accusers (sans proof)...
    ---
    Yesterday on Meet the Press the Democrat who's there weekly attacking any and all Rs said, "when I say my car was stolen... you believe me". And it's true.

    Then another lady said, "that's very clever what she said. It's true when someone says "My car was stolen"... you believe them. But when you say, "Joe Johnson stole my car"... THEN you need proof. WE don't Assume Joe is guilty without evidence.

    Same here. If you say you were assaulted, you don't have to prove it. If you say Joe Johnson did it, that's different... that requires proof before we believe it.

  • TAS Tehachapi, CA
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:21 a.m.

    To all the folks who are arguing situational ethics, the behavior of Bill Clinton is irrelevant. What we are talking about is a man who has been chosen to b a Supreme Court Justice. In my opinion all public servants should be above reproach whether they are congressmen, senators, presidents or supreme court justices. These accusations should be carefully looked into before a vote is taken in the U S Senate.

  • Tweety Modesto, CA
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    One would have to be an absolute fool to not see what is going on here. Desperate Dems are out to do one thing, and that is to DESTROY anyone and anything that gets in the way of their political agenda. This whole smear campaign against Kavanaugh should make everyone sick to their stomachs.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    bachelor,
    I haven't either but I also haven't run against a liberal hysterical mob. I'm also an old, (what does that mean?) to a five year old a ten year old is old, white man, yes I self identify as a man. And according to hilliary I'm deplorable and joe biden I'm a dreg of society....look up what that really means, rich joe, rich.
    Kavanaugh will be appointed by week's end.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:03 a.m.

    Trump is proof of the moral decay of America.

    Is anyone surprised Trump backs Kavanaugh?

    Thirty years ago Kavanaugh would have been dropped by Republicans but not today.

    Conservatives need to re-evaluate their Christian beliefs.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 11:01 a.m.

    @OOM
    Just read this on a friend's facebook...

    "Every woman has the right to be believed...
    Unless you were raped by Bill Clinton,
    or beaten by Keith Ellison,
    or groped by Cory Booker,
    or left to die by Ted Kennedy".

    I'm not the only one who sees the irony in Democrats getting on their high horse about Kavanaugh.

    They believe Ford.
    But they didn't believe Monica Lewinsky (even after DNA evidence proved she wasn't lieing)
    They didn't believe Karen Monahan, (woman who accused Keith Ellison of abuse).
    Or the high school friend Cory Booker wrote of 'groping' in 1992.
    Or Mary Jo Kopechne, who was in the vehicle Tedd Kennedy ran off the bridge when driving drunk. He left her in the car while he was pretending he wasn't the driver.

    But now they believe the accuser (sans evidence).

    ==

    RE: "Republicans with their scorched earth tactics"...
    ---
    What scorched earth tactics?

    Trump just nominated somebody. That's not scorched earth.

    What Democrats are doing is "scorched earth". They don't care who or how many they have to destroy. However many Trump nominates in the next 3 years I guess.

    If Ford turns out credible... Trump will pick somebody else (who Democrats will destroy)

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    Frozen Fractals,

    As with any criminal accusation, if there is reasonable doubt, a person accused of sexual assault must be found not guilty. Period. It's the very foundation of the criminal justice system in this nation. It isn't sexist or misogynistic to believe this, and your protestation does nothing but further divide us.

    Granted, it's a good thing to differentiate those who believe in the rule of law from those who believe that women have an inherent right to a lower burden of proof, but trying to browbeat others into accepting that sexist view is shameful.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    @worf

    So attempted rape, unlawful confinement and sexual lewdness, all crimes (if found to be true) are alright if they happen in a "persons private life"? even if that person is a Judge?

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:36 a.m.

    [email protected]

    "In America, the accused is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Alas, if we abandon that principle now, there will be little left in America worthy of fighting for!"

    what a great argument for a full investigation into the facts after all we don't want to undermine the "threads of our democracy" by not allowing for due process. after all we don't want "debauchery."

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    The stench Trump speaks of is coming from the White House. Democracy, civil rights and civility is dying and decaying in America at an accelerated pace faster than what happened in Russia after the fall of communism and the rise of Putin.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    @one old man
    RE: "What does it matter what a person does in their personal life?"...
    ---
    That's the thing Democrats said when it was PROVEN President Clinton was having sexual parties with interns in the Oval Office.

    You weren't one of the people saying that didn't affect his ability to govern... are you?

    Didn't think so.

    ===

    I think that's what he was getting at. Making fun of Democrats who took that "it doesn't matter" position when Bill Clinton was President, but now they hear this guy may have done something wrong in high school (Not in the oval office)... and they clutch their pearls and faint on the couch.

    That juxtaposition is kinda comical I think. Democrats who supported Clinton and said it didn't affect his ability to govern, but think an unproven accusation of something that may or may not have happened 40 years ago should be enough to disqualify this guy (because he's not a Democrat I guess)?

    Come on Democrats...

    Where were you when Bill Clinton was calling Monica a lier? On national TV! And his wife also calling her a lier.

    Where was Senator Hirono and Feinstien?

    Hint... they supported Clinton calling her a lier till the end. Even after DNA proof.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Re: unrepentant progressive

    You are missing something.

    There are not enough characters/posting opportunities to refute the claims that are repeatedly made.

    Re:Frozen Fractals
    "But there's millions of women whose lives are dramatically altered by rape or sexual assault that you have no problem ignoring in favor of protecting men from being held responsible for things they do."

    Once again you have jumped to a conclusion that is absurd on its face. You are conflating the defense of one man with a larger societal issue that has merit. In the face of credible accusations, you would have a point. These accusations are not credible at this time.

    Re:bachelors of science

    Congratulations on never being accused. You are lucky. I have been accused by a disgruntled employee upset at not getting a promotion she felt she deserved. The claims were patently false and proven to be so. I unjustly went through the wringer because of her lies.

    Re:Ralph

    Four women now? Are there two additional accusations that have been reported on that no one but you know about? It probably will be four (or more) as the democrats and their sympathizers trot these out one at a time.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:17 a.m.

    With at least three women now accusing Brett Kavanaugh of vicious sexual assaults, there no longer is any question of whether he belongs on the Supreme Court. He clearly doesn’t. He also doesn’t belong on an Appeals Court. He doesn’t belong on any court. He may belong in court. As a defendant. The families of the girls basketball team he coaches can decide for themselves whether that is appropriate. But he doesn’t belong in any public position, at any level.

    It’s time for the FBI to get involved. It’s time for a full investigation into Kavanaugh’s behavior, including what’s in the massive trove of documents that were never released even to the Democratic senators who are charged by the Constitution itself with advising and consenting on Kavanaugh’s nomination. What have Republicans known all along? What have they refused to allow Democrats and the public to know? What have they been hiding?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    I hope voting age Americans have gained a solid understanding of how low Republicans will go with their scorched earth tactics.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    @unrepentent progressive:

    You can call my comment "tongue in cheek" if you want. You can parse words if you want.

    But to be clear, until proof is provided to substantiate the rather spurious claims made by these women against Judge Kavanaugh, I stand by my belief that this is a smear campaign, plain and simple. Is there anything about those words you don't understand?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    "What does it matter what a person does in their personal life?"

    Worf, you CAN'T be serious.

    Can you?

    I thought conservatives were supposed to revere honesty and moral behavior.

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    This is a political character assassination attempt by the same people that looked the other way and attacked Bill Clinton's victim. The same people who are currently looking the other way to give Keith Ellison of Minnesota a pass. Keith Ellison's ex girlfriend has far move evidence of abuse than Kavanaugh's accusers', yet the dems are looking the other way. Obviously according to the dems, you have to be a certain kind women (which means you have to be left winger) in order for your accusation to be taken seriously.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Sept. 24, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    This is a vast left wing conspiracy.

    What does it matter what a person does in their personal life?

    A fool is a person who believes a lie!

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:57 a.m.

    I hope this comment (said to presumably defend Kavanaugh) was said in some sort of tongue in cheek manner: "Shall we Americans allow this debauchery to stand?". Otherwise, how could such a comment defend him.

    Isn't what Kavanaugh is accused of debauchery? Or am I missing something?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    @RiDal
    "Every sane and rational person knows that we do not want to live in a society where a man's life can be ruined by a completely unprovable, vague, allegation from 30+ years ago, from which there is also no supportable defense. "

    But there's millions of women whose lives are dramatically altered by rape or sexual assault that you have no problem ignoring in favor of protecting men from being held responsible for things they do.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:50 a.m.

    Re:shamrock

    Apparently you are not following this story very closely. The Corroborating witnesses (I use the term loosely as none of them actually witnessed the incident in question) have all walked back their "Knowledge" of the incident.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    @2 bits

    I agree with you and that is why I think there needs to be an investigation. lets at least try to get to the bottom of this.

    "And if we can't determine who is telling the truth... then what? That's probably the biggest issue. Do you not confirm him because of suspicions of wrong doing"

    if at the end of it we cannot determine who is telling the truth then I don't think there would be a reason to use it to block his nomination without proof of wrongdoing on his part but that requires a fair and complete investigation into the facts.

  • Justiciaparatodos Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    @Zabilde and Samson01:

    Thank your for submitting your wise and intelligent comments. I stand with you in believing that these accusers are standing on shaky ground. I also recognize that in their desperate attempt to take down a conservative supreme court justice nominee they simultaneously are undermining the threads of our constitution and the foundation of our republic.

    Shall we Americans allow this debauchery to stand? Nay!

  • Jacobiuntherus Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    Given the state of fear that exists amongst liberals that a conservative supreme court justice might some day rule in some way on Roe v Wade, same-sex marriage, or other divisive issues, a "vast, left wing conspiracy" cannot be ruled out.

    In America, the accused is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Alas, if we abandon that principle now, there will be little left in America worthy of fighting for!

  • bachelors of science Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    In all my life nobody has ever accused me of sexual harassment.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:29 a.m.

    @RiDal

    I was with you through this part of your comment. "Every sane and rational person knows that we do not want to live in a society where a man's life can be ruined," then you lost me because there is no way we can know if the claims are as baseless as you claim since the republicans refuse to allow any type of investigation. it is not only a disservice to these women if their claims are true it is a disservice to the Judge to not for an investigation to clear his name if the accusations are false. I don't understand why Republicans are in such a hurry if they believe they are right and that "every sane and rational person" agrees with them.

  • Gil Bates Mayfield, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    The Democrats have jumped the shark. Period.

    This will be their excuse for the red wave in November.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    If it turns out he did these things... then he not only needs to not be confirmed. He should not be a judge on ANY court.

    But if this turns out to be a smear campaign by Democrats... then they need to pay a price too.

    And if we can't determine who is telling the truth... then what? That's probably the biggest issue. Do you not confirm him because of suspicions of wrong doing? Or do we still need proof? Or are un-provable accusations enough in the me-too era?

    If they have proof... I hope they bring it. We need this to be resolved, not just unproven accusations.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:18 a.m.

    I hope voting age Americans have gained a solid understanding of how low Democrats will go with their scorched earth tactics.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:18 a.m.

    That's right, ute alumni, the sexual assault and sex pest accusations are just a democratic ploy, just a political game. Kavanaugh is a good Catholic boy.
    What do we have this morning? 4 women now with allegations against Kavanaugh? Probably more to follow?
    19 women with very credible allegations against your President?

    But don't worry, ute alumni, Republicans perpetrating on women is just a political ploy by the.......Democrats?

    What?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:18 a.m.

    @RiDal "Every sane and rational person knows that we do not want to live in a society where a man's life can be ruined by a completely unprovable, vague, allegation from 30+ years ago, from which there is also no supportable defense. "

    Yet the Republicans on the judicial committee will not make Mark Judge, Ford's alleged co-assailant, testify before it. Why? Please tell me why.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    So Donald Trump is the GOP's defender for a man accused of sexual assault? That is rich.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:11 a.m.

    Where does Trump find these people? I also don’t understand how women still vote Republican?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:04 a.m.

    But, but, but . . . . only two or three women have come forth to accuse Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh has a long way to go before his number of accusers will equal trump's.

    And on top of that, Kavanaugh has never bragged about his conquests.

    So that must mean he's okay.

    Right?

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    @Samson 01 wrote: "None of the corroborating witnesses have any recollection of this incident."

    In Ramirez's case, that's not accurate. There are corroborating accounts.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    Republicans cannot possibly win if they try disparaging Ramirez and playing the victim.

    -This claim was first raised by Ramirez's Yale freshman dorm-mates, not Ramirez herself.

    - While they may not have eye- witnesses to the alleged lewd act, some were in the hall outside her door at the time and it became an instant, wide-spread joke

    - in short, reports began circulating as soon as it allegedly occurred...in real-time..starting ~1985

    - those dorm-mates were the ones reminiscing about this starting in July when Kavanaugh was nominated

    -once Ford came forward, they...NOT Ramirez... began reaching out to the media and Congress, both parties

    - only then was Ramirez contacted

    - only after some deliberation did she decide to confirm to the New Yorker that what others told the reporter was true

    - Republicans had these reports last week, even before the New Yorker reached out to Ramirez

    - yesterday's New Yorker article was NOT the first they learned of her

    -if Kavanaugh was black-out drunk, he might not have direct memory

    - but the alleged act gained widespread, instant notoriety, making it inconceivable that he would not have later heard reports of his own actions

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    Every sane and rational person knows that we do not want to live in a society where a man's life can be ruined by a completely unprovable, vague, allegation from 30+ years ago, from which there is also no supportable defense.
    The Liberal-Left is absolutely desperate, and they will pay mightily in the upcoming elections. The American people can see right through this despicable spectacle.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    it doesn't rock most people. It's another democrat stall ploy. He will be confirmed by week's end. This "me too" movement is way out of control and if unsubstantiated claims are treated like truth the country is doomed. Fortunately I believe there are more level headed fair minded people than the ones that appear in the media daily.

  • Joe Hilll Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    If republican representatives are so sure both of these accusations are false and that their constituents agree with with them why are they so unwilling to take even a week or two to allow for at least an initial investigation before having their hearings and vote? If they so that unsure of their position and the support of the people they represent maybe we all need to questioning why?

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:39 a.m.

    In my opinion the character of the two parties is not being taken into account. Let us hear some more about the background of the accuser and the fact that all four of the people allegedly with her at an admittedly dimly recalled party, have no recollection of Kavanaugh even being there.

    A situation where conservative candidates for office, or office holders, are repeatedly accused of sexual offenses many years ago when all else fails, must be looked at seriously. Let us also review the dodgy case against Roy Moore. We have got to stop automatically believing each and every accusation of this nature where there is obviously a political motive in play.

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:36 a.m.

    When trump says, "I am with him all the way," what does he mean? Birds of a feather or what?

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    New allegations from an accuser who admits that she was so drunk at said party she was lying on the floor in a haze at one point. Allegations that the NYT was not able to find anyone to corroborate her story, at all. Allegations that his room mates of the time already refuted. Allegations that she spent six days discussing with her attorney (an attorney for the Democratic party in Boulder) before deciding to come forward.

    In other words, Dr. Ford's story doesn't look strong enough so let's add another last second allegation that cannot be proven or really disproven.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Sept. 24, 2018 8:20 a.m.

    I called this a month ago, that the Democrats would trickle out accusation after accusation all in a strategy to delay one, two, or ten days at a time. The New Yorker's characterization of these charges as credible is laughable. None of the corroborating witnesses have any recollection of this incident.

    The Republicans have the majority. They need to recognize these tactics for what they are and proceed with the vote (Are you listening Flake?). All Democrats in the Senate have already decided their vote and these tactics are just a desperate attempt to delay until the midterms.

    If there were any credibility to the allegations, I would be all in for investigation and delay. But, there are not.

    Of course the team players will believe what they want to believe and nothing will change that.

    PROCEED WITH THE VOTE!