Letter: Remember these feelings when you vote

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  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Sept. 15, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    If we really cared about separation of children from their parents, we would roll back no-fault divorce laws. In comparison to the harm done to children of divorce, what's been done at the border during the last two or three administrations is but a drop in the bucket.

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    Sept. 13, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    @ECR - Burke, VA

    Like I said, the whole lot of congress is corrupt. Immigration is politized by both houses of congress. There is always a bargining chip, if I give you this then you don't get or if you get that, then I get this, mentality of corrupt polititions with money falling out of their pockets from lobbyists nothing good will come out of it.

    Immigration reform , or anything else good, will ever happen with this bunch of polititions in office.

    Remember to vote them out!

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 13, 2018 8:37 a.m.

    fight4liberty - When you make statements like "This admin offered a path to citizenship for 1.3 million daca kids and the dems refused. Remember this when you vote" it is more fair when you add context to your statement.

    The bill that President Trump offered, after killing the DACA order put into place by President Obama, included a path to citizenship for up to 1.8 million people who entered the country illegally. But it also included:
    - requirements to slash family sponsorship of immigrants and
    - a provision to provide billions of dollars in funding for a border wall with Mexico, you know, the one that President Trump promised would be paid for by Mexico.

    But the Senate tried to pass legislation that did much the same thing with a few modifications. All of the proposals failed to pass in the Senate. It should be noted that one such bill. the Coons-McCain bill would have:
    - Provided a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children
    - Offer no money for the border wall, though it did include some border security measures

    It failed 52 to 47, with Democrats almost united in favor and Republicans mostly voting against it.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 13, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    To "silo" that is nice, but it doesn't prove corruption.

    Turnover rates do not indicate corruption. They indicate either hostile work environments or else people that don't meet their employer's expectations.

    The convictions are bad, but how many in the Obama administration SHOULD have been convicted but were not? I can think of at least 4 that committed serious crimes that were never convicted. Isn't that a more telling sign of corruption, having officials commit crimes but never prosecute? If anything the fact that Trump is convicting them shows that he is LESS corrupt.

    Nepotism? Really? You think that is a sign of corruption? You should work for a small business where the Boss' son gets a job there.

    Clinton and Obama profit from the their security detail too because they are allowed to charge them rent. I don't see you calling them out on charges of corruption.

  • fight4liberty Herriman, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:48 p.m.

    Willam Richter said "When you hug your children tonight, imagine what it would feel like to wonder where they are, if you will ever see them again or if you and your children would ever recover from them being involuntarily separated."

    Would you as a parent send your young child ALONE through Mexico in hopes they will make it to the US? Would you as a parent send your young daughter ( with the morning after pill) with a coyote to the US?

    Would you as a parent take your young children illegally across the US border when you could cross at any of 300+ legal entry crossings, knowing your breaking the law?

    The current administration is using the immigration laws on the books for over 3 decades. In fact the previous admin followed the same laws, separating children from parents, where was your outrage then?

    The immigration system has been politized by both parties, its nothing more than a political bargining chip, in a pay to play corrupt congress and senate. Illegal immigrants are nothing more than political pons, used to create a larger voting base.

    This admin offered a path to citizenship for 1.3 million daca kids and the dems refused.

    Remember this when you vote.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 8:40 p.m.

    @redshirt
    "the Trump administration is no more corrupt or extreme than the Obama administration."

    Literally every measurable, objective data point disagrees with you.

    Trump has had more cabinet and aide turnover in 18 months than Obama+Clinton+Bush had in 24 years, and many of those exiting Trump's cabinet did so after ethical violations.

    Trump has had more associates indicted and convicted in 18 months than Obama+Clinton+Bush had in 24 years.

    Trump has allowed nepotism back into the white house with the appointments of his daughter and son in law

    Trump has willfully refused to divest himself from his businesses while in office, and has personally and through staff members continued to advertise and promote his businesses from the office of the President.

    Trump personally profits from every single vacation he takes to his resorts, through room rent, green fees and cart rentals charged back to the secret service by his resorts.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 4:29 p.m.

    Re: "The United States continues to keep nearly 500 children separated from their parents. "

    Oh, the number is several orders of magnitude higher than that. Every time a miscreant parent is incarcerated, a child is separated from his/her parents.

    The Left wants start with what it perceives as sympathetic illegal aliens, of course, but the twisted, leftist logic inevitably carries us to a single end -- eliminating consequences for lawbreaking.

    In other words, chaos.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Sept. 12, 2018 3:37 p.m.

    I did not vote for Trump.
    Instead -- I voted for a Utah, Mormon, Republican.

    Our fore Fathers foresaw future Tyrants,
    so they wrote into our Constitution
    a system of government requiring 3 separate branches of government,
    meant to provide a check-and-balance on each other.

    What they did not foresee,
    was a Tyrant,
    surrounded by a complicit Congressional branch,
    and quite possibly hand-picking his own sympathetic Judicial branch,
    that would not perform their Constitution duty of that separation of powers and would placate said Tyrant.

    Therefore --
    I play to vote against each and every member of the "party of Trump" up and down this November's ballot to keep things in check!

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 12, 2018 2:32 p.m.

    To "The Educator " the Trump administration is no more corrupt or extreme than the Obama administration. In many ways they are less corrupt because they are under the magnifying glass of the Press. Under Obama the press was complicit and would help cover up things.

    How are Republicans separating families when it was a program started when Clinton was President? Even the pictures that keep going around the internet with kids in cages are from the Obama administration.

    To "FreedomFighter41" if Trump is today's King Noah, that would make Obama one of Noah's Priests.

    To "one old man " and who allowed themselves to be hijacked. The Republicans voted against the ACA. That means everything in the ACA came about because of corruption in the DEMOCRAT party. So again, when voting, remember who gave in to corporate pressures to pass the ACA.

    If you think the ACA didn't go far enough, lets look at it this way. How many insurance premiums will it take to pay the salaries of the government bureaucrats? Currently the government overhead costs are HIGHER than for private insurance.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    If this were the only reason to vote the Republicans out, it would be enough. It's a travesty. But unfortunately, it's just the tip of a very ugly iceberg.

    Tax cuts for the wealthy that balloon the debt.

    Proposed cuts to Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and other programs for the needy to help defray the cost of the tax cuts.

    Denial of global warming even as weather-related disasters multiply and intensify, all so that regulations on polluters can be repealed.

    Sabotage of a flawed but workable ACA without a sensible replacement in sight.

    Wanton trade wars based on untrue rationales.

    Over a dozen investigations into Benghazi, without finding any wrongdoing, but a total lapse in oversight of the most corrupt president in memory (and yes, I remember Nixon).

    Attacks on Robert Mueller, a Republican with impeccable integrity, all to protect that same president from his own disgusting behavior.

    No reform to make gun laws more sensible.

    I could go deeper, but the water is getting pretty cold already.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 2:06 p.m.

    RedShirtHarvard - Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:42 p.m.
    Can we also remember the feeling when you lost your Doctor because of the ACA.

    How about we remember how we felt when premiums for Health Insurance increased because of the ACA.

    Remember how it felt when your insurance went from a HMO to a high deductible plan, yet cost the same.

    ==========

    Except that those of us who have taken some time and effort to learn the truth about what happened know that the Affordable Care Act was literally hijacked by insurance companies (with lots of help from GOP members of Congress). It was only after insurance companies went to work, that our premiums went up.

    Remember, too, that the AVERAGE pay of a health insurance chief executive is right about $66,000 PER DAY !

    How many premiums are needed to cover just one major company exec? And how many other high paid positions exist in each company?

    The problem is NOT in the Affordable Care Act. The problem came because the act didn't go anywhere near far enough. Universal care is the only sensible way.

  • Boberino Farmington, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 1:06 p.m.

    This is nothing but fearmongering. I believe the government is working diligently to secure the border. The system may be far from perfect, but this problem didn’t happen overnight. Families or individuals crossing our border illegally need to be prepared for tough times ahead. A secure border and a better, enforcible policy would fix this problem. It should be a bipartisan effort.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:56 p.m.

    Trump is the modern-day King Noah. What happened to his kingdom? What will happen to us?

    I can't believe so many from the church would support someone so immoral as he. Would you be on the side of Abinadi and Alma? Or on the side of Noah and his priests? I think we're seeing it play out right now as we speak!

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:53 p.m.

    "Big difference between Japanese Americans and illegal alien invaders. "

    Big children and their refugee parents aren't illegal alien invaders.

    This is the type of extremist language that is causing so many to jump the GOP ship and join us. There's no room for compromise or moderates in today's GOP. They're either all pro Trump or "too liberal" for the party.

    Dehumanizing people is the first step towards genocide. We can either learn from history or repeat it.

    Get Educated

  • The Educator South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:47 p.m.

    Amen!

    Me and my family have discussed this at length! We are all voting straight ticket... Democrat!

    This Trump administration is just too extreme, corrupt, and radical. I teach a young group of men in our ward about the importance of having moral leaders and we have had many productive discussions about Donald Trump during Wednesday nights and camp outs. I'm confident that these young men will have learned from our discussions and will vote appropriately here in a few years too. I just don't see how anyone can see what the republicans are doing to divide families, ruin the environment, and enrich the most corrupt and think that they're doing anything praiseworthy.

    Get Educated

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    To "Impartial7" how is it Trump's fault for doing what was started under Clinton, and photographed under Obama? Trump didn't sign the order, he was only doing his job of executing the law.

    How about we keep families locked up together until they can have their hearing or be deported, would that be better? If we really wanted to do it right, we would set up a government office just outside the border and hear their cases there and turn them away if they do not have any merit.

  • RedShirtHarvard Cambridge, MA
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:42 p.m.

    Can we also remember the feeling when you lost your Doctor because of the ACA.

    How about we remember how we felt when premiums for Health Insurance increased because of the ACA.

    Remember how it felt when your insurance went from a HMO to a high deductible plan, yet cost the same.

    Remember how you feel when your spouse comes home form work because there are those that were killed at work by guns given to drug cartels by the the Feds.

    Remember how it feels to hold that newborn, and how there are those fighting to make it easier to kill babies before they are born.

    Remember how it feels to have freedom of speech, and how there are now those on the left fighting to stop you from supporting anything they disagree with.

    Remember how it feels to be able to purchase a vehicle because the push is for cars to cost a lot more.

    Remember how it felt to be able to debate unproven scientific points, now you should fear that you cannot discuss them anymore.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 12:28 p.m.

    @Newsflash;
    "Most of the time, they tried to find a relative already in the country to take the child."

    Not anymore. Not Trump. Now they're put in cages. Many will never see their parents again.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    I am so ashamed of the government for this.

    Immigrants crossing the border are breaking the law, but taking away someone's children is inhumane. This is wrong and we all know it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:54 a.m.

    An absolutely excellent letter. Thank you.

  • NewsFlash Kearns, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:52 a.m.

    Just so we are clear about why children are separated:
    the 1997 Flores settlement to a class-action lawsuit from the 1980s surrounding the “detention and release” of minors taken into custody by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). The settlement demands the release of children to their parents, relatives, etc. without unnecessary delay. If this placement is unavailable — e.g., if the child’s parent is a threat to them or is placed in criminal proceedings, or the supposed parent is only posing as one — the government must put the child in the “least restrictive” accommodations that are appropriate for their needs.

    Most of the time, they tried to find a relative already in the country to take the child.

  • NewsFlash Kearns, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 11:38 a.m.

    William (Letter Writer) -"When you hug your children tonight, imagine what it would feel like to wonder where they are, if you will ever see them again or if you and your children would ever recover from them being involuntarily separated."

    So we are comparing apples to apples here: As you tuck in your young children at night, and you wonder if you will ever see them again, because while they are sleeping you are out doing something "illegal" like robbing a store.

    You see, Trump didn't separate those children, the parents did because they did something illegal (entering the country illegally). You mentioned all our fore fathers coming to this country earlier. At first, most of the immigrants did not volunteer, they were forced by the government to leave. Then later they came to this country going through the legal process.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:49 a.m.

    "involuntarily separated."?

    If you commit a crime - that was voluntary - and you go to jail -separate from your children

    The initial inflammatory photos used to criticize the Trump administration, were actually taken during the Obama administration (who set policies that resulted in massive waves of unaccompanied minors at the border)

    So yea - I will remember in November

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Well said Karen R. Bob Woodward's book is called 'Fear'. It's a title taken from something Trump said in a 2016 interview with Woodward and Washington Post reporter Robert Costa:

    "Real power is through respect," Trump said. "Real power is, I don't even want to use the word: 'Fear.'"

    That is the motivation behind the cruel policy of separation. That is the tactic used by this administration. They know nothing about love and the power it can command.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    Thanks for helping keep this issue alive. The fact that Trump, Sessions, Miller, etc. thought mass sep. of families was a great idea & acceptable to Americans tells you a lot abt their characters. But their plan now--keeping families "incarcerated" together indefinitely--isn't much better. Are we going to tolerate infants & toddlers being kept in prison for yrs, simply because their parents came here seeking relief from life-threatening violence & poverty?

    Trump has the power to make handling imm. claims a more humane process, by funding more imm. judges to help speed up the waiting period, & by making it a policy to issue ankle monitors & release families after initial intake.

    Both of these are cheaper alternatives for taxpayers than paying to incarcerate thousands of immigrants in facilities acceptable for holding children, while waiting for their day in court--which frequently takes several yrs, due to lack of adequate # of judges & resulting backlog of cases.

    But Trump & cohorts have made the inhumane choices for a reason--as a deterence to keep these unfortunate souls from "infesting" our country (Trump's word).

    Now he's taking money from FEMA to fund his ICE policies.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    @Gretschman - Draper, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 9:40 a.m.
    @impartial7-
    Big difference between Japanese Americans and illegal alien invaders."

    Yeah, but we put American citizens in relocation camps. I'm not for illegal alien invaders. I'm saying taking away their kids, many never to be reunited , is barbaric. Just like forced internment for Americans based on their race. Both are judged harshly.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 9:49 a.m.

    There was a time when people would say : "stay within the law". That sentiment is not so popular, anymore, it seems. People entering this country legally do not have this problem. And the situation is more complicated than has been stated by the writer. Besides, the policy has been discontinued; and complications are uncovered in the process, when in some cases parents are not to be found Question : who really separated the children from their family in these cases ? And was this happening before the policy was enforced ?

  • Gretschman Draper, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    @impartial7-

    Big difference between Japanese Americans and illegal alien invaders.

    Why do the democrats have such an appetite for unfettered illegal immigration? Separating at the border is not a new policy. Stop pretending that it is.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    The Japanese-American internment camps, one was in Utah, are a stain on American history and a shameful action. Trump's separating kid's from parents will be looked upon with equal disdain. As will the GOP politicians that stood by and did nothing.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Sept. 12, 2018 7:28 a.m.

    I wonder if any person that possesses a heart can not understand the anguish and torture that the children and parents of those separated by Our Government must feel.

    In Our Name, the administration has chosen to adopt an inhumane and UnConstitutional action. In Fact, are planning to expand the current facility to hold Seven Times the number of potential Victims of president trump's Demands currently in custody.

    This is Unconscionable. Only the most Hard Hearted on the planet don't get that.

    Shame on the Nation for what is done In Our Name. Shame on Us, indeed.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 5:47 a.m.

    What an amazing letter. Thanks for putting it in terms that even Trump supporters can not twist around.

    There is truth in what is happening to this country. Sad the legacy that we are leaving to our children, and future generations.

    However this is a good lesson in what not to do to your fellow human beings. You know, Gods' children and all of our brothers and sisters. The separation of children ordered by the GOP, Sessions and Trump is one of the biggest human tragedies we have witnessed in this country.

    Remember this when you vote. And remember those who have, with cowardice turned away from what they said in the first place about Trump. Shows a lack of courage.

    Party over country, party over morality. Money in their pockets over the well being of those less fortunate. Not hard to see who those people are.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Sept. 12, 2018 5:09 a.m.

    The zero tolerance policy is the work of fear, tribalism, and lack of compassion. Vote these people OUT.