Cougar Insiders podcast: Is now the time to make a switch at QB?

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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 13, 2018 8:17 a.m.

    Too early in the season to switch. At least let Mangum play the first half and evaluate from there. Wisconsin will be a tough matchup; Good Luck Cougs!

    #represent

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 13, 2018 2:53 a.m.

    “Utah averages 3 and BYU about 2.7”

    False—Just this most recent recruiting class had our avg star rating @ 3.05 & byu-p’s @ 2.14.

    byu-p’s recruiting class ranked #94 nationally—Lol

    Making #s up doesn’t work w/those of us in the know.

    Go Utes!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 12, 2018 2:16 p.m.

    @London Josh,

    With total respect to you, the Y recruits are not as good as Mississippi State. BYU gets Utah County 2 stars, but Utah HS football isn't anything. Hill and Mangum came from Idaho, Heaps from Sammammish, Wa and Conover is coming from Chandler, Az.........that isn't competitive football in those regions. They are LDS enclaves where BYU can only recruit.........and Kahuku, Hawaii too, only.

    BYU vs Utah in recruiting is really far in terms of talent. Utah gets good players, lots of them, in highly competitive football regions.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:29 a.m.

    Some readers say we should keep Tanner in the saddle for this upcoming Wisconsin game because it is not fair to Zach (or Beau or whoever). Maybe not but with Tanner it is a certainty we will lose that game.

    What do we have to lose? I say go for it. Give the other QBs some play time and experience. Let's build a team, not stick with a ghost ship.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    Yes. Si. Ne. Hai. Da. Yep. Absolutely. If I could think of any other ways to say yes I would.

    You say we shouldn't throw the new QB to the wolves, but what does that say for Mangum? We are taking as slow to make decisions, putting him behind a line that isn't ready for prime time and lining up across from them is a very very good defense. We are setting him up to be creamed. Why not put a QB with a little more mobility back there and see what he can do with live action.

    It's time. It was time last year.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:58 a.m.

    Wallbanger,

    What school doesn't want better recruiting?

    However my comment was specifically about the implication that BYU is recruiting 2 star QBs, which I think I made my point about.

    Conover is a very active lds kid, beyond the education he gets at byu, for some byu is the dream school and will always be.

    BYU needs to do a better job of grabbing the legacy players, there are a few at Utah right now that BYU didn't properly chase. In addition to that BYU needs to expand the net a bit more.

    Meanwhile Utah needs to step up thy game big time. Look at usc, 4 5 star and 13 4 stars last year - avg of 4.2, Utah averages 3 and BYU about 2.7 - the gap between usc and Utah is 4x bigger than the byu Utah gap.

    What's most important is playing these players well, regardless of stars.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    "Is now the time to make a switch at QB?"

    No, the time to switch QBs was two years ago.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 8:45 a.m.

    London

    “The newest QB recruit a week ago is a 4 star, he passed on Alabama for BYU. Tanner was a 4 star. Zack Wilson and Jaren Hall were both 3 stars.”

    Conover may or may not turn out to be a great QB for Byu. Much like Tuttle for Utah. Conover was going to byu no matter what. He certainly didn’t choose Byu over Alabama based Conference affiliation or recent history. The cougs could go 2-10 for the next three years, and he’d still go there. And you know, good for him. Education is more important than football. You go where you’re most happy and comfortable.

    Byu definitely needs to up their recruiting classes if they want to compete. And build depth as well.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    The answer to the this article's title will definitely be answered on Saturday.

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    Sept. 12, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    Mangum has been playing like he has always played. He is a pocket passer who has limited mobility and who usually looks panicked when the pocket starts to break down. He also doesn't seem to be able to find secondary or tertiary receivers. That said, he is only part of an offense. I think that ineffective play-calling was as much to blame for the Cal loss than Mangum's performance. BYU has almost no chance of winning the Wisconsin game and it is no time to start a true freshman QB. It may be a good time to see what Hoge can do at running back. Putting him in to try to get two yards on a crucial fourth down probably wasn't a good time.

  • InMyOpinion Federal Way, WA
    Sept. 12, 2018 6:47 a.m.

    When the football doesn't move pass the 10 yards needed or even passing scrimmage on a regular basis, there is a huge problem. No pressure, good plays. Under pressure, mistakes and no good plays. Stuck at scrimmage.

    I'm sorry to say, but this seems to be a ongoing thing with Mangum. He has great potential, but he is no Jim McMahon. With a tough schedule, were are looking at a repeat of 2017. And remember half of that was also without Mangum. With nothing to lose, I say put Wilson in at alternate plays and see how things go and to give him experience for the coming years if he's still around.

    With the way BYU is playing, I wonder how much longer ESPN is going to be willing to keep them on the tv schedule? Remember the days when it was hard to find a way to watch BYU on tv? I'd like to see BYU back in a conference like they used to be. But funny ironically if they do, they probably stand to lose money than the money they are getting now with ESPN. I guess money always wins. Right? Lol

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 3:01 a.m.

    So Week one, they win and everything is grand!, Week two they lose and everything is horrible and we must change horses in mid-stream!

    Maybe Cal just had their number. You don't toss your starting QB after one loss. And why is the next best option a Freshman? What ever happened to the days of QB U, where Steve Young came in at 8th string and had to work his way up, the 2nd string should be a Jr or Sr who has been working his way up the line learning the game and the team, not a flash in the pan fresh out of HS kid who has never taken a college snap. BYU's QB game was one of consistent greatness because Lavell built his QB's They wouldn't expect to see the field until their Jr. or Sr. years. But by the time they got there they knew the system, they knew the speed and intensity of College FB and they perhaps had learned when and when not to throw a pass into heavy coverage.

    Yes football has changed but a solid developmental system would have far better results than always looking for the next super freshman to save the day.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:57 a.m.

    Navel Vet,

    "They're STILL a "2-star" bonanza. Maybe the indy-WACers ought to consider switching out their 0-2 star kids for some 3-5 ones. Trust me. It makes a HUGE difference!"

    Well, cool story bro, but listen.

    The newest QB recruit a week ago is a 4 star, he passed on Alabama for BYU. Tanner was a 4 star. Zack Wilson and Jaren Hall were both 3 stars.

    Utah has a few walk-on QBs, and BYU does too. But at both schools the main pipeline seems to be 4 and 3 star players.

    But some of BYU's best QBs were not highly recruited.

    Where are the offensive lines?

    Anyway, thanks for your advice!

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:15 a.m.

    Yes, by all means throw the true freshman QB in against two teams ranked in the Top 10 in the next three weeks. This should go wonderfully well. BYU will be back in the national title picture before you know it.

  • Brent Orme Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:12 p.m.

    Ridiculous, no way TOM BRADY couldn't do better. If you do a play-by-play breakdown. Mangum is getting killed! Sacked, dropped passes more in this 1-game than any other game since the 60's. BYU's schedule is hard and if you throw Wilson he too will have the same exact problems. Do we get to blame him too!? They will play Mangum until he is hurt or they have easier games that Wilson has a real chance of winning. Then they will be able to to say see it was just Mangum... sad

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:33 p.m.

    What difference would it make who's under center in WACistan? They're STILL a "2-star" bonanza. Maybe the indy-WACers ought to consider switching out their 0-2 star kids for some 3-5 ones. Trust me. It makes a HUGE difference!

  • CaliCougar American Fork, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:56 p.m.

    I'm beginning to think some of my fellow BYU fans have lost their minds, hopefully only temporarily. We want to throw Zach Wilson to the lions in Wisconsin for his first taste of NCAA D1 football? Seriously? Let's stick with Tanner M for a bit more. What do we have to lose? Let Zach get on the field against McNeese State at home and see how he handles things for a quarter or two first. Then reassess going forward.

  • Whoisthisreally slc, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:12 p.m.

    Have to agree with @RealFast. BYUs best QB (Hoge) is playing 4th string running back. What are they thinking. And the receiving corps is still below average. Please bring in a real receivers coach with coaching receivers experience.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:03 p.m.

    Unless we get Steve Young back Wisconsin and Washington are losses.

    Big Mo could be the QB aga mcnassy and BYU still wins.

    Switching QBs now is dumb.

    Rotate them all in and make a change at USU if warranted.

  • realfast630 Bonney Lake, WA
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:50 p.m.

    They need Beau Hoge, an experience d, multi threat quarterback, they should have never moved him! 😉

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:51 p.m.

    As a Utah fan, I say yes! Do it!

    I get it that Mangum sucks, but benching him for a completely unproven true freshman the week that your team is headed to Madison?? That would be absurd. Especially considering that game is an automatic L, no matter who you start at QB. After the bloodbath in Madison, you guys will get a chance to see Wilson against whatever FCS team you're playing the following week.

    There's my two cents. Not that any coug fans care what I have to say!

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:08 p.m.

    I have to agree with hi-ya on this one. Mangum looked good against Arizona, other than a few off-target throws. Against Cal though he threw some passes he had no business throwing, prayers straight into double coverage. It's one thing to have some bad throws but it's another to make really bad decisions, especially as a senior.

    I get that the whole team needs to improve, receivers need to make catches and so on. But this question is about Mangum and it may be time to see how somebody else does under pressure. And this next game will be all about pressure.

  • hi-ya Murray, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:47 p.m.

    Well as much as the abandon ship scenario goes... this one thing I have observed about Tanner this last game and that is he does not operate well under pressure. He is no Jim McMahon. When he is within his controlled environment, he does fine. But, when it comes time to improvise and "slow down" the game as it were, he does not think well off the cuff. So will another quarterback do any better??? Probably not. Unless, is Wilson another McMahon? If he is then put him in, we need a Jim McMahon at the helm of BYU Football. And may God Bless everyone of us... (Tiny Tim)

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:45 p.m.

    Emphatic YES!

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    This is the same nonsense that floats around every week. Replacing a QB when an entire team's offense is dysfunctional is absurd. This is a team that one player's quoted excuse was that they didn't communicate properly during the game. What have they and the coaches been doing in 2018?? Another excuse was that the team had a let down during the week. Really? The coaches didn't notice or couldn't do anything about it?

    These overly simplified stories or headlines just get a spotlight on the writer or the groups that's getting paid to produce something, anything, whether useful or accurate.