Too early in the season to switch. At least let Mangum play the first half and
evaluate from there. Wisconsin will be a tough matchup; Good Luck Cougs!#represent
“Utah averages 3 and BYU about 2.7”False—Just this
most recent recruiting class had our avg star rating @ 3.05 & byu-p’s
@ 2.14.byu-p’s recruiting class ranked #94
nationally—LolMaking #s up doesn’t work w/those of us in
the know.Go Utes!
@London Josh,With total respect to you, the Y recruits are not as
good as Mississippi State. BYU gets Utah County 2 stars, but Utah HS football
isn't anything. Hill and Mangum came from Idaho, Heaps from Sammammish, Wa
and Conover is coming from Chandler, Az.........that isn't competitive
football in those regions. They are LDS enclaves where BYU can only
recruit.........and Kahuku, Hawaii too, only.BYU vs Utah in
recruiting is really far in terms of talent. Utah gets good players, lots of
them, in highly competitive football regions.
Some readers say we should keep Tanner in the saddle for this upcoming Wisconsin
game because it is not fair to Zach (or Beau or whoever). Maybe not but with
Tanner it is a certainty we will lose that game. What do we have to
lose? I say go for it. Give the other QBs some play time and experience.
Let's build a team, not stick with a ghost ship.
Yes. Si. Ne. Hai. Da. Yep. Absolutely. If I could think of any other ways
to say yes I would. You say we shouldn't throw the new QB to
the wolves, but what does that say for Mangum? We are taking as slow to make
decisions, putting him behind a line that isn't ready for prime time and
lining up across from them is a very very good defense. We are setting him up
to be creamed. Why not put a QB with a little more mobility back there and see
what he can do with live action.It's time. It was time last
Wallbanger,What school doesn't want better recruiting?However my comment was specifically about the implication that BYU is
recruiting 2 star QBs, which I think I made my point about. Conover
is a very active lds kid, beyond the education he gets at byu, for some byu is
the dream school and will always be. BYU needs to do a better job of
grabbing the legacy players, there are a few at Utah right now that BYU
didn't properly chase. In addition to that BYU needs to expand the net a
bit more.Meanwhile Utah needs to step up thy game big time. Look at
usc, 4 5 star and 13 4 stars last year - avg of 4.2, Utah averages 3 and BYU
about 2.7 - the gap between usc and Utah is 4x bigger than the byu Utah gap. What's most important is playing these players well, regardless of
"Is now the time to make a switch at QB?"No, the time to
switch QBs was two years ago.
London “The newest QB recruit a week ago is a 4 star, he
passed on Alabama for BYU. Tanner was a 4 star. Zack Wilson and Jaren Hall were
both 3 stars.” Conover may or may not turn out to be a great
QB for Byu. Much like Tuttle for Utah. Conover was going to byu no matter what.
He certainly didn’t choose Byu over Alabama based Conference affiliation
or recent history. The cougs could go 2-10 for the next three years, and
he’d still go there. And you know, good for him. Education is more
important than football. You go where you’re most happy and
comfortable.Byu definitely needs to up their recruiting classes if
they want to compete. And build depth as well.
The answer to the this article's title will definitely be answered on
Mangum has been playing like he has always played. He is a pocket passer who has
limited mobility and who usually looks panicked when the pocket starts to break
down. He also doesn't seem to be able to find secondary or tertiary
receivers. That said, he is only part of an offense. I think that ineffective
play-calling was as much to blame for the Cal loss than Mangum's
performance. BYU has almost no chance of winning the Wisconsin game and it is
no time to start a true freshman QB. It may be a good time to see what Hoge can
do at running back. Putting him in to try to get two yards on a crucial fourth
down probably wasn't a good time.
When the football doesn't move pass the 10 yards needed or even passing
scrimmage on a regular basis, there is a huge problem. No pressure, good plays.
Under pressure, mistakes and no good plays. Stuck at scrimmage. I'm sorry to say, but this seems to be a ongoing thing with Mangum. He
has great potential, but he is no Jim McMahon. With a tough schedule, were are
looking at a repeat of 2017. And remember half of that was also without Mangum.
With nothing to lose, I say put Wilson in at alternate plays and see how things
go and to give him experience for the coming years if he's still around.With the way BYU is playing, I wonder how much longer ESPN is going to
be willing to keep them on the tv schedule? Remember the days when it was hard
to find a way to watch BYU on tv? I'd like to see BYU back in a conference
like they used to be. But funny ironically if they do, they probably stand to
lose money than the money they are getting now with ESPN. I guess money always
wins. Right? Lol
So Week one, they win and everything is grand!, Week two they lose and
everything is horrible and we must change horses in mid-stream!Maybe
Cal just had their number. You don't toss your starting QB after one loss.
And why is the next best option a Freshman? What ever happened to the days of
QB U, where Steve Young came in at 8th string and had to work his way up, the
2nd string should be a Jr or Sr who has been working his way up the line
learning the game and the team, not a flash in the pan fresh out of HS kid who
has never taken a college snap. BYU's QB game was one of consistent
greatness because Lavell built his QB's They wouldn't expect to see
the field until their Jr. or Sr. years. But by the time they got there they
knew the system, they knew the speed and intensity of College FB and they
perhaps had learned when and when not to throw a pass into heavy coverage.Yes football has changed but a solid developmental system would have far
better results than always looking for the next super freshman to save the day.
Navel Vet,"They're STILL a "2-star" bonanza. Maybe
the indy-WACers ought to consider switching out their 0-2 star kids for some 3-5
ones. Trust me. It makes a HUGE difference!"Well, cool story
bro, but listen.The newest QB recruit a week ago is a 4 star, he
passed on Alabama for BYU. Tanner was a 4 star. Zack Wilson and Jaren Hall
were both 3 stars.Utah has a few walk-on QBs, and BYU does too. But
at both schools the main pipeline seems to be 4 and 3 star players.But some of BYU's best QBs were not highly recruited.Where
are the offensive lines?Anyway, thanks for your advice!
Yes, by all means throw the true freshman QB in against two teams ranked in the
Top 10 in the next three weeks. This should go wonderfully well. BYU will be
back in the national title picture before you know it.
Ridiculous, no way TOM BRADY couldn't do better. If you do a play-by-play
breakdown. Mangum is getting killed! Sacked, dropped passes more in this 1-game
than any other game since the 60's. BYU's schedule is hard and if you
throw Wilson he too will have the same exact problems. Do we get to blame him
too!? They will play Mangum until he is hurt or they have easier games that
Wilson has a real chance of winning. Then they will be able to to say see it
was just Mangum... sad
What difference would it make who's under center in WACistan? They're
STILL a "2-star" bonanza. Maybe the indy-WACers ought to consider
switching out their 0-2 star kids for some 3-5 ones. Trust me. It makes a HUGE
I'm beginning to think some of my fellow BYU fans have lost their minds,
hopefully only temporarily. We want to throw Zach Wilson to the lions in
Wisconsin for his first taste of NCAA D1 football? Seriously? Let's stick
with Tanner M for a bit more. What do we have to lose? Let Zach get on the field
against McNeese State at home and see how he handles things for a quarter or two
first. Then reassess going forward.
Have to agree with @RealFast. BYUs best QB (Hoge) is playing 4th string running
back. What are they thinking. And the receiving corps is still below average.
Please bring in a real receivers coach with coaching receivers experience.
Unless we get Steve Young back Wisconsin and Washington are losses.Big Mo could be the QB aga mcnassy and BYU still wins. Switching
QBs now is dumb.Rotate them all in and make a change at USU if
They need Beau Hoge, an experience d, multi threat quarterback, they should have
never moved him! 😉
As a Utah fan, I say yes! Do it!I get it that Mangum sucks, but
benching him for a completely unproven true freshman the week that your team is
headed to Madison?? That would be absurd. Especially considering that game is an
automatic L, no matter who you start at QB. After the bloodbath in Madison, you
guys will get a chance to see Wilson against whatever FCS team you're
playing the following week.There's my two cents. Not that any
coug fans care what I have to say!
I have to agree with hi-ya on this one. Mangum looked good against Arizona,
other than a few off-target throws. Against Cal though he threw some passes he
had no business throwing, prayers straight into double coverage. It's one
thing to have some bad throws but it's another to make really bad
decisions, especially as a senior.I get that the whole team needs to
improve, receivers need to make catches and so on. But this question is about
Mangum and it may be time to see how somebody else does under pressure. And this
next game will be all about pressure.
Well as much as the abandon ship scenario goes... this one thing I have observed
about Tanner this last game and that is he does not operate well under pressure.
He is no Jim McMahon. When he is within his controlled environment, he does
fine. But, when it comes time to improvise and "slow down" the game as
it were, he does not think well off the cuff. So will another quarterback do
any better??? Probably not. Unless, is Wilson another McMahon? If he is then
put him in, we need a Jim McMahon at the helm of BYU Football. And may God
Bless everyone of us... (Tiny Tim)
This is the same nonsense that floats around every week. Replacing a QB when an
entire team's offense is dysfunctional is absurd. This is a team that one
player's quoted excuse was that they didn't communicate properly
during the game. What have they and the coaches been doing in 2018?? Another
excuse was that the team had a let down during the week. Really? The coaches
didn't notice or couldn't do anything about it?These
overly simplified stories or headlines just get a spotlight on the writer or the
groups that's getting paid to produce something, anything, whether useful