Republicans lack votes — and appetite — to end 'Obamacare'

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  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:01 p.m.

    Mcclark. Emergency rooms at every hospital makes your narative false.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:51 p.m.

    Not treating sick people is a good way to make sure more people die.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:34 p.m.

    Marxist: As an economist, you must know that the best medical care in the world (free of not) does not prevent people from dying! As far as people with pre-existing condition, that's NOT why Obamacare failed. It failed for all the reasons I mentioned earlier.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:30 a.m.

    @Thid
    Much of what you state is correct. For all Americans to be covered, the risk pool needs to include everybody, with everybody paying in, and limiting the profits that insurance companies and health care providers can make. Right now we have to many people wanting something for nothing. All of us probably know family members or friends who contribute little but take a lot from the system. I have in laws like this and they continuously vote Republican, believing they are entitled but others that don't look like, or believe like them are not. For all Americans to have access to health care, all need to contribute and right now that is not happening.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    @Thid "Nothing is free; someone pays. To pretend otherwise was folly. Those forces combined to spike the costs of care, and thus insurance costs for millions. "

    Speaking as an economist I darned well know nothing is free. Somebody always pays. But the ACA mandates people with pre-existing conditions must be able to get insurance. Yes this has increased costs - sometimes big time.

    Obviously your "solution" is to let those with serious pre-existing conditions DIE! How very Christian of you!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:57 a.m.

    Where's the "better, cheaper heath care from Day One"?
    The GOP, led by our own Orrin Hatch, promised us, for 8 years, that they had a better ACA replacement. Where is it? Turns out they lied.

  • CMO Beaver Beaver, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:39 a.m.

    A True Patriot

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:50 a.m.

    Obamacare failed because insurance is based on risk pools- that is, the lucky subsidize the unlucky. The unlucky who have big health problems (and big medical bills) reap much greater benefits than those who remain healthy and out of the doctors' office. Health care is about supply and demand: People who get coverage use it, especially if the law mandates free preventive care. Iron law of economics: Nothing is free; someone pays. To pretend otherwise was folly. Those forces combined to spike the costs of care, and thus insurance costs for millions. Obamacare failed because too many carriers simply can't cover expenses, let alone turn a profit, in this rigidly controlled system-in other words too many carriers paid out too much and took in took in too little! That's why a large number of carriers got out! Obamacare failed because it flunked Economics 101 and Human Nature 101.

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:36 a.m.

    @unrepentant: "when people realize that they have been snookered by a false promise, then another tidal wave of disgust will engulf the country."

    That's WHY Trump was elected.

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:28 a.m.

    The ACA is pretty much dead already, so why go through the political machinations of officially repealing it right now when the timing is bad? The massive insurance company subsidies have been stopped, which has done more to stabilize premiums than any other significant reform, and the individual mandate is gone along with other changes. So what is the point of this article? The ACA, for all intents and purposes, is not remotely the same as when it originally passed, and that's a good thing. Officially ending it would be even better, but that will come in time.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:35 a.m.

    I would double-dog dare the party of trump, currently in charge of all facets of the government, to end 'Obamacare'.

    IMHO, it would be the final nail in the coffin of the party of trump and be a permanent end to the gerrymandered hegemony this political philosophy has over the country. When people are denied coverage, when poor people lose any kind of coverage, when employers stop carrying employee coverage (or make it lean gruel, anyway), and when people realize that they have been snookered by a false promise, then another tidal wave of disgust will engulf the country. Even Utah might rebel.

    So, go ahead party of trump. Try it and reap the whirlwind.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:19 a.m.

    This was right up there with Mexico paying for wall.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:01 a.m.

    Lost in the circus raging at the Trump White House, conservatives passively let healthcare reform wither on the vine, allowing junk insurance schemes to emerge, enriching health insurance companies, while really not covering much.

    (And then we'll see more hand wringing on the dropping birthrate, as young adults lack the optimism to start or grow families.)