Prop. 2 'not the right answer,' but church leaders urge Utah Legislature to legalize medical marijuana by year's end

Public support is reflection of President Russell M. Nelson's 'great empathy'

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  • bdatmedicinalmusings Roy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2018 5:38 p.m.

    Every medical need of marijuana can already be legally met without medical marijuana! There are three FDA approved 50 State legal prescription marijuana drugs that medically will do everything that any marijuana therapy will do. All measurable medical effects of any type of marijuana is from tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or cannabidiol (CBD), both are available as prescription drugs. Any medical need for the THC in street marijuana can be better met with the 50 state legal THC prescription drugs Dronabinol (generic name is Marinol) or Nabilone (generic name is Cesamet). These are used medically for things, like treating pain and spasticity in MS patients. All the medical benefits from Charlotte's Web type medical marijuana is from CBD. There now is an FDA approved pure CBD oral delivery drug called Epidiolex, that is beginning to be used effectively across the US on treatment resistant childhood epilepsy. These prescription versions of marijuana will medically do everything that any type of marijuana will do, but are more controllable, reliable, and consistent. They can already be prescribed in all 50 states by a doctor to people with a medical need.

  • K. M. United States, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    Continued from above:
    By the same token, we are all, including religious groups and leaders, free and encouraged to participate in the political discussion around us.
    What would be inappropriate is if the government attempted to silence any or all religions or limited their influence because they are religions. It would also be inappropriate to dictate forms of religion, establish a national religion, or prescribe a religious test for office. This is part of what religious freedom means.

  • K. M. United States, UT
    Sept. 25, 2018 1:22 p.m.

    All right. Let's talk some history and political science. I hope that after reading this those who are concerned with this being an instance of violation of the principle of "separation of church and state" will have a new perspective.
    The saying "separation of church and state" first came, apparently, from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church in which he expressed gratitude and happiness that the protections in the United States' system of government prevented the government from interfering in the affairs of the church.
    The principle is that churches are meant to be free to contribute to the discussion of political and social matters of all kinds without their voices being disregarded or silenced because of their religion.
    Religious institutions are made of people, United by beliefs which extend, often, into every corner of their lives, including social and political questions. It is obvious that religion will inform political choices for these people, and because we are all guaranteed the exercise of our franchise without government constraint or threat, they can choose what to base those choices on. Continued below.

  • netteO Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 22, 2018 8:54 a.m.

    I sincerely do not understand how people see this as "endangering children". It is a very conservative. No smoking, no advertising, no children allowed inside a dispensary, if in the unusual case one is allowed to grow each seed is registered and tracked, a dr.'s recommendation is required, strict amount limits etc. etc. Every time a person buys- it is tracked. A child's only access would be through a dr and a responsible guardian. Patients need to have treatment choices and cannabis is a legitimate treatment with decades of study and thousands of studies. Much more so than regular rx drugs that are fast-tracked, heavily advertised and pushed by professionals. Cannabis found on a person without a card will be prosecuted. Where is the "easy access" rule in this prop? Also, I'm VERY SURE that it would be "tweaked" ASAP if a problem is obvious. Please allow PATIENT ACCESS NOW - vote prop 2.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Sept. 20, 2018 6:54 p.m.

    @ConradGurch: "So in other words if you disagree with the LDS Church you are demonstrating hostility?"

    Not at all. Read more carefully?

    If you attempt to silence a view with which you disagree, you are being hostile to the 1st amd.

    Feigning concern about church tax status for churches whose views you dislike, while not making the same demands of churches you agree with demonstrates the concern is not an honest misunderstanding of tax code, but is in fact an effort to silence (or at least minimize) opposing views. That is hostile to the principle of free speech. It is--And I never say this lightly--UnAmerican.

    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.

    The highest expression of freedom of speech is protecting speech we find offensive.

    Counter speech you dislike with civil, rational speech of your own. Never try to silence another. Sooner or later that power, if allowed to exist, will be used against you .

    And that is far more serious and lasting than any single election, debate, or event

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 20, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT

    Every person who has attacked The Church of Jesus Christ for voicing an opinion while supporting or remaining silent on the Catholic Church doing likewise on the other side is demonstrating hostility to free speech.

    So in other words if you disagree with the LDS Church you are demonstrating hostility?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Sept. 19, 2018 9:33 p.m.

    @ConradGurch

    The State doesn't promote one religion over another. The citizens vote their values and when 60% or more share common values with the The Church of Jesus Christ, those values are rightly reflected in law.

    Every person who has attacked The Church of Jesus Christ for voicing an opinion while supporting or remaining silent on the Catholic Church doing likewise on the other side is demonstrating hostility to free speech.

    I disagree with the Catholic Church on this issue. But I 100% support their right to voice their opinion amd advocate for what they believe to be good public policy. I support the 1st amd even when I disagree with the message. Give it a try. It feels great to engage in true American values.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 19, 2018 4:51 p.m.

    For those worried that people living more than 100 miles from a dispensary would be allowed to grow marijuana, keep this in mind: If dispensaries were place in just two locations--Salt Lake City and Beaver--more than 90% of the state's population would be within 100 miles of a dispensary. That would rise to about 99% if a third dispensary were placed in Price.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2018 2:27 p.m.

    NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UT

    The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others!

    Why does this state promote one religion over others?

    I hear the catholic church wants prop 2 done before Thanksgiving, wonder which religion will win out?

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Sept. 19, 2018 12:22 p.m.

    @ConradGurch: "If the mormon church wants to voice their opinion with the legislature then when will they start paying taxes?"

    Are you suggesting or supporting some kind of poll tax or pay-to-play?

    I don't see where the 1st amd enumerated right to petition government is dependent on payment of any taxes, nor do I lose my rights just because I join together with others to form voluntary associations.

    These small minded attacks on churches grow tiresome. Almost without fail, those who attack church tax status are silent on the tax status of secular non profits. These same folks also never complain when churches take a left wing political position as they often do on immigration, guns, or welfare.

    Stop the small minded attacks on churches and religious freedom. They are most unbecomming. With good reason is the 1st amd where it is.

    The freedom to speak and petition government both as individuals and as groups of like minded individuals is crucial to all other freedoms. You can disagree with the content of someone's speech, but should always defend their right to so speak.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 19, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    If the mormon church wants to voice their opinion with the legislature then when will they start paying taxes?

  • Tahoemormon70 Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 19, 2018 2:32 a.m.

    This is the first time in thirty years being a Latter-day Saint that I can say that I am both embarrassed and ashamed at the Church's lack of compassion, empathy, consistency and transparency. They are acting more desperate and erratic the closer it is to election day. They are acting less like the Lord's Church and more like some excessively oppressive oligarchy losing control of its citizenry.

  • bemorefair MH, 00
    Sept. 18, 2018 10:30 p.m.

    @cjb - I can guarantee you the medical community and Church have studied this issue harder than anyone else, so why wouldn't they take their recommendation into advisement? My goodness, everyone thinks there is some major conspiracy here. I'd love to hear from people who have studied and researched the issue more than the Church, because so far, there isn't anyone who has studied it out in such depth.

  • Jason Wharton MALTA, ID
    Sept. 18, 2018 5:03 p.m.

    I get that the Church cares about young people and that herbs such as marijuana should be used with wisdom and prudence.

    However, whether you like it or not, what medical substances or recreational substances young people use is 100% the responsibility of the parents.

    We don't need or want a nanny government.

    We don't need or want a nanny church.

    We want our liberty to be responsible for our own lives and it is totally ludicrous that a segment of society should even think to infringe upon another adult's right to use marijuana, whether medicinally or to enhance their quality of life in a harmless manner.

    We don't need laws restricting what people can and cannot do with plants God has given us.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    The church is a global institution and must act accordingly. Meddling in local politics is no longer an option.

    It is unfair to place a burden on the state by dabbling in social justice issues.

    The church has every right to speak about the concept of medical marijuana in general conference and appeal to its members worldwide to advocate for it.

    A PR campaign with local politicians is inappropriate.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    To "A Scientist" did you actually read what you just posted, or did you just go to an anti-Mormon web site and cut and paste the response.

    As you see the scriptural reference says that it is when one religion takes precedence over another using the influence of government. In this case the LDS church, Catholics, Baptists, and many other religions all agree that Prop 2 is a bad idea. On top of that, the rights of people are not being changed or infringed on.

    Read the section you quote, then tell us how any of that is being violated here.

    To "AlipateFX" and how many have gotten into accidents or killed themselves while high? According to the Denver Post article "As Colorado auto deaths involving marijuana rise, CDOT is asking thousands how they feel about driving under pot’s influence" the number of deaths while driving impaired is INCREASING. While the drug is not directly responsible, it is a big contributor.

  • Clifton Palmer McLendon Gilmer, TX
    Sept. 18, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    Users of marijuana and its derivatives in States where the stuff is legal still run the risk of Federal prosecution, so Utah would do well to figure out how to keep the Federal government from poking its nose into a matter that is strictly the business of State of Utah.

    (The Utah War against Albert Sidney Johnston's army comes to mind ...)

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 7:05 a.m.

    Article 1 Section 4 of the Utah State Constitution clearly states:

    "There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions."

    D&C 134:9 clearly states:

    "9 We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."

    It does not take a conservative Supreme Court Justice to see that the church is acting inconsistent with both the laws of men and god on this issue.

    The "prophets, seers and revelators" have had years to influence work on proper legislation. They have not done anything. People continue to suffer. This late hour diversion is disingenuous and unbecoming.

  • Particle Man , 00
    Sept. 18, 2018 6:57 a.m.

    Reliance on a medical system that is not based "judgment and skill" with herbs to regulate the use of an herb as medicine is wise?

    Further support of a medical system based on the extortion of natural resources, an exorbitant profit motive, and monopoly, which in many cases has been granted a "Get Out of Jail Free card" for their products that harm to help and facilitate dependence and death and not promote the body's natural healing processes is the answer?

    Legislation, where needed, should be based on correct principles, not tyranny.

    The freedom to exercise judgment and to acquire skill is a basic freedom.
    The freedom to choose how to pursue one's health and healing should be a freedom protected, not eroded or stolen.

    Invite ethical behavior? Yes.
    Warn against dangerous behavior? Yes.
    Criminalize unethical behavior? Yes.
    Criminalize or regulate how one can and cannot grow or use a plant? No.

    People must be allowed to create or get the help they need as they so choose, and through a minimum of bureaucracy--if any.
    It's less about legislating and more about deregulating.
    It's about agency and accountability.

    The tentacles of the powers that shouldn't be need to be cut.

  • AlipateFX South San Francisco, CA
    Sept. 18, 2018 5:58 a.m.

    How many marijuana overdose cases in UT this year? In the world? In history?

    ZERO None Nada

    How many sleeping pill overdose cases? Any alcohol related accidents, addiction, deaths? How about for cigarettes?

    So recreational use of cigarettes and alcohol is ok / buying lethal drugs at Safeway is not a problem.. Interesting

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 5:39 a.m.

    It’s faulty thinking to knowingly pass a deeply flawed prop 2 just because the state legislature hasn’t passed a law that meets everyone’s expectations.
    Proposition 2 fast tracks recreational use including to our young people. Increasing amount of marijuana in the population does not benefit society. Let’s be wise and vote against proposition two.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 3:53 a.m.

    Re acetylsalicylicacid - Alpine, utah

    So in your mind, if the Utah legislature takes the advice of the LDS church about marajuana, this is CONGRESS .. establishing a religion?

  • Bestcee Orem, UT
    Sept. 18, 2018 2:58 a.m.

    "No. It is the fraudulently enacted prohibition that puts marijuana into children's hands, in their schools, parks and playgrounds. - Legal, licensed vendors don't sell to minors."
    Sure. And technically, that's true in Nevada. So explain why the park home from Junior high and high school is filled with pot? And how it's recreationally legal in your own home, yet almost every park is full of pot smokers? People have plants stolen from their front yard when though you have to grow in your back yard.
    Do it the right way, not the haphazard get it done fix it later.

  • praxis Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:28 p.m.

    @freemale221g - Orem, UT
    I can't find the "federal government after 30 years of study (1950-1980)" that you mention, and you don't provide a reference. I did find this article: US Government Has Sent This Guy 300 Joints Each Month for 34 Years, If it wasn't for government-supplied pot, Irvin Rosenfeld says he would likely be dead. Yep - the federal government's Investigational New Drug (IND) program sends him the joints. Another patient, Robert Randall, was diagnosed with glaucoma in his 20s - doctors warned that he'd likely be blind by 30. But one day, after smoking a joint, he realized that marijuana eased the spots in his eyesight. Randall was granted government permission to use marijuana medicinally in 1996. An independent study of IND patients found that they were as healthy as could be expected given their respective disorders. In other words, smoking hundreds of marijuana cigarettes a month had no discernible negative effects on the patients' health. In some cases, marijuana actually drastically improved patients' quality of life. Randall, for example, kept his eyesight until he passed away at age 53, despite the fact that doctors told him he would be blind by 30.

  • Duncan20903 Silver Spring, MD
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:03 p.m.

    Prohibitionists have a problem with their eyes. Everything said about Colorado Amendment 64 in 2012 was said about Colorado’s Amendment 20. Everything said about retail sales of cannabis for enjoyment was said about authorized medicinal cannabis vendors when the Legislature finally decided to regulate them in 2009-2010. The assertion that the voters of Colorado voters did not make an informed choice when they approved A-64 isn't even arguable. Well, that is unless the people making the counter argument have their hands in front of their eyes, earplugs in place and are singing "lalalalalalalala! I can't he-ee-eee-ear you" at the top of their lungs.

    Sure, it hasn’t been all wiener dog puppies and sunshine in Colorado since Election Day 2012. E.g. the most annoying unintended consequence of enacting and implementing Colorado’s A-64 is that the citizenry has been forced to endure the incessant whining of the sycophants of prohibition. But there's nothing to be done about that except to let the cry babies cry themselves to sleep and the situation will resolve itself.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:24 p.m.

    Prop 2 is bad

    If this legislation passed it would allow for licensed dispensories in all cities, it would not allow for smoking but it would legalise vaping marijuana, and edibles.

    So our children would have easy access for this elicite drug for vaping and brownies, which basically is recreational use.

    Thats all we need is this state which is a safe haven from liberal progressive ideals that destroy families, if prop 2 were to pass it is the first crack in the armor of becoming like the rest of the world. Heaven forbid.

  • Rhino40 Salem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 5:57 p.m.

    The article points out the real problem. Everyone wants better legislation for legalized medical use but they have been apposed to Prop 2 since at least March of this year and still no alternative. No point in holding a special session when there is no bill to vote on.

    I'm voting Yes on prop 2. The legislature had their chance and they blew it.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 5:36 p.m.

    To "acetylsalicylicacid" but what you quote doesn't say that there has to be a separation of church and state. It only says that there can't be a government sponsored religion like you have through much of Europe.

    What is more interesting is that when you read what Jefferson said in context, he only affirms that the Constitution's intent was to prohibit the State from sponsoring a religion. We know that Jefferson SUPORTED christian beliefs being used in Government functions and declarations, so that only adds to the idea that separation is only about state religions.

  • Farmington Fan Farmington, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 4:36 p.m.

    I agree with Brian King. I think the only way the Utah legislature will pass any meaningful medical marijuana legislation is if it is forced to do so by passage of Proposition 2. If Prop. 2 has language that would unwittingly allow recreational marijuana use, there is nothing to prevent the Utah legislature from calling a special session to amend any such offensive language, and I have no doubt it would immediately do so.

    What I predict will happen if Prop. 2 does not pass is that Utah legislators will disingenuously interpret such "no" vote as a mandate that the people of Utah do not desire to have medical marijuana legislation passed--even though, if the initiative does not pass, it will primarily be because of the directive of the LDS Church to its members to vote against the initiative.

    I think the LDS Church's trust in Utah legislators to have the integrity to pass meaningful medical marijuana legislation is sorely misplaced. Unfortunately, LDS Church leaders will look quite foolish, if they implore Church members to vote against the initiative, and then Utah legislators double-cross such Church leaders by doing nothing about medical marijuana legislation, as usual.

  • chromeangel Perry, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 4:37 p.m.

    The thing I do not like about this is that if the Legislature does this they have complete control whereas if Prop2 is voted in they do not because the people have spoken that is why it is done that way. When the majority of the population votes for something it has a lot more weight than a bill passed in the legislature. I want to believe that they have everyone's health in mind with this but I do not believe that is the case in this instance. They just want the control.

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:56 p.m.

    figureditout the only deception where Prop 2 is concerned is by those that want to legalize marijuana for recreational use. They say marijuana is the safest drug around yet the federal government after 30 years of study (1950-1980) say it is one of the most addictive drugs there is and that it is 3 times more addictive than cigarettes and that the smoke that is inhaled from smoking marijuana as 5 times more carcinogens than cigarettes. These are well published facts after the 30 years of research and study that was done. The pro legalization of recreational marijuana group are attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints while ignoring all of the other churches, businesses, and state leaders that are against Prop 2 claiming that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is being deceptive, dishonest, and violating the constitutional rights of seperation of church and state when that doesn't exist in the constitution in order to get prop 2 passed. When multiple organizations have thoroughly investigated prop 2 and said it was too dangerous to pass it. Vote no on prop 2 as it is too dangerous to pass in they way it is currently written.

  • ahz99 Alpine, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:52 p.m.

    @acetylsalicylicacid

    Note the amendment restricts Congress, and specifically does not restrict religion, but quite the opposite: "nor prohibit the free exercise thereoff..." means religions are free to do (within the law) what they wish. But Congress and the gov't can't promote a religion, nor establish a religion, nor prevent religions from exercising their rights.

    Learn to read and learn to comprehend.

  • acetylsalicylicacid Alpine, utah
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:49 p.m.

    @ zipadeedoodah - Lehi, UT

    I respectfully disagree.

    'A Wall of Separation' ... A key document on view in "Religion and the Founding of the American Republic" (see LC Information Bulletin, May 1998), is the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, which contains the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state."

    In your reference to precedence you conveniently skip over the fact that denying people the right to vote would be simply put, bad for democracy, which is exactly what the church trying to do. This is the exact reason the framers of the Constitution Included no references to any deities by name or by inference. The intent was to provide protection for religion and from religion.

    The framers of the Constitution were people who were being oppressed by the church of England and it's top official the king of England. Do you really think that they were going to put protection for religious organizations to exert their will on the people? Thomas Jefferson was not Christian, he was a deist at most and wanted a government run by the people as a majority vote not by powerful religious minorities.

  • acetylsalicylicacid Alpine, utah
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    re: cjb and Red shirt ussenterprise

    US Constitution
    1st Amendment

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    That is often referred to as the establishment clause, it is further defined by Thomas Jefferson, author of the US Constitution, as a "Wall of Separation". Google it.

    This clause is both a protection for religion and a protection from religion. If congress shall make no law regarding religion then, religion shall make no call to congress for laws. Religion enjoys an unfair advantage if they're allowed promote their faith as laws governing everyone, even those not of their faith.

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:36 p.m.

    I will welcome true medicinal purposes of marijuana as I have suffered immensely for 25 years with pain from a multi-car accident. Doctors have freely given me all the pain pills out there I wanted because of it... only I do not do well with them because of their side effects. I look forward to the cannabis options.

    That said, I am against the bill in its present form as it is a slippery slope that puts our children in harms way.

    I agree, take it back and fix the bill before the pandora's box is open.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:25 p.m.

    @acetylsalicylicacid - Alpine, utah

    Your take on this is not what the framers of the constitution intended nor is it how the courts have interpreted it.

    In Reynolds v. United States (1878) the Supreme Court stated " Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere [religious] opinion, but was left free to reach [only those religious] actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order."

    Quoting from Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom the court stated further:

    In the preamble of this act [. . .] religious freedom is defined; and after a recital 'that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion, and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty', it is declared 'that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government for its officers to interfere [only] when [religious] principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order.' In these two sentences is found the true distinction between what properly belongs to the church and what to the State.

  • donnam Frisco, TX
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:21 p.m.

    This article gave me happy tears! My daughter's life has literally has been saved by medical marijuana. She lives in Denver & works 2 jobs - nearly 70 hours a week and models on the side. The doctors here in Texas told me she would never be able to hold a job - and she would not if she was still on the medicine they prescribed! The medicine they prescribed has the side effect of "suicidal tendencies". I found her nearly dead in 2009 from an overdose of that medication. Should she overdose on marijuana she may eat too many potato chips and fall asleep. In July 2014 I stood in front of the pageant stage in Nauvoo looking at the temple from afar. Heavenly Father told me out of the clear blue (I had not been asking) that marijuana was a gift for my daughter. My daughter had run off with sister missionaries. She came back and said, "Heavenly Father told me, it is my job to let people know that this is good medicine." I was floored but knew she was telling the truth. I am so excited to see The Church take this stance and put urgency on it! Maybe when the feds see this powerful respected organization doing this, they will listen a little harder! Marijuana is truly a gift!

  • ahz99 Alpine, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:12 p.m.

    But, but, but ... The Mormons! Oh, My, Gosh! By Gosh! THE Mormonzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!

  • Rural Guy Florence, AZ
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    People very close to me are receiving tremendous relief from main from medical marijuana. I encourage our Governor and Legislature to move to allow such use in Utah. Will the legislation need to be tweaked in the future. Of course. However, don't let thousands of people continue in pain until you craft the perfect law. Look, there are religious bigots who would never support use of marijuana for any purpose though it certain is an herb of the field. Move past them and act with compassion now.

  • figureditout American Fork, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:34 p.m.

    Don't fall for it! It is just an attempt to seem sympathetic so voters will vote NO on Proposition 2 in expectation of some other new bill the church will broker. It's not going to happen. The only way to get the benefits of medicinal cannabis to those who need it is to approve Proposition 2 now, and let the state legislature work out any bugs later on.

  • acetylsalicylicacid Alpine, utah
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    @ Kirk2

    1st Amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law regarding religion..."

    Means religions are free for the most part because the legislature can't impose laws on them. Taking this a step further, religions can't call on the legislature to impose laws because the legislature has no grounds for reciprocity. Therefore religion wields an unfair advantage when proposing laws to govern everyone, even those not of the religions faith.

    Imagine if a religion wanted to teach in public schools their theory of reincarnation to every child in America as though it were as valid as evolution? Would you think congress should listen to that religion and make a law promoting their view of something faith based devoid of evidence?

  • Kolob64 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    I am very happy the church is responding to the massive support from members and our pleas for relief. We will pass this initiative, after which the legislature will mess around for years trying to "fix" it. Any recreational user already buys it all over the state. Only the law abiding with medical need will be helped by Prop 2

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:05 p.m.

    The comments of many attacking the church as delving into politics that it has no business in demonstrates how uneducated they are on the constitution and the intent of the framers of the constitution that wanted a separation of church and state.

    Wiki points out: "Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    The Utah legislative body have in no way, form or shape established a state religion in Utah.

    And Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a vested party to moral issues has a right to speed out, just as much as individuals do.

    Indeed, to curtail the church's right to speak out would, in fact, go against the first amendment which allows all the opportunity to speak out on any issues they see fit... including religious organizations.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:01 p.m.

    To "I M LDS 2" please tell us where in the constitution it says "Separation of Church and State".

    We can't have a State religion, but there is nothing saying that a church can't be involved in the government.

    To "kolob1" but the pharmaceutical companies are already developing MJ based drugs. In fact they just got one approved by the FDA.

    To "Lia" explain how making a public statement is acting like a business. Will they make money from what they said? Were they paid to say what they said? If making a public statement makes them a business, then we should start taxing Unions as businesses too.

    To "Frozen Fractals" would it be easier to just say "If you want legalized marijuana, follow the law and get the Feds to fix the problem?"

  • canyonprophet69 provo, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    Here we go again, another ruse designed to derail another citizen initiative. Don't fall for it, they'll go back on their word in the end once they convince you to believe them, they always do.

  • nananana west jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:45 p.m.

    what a bunch of hypocrites! marijuana is the least dangerous drug on earth. there are no side effects no physical withdrawal...decreased potency if abused. OTC drugs have devastating side effects...death for one! marijuana doesnt cause a cough let alone death! its been around FOREVER and has been researched for more than 100 years. it's all BS why? when gov can make fortune and use money for good. people need to choose. have a little faith in that. cheers

  • nancybLV Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    I am voting NO...This is a gateway for legalizing all of it just like all the rest of the states. I know some in Vegas that said they were ill just to get the pot docs will give it to anyone who can't cope....then it became legal. What about the others living in the houses where this is being smoked? What about the kids which allergies or asthma what happens to them? They will be high everyday no matter what age it's not like alcohol where you have to drink it to get high you just breath and we all have to do that. Is there proof anywhere where it says that kids won't also get high from this if smoked in houses constantly? I know if you are around 2nd hand pot smoking you may have trouble passing a drug test cuz it happened to people I knew in Vegas who never smoked.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    It is appropriate and right for the church to support the legalization of medical marijuana, the early Mormon church was familiar with the use of psilocybin in the church's early development.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    Add an asterisk to the recommend question.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:02 p.m.

    @ jalapenochomper - “As a strong Latter-Day Saint, this obvious and cynical political manipulation is disheartening. For years I have been told the Church does not delve into politics except in limited circumstances on moral issues.”

    Why isn’t this a moral issue?

    @Lia - Sandy, UT “The LDS church needs to be taxed as the corporation it appears to be--or they should stay out of the legislative process.”

    How does the church’s statement make it a taxable corporation?

    @Ranch “And people say the LDS church doesn't control the state legislature? Ha!”

    Control means “manage, govern, rule.” How does the church “control” the legislature? Your use of words reveals illogical bias.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:57 a.m.

    @ I M LDS 2 -
    "...the church dictating to state leaders what the church wants done and by when!"

    The word "dictate" means to "command unconditionally." In what way has the church unconditionally commanded? Your use of words reveals shallow illogical bias.

    "Separation of church and state!?"

    In what way has the State of Utah told the church what to do regarding this issue? Your complaint reveals a shallow and biased understanding of the constitution (see Kirk2).

    “When we talk of "religious freedom", what about government free from religious meddling?"

    What the church has recommended is legal and constitutional and responsible. Since Utah Episcopal Diocese and the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake are also opposed with prop 2, why didn’t you criticize them?

    “The church should have stayed out of this!”

    Why?

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:53 a.m.

    Proposition 2 was written largely with influence and wording by big Marijuana.

    It is tremendously dangerous in that it is written to lead to full recreational use.

    While the Church is getting a lot of notice it is interesting that a broad coalition is against Proposition 2 including the Utah Medical Association, the Utah Hospital Association, most doctors, the Utah PTA and other parents and teachers associations, multiple law enforcement groups, the Utah Episcopal Diocese and the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake and on and on. Prop 2 is not good law!

    It certainly does make sense to only change the law in a way that will help those who have a true medical need. Even Democratic House Minority Whip King says prop 2 is "very flawed"

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:51 a.m.

    Proposition 2 was written largely with influence and wording by big Marijuana.

    It is tremendously dangerous in that it is written to lead to full recreational use.

    While the Church is getting a lot of notice it is interesting that a broad coalition is against Proposition 2 including the Utah Medical Association, the Utah Hospital Association, most doctors, the Utah PTA and other parents and teachers associations, multiple law enforcement groups, the Utah Episcopal Diocese and the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake and on and on. Prop 2 is not good law!

    It certainly does make sense to only change the law in a way that will help those who have a true medical need. Even Democratic House Minority Whip King says prop 2 is "very flawed"

  • Sad Sack Hurricane, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:37 a.m.

    "Elder Gerard said the church would like to see Utah set a national example" (from the article.)
    Utah has already set many national examples. Our liquor laws are just one example of how laughable we can be.
    This so called switch of perspective from the church is nothing more than another delaying tactic.
    Had the legislature, and the church been reasonable over medical mj there would never have been a need for prop 2. The leaders are running scared now, afraid that the people will acually have a voice on a subject.
    I'm voting yes on prop 2.

  • peabody Steamboat Springs, CO
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    Well, it's a done deal. Start planning for the distribution, etc. Follow Colorado's lead in the industry

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:30 a.m.

    Re .. I m LDS 2

    Would you mind sharing with us why .. separation of church and state .. is a thing that need concern any of us.

    If your answer is the U.S. constitution, would you mind pointing out where in the constitution this is?

    Thanks

  • Edmunds Tucker St. George, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:25 a.m.

    You can check the Drug Enforcement Agency's web site. The FDA and DEA have the expertise for Drug Scheduling.
    Drugs, substances, and certain chemicals used to make drugs are classified into five (5) distinct categories or schedules depending upon the drug's acceptable medical use and the drug's abuse or dependency potential.
    The abuse rate is a determinate factor in the scheduling of the drug;
    Schedule I drugs have a high potential for abuse and the potential to create severe psychological and/or physical dependence.
    Listing of drugs and their schedule are located at Controlled Substance Act (CSA) Scheduling or CSA Scheduling by Alphabetical Order.
    These lists describes the basic or parent chemical and do not necessarily describe the salts, **which may also be controlled substances.
    These lists are intended as general references and are not listings of all controlled substances.
    Schedule I substance for criminal prosecution.
    Schedule I drugs, are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.
    Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:marijuana (cannabis),

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 11:20 a.m.

    Re jalpen

    You wrote

    "Considering it is still illegal under US federal law, why is the church, which requires my support of 'the laws of the land', advocating for what is currently an illegal product"?

    You mean other than the fact that if marajuana consumed in Utah is grown in Utah and does not cross state lines, according to the U.S. Constitution, such marajuana does not fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government?

    If you have additional questions you may download a copy of the U.S. Constitution and then read it.

  • jalapenochomper Albuquerque, NM
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    As a strong Latter-Day Saint, this obvious and cynical political manipulation is disheartening. For years I have been told the Church does not delve into politics except in limited circumstances on moral issues.

    Irrespective of my personal thoughts on marijuana:

    -Considering it is still illegal under US federal law, why is the church, which requires my support of 'the laws of the land', advocating for what is currently an illegal product? If there is a moral issue this is it and we are on the wrong side based on our own doctrine.
    -It is implied that we need to be a worldwide church and need to let go of culture and tradition. So why is a foregone local issue important?
    -In many countries legitimate medicine can be cheaply purchased over the counter. US healthcare prices are bankrupting us. The church position is not sustainable worldwide even if implemented. Teach correct principles...

    Perhaps Official Dec 3 could help make some sense of this (or at least add a 3rd impossible to explain official flip flop - let's keep them in one place).

    Or maybe stay out of it, or at least be consistent to the degree you decide to get into it. I'm a friend and sincerely confused.

  • Wally West Draper, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    re Kirk2 Earlier today...

    Jefferson's Wall is meant to restrict 'influence' in both directions.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    They (the no side when they want to sound sympathetic) say they want pharmacies to prescribe it but it can't really be set up that way as long as the federal limits are in force.

    They want more research done but there's limits on that because of the federal restrictions.

    They say that this wouldn't stop landlords from preventing smoking of it... while smoking it is still banned in the proposal.

    They say that this would make it difficult to go after people growing it in their homes... even though less than 1% of the people in the state would be allowed to do it considering how many homes by 2021 would be within 100 miles of a dispensary if we even only added them in a handful of counties.

    It feels like this support-but-not-this-way position carries a lot of caveats where what they want wouldn't be able to be done for years until the federal laws changed significantly, and at that point, do they really want medical marijuana now? Or do they just want an excuse to say no?

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    The Church wants it approved? So let it be written, so let it be done.

  • Hank Pym Draper, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:25 a.m.

    Going by the headline; Is it April Fools day, already?

  • JapanCougar Layton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:16 a.m.

    I've read the entire proposition. I'm a doctor as well. I'm in favor of using anything to include marijuana medicinally that helps people more than it hurts. (Benefits outweighing risks).

    This proposition is terrible and is not the way to go about using marijuana medicinally. If you can't trust the numerous groups opposed to this bill, then at a minimum, please read the proposition before voting Yes on it. Please don't just vote yes because you want to help relieve suffering. This bill will cause more harm than good.

    I'm hopeful that we can make significant stride in medical marijuana within the next year, but like building a home, it's better to do it right the first time than to just rush through the build and have problems for years because of it.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    By calling for a special session to legalize medical marijuana before the end of 2018, the church hopes to provide an incentive for voters to defeat Prop. 2. But if Prop. 2 is indeed defeated, expect the governor to say that the voters have spoken against medical marijuana and that there is no need for a special session.

    Furthermore, if Prop. 2 is defeated and the Legislature does indeed revisit medical marijuana during its regular session in 2019, expect legislators to be extremely restrictive in what is allowed; they will point to the defeat of the initiative as justification.

  • Go Yankees and Utes West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    The church is trying to get voters to say no with the promise that they will have the Legislators bring it up in special session and pass it then. The church will do no such thing. Once we vote no they will change their mind and not endorse it and it will die. What bothers me is the lack of separation between church and state. There is none and they don't even try and disguise it.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    Nothing wrong with medical marijuana. Over-the-counter cough syrup has lots of alcohol in it, and nobody seems to notice.

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    As a licensed Massage therapist I am all for the topical use of marijuana. There has been a lot of research done in Europe about the medicinal benefits of cannabis sativa and they have found it is a really effective remedy for not only pain but numerous inflammatory skin disorders as well. I have known other LMT’s who practice in states where it is legal and they have told me that cannabis sativa oil is one of the best and non irritating analgesics they have at their disposal. I should also point out that when used topically, no intoxication takes place for either the client or the therapist. I have to work a lot with relieving pain issues and I wish I had this option instead of all of these harsh and stinky products that do a nasty number on skin irritation for the client as well as my own hands. I wish marijuana could be better utilized for medicinal use, but its abuse as a recreational drug has obliterated its credibility as a medicinal substance. What the church and legislature are going to do, who knows?

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    I should be allowed to grow my own medicine. Period.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    The governor can't/won't call a special session without a bill to consider. If the Church is serious about this it will have a "member" legislator file a medical marijuana bill. Otherwise the issue will continue to languish and provide more of a tailwind for the passage of Proposition 2.

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    @mallow - Pleasant Grove, UT

    Literally all of your questions in this comment are answered in the proposition itself which is publicly available to read. It even lists specifically which illnesses qualify. And the group that put together prop 2 (and has been working with the state legislature for the last four years) is composed of doctors, people who have used it for their benefit, growers and producers, law enforcement personel, and legislators.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:22 a.m.

    @kirk2
    Allow me to present the Utah State Constitution, Section 4

    Sec. 4. [Religious liberty.] The rights of conscience shall never be infringed. The State shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office of public trust or for any vote at any election; nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror on account of religious belief or the absence thereof. There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or instruction, or for the support of any ecclesiastical establishment. No property qualification shall be required of any person to vote, or hold office, except as provided in this Constitution.

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    I'm in favor of medicinal marijuana but I have concerns about allowing the citizenry power to legalize prescription medicine. Every other prescription medicine requires standardized trials before being made available to patients.

    I hope everyone who expressed frustration/anger that medical marijuana is not legal have also sent messages to their congressperson and senator, encouraging the federal government to change marijuana's classification. If the federal government changes the drug to a class 2, it will be substantially easier to conduct studies to legalize the drug.

    Short term, it's important to get the medicine to those who need it ASAP, but long term, we need to get the drug reclassified federally to create a permanent solution.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    In short, sounds as if the church and the GOP establishment is employing the "bait and switch" strategy.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    I'm no lawyer, but I wonder if legalizing marijuana for use only as a medicine is required to allow the vetting process to proceed. If so, it's actual use as such would not immediately follow legislation.

  • Kirk2 Meridian, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:55 a.m.

    Doesn't it just make sense that the church would oppose legislation that would allow access for massive abuses of a powerful drug without proper regulation? Does anyone want any other powerful medicine cooked up by nearly any dude in his garage, tweaking formulas as he sees appropriate?
    Doesn't it make sense that the church would also need to make sure that there is a clear message to all of it's members and the world that it isn't against real science, it's against the abuse of mind altering, life destroying abuses of people and their families.

  • Chungman St George, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:47 a.m.

    The Church of Jesus Christ if Latter Day Saints is getting desperate. The are realizing that Prop 2 is going to pass so they are trying to sweeten the narrative by saying that they want the legislature to pass a medical marijuana bill by the end of the year. They think this will cause enough of their Church members to vote no on Prop 2 in anticipation of a better bill for Utahs by years end. I hope Utahns don't fall for this bate and switch proposition. What Utah legislature is going to pass a marijuana bill after that same State of Utah just voted NO on a State wide initiative to pass medical marijuana?

  • Mayfair Logan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:46 a.m.

    Dmorgan said: "to pre-empt the passage of Proposition 2. "

    Yup, that explains this move by the Church--
    Brilliant!

    May it work--- and save us all the wrong nonsense that will result if Prop 2 should pass.

  • mallow Pleasant Grove, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:41 a.m.

    We are in the midst of an opioid crisis. What can we learn from that? Opioids are still helpful, but have needed to be reined in. With medical marijuana, will growers be protected and regulated so they don't become suppliers or targets of illegal users and illegal drug suppliers? Will those using it be protected from over use and from being targets of drug seekers? Are there studies that show not only the benefits of use, but also the contraindications? It sounds like it will be helpful, but are we jumping too soon. It seems that a panel of doctors, people who have used it for their benefit, growers and producers, law enforcement personel, and legislators should be able to get together and come up with a better plan and that it would be worth drawing up a law that could be considered by legislators, before they are called into a special session. Of course that might have to include a little donation of time- is it worth it? I think so. But then I was a teacher for 30 years and included a lot of donated time.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    The LDS church needs to be taxed as the corporation it appears to be--
    or they should stay out of the legislative process.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    ERB - Eagle Mountain, UT

    "Homelessness and pot smoking while loitering in Colorado are horrible."

    Not True. I think it is funny how you anti people think the dregs of the earth will come running to Utah if prop 2 passes.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    Wow/ This is way cooler than a BYU beard card.

    As a boy, the old lady across the street, a DUP member, used to drink coffee "For medicinal purposes."

    I've got hypertension and early signs of cataracts. I think I qualify for the weed card.

    Strange times, indeed.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:31 a.m.

    Clearly a fall back position and demonstrates the usual attempt to influence all Utah legislation that is not this obvious.

  • Kirk2 Meridian, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:20 a.m.

    @I M LDS 2 - There's nothing in the Constitution that says there needs to be separation of church and state. It just says that the federal government can't impose a religion on others. All churches have a voice in the direction of our nation just like any other organization or person

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:15 a.m.

    LadyMoon - Crestucky, FL

    "Why as human beings are we even discussing a ‘legality’ of a God-given, natural plant anyway?"

    Tobacco, opium poppy, hemlock among others are also natural plants with devastating health effects. Human beings have a responsibility to regulate their use. Decisions regarding medical marijuana must be evidence-based and not made on emotional jingoism.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    No worries. We the people are going to take care of it without 'the church'.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:06 a.m.

    And people say the LDS church doesn't control the state legislature? Ha!

  • goodnight-goodluck Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    Inaction by the legislature is why we the people put this on the ballot, Same reason for medicaid expansion, Public School funding and Fair Boundaries. Left to the legislature NOTHING will be done.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 8:02 a.m.

    Even if the initiative doesn't pass, the effort will be a success because it finally got the church off its rear on this issue.

  • Dmorgan Herriman, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    Marty Stephens knows he can easily manipulate the 90% Mormon members of the Utah Legislature. That’s the real reason why the efffort to call a special session to pre-empt the passage of Proposition 2. Hopefully, the Governor will see the ruse for what it is and let the people speak on November 6th.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:52 a.m.

    This appears to be another deflection by the Church to weaken support for prop. 2.

  • rhodger Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:31 a.m.

    I can't help but wonder if this rather convenient announcement is nothing more than a diversionary tactic designed to permit people who would otherwise vote for prop 2 to defer their vote with the hope that the legislature does something. There is no guarantee of that of course. Vote for the initiative and passage will force the legislature to actually enact legislation if needed. Vote against, and with the initiative defeated you will see no legislative action at all.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:29 a.m.

    I have been to Colorado, Nevada, California, and Oregon in the last year, all states that have legalized recreational marijuana. In Colorado I had to sign a paper promising I wouldn't smoke pot in my motel room. I didn't smoke pot there or anywhere else. In my travels I saw little shops that were selling marijuana, and I didn't buy any. Simple solution to the problem.

    Incidentally, I did not witness the social structure of any of those states disintegrating.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:28 a.m.

    Never thought I would see this headline, but it is a welcome one. I know people who are suffering and can benefit from this.

  • Jamminman Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:25 a.m.

    The problem is that "medical marijuana" in the states that have passed it so far is just legalized marijuana. As long as the distribution is through the fake "farmacies" with virtually no controls, legalized medical marijuana becomes just legalized marijuana. In Colorado, Oregon, Arizona, it's nothing to be downtown and have to walk through a cloud of marijuana smoke.

  • sgrox Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    Seriously? We're being asked to vote against Prop. 2 and to TRUST that the legislature will meet in a special session AFTER November to pass a medical marijuana bill. "Just trust us...."

    The legislature has had years to address this issue, while watching a majority of other states take action. Here is an idea - pass a bill BEFORE November as an alternative to consider as we vote on Prop. 2.

    This powerful group, including the church, has rallied to oppose Prop. 2. Please use that power to get an alternative bill in place before the election and make Prop. 2 irrelevant.

    I'm an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I'm heartened to learn of the church's support for a medical marijuana initiative. However, I don't trust the legislature to act on this issue any time soon. They've had ample opportunity to act and haven't. I will vote YES on Prop. 2.

    I've watched my loved ones suffer unimaginable pain, with limited relief from opioids. And, I've witnessed first hand the undeniable positive effect of marijuana products to relieve their suffering. This a human suffering issue, not a religious issue.

    Vote YES on Proposition 2.

  • klimber510 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 7:09 a.m.

    I have a question about pharmacies dispensing marijuana derivatives for medical use. My understanding is that pharmacies are regulated by the federal gov't. Under federal law, marijuana is illegal. So until that changes, pharmacies can't be dispensers of marijuana products regardless of what the state does. Am I right?

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 6:51 a.m.

    They must understand there are many like me. People who would vote no for prop 2 if they saw any sort of good faith effort to quickly come up with a better alternative.

  • windsor Logan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 6:36 a.m.

    What??

    I thought the Church saw this compassion thing as just a diversion-- and wanted testing and going through drug approval channels that all drugs have to go through before signing off on this.

    And now they want it legalized by the end of the year??

    If President Nelson wants it, I can only guess its because he believes it will only be used by people with actual medical conditions that marijuana has been tested certified and proven to help--- and because they were given prescriptions from actual board certified MD's who's character matches his own.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 6:29 a.m.

    The Church wants to partner up with big pharmas to develop what all the medical users on the streets already know. If big pharma gets their greedy big hands on the medical marijuana franchise then the street prices will double and we will be be back from whence we came.
    If the Church wanted a real dialogue then the subject would and should be : "What does more harm in our society, Alcohol or Marijuana? ".

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Sept. 17, 2018 6:11 a.m.

    This is a huge step for the Church. But it is also a logical, correct one. The Lord has given us many things for a reason. There is no reason that a plant that can be abused can't also be helpful. The government for so long has created a catch 22 situation: It has told us we don't know enough about pot to allow its use, but has also made it very hard to study it. As a non-Utah resident, I haven't carefully studied the current ballot proposal, but I'm pleased to see Church leaders looking for a better proposal that would meet the needs of patients.

  • JohnThomas Santa Cruz , CA
    Sept. 17, 2018 6:03 a.m.

    Accept no alternatives to the people's initiative. We are tired of anything the church has to say about this issue. They say it's because of:

    >>>"Utah teens and children, because they believe it would make marijuana generally available for recreational use with few controls."

    No. It is the fraudulently enacted prohibition that puts marijuana into children's hands, in their schools, parks and playgrounds. - Legal, licensed vendors don't sell to minors.

    We need complete separation of church and state!

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Sept. 17, 2018 5:25 a.m.

    If someone were to tell you 15 year was ago that the church would like to legalize MJ for medical purposes you’d laugh them out of the room.

  • Leester utah, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:28 a.m.

    I'm so confused...
    last year the legislature put forth a bill that was one of the most restrictive medical marijuana bills in the country-- the church stop it. The result of that effort was that the initiative needed to circumvent the legislature and the church and will go directly to the people and that's how we got proposition 2. Now we're being told that the church wants to legalize marijuana in Utah but just not prop 2? They killed one bill, try to kill a ballot proposition and now want us to believe they want to legalize It?

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Sept. 17, 2018 2:21 a.m.

    While this announcement shows understanding, it may also suggest to many that if they were on the fence with this issue, their agency had just been influenced not to go against the church when voting. Seemingly, even if unintentionally.
    Of course, keep this natural herb away from all children, all young adults and all those that should not use it. At least as good as our communities and families are doing with that right now.
    Why as human beings are we even discussing a ‘legality’ of a God-given, natural plant anyway?
    I would hope we could just avoid the puzzling, perpetual hysteria over this natural, proven remedy that has persisted for decades.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 17, 2018 1:46 a.m.

    The optics of this are really bad: the church dictating to state leaders what the church wants done and by when!

    Separation of church and state!?

    When we talk of "religious freedom", what about government free from religious meddling?

    The church should have stayed out of this!

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Sept. 17, 2018 12:45 a.m.

    I support medical marijuana, but the main problem is the federal government still lists it as a schedule one drug, making it illegal on a federal level. When federal and state laws conflict the federal laws win in court.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Sept. 16, 2018 11:45 p.m.

    Now that it looks like Proposition 2 is going to pass the LDS church now wants to move on medical marijuana. Remember just a few months ago they wanted to drag this out and do more studies? How ironic.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 16, 2018 11:02 p.m.

    Three key words- Truly medical needs. Very few people are against those who need it for medicinal purposes. The problems other states are running into are those people who are not using it for medical needs. Homelessness and pot smoking while loitering in Colorado are horrible.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 16, 2018 10:05 p.m.

    Why not, if Utah can learn from others and do it smarter, let's do it smarter.