Most of Utah's population lives in a narrow strip along the Wasatch front.
We should be protecting this region and making it a healthy place to live.
I only ask 2 things from mother earth by my coming into this world. I want clean
air and clean water. She does her part but the greed of others is taking this
away from me. Please look up "tragedy of the commons" on
Wikipedia to better understand how Geneva is passing their costs on to the
health of the common people - for their gain. They need to take responsibility.
Corporate managers - even very smart and well meaning managers - will deceive
themselves if they are paid to do so. This is a well established axiom that is
true for all people.
@impartial7Did you not expect the mine to grow? That's what
mines do. What amazes me is that the land was ever designated for anything other
than the gravel pit. Blame the city council of a decade ago that made that
error. Not the people today.
Sorry citizens. If you had only paid more 'donations' then perhaps the
Draper council could have considered not giving their real 'donors'
exactly what they wanted at every turn. They know you will re-elect them anyway,
no matter what they do. Our campaign finance system is legalized
@Frank Walters - Salt Lake City, UTSept. 11, 2018 9:21 a.m.Sand and
gravel have been mined there for much longer than my lifetime. The fact that
houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect the land holders'
ability to continue the established land use."Again. You
misunderstand the issue. The "established land use" is farmland. Geneva
wants Draper to rezone current agriculture zoned land to mining land. This is
wrong. Houses built and sold as next to farmland, now face the possibility of
their farmland neighborhood being turned into a mine. It's like buying a
home on a golf course and 10 years later the city rezones that golf course to
become an airstrip. Geneva is well connected and our politicians need to ignore
their influence and money and do what is right for the citizens.
@Frank Walters "Sand and gravel have been mined there for much longer than
my lifetime. The fact that houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect
the land holders' ability to continue the established land use."But there must be effective regulations on fugitive dust emissions.
There are presently NONE.
Let's think about this rationally. A gravel mining operation is not like a
factory or a shopping mall. They have to be where the gravel is located. The
point of the mountain is the tip of a giant prehistoric delta made from sand and
gravel deposition. Utah is lucky to have this natural resource.If
you want to build anything with concrete (including those tech companies or the
driveways and foundations of those draper homes) you will need sand and gravel.
As we continue to grow, we will need to mine more of the mountain. Draper never
should have zoned that area residential. But now that it's water under the
bridge, people will have to find a way to live with it. Side note -
Geologists warned Draper and Lehi a couple decades ago that Traverse Mountain is
unstable and prone to landslides. Some say it is one of the largest terrestrial
landslide blocks in the world. What happens to a pile of sand and gravel when
you start shaking it?
I will believe Dr. Moench and his progressive hype when he removes all concrete
from his home and office, removes all copper from his home and office, and quits
travelling on streets paved with sand and gravel from these pits. The doctor is
like every elitist progressive demanding the serfs are relegated back to the
dark ages by causing exorbitant costs for everyday living. Yes air
is improved but destroy the infrastructure so those who are sick can't get
to a medical facility. Dr. Moench doesn't care about increased costs to
live, he just charges his patients more.
Sand and gravel have been mined there for much longer than my lifetime. The
fact that houses have encroached on it shouldn't affect the land
holders' ability to continue the established land use.
The gravel Pitt has been there a long time, and as long as I can remember it has
been ugly and dusty. This is how it works in Utah, if there is a hillside, then
tear it up with a bulldozer.
@Brave Sir Robin;"Look, I don't like the mine or the dust, but
I'm sick of the nimbies crying about things like this. The mine was there
first! Nobody forced you to build/buy next to it. This is like when people buy
houses by the airport and then sue the city because it's noisy."Do you understand the issue here? The issue is that Geneva wants the
city council to rezone agricultural designated land to mining land. The people
that bought homes near zoned farmland, will now be living near an active mine.
They didn't buy a home next to a mine, they bought a home next to farmland.
See the difference between this and buying a home by the airport?
@KrankyFrank"I wondered how the owners of the homes on the NW
side must feel"I don't know, but they should feel like
"hey, maybe it was a bad idea to buy this McMansion that's right next
to a gravel mine."Look, I don't like the mine or the dust,
but I'm sick of the nimbies crying about things like this. The mine was
there first! Nobody forced you to build/buy next to it. This is like when people
buy houses by the airport and then sue the city because it's noisy.
It doesn't matter what the residents (and constituents) want. Doesn't
matter what the doctors say. What matters is which politicians receive
"donations". Your health, your kid's health, your parents health
doesn't matter to our developer, builder, realtor, contractor laden Utah
government. Best managed State.
Overblown hype - the fear factor at work in our media again. We need gravel pits
near major metro areas to keep building costs mitigated. Moving pits to rural
areas greatly increases cost to haul materials.
Air pollution or no, it’s time for Geneva to find a mountain in a more
rural area to mine. It doesn’t fit there any longer.
Hey DraperVote!And when u do ... remember who voted yes
on this ....
The gravel pit has been there for many years, now it is an issue? Give me a
I was recently riding my bike on the frontage road just North of the freeway.
The dust in the air, was amazing, you could barely see. I wondered how the
owners of the homes on the NW side” must feel.They must have
sand through-out their homes, and areas where their children play. If I’m
reading the map correctly, the acres are located on the South side of the
freeway?On the day I passed, (8/7/18, visibility was poor. The air
was filled with dust, don’t believe I’ve ever seen it so heavy.
I’ve also wondered if the continual “beating of the ground” by
heavy machinery will, over time, impact the structural integrity of the homes on
the hill. I foresee them “sliding off the mountain, or the very least,
have cracking of sidewalks, foundations, windows and the like.I
think this is a bad idea, the area should be left alone. The damage done to the
mtn should be cleaned up by Geneva Rock and other companies digging sand. As
you come to the area, headed to Silicon Slopes, what a blight it has become.
This will only make it worse.This is Draper, however, 2 counties are
involved. Someone (State?) needs to preserve the rights of those companies
investing in Silicon Slopes.
This is a very real concern. The particulate matter discussed has been shown in
numerous publications to directly impact cardiopulmonary health, cognitive
function, and several cancers. People need to speak up about this because
interested parties will do all they can to get you to scoff at the danger. They
do not have your best interests in mind, only money.
Sounds like a bunch of grossly exaggerated hyperbole to me.