Doctors, residents concerned over gravel pit proposal at Point of the Mountain

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  • CarrieS Provo, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    Most of Utah's population lives in a narrow strip along the Wasatch front. We should be protecting this region and making it a healthy place to live.

  • jjarseneau Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:39 p.m.

    I only ask 2 things from mother earth by my coming into this world. I want clean air and clean water. She does her part but the greed of others is taking this away from me.

    Please look up "tragedy of the commons" on Wikipedia to better understand how Geneva is passing their costs on to the health of the common people - for their gain. They need to take responsibility. Corporate managers - even very smart and well meaning managers - will deceive themselves if they are paid to do so. This is a well established axiom that is true for all people.

  • WJDad West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    @impartial7

    Did you not expect the mine to grow? That's what mines do. What amazes me is that the land was ever designated for anything other than the gravel pit. Blame the city council of a decade ago that made that error. Not the people today.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:35 a.m.

    Sorry citizens. If you had only paid more 'donations' then perhaps the Draper council could have considered not giving their real 'donors' exactly what they wanted at every turn. They know you will re-elect them anyway, no matter what they do.

    Our campaign finance system is legalized bribery.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    @Frank Walters - Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:21 a.m.
    Sand and gravel have been mined there for much longer than my lifetime. The fact that houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect the land holders' ability to continue the established land use."

    Again. You misunderstand the issue. The "established land use" is farmland. Geneva wants Draper to rezone current agriculture zoned land to mining land. This is wrong. Houses built and sold as next to farmland, now face the possibility of their farmland neighborhood being turned into a mine. It's like buying a home on a golf course and 10 years later the city rezones that golf course to become an airstrip. Geneva is well connected and our politicians need to ignore their influence and money and do what is right for the citizens.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:58 a.m.

    @Frank Walters "Sand and gravel have been mined there for much longer than my lifetime. The fact that houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect the land holders' ability to continue the established land use."

    But there must be effective regulations on fugitive dust emissions. There are presently NONE.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    Let's think about this rationally. A gravel mining operation is not like a factory or a shopping mall. They have to be where the gravel is located. The point of the mountain is the tip of a giant prehistoric delta made from sand and gravel deposition. Utah is lucky to have this natural resource.

    If you want to build anything with concrete (including those tech companies or the driveways and foundations of those draper homes) you will need sand and gravel. As we continue to grow, we will need to mine more of the mountain. Draper never should have zoned that area residential. But now that it's water under the bridge, people will have to find a way to live with it.

    Side note - Geologists warned Draper and Lehi a couple decades ago that Traverse Mountain is unstable and prone to landslides. Some say it is one of the largest terrestrial landslide blocks in the world. What happens to a pile of sand and gravel when you start shaking it?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    I will believe Dr. Moench and his progressive hype when he removes all concrete from his home and office, removes all copper from his home and office, and quits travelling on streets paved with sand and gravel from these pits. The doctor is like every elitist progressive demanding the serfs are relegated back to the dark ages by causing exorbitant costs for everyday living.

    Yes air is improved but destroy the infrastructure so those who are sick can't get to a medical facility. Dr. Moench doesn't care about increased costs to live, he just charges his patients more.

  • Frank Walters Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:21 a.m.

    Sand and gravel have been mined there for much longer than my lifetime. The fact that houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect the land holders' ability to continue the established land use.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    The gravel Pitt has been there a long time, and as long as I can remember it has been ugly and dusty. This is how it works in Utah, if there is a hillside, then tear it up with a bulldozer.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:07 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin;
    "Look, I don't like the mine or the dust, but I'm sick of the nimbies crying about things like this. The mine was there first! Nobody forced you to build/buy next to it. This is like when people buy houses by the airport and then sue the city because it's noisy."

    Do you understand the issue here? The issue is that Geneva wants the city council to rezone agricultural designated land to mining land. The people that bought homes near zoned farmland, will now be living near an active mine. They didn't buy a home next to a mine, they bought a home next to farmland. See the difference between this and buying a home by the airport?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    @KrankyFrank

    "I wondered how the owners of the homes on the NW side must feel"

    I don't know, but they should feel like "hey, maybe it was a bad idea to buy this McMansion that's right next to a gravel mine."

    Look, I don't like the mine or the dust, but I'm sick of the nimbies crying about things like this. The mine was there first! Nobody forced you to build/buy next to it. This is like when people buy houses by the airport and then sue the city because it's noisy.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:37 a.m.

    It doesn't matter what the residents (and constituents) want. Doesn't matter what the doctors say. What matters is which politicians receive "donations". Your health, your kid's health, your parents health doesn't matter to our developer, builder, realtor, contractor laden Utah government. Best managed State.

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:05 a.m.

    Overblown hype - the fear factor at work in our media again. We need gravel pits near major metro areas to keep building costs mitigated. Moving pits to rural areas greatly increases cost to haul materials.

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:30 a.m.

    Air pollution or no, it’s time for Geneva to find a mountain in a more rural area to mine. It doesn’t fit there any longer.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 4:20 a.m.

    Hey Draper

    Vote!

    And when u do ... remember who voted yes on this ....

  • zgomer Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 3:43 a.m.

    The gravel pit has been there for many years, now it is an issue? Give me a break!

  • KrankyFrank Draper, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 1:35 a.m.

    I was recently riding my bike on the frontage road just North of the freeway. The dust in the air, was amazing, you could barely see. I wondered how the owners of the homes on the NW side” must feel.

    They must have sand through-out their homes, and areas where their children play. If I’m reading the map correctly, the acres are located on the South side of the freeway?

    On the day I passed, (8/7/18, visibility was poor. The air was filled with dust, don’t believe I’ve ever seen it so heavy. I’ve also wondered if the continual “beating of the ground” by heavy machinery will, over time, impact the structural integrity of the homes on the hill. I foresee them “sliding off the mountain, or the very least, have cracking of sidewalks, foundations, windows and the like.

    I think this is a bad idea, the area should be left alone. The damage done to the mtn should be cleaned up by Geneva Rock and other companies digging sand. As you come to the area, headed to Silicon Slopes, what a blight it has become. This will only make it worse.

    This is Draper, however, 2 counties are involved. Someone (State?) needs to preserve the rights of those companies investing in Silicon Slopes.

  • Sirbobg Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:16 p.m.

    This is a very real concern. The particulate matter discussed has been shown in numerous publications to directly impact cardiopulmonary health, cognitive function, and several cancers. People need to speak up about this because interested parties will do all they can to get you to scoff at the danger. They do not have your best interests in mind, only money.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2018 9:58 p.m.

    Sounds like a bunch of grossly exaggerated hyperbole to me.