I don't know how those who profess to believe in fidelity to spouse, and
honesty and integrity in daily living, can throw their support behind
politicians that clearly are borderline morally bankrupt.
Opinions if I am allowed to have them. Re: The trump economyWe could have not elected a president at all and the economy would have
done exactly what it has done during his presidency...but without taking the
deficit back up over $1000000000000/year. Its only by an amazing lack of
understanding that you can think trump presence in the white house has led to
the things trump supporters 'brag' about. Re: IsraelIt almost as if the people demanding support of Israel dont understand
that barely half (if that) of the people of Israel dont support Netenyahoo who
is under investigation for fraud. Just because you dont support every
warmongering whim of a madman doesnt mean you dont support Israel. And just what kind of sick deity has a 'chosen people' in the first
place?The answer is obvious. The kind invented by ... the people the
deity has 'chosen'.
A big part of the divide can be understood by understanding what the Left and
the Right are looking for in a leader:The Left is looking for an icon of
their ideals; a virtual "Dear Leader" in the tradition of all Leftist
regimes. They may not be as extreme as Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Nazi
Germany, or North Korea, but the zeal of a ideological icon runs deeply through
all socialist-leaning political movements. They are looking to
"fundamentally change" America, and freely admit that. The
Right (conservatives) believes that America is already a basically pretty good
idea, even if flawed. They do not want to fundamentally change America, even if
we do need someone to help make subtle course corrections. That is why they are
willing to tolerate a lot of personal imperfection if the the leader can simply
competently navigate us away from the shoals of socialism and group-think.
My Dad was a Democrat and my Mom a Republican. Many times they laughed at how
their votes would cancel each other out. Neither were deeply or even overtly
political and I never remember any arguments of politics. But, they held some
divergent ideas on policies and would vote accordingly.Perhaps
partly because of this opposing but not polarizing environment I've never
joined any political party and have voted for candidates of several. However, I
was frustrated in 2016 when presented with two of what I consider two of the
worst candidates in my lifetime from the two major parties. I couldn't
hold my nose tightly enough to vote for either. Instead I opted for someone who
I viewed as vastly preferable to either Hillary or "The Donald" but had
no chance of winning.When those parties can take many months,
millions of $$ and sift through almost two dozen candidates to end up with those
two as their "preferred" choices, I don't see any chance of ever
joining either.Our problem isn't Trump. Our problem is that
from a country of over 320 million people we came up with him, Hillary and even
Obama as our choices.In short, our problem is **US**.We
MUST do better.
@peabodyOh, we will vote in November.God bless President
Trump and conservatives everywhere.God bless America.😊
Tyler D –“Can you find a sacred book in antiquity in which the tribe
who wrote it said ANOTHER tribe was actually the “chosen
people.”” Yes,Peter quotes from(O.T. Malachi 3:17). But
you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special
possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of
darkness into his wonderful light.(1 peter 2;9)& Paul, For there
is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and
richly blesses all who call on him,
@Boyd"With the full support of the Republican party behind Israel for
many years I am still puzzled why the majority of the Jewish faith in this
country cannot fully understand which party is more loyal to their country of
origin?"Most people know that disagreeing with Benjamin
Netanyahu's stance on some issue doesn't make someone anti-semitic.
@Red Smith"President Trump created 4 million jobs"His
job creation rate is slightly slower than Obama's last 6 years average
(though in fairness to Trump that would be expected as we get closer to full
employment)."increased Black and Latino jobs to historic
levels"Anyone holding onto Obama's pace would've done
that."moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem,"Needlessly inflammatory action."war on Christians"Which didn't exist.", brought back Merry
Christmas"Really?", brought back manufacturing
jobs in steel,"About time you list something decent."decreased the trade deficit"By a little.", stopped giving billions to America haters"He promised
prosperity to North Korea, he'd have done an Iran deal with them easily if
they would do it but they haven't budged aside from closing a site they
accidentally damaged." put two conservative judges on the US
Supreme Court"", de-nuked North Korea,"That's
a lie." de-fanged Iran, "They get to keep the
money and are justified in building nukes now. Only Europe is keeping them from
doing it."wiped out ISIS."Their strongholds were
already under siege when he got in.
I’ve heard it said that many Jews are liberals first over their faith.
This has to be true given Obama spent State Dept Tax Payers $
“meddling” in our closest alley’s Israel’s election
trying to defeat Bibi Netanyahu.
The point of this article isn't that we shouldn't focus on what
divides, but what joins us together, and caring about each other and respecting
other points of views. Coming together for the important things. I admire this
couple for doing so. I will inspire to be like them.
Big deal. I support Trump AND I can't stand him.
RE: Tyler D -Can you find a sacred book in antiquity in which the tribe who
wrote it said ANOTHER tribe was actually the “chosen
.Habakkuk 2:4(O.T.) is quoted three times in
the New Testament. Paul quotes it in Romans 1:17, emphasizing the idea that
righteousness by faith is for both Jews and Gentiles: @You are a
chosen race . . . a holy nation” (1 Peter 2:9). The chosen race are people
who are “born again to a living hope” (1 Peter 1:3). Their new
identifying DNA is from the Holy Spirit. Race and ethnicity are not unimportant
in our common cultural life. But they are not what unites us to God or to each
other in Christ. We are a new creation, a new humanity. Peter even says, a new
race! A “chosen race.” A race taken from all races.
@ Unrepentant ProgressiveYou answered the question very well. I
thought I might get an "expert" on the subject to help me understand the
mind of the Jewish faith better and I believe you have done so. Thank you.
@dski – “I voted for him to lead us out of the hole the Obama
Administration dug for us.”What hole was that?The
one where when he assumed office the economy was in freefall collapse but by the
end of his term, we were the 2nd fastest (behind Germany) growing economy in the
world?Or the one were Obama’s predecessor handed him a $1.1T
deficit which he shrunk to under $500B by the time he left office?Or
the one where unemployment was +10% when he assumed office and below 5% when he
left?Or the one where the DOW was below 8000 when he assumed office
but had risen to almost 20,000 by the time he left?Or the one where
in 2008 we were one of the largest importers of oil in the world and by 2016 we
were one of the largest exporters?You mean those holes? @CMTM – “God blesses those who bless Israel.”Can
you find a sacred book in antiquity in which the tribe who wrote it said ANOTHER
tribe was actually the “chosen people.”
A good relationship flourishes when both sides agree to disagree. For the
Trump part, I was not looking for a religious leader to be president of the
country. I voted for him to lead us out of the hole the Obama Administration
dug for us.
Boyd in Provo wants to know why so many Jews supported Clinton. IMHO, this is
way off topic but I think it needs a response. Hopefully the DN moderator will
let this through.Well, it is not as if Democrats are against the
state of Israel. Democrats are not crazy about the Netanyahu administration,
and that includes a lot of American Jews who don't like his policies as
well. Most Jews in this country are Reform, and the current administration in
Israel is decidedly Orthodox. The Orthodox in Israel do not consider Reform
Jews as "real Jews". A fact well known in this country and Israel. Are
you aware of this.Most Jews in this country are liberal in social
policy. The party of trump is not liberal. So, most Jews will vote for
Democrats.Does this answer your question?
"They were drawn together by their Jewish heritage, their support for the
state of Israel...""And yet 71 percent of Jews voted for
Clinton." And this after their Democratic president in the previous
administration had such an intense dislike of Israel and its leader. With the
full support of the Republican party behind Israel for many years I am still
puzzled why the majority of the Jewish faith in this country cannot fully
understand which party is more loyal to their country of origin? Elections do
have consequences and they might want to reconsider their voting habits.
@BYUalumWell said, my friend. Well said.🤗
Apparently, it's ok to say, "He can't stand him." in an
article about Donald Trump but I am not allowed to say, "I can't stand
to listen to that man" in an article about Barack Obama.Go
So many comments from trump supporters accusing the previous adminstration of
all kinds of ills, a "deep state conspiracy" to threaten the president
and assorted other claims and innuendos utilized as political weapons to wound
trump critics.Wasn't this sort of thing bemoaned in the
In-Depth piece. Wasn't the article an appeal to our political opponents to
find common ground for the good of the country? Why the political rhetoric
during a time of contemplation and reflection for many in the country, and a
lesson for us all.I wonder why DN censors don't remove such
blatant attempts to further divide in the wake of a message to unite, forgive
and move on for the good of the country and our personal lives.
RE: Peabody. The "Deep State" Hillary and ”Benghazi”
unlike Larry Green, in Sandy UT, I was in the Vietnam war and without air
support of our bunkers I would probably not have survivedRE: Tyler
D. I’m Pro, Trump administration do to the support for Israel. The Bible
is clear when it comes to God’s promises for those who bless his people.
God blesses those who bless Israel. These promises are repeated throughout
Scripture:“How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, and your dwelling
places, O Israel!
Blessed is the one who blesses you, and cursed is the
one who curses you!” (Numbers 24:5, 9). Blessing is promised to
those who bless Abraham and his descendants: “I will bless those who bless
you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be
blessed through you” (Genesis 12:3). The lover of Jerusalem
prospers: “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! May those who love her
prosper!” (Psalms 122:6)
I went to a high school outside Chicago that was half Jewish and grew up very
pro Israel as a result. Israel is America's strongest ally and our biggest
supporter. No way should we turn our back on such a loyal and important ally.
The previous Commander in Chief was openly hostile to them. Trump recognizing
Jerusalem was one of the best foreign policy decisions made in recent memory.
The "Deep State" is but a figment of Trump's reckless imitation.
Trump is solely responsible for the mess he's in. Vote in November.
This read almost like a Jesus parable (i.e., as a lesson and path for the
country as a whole).
The more and more we learn about the deep state and what they did and are
currently doing to take down Trump, the more we Trump supporters are thankful
that we have a leader that has the strength and will to stand up for America. We
learned this week from Peter Strzok and Lisa Page texts that FBI and CIA leaked
classified info to the media in their efforts to take down Trump. Revelation
like this make Trump's presidency that much important because without Trump
we wouldn't know about how corrupt DOJ and intelligence agencies are.
Mr DraperYou leave a reader the impression that only those of us who
disagree with the president are the only ones who can not understand those of
you who adore the president.My experience is completely the opposite
of yours. I have tried, to no avail, to get my trumpista family/friends to just
listen to my reasons for refusing to support the president and his political
party. These people can not even be bothered to hear out one sentence. I have
been told repeatedly to mind my own business, that a mind has been made up.
Closed minds, closed hearts as well. Some of these relationships are
irreparable, despite my best efforts to avoid the political after the rebuffs.
Furthermore, I did not even start the political discussions. I know better and
wished to maintain the strained cord that bound us.The lesson from
this article is to leave the political at the front door when entering into your
friends/family homes, and find the common thread that binds. My experiences
have led me to believe that this lesson is lost on most trump fans.Good for this couple. However, most likely a lesson ignored by the rest of
so, because of identity politics, this is actually a story. That's
President Trump created 4 million jobs, increased Black and Latino jobs to
historic levels, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, ended the gov't war on
Christians, brought back Merry Christmas to the White House, brought back
manufacturing jobs in steel, decreased the trade deficit, stopped giving
billions to America haters, put two conservative judges on the US Supreme Court,
de-nuked North Korea, de-fanged Iran, wiped out ISIS.How ungrateful
we are to a 71 year old man relentlessly attached by Dems, Republicans,
Hollyweird, Acedemia, and the fake Press.There isn't another
man who could have done this in 20 months. Yet, people say they hate him. By
their fruits ye shall know them.What a wonderful imperfect man we
have as president. May God continue to bless and protect President Trump.
Let's do something about the high rate of suicides and divorces in this
state; let's try contacting this rabbi to be one part to accomplish this
goal. Let's compare 2 states' data.Utah suicide rate
- 21.8 (5th worst) Utah divorce rate - 14.0 (9th worst)Massachusetts suicide rate - 8.8 (1st best) Mass. divorce rate - 5.5 (3rd
best)_A CDC report: depression is not the only factor to cause
suicides, but that of worries about finances and problems with relationships.
Teens are at risk of suicides with parents fighting. Get rid of the current
couples getting marriage counseling talking to one psychologist. How many
couples getting this type of marriage counseling still end up in divorced? I bet
this is a large number. Why should it continue? A new national
grading system should be created; marriage classes that are successful based on
surveys of the couples even years afterwards gets an A+. Utah should duplicate
these A+ classes. In Massachusetts, a pair (married) counselors run
marriage classes, this Rabbi could pair with another teacher to run these
classes. With education, you lower the divorce rate, means lower suicides
numbers. Why not try?
About a year ago I posted an article on Facebook about a liberal group who put
on a recreation of a debate with a man who repeated Hillary Clinton's words
and a woman who repeated Donald Trump's words. The outcome was surprising.
I posted it as an interesting read for those who do not understand the appeal
Trump has. One of my cousins posted that she could not understand anyone
finding Trump appealing. I answered her back that while I disliked Obama I
understand those who do and their reasons for liking him. And if she could not
understand my point of view -- I didn't ask her to agree, just understand,
then she was telling me that she was a person who refused listen and lacked
empathy. Think about it, where are you?
I am so grateful to have not had to fight this kind of battle with my spouse. We
are in total agreement in supporting President Trump and all he has and is doing
for our country. He has been amazing in his support of Israel and its leaders.
He has done a stellar job with our economy, job creation, strengthed the
military and police force, and rolled back needless regulations from the prior
administration. I don't always agree with his rhetoric, but I always agree
with his aggressive strong leadership that is recognized around the world!I pay no attention to the pundits who want to destroy him. There has
always been good vs. evil since the beginning. I am appreciative of all the good
that President Trump has accomplished in face of a heavy cover-up of corruption
in our leading law enforcement higher offices of the FBI and CIA.The
more he achieves, the more the Deep State and the left attack him. That means he
is doing something right. I hope the American people can see the recklessness of
the Democrats are now doing everything to divide us, encourage violence and
disruption at every turn. Let's support our great President and vote
Republican!God bless the USA!