I'm a high school student and unable share my opinion by voting, but I
would like to speak out here. Legalizing MJ, however many "good" reasons
to will make MJ much more available to the public. The public meaning the kids
in high school, trying to get a good education and train their developing their
brains. Having MJ so easy for teens to obtain and abuse will only increase the
drug problem in high schools around Utah. However, I am aware that there
are medical uses for this drug that can help people. Doctors should create a
MEDICAL version of MJ to distribute to certain individuals that have gone
through testing to give them the right to use this drug. Creating a medical
version of this drug (i.e. in pill form, instead of smoking a joint or vaping)
will eliminate the harmful effects of MJ and make the good parts controlled.
Vote no until there are more controllable ways for people to receive the
treatment they need.
Vaping marajuana or regular vaping should not be allowed in apartment type
housing.Land Lords should be allowed to prohibit vaping inside their
homes or buildings.
We can thank our good friend George Soros for spending huge $$$$ in support of
every pro MJ bill in the country. Is Utah gonna let Soros get his greedy
fingers into Utah. Only time will tell.
@Navigator13 - Pleasant Grove, UTWhat is wrong with Colorado?
On one hand, we say higher gun laws and restrictions are bad, because they only
affect those who obey the law. Shouldn't the same rule go for marijuana?
There are many currently using marijuana in Utah, and it isn't those
obeying the law. Those who obey the law and are suffering are the MOST affected
by our inaction and repeatedly turning down these proposals. With some cancer
and almost all hyperemesis gravidarum (affects 5% of all pregnant women), a
pill, a brownie, etc. isn't even an option because it gets immediately
vomited. When Zofran, Diclegis, CBD oil, the pregnancy diet, the list goes on,
all isn't doing anything to help your suffering wife, you look to legalized
vapor marijuana (which the HG community swears by) as the answer. Let's let
those who are most affected by this be the ones to speak for it. The article
already states, "a medical cannabis card itself cannot be issued to anyone
under 18. In order for a minor to legally use medical marijuana under the
initiative, their parent or legal guardian must be issued a card after
"treatment with medical cannabis has been recommended by the minor's
physician." Raise your kids right and this won't become Colorado.
''CBD oil is technically prohibited at the federal level but is
nonetheless sold widely in Utah.'' Go ahead Docs, and risk losing
your license to prescribe any drug or anything else. Check out the Drug
Enforcement Administration and Schedule I on the Controlled Substance list. The
Governors of Washington and Rhode Island asked the DEA which asked the Health
and Human Services Secretary for input, and the Secretary asked the FDA and
National Institutes of Health, and both said, 'no' to marijuana for
medical purposes. Marijuana has no accepted medical purpose. There is no such
thing as medical marijuana.
Re:Frozen Fractals - Salt Lake City, UTSept. 24, 2018 3:05
p.m.@2bits"Landlords can't prevent smoking it in your
apartment if this passes""Absolutely they can, because
smoking it would still be illegal under Prop 2. The thing about landlords
applies to not being allowed to restrict other forms of medical marijuana
use."The above is correct, but consider this. Renters may smoke
it even if they are not allowed to do so, but will deny they are smoking it. If
the landlord cannot prove it, they probably can't be evicted. Also, one
poster indicated when it is vaped, it has as much penetration into walls and
ceilings and possibly more, than smoking it.
@panamadesnews - Lindon, UT"Let's do this the right way, do
the research and then allow the Utah State Legislature to draw up a good bill
which will protect all of us."We have new drugs that are passed
through all of the time that are very harmful to people. Just read a warning
label! Where is the research on OPIOIDS? I'm quite sure it doesn't
say "packed with vitamins and minerals" And you want more research
from doctors and the great & wonderful Utah Legislature to write a law to
protect us? Protect us from what?
To all the people who are so fearful that prop 2 if passed all of a sudden opens
the doors to more teenage/adult drug abuse. understand that all the teenagers
and adults who want to use marijuana already do it. And will continue doing it.
If there is data in California, Oregon or Colorado that says marijuana use has
spiked amongst adults and teenagers I'd love to see it. No laws
ever stopped anyone from underage drinking/smoking or illegal drug use. people that don't use marijuana either medicinally or
recreationally use stereotypical arguments against legalization with little
knowledge to back up their objections.I would challenge those people
to weigh the use of (or try for themselves) alchohol, Tobacco and opiods. Then
tell me what should be legal and what shouldn't.
Re:JoelB44 - Idaho Falls, IDSept. 23, 2018 5:17 p.m."Alternatives, such as varieties of CBD oil, are more attractive to me.
Legal or not, I don't support smoking pot in any form!"I
agree. And to those who state that MJ is not addictive or harmful, YOU DO NOT
KNOW for sure. Let's do this the right way, do the research and then allow
the Utah State Legislature to draw up a good bill which will protect all of us.
Re:Plebus - Sandy, UTSept. 23, 2018 12:37 a.m.. . . . . . . .
."We need better policies. Prop 2 seems like a step towards that--not a
perfect one--but maybe good enough for now. Hope is not a plan. Hoping for a
perfect policy that might never pass is not plan. But a perfectly good policy
that can be passed tomorrow (with enough votes) might be.Surely, if
legislators need to tweak, then what's the harm in passing what we're
sure we can get today and then adding what we're unsure we will get
tomorrow to make it better?"Ask the good citizens of the state
of Washington how they feel about the legalization of MM. It is totally out of
control. We don't want that in Utah.Let's heed the
Prophet's counsel to have the Utah State l.egislature formulate a bill
immediately the "right way", to protect all of our citizens and to
provide the medicine from marijuana that would help ease the pain and suffering
of those with illnesses that require that kind of treatment.
Frozen Fractals With all the accommodations given to users in this law do
you seriously think smoking is not going to happen? It's obviously going
to happen. If not in this version of the law, then down the road. You need to
think past the first baby-steps.Think about it...Once MJ
has "medical" status, you can't prohibit me from taking my
medication. A landlord who won't let his MJ carded residents use it in
their apartment would be the same as a landlord prohibiting his tenants from
taking their insulin, or their heart medication. Of course they are going to
use it in their apartment. They can't in public. Where are they supposed
to use it?Oh yah, they can't "smoke" it (wink-nod) they
have to keep it below 750 degrees. Imagine the landlord trying to enforce
that. He would be sued as the bad guy for not letting his tenants take their
prescriptions so fast your head would spin. Of course they are going to use it
in the apartment. Even if the family breathing it second hand next door has
toddlers.Once it's "medication" you can't restrict
taking their "medication".And this is just the second step,
not the last step.
Vote no on Prop 2, and let the Legislature take care of things.You
know, like they took care of Medicaid expansion, and school funding, and fair
Congressional districts. They did a cracker-jack job with those issues too,
which is why we had to put them on the ballot too.If you trust our
Legislature to do the will of the people, message me. I've got some
ocean-front property in Wyoming I'd like to talk to you about.
@2bits"Landlords can't prevent smoking it in your apartment if
this passes"Absolutely they can, because smoking it would still
be illegal under Prop 2. The thing about landlords applies to not being allowed
to restrict other forms of medical marijuana use.
No matter what happens with prop 2 people (young and old) in Utah who want to
use marijuana will continue to be able to find it easily and use it.It would be great if adults in Utah didn't have to worry about illegally
using marijuana. But it won't stop any marijuana users from doing what they
have been doing for a very long time.The bottom line is people who
want it will use it. Those who don't want it will not. The End!
Vote yes on prop 2
@PabloPicasoRE: "This is something that will benefit so many people
that really need it"...---I can tell you are well meaning.
Which is a good thing. But things are often not what they appear to be. This
is one of those times. Make sure you have read the whole thing and understand
the likely and possibly unintended consequences (it's on ballatopedia dot
com) easy to find, easy to read.This is not so much for people who
need it. It's mostly for people in the business (a few locally, but
mostly people in the MJ business in Colorado, Nevada, and California).This is HUGE for them (MJ businesses in Colorado, Nevada, California).Imagine being in the MJ business in Colorado and not able to ship your
product through Utah...How do you get from Colorado to California
without using I-15, or I-80, or I-70...Nevada is pretty dependent on
I-15 for shipping too (whether it's MJ or toasters).That's
why businesses in these States are spending so much money to make it legal in
Utah (so they can legally ship product too and through Utah).Make
sure you know what you are voting for. It's not just for your neighbor.
It's mostly for these businessmen in Col and Cal.
This is something that will benefit so many people that really need it. It will
do nothing to stop someone from obtaining it if they choose...they can already
drive east or west and purchase it legally. I really wish that big companies and
churches would stay out of politics and just let voters decide for themselves.
My wife and I will be voting YES, much to the dismay of our family and
We already legalized it for those with medical needs.Google
"Cannabis in Utah - Wikipedia"..."In March 2014, House
Bill 105 was signed by Governor Gary Herbert, legalizing possession and use of
low-THC CBD oil"..."In February 2018, the Utah House of
Representatives passed HB 195, a bill to legalize the "right to try" and
grow medical marijuana plants for terminally ill patients"...Young people who want pot just keep pushing for more and more liberal laws
yearly. Sometimes they pass, sometimes they don't. But there's been
a bill liberalize Marijuana use in Utah every year since 2014 (according to
Wikipedia)==Landlords can't prevent smoking it in
your apartment if this passes (if you have a card or think you could get a
card). It's easy to get a card. Ask Cal residents.Do you know
how hard it is to get the strong smell of marijuana out of walls and carpets
after a user moves out?Even if other residents in your building
complain about the smell... there's nothing you can do to prevent smoking
it in the apartment after this passes. No smoking laws don't apply,
because it's medicine.Wait till it's in pill form, so
doctors can prescribe and control amount used.
I find it ironic that more liquor stores are approved every year in Utah; and I
have not heard about any medical benefits of alcohol which many people use to
deal with physical or mental pain. If one can freely purchase alcohol
and cigarettes in as much quantity as they like how can you argue with the
proposal to help people who through experience know how much they have been
helped with the use of medical marijuana?
I for one haven't been taken in by all the hype.Or the
excessive sophistry about all the supposed 'poor people who are
suffering.'I shall be voting NO on Prop 2.
The more hyperbolic and unhinged the opposition gets, the more I’m
inclined to vote for this initiative
The Republican legislature and their sponsor's have done nothing for the
people of Utah regarding this issue, so we must do it ourselves. Vote
"yes" on Prop 2, and if the legislature really wants to do something
constructive for a change, they'll have two years to fix it before it goes
into effect. Don't fall for the speculative scare tactics of a well
financed local newspaper. Force the legislature to do their job. Vote
Impartial 7Said posters anti religious epithets regarding prop 2 are
inaccurate. The church refuses the legalization of recreational marijuana use.
This bill is named to insinuate legalizing medical marijuana, when infact in
2014 herbert signed a bill to legalise and possession and use of low thc cbd oil
for medical purpose, the bill did not allow for the sale of the oil within the
state but simply allows those that need it to possess it.Prop 2 is
simply to allow for recreational use of marijuana and to legalise the sale and
cultivation of it within the state its not a medical marijuana bill, this is
simply a liberal leftist ploy to propigate to the utah public the false narative
to alloy medical marijuana use when it has already been legal to possess, with
the only caviate prop 2 does not legalise traditional smoking of the drug, but
allows edibles and vaping which is just as if not more effective in delivering
the effects of the drug.Just like adults who buy alcohol for kids
the same will be done with marijuana vaping oil and edibles, prop 2 endangers
our youth and family values and this bill should be defeated.It is
ignorant to think this initiative is a good idea.
Liberal Larry here suggests the studies reflect no increase of traffic accidents
in states after legalization of marijuana. Most legit studies show
otherwise.Think about it. The tobacco industry for decades falsely
came up with study after study that suggested tobacco had no ill effects on the
users. I am all for pain relief. I have been in agony for 25 years
day and night now from a multi-car accident. I would welcome relief and would
love to see if cannabis worked for me. But I worry greatly about the impact it
will have on our youth. Often marijuana is the first step of those who get
addicted to opiods. Knowing it can be vaporized opens another can
of worms. Vaporization can penetrate the walls between units. I am aware of
that very thing with a renter who had to be evicted because the marijuana vapor
was going via the attic into the bedroom of any infant next door. Not good! If
it is "medical" then a landlord will have no control over this, whereas
with smoking they can restrict.This bill is too loose and needs
re-work. Also the proponents want to open the gates to use it before adequate
controls are in place. Let's not get too hasty here.
voting yes to prop 2. people who abuse it are going to abuse it regardless. let
this drug become available to those who truly need it.
KHS - UK, 00Sept. 23, 2018 12:27 p.m.Who is to say marijuana is a
safe and effective drug? And for what conditions? Is there any research that
proves it is effective. Or are they just going to go on hearsay? Israel has been doing legitimate research of marijuana for years. So have some
other countries. International Association for Cannabinoid Medicines, a medical
marijuana research organization based in Cologne, Germany also has been doing
research. Research on marijuana’s potential for medicinal use
has been hampered for years by federal restrictions in the United States. Blame
our gov't for not actively participating in research with regard to
marijuana. If they had we would know even more about it than we do now. A lot of people want it legalized for recreational use. Like alcohol, it
will come with many expensive problems as well just as alcohol has. But, the
concern about recreational use should not stop research for medical use that is
regulated and managed.
I'm fighting cancer and will be voting no.
I am lds 2Based on said posters comments either they have not
researched what this bill will do if passed and are completely ignorant of what
is in the bill. Because any lds person would not knowing agree to legalise
recreational use.This bill will legalise vaping marijuana oil, and
allow for edibles like brownies which are 3 times as potent as if just smoking
it.Prop 2 will turn Utah into a drug users haven just like colorado,
nevada and washington.The bill allows for licensed growers called
dispenceries legal in any city or town in the state, giving easy access to this
ilicite drug to our young people which destroys lives. It is
incredibly ignorant to vote for prop 2 if you disagree with recreational use
marijuana.The church wants legalised medical marijuana as a
prescription drug which alot of people could benefit from, but this bill is not
just legalising it for medical use. This law needs to be rewritten
to only include medical use of the drug.
Great job putting this list together!
@JoelB44 - Idaho Falls, IDSept. 23, 2018 5:17 p.m.“Alternatives, such as varieties of CBD oil, are more attractive to me.
Legal or not, I don't support smoking pot in any form!”Smoking is prohibited under prop 2.
What a great article and it touched on every aspect that Utah is going to face
if it legalizes medical marijuana. Here in Hawaii we are further down the road
then Utah so I hope it's legislators are looking at the experiences in
other states like Colorado, California, and Hawaii in implementing it's
program. I'm concerned that if/when the bill passes and the program is
implemented patients will have to renew their cards every six months. Ivy Lou
Hibbitt, a Nurse Practitioner for Certicann.com told me that "many medical
marijuana card holders are seniors on fixed budgets and with limited
transportation" and that means they are going to have a hard time renewing
their cards if they're forced to do it every six months. Let's hope
that the cards will be valid for at least one year. The law in Hawaii recently
changed so that card holders can be certified for up to 3 years if their
condition is 'chronic'.
Alternatives, such as varieties of CBD oil, are more attractive to me. Legal
or not, I don't support smoking pot in any form!
The issue is not really marijuana, since science and widespread experience have
shown it has no significant harms. - The issue is the FRAUDULENTLY ENACTED
prohibition!More than 600,000 innocent Americans are arrested for
simple marijuana possession each year and made second-class citizens - for life!
They will forever face large obstacles to decent employment, education, travel,
housing, government benefits, and will always go into court with one strike
against them. They can even have their children taken away! 25
million Americans are now locked away in this very un-American sub-class because
of this bogus "criminal" record. That has a horrible effect on the whole
country, being a massive waste of human potential. In all it's
81 miserable years, marijuana prohibition has never accomplished one positive
thing. - It has ONLY caused vast amounts of crime, violence, corruption, death
and the severe diminishing of everyone's freedom.There is no
more important domestic issue than ending what is essentially the American
Quit stalling. Quit deflecting. Pass the bill, then address all these petty
little issues after. They're had been plenty of opportunity to contribute
to this legislation, but the Church and legislators failed to take the
opportunities. Instead, they opposed everything without thought, research, or
science. Now they are being dishonest and playing citizens of this state for
fools. Pass this bill and force Herbert, the legislature, and the
Church to take it seriously. People are suffering! Don't let
these political games force them to continue suffering!
One initiative is to liberal and the other too restrictive. There are other
medical conditions that could be helped with medical cannabis. The cannibus
would create less side effects than some legitimate, legal scripts that can have
some pretty serious side effects. Go back to the drawing board and
come up with a better compromise bill.
Again this will not usher in recreational use. It’s already here. This
article is nothing but one sided propaganda. I will vote for Prop 2 and
encourage others to do the same.
Who is to say marijuana is a safe and effective drug? And for what conditions?
Is there any research that proves it is effective. Or are they just going to go
Very informative article. One thing missing though was that the Dept. of Health
would be required to delete sales records after only 60 days. I vote no to an
initiative that claims to be medical but does not keep records like a pharmacy
would for 5 years.
I support legit medical use of marijuana. ..and every other drug for that
matter.I oppose recreational use.I oppose dishonest
marketing that uses medical use to push de facto recreational legalization.I worry about the principle of State nullification of federal laws. What
other federal laws, rules, or court decisions do proponents of this initiative
think Utah should nullify? Land use laws? Environmental regs? Decisions on
marriage or abortion?I am voting no.
The Utah Legislature, influenced by the LDS church (88% belong to "the"
church) had plenty of opportunity to build a comprehensive MMJ policy. And they
did what they usually do when 73% of Utahn's support something, they ignore
and deny. Prop 2 is the result. The fear tactics used by the church and other
opponents are despicable and dishonest. If Prop 2 passes, it won't go into
effect for 2+ years if the Legislature doesn't pass an effective MMJ
policy. So, vote yes and force the Utah Legislature to pass a law in the next
year or so.
Marijuana is life saving medicine for many people, and a much safer alternative
to pills for eveyone else. Prop two will be wildly successful just like every
single other medical marijuana program in this nation. After a few years we
will a look back at the absurd "reefer mandess" talking points and
wonder why we ever took them seriously. Nothing against the anti side but they
have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. There is more danger in a
single pharmacy than in a million marijuana dispensaries and that's just a
simole fact. This same exact movie has been replayed over and over again in
every state which takes this much needed step. At the end of the day cannabis
is gods medicine, it has been legally used by civilization for thousands upon
thousands of years without incident. Unfortunately the past 80 years of
prohibtion has brainwashed a large portion of society, we are finally changing
that, it will take time for reality to sink it, but mark my words, it will.
Eveyone is anti marijuana until they watch what it can do for sick family
members and friends.
At the bottom Salt Lake County Health Department comments saying that the
initiative ignores science. As someone who supports recreational use I would not
want the initiative to ignore science, facts are facts regardless of how you
feel. However, Science currently doesn't have much to say in
regards to marijuana as taken in the form of vapor or edibles, the evidence
shows is that it has medicinal effects and when not smoked appears to be
generally harmless (Studies prove it's actually safer than many
prescription drugs). So why then assert that there's something that we
don't know about? It could very well be as safe as we think it is.
Furthermore, even if we do find out that it has harmful properties, so does
alcohol, nicotine and many prescription drugs.The solution
isn't to lock up non-violent drug offenders. That is immoral and
outrageous. Legalize it, if it turns out to have harmful properties we provide
recovery and harm reduction programs. This worked in Portugal, is backed by
Science and is statistically proven when tried with drugs like heroin, lowering
regular use, HIV infections and overdose deaths nearly vanish.Slightly altering your conscious is not a crime.
There seems to be a lot of speculation and what-ifs when Prop 2 passes. Just
think if you had a loved one that needed medical marijuana; would you worry
about those who might use the herb for recreation? Prop 2 is going to get my
vote even though I am not interested in drugs whatsoever.
I thank god, I live in a country that has allowed me, albeit in CT, to have a
medical canabis card. I wish I had put in for a card sooner, as I am in my
sixties and have had my canabis card, for a bit over a year now. I have ptsd,
probably from a gift of tbi and a couple resected ribs, etc etc, my family
doctor has prescribed many different types of meds over the years, most of which
I took for a couple of months to make sure I achieved the "desired
effect" , at best those meds changed my personality or made me lethargic, in
a couple of instances those meds threw me into night tremors, that my wife had
some difficulty waking me out of, another med I was taking turned out to be
really bad for the heart and did nothing for ptsd symton so big pharma products
have many more problems than cannabis ever had. Oh but the social stigma, be
damned, canabis works for a lot of truly deserving folks out there.
Another concern that isn't mentioned much is driving under the influence of
marijuana . Since doctors will be prescribing this just as they prescribe other
medications, driving when using this drug could be handled just as they already
do - they contact the Driver License Bureau and their patients have to have a
doctor's signature every year to allow them to drive. Folks that are on
blood pressure, diabetes, epilepsy, other pain medication drugs already have
restrictions in certain cases and most all have to be monitored. Those who
drink and drive aren't easily identified, but prescription drugs can be
tracked and licenses revoked if necessary.
We are a drug society with pills for every mood, every emotion, every pain, and
every ache.We even have pills for fake aches and pains.We're a cry baby society taught to expect a pain free life regardless of
our actions or nature.We have a million types of pills, potions and
elixirs today.A million and one will surely cure everything again.
Freedom from government regulation and improved healthcare options are goals of
this new law.
It is time for or weekly attack on medical marijuana ( with a repeat of the
finances). The Legislature has had more than enough time to face the music, now
it's time for the people to decide. I support Prop 2.
After the wacky weed became legal in Washington State, and Colorado, studies
bythe Drug Policy Alliance, the libertarian Cato Institute, and the
Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, revealed their
findings!And the results revealed that legal pot has zero effect on
traffic fatalities, and no discernible increase in teen drug use. Taxes on
legal weed are up, but not huge contributors to the budgets, and arrests for
small quantities of the drug are way down.On the negative side, in
Colorado the number of child pot poisonings increased from 25 to 47, and their
are difficulties in measuring the level of performance impairment in drivers.Legal medical marijuana in Utah will have very, little impact on almost
anything except a few people who need it medically!
What bothers me is the total disregard of federal laws, including prohibition of
local law enforcement from cooperating with federal officers regarding marijuana
laws violations. A lot of issues have surfaced in Colorado since marijuana was
legalized. I’m also afraid taxes will be increased to deal with those
issues as well. Finally, Federal lands will be filled with illegal marijuana
fields as the State cannot regulate who grows things there.
One thing you should know about Utah's medical initiative: Keep the big pharmas out of taking control !!!
Prediction - the number of people in Utah who are diagnosed with PTSD , chronic
pain or autism spectrum will skyrocket.CBD oil according to the
article is already legal in Utah. That seems to have the benefits without the
high. I think doctors should be given the opportunity to only prescribe only
the cbd oil if that is all they want to prescribe.There are studies
of mj in ptsd that showed no benefit. Mj is not a recommended treatment by the
APA.Recently met someone with she said a $50 a day habit (1500 per
month, or $18000 per year) habit and she was 20 with 3 mj possession tickets
already this year. That is enough for tuition, a house or condo payment, car
payment etc. Who says mj is not addicting. Elon Musk recently said he
didn't find mj conductive to productivity. Our economy will not
benefit.People are passionate about their mj. I think there should
be some head to head studies between cbd oil and whole mj plant. In conditions
where the cbd oil is just as effective, why do would we want to promote someone
getting high, especially if we are going to ask the government to label it
"medical", because if it is med, it must be good for you right?
I guess this will come down to whether voters believe Prop 2 is better than the
status quo. (I personally do).While I personally don't believe
anybody should use this substance except for medical benefit, the current
draconian policies towards offenders doesn't seem to do either our citizens
or communities any good.Between the lost productivity, lost tax
revenue, cost of incarceration, investigation, enforcement, and permanent harm
caused to citizens caught in minor drug violations--there doesn't seem
enough benefit to outweigh the monumental costs. We've lost the war on
drugs. It's too expensive, to harmful, and too dangerous to continue as
structured. We need better policies. Prop 2 seems like a step
towards that--not a perfect one--but maybe good enough for now. Hope is not a
plan. Hoping for a perfect policy that might never pass is not plan. But a
perfectly good policy that can be passed tomorrow (with enough votes) might
be.Surely, if legislators need to tweak, then what's the harm
in passing what we're sure we can get today and then adding what we're
unsure we will get tomorrow to make it better?
The irony of the opposition to Prop 2 is the fact that in spite of all the
controls in place to prescribe and dispense opioids, their promotion,
distribution, and use have been a national disaster. Greater controls do not
seem to equate with responsible prescribing and use.I prefer a
temporary bill that leaves the dispensing and distribution of MM to nearby
states, allowing Utahns permission to buy their own marijuana from them, with a