BYU head coach Kalani Sitake evaluating Tanner Mangum — and all players — after loss to Cal

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  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Sept. 12, 2018 8:11 p.m.

    The Good

    1. Tanner is very accurate
    2. The defense
    3. Run game -coaching/execution

    The Bad

    1. Coaching on long/intermediate routes. Very unimaginative, almost no intermediate diagonal cuts. Everything a hook route.
    2. Tanner not staying in pocket while it is intact. Interception ensued.
    3. Recievers not looking up for outlet. Run their route then look up. They need to keep an eye on quarterback more. They can invent if needed.
    4. No mixture of long and short routes. Coaching problem.
    5. Tanner holding ball too long-even when having open recievers
    6. Reciever running backwards

    The Ugly
    1. Tanner telegraphs like none other. See's only half the field most of the time. Wide open recievers waving their arms to try and attract his attention. Defenses can key in on this and overload the side he is favoring. Wisconsin will know this. Keep his head centered on the middle of the field. Read the whole field doggonit!!!
    2. Dropped passes constantly. If they can not hold on, put others in. No excuses. Earn their way back on field.

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Sept. 12, 2018 4:57 p.m.

    Coach Kalani - if you get involved in the O side of the game you will own it 100%. Maybe you can drive the team on both sides of the ball, but a HC is not a direct line coach. Let you staff coach and get out of the way!

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    Sept. 12, 2018 3:04 p.m.

    Stayed up late to watch the BYUTV replay. Couldn't stay awake to see the whole thing....but in the first half alone I saw enough to know that was a winnable game. But the Cougs let it slip away.

    They moved the ball consistently until they got past midfield. Then they'd drop a pass or muff a blocking assignment a couple of downs in a row & have to give the ball back to Cal. I was especially bummed to see Tanner hit Collie in the hands from 40 yards away, only to have Collie drop it as Cal's safety closed in. Pull in those catchable balls or go home, I say.

    If they fix those drive-stalling problems then they start winning some more games. Kalani - evaluate away!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:55 a.m.

    I agree with London Josh 100%! We Utes have tons to worry about in PAC play.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 12, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    "... and a new moniker, 9 in a row!"

    Well, it's 7 now, and that's interesting that your moniker is all about BYU, obsessed much?

    How's that PAC membership going for you? Did you realize that Utah plays other games?

  • 8 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:30 p.m.

    I just hope BYU has their best QB on the field come November.

    No excuses

    No moral victories

    No margin of defeat victories

    Just scoreboard... and a new moniker, 9 in a row!

  • nananana batman saint george, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:32 p.m.

    Why didn't we keep sqwally in the short 3rd down and then 4th attempts ? Seems like that first drive being stopped killed all momentum.
    But BYU beats Wisconsin this week! Get your ginger ale ready !

  • Daddyute Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 5:42 p.m.

    As a Ute fan I don't really care what happens, I blame the media for hyping up story lines for their own interests. I do think this team is nothing like last years team, yes they beat an awful Az team but from what I have seen they play hard and seem to be executing. Mangum is nowhere near the problem, the lack of running game is THE problem, the freshman that didnt have any p5 offers is not the answer, nor is a coaching change, byU is lucky to have Kalani. Get a running game and watch the wins pile up.
    Pump the brakes cougar fan, its a long season and this team is much improved, I see 6-6 but i also see 8 in a row.
    Best of luck and ease off mangum, he isn't the problem.

    Go Utes

  • Mkithpen Sandy, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 5:16 p.m.

    Kalani - you hired a no nonsense OC. It's time to let him get dirty and make it happen. Don't tinker with the offence or the O personnel. Confidently stand behind your new OC and don't get jittery. Now is when you need to show your Head Coaching timber. Stay out of it and be supportive even if BYU fans don't like what he does with changes or the intensity with which he implements his plans. Let your coaches teach and drive the players. You need to lead by showing confidence in your newly minted staff and support their efforts and not subvert their efforts. Improvement that evolves into wins trumps verbiage all day long.

    At some point, trust has to be given in advance of immediate results to your staff in support of the greater cause. Show the players that you trust the coaching staff so that they will too. These are the actions that need to be taken, not tinkering with the O side of the ball. If you do meddle with the offence then by all means to not tell the press or let the players see you doing it. Once you do the avalanche of discouragement, lack of trust and defeatism will quickly fall from Mount Timp onto the field at LES and throughout Cougar Nation.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 2:50 p.m.

    @jmac77 - It doesn't matter who they start at quarterback. If they start Mangum 4-8, if they start Wilson 4-8. Until the BYU administration evaluates the coach and makes a change, the Cougs will continue to be in a long drawn out death spiral. It will be interesting if a 3-0 McNeese State comes in and beats the Cougs on their home field. That may force an evaluation.

  • jmac77 West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    Coming from a Ute fan, I will speak objectively as one who enjoys football. I personally think Mangum has long lost whatever spark he once had. He's nothing like the QB he was in 2015. However, to win now, he's probably a better option than a true freshman in Wilson.

    Ordinarily, though, I would say go with Wilson because he has more upside, and it would be a good way to build for the future. He'll get eaten alive by Wisconsin, Washington and Boise St. coming up and by Utah at the end of the year, but he would get valuable experience and would accelerate BYU's rebuilding process. BYU wouldn't win right away with him, but next year and beyond could be better.

    The problem is, Sitake can't afford to lose a bunch of games this season. No matter whom BYU starts, they're not beating Wisconsin, Washington, Boise or Utah (notwithstanding the Utes' less-than-stellar showing so far). But Mangum probably gives BYU a better shot of beating Utah St. and Northern Illinois. You start Mangum, and you might go 6-6. Start Wilson, you're preparing better for next year, but you're more likely to go 5-7 or possibly 4-8.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 11, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    @ USAlover,

    What is your point sir? How does Alabama relate to BYU?

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:22 p.m.

    When CAL played UNC, they started QB Ross Bowers and they struggled. Bowers was benched when CAL showed up at BYU. Garbers and McIlwain ate BYU alive. The CAL head coach made adjustments at halftime and BYU did nothing. Squally? Now, BYU will face real teams.......oh my?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    Alabama benched a QB who was 17-0 in a National Championship game and went with a true freshman. Nick Saban answers to no one. If he had played Hurts one more series, Alabama would have lost that game.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:33 a.m.

    @ DP3,

    There are no changes that will help BYU. They just don't have the players or coaches.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 11, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    CAL shut-down BYU effortlessly in the second half playing man D. Did the faithful Y fans see and realize the speed and depth of CAL's defense?????? Did ya? Yeah, BYU scored their usual, a garbage time TD in the last minute to make it seem close........the CAL DBs were playing 20 yards off the line...........easy W for CAL. Did y'all notice how quiet LES was?

  • DP3 MSC, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    I really want this coaching staff to succeed, but until Coach Sitake is willing to make the hard decisions he will not last after this year. He's worried more about not affecting the confidence of a struggling QB instead of the team results. Clearly Wilson should have been put in. It wasn't all on Mangum for sure, but the team was struggling and they needed something jump start them. If nothing else, a little more of a mobile QB back there would have offered an additional arrow in the quiver for the offense to get those few yards they kept struggling to get on 3rd downs.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    I think BYU should sell LES to UVU. They will be putting together a football team in the next few years. BYU played against obscure state schools in the once unpopulated western states and enjoyed "glory" in the old WAC. Times have changed.........the Y needs to try and see if the Big Sky Conference will take them, or sell LES to UVU if that isn't possible......?

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:43 a.m.

    NewsFlash: "He will hold those players accountable for the dropped passes,..."

    Then what? Not many options, if any, when there's no depth.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    “Last week Grimes called a fantastic game but this week it was like Anae was back on the sidelines.“

    Pretty simple—Week 1 against a complete joke of a D 3 years running & Week 2 against a decent D.

  • NewsFlash Kearns, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:21 a.m.

    Grimes is a hard nose, no nonsense type of coach.

    I have had friends who played for Grimes the first time he was at BYU. Grimes will not accept players not playing well.

    He will hold those players accountable for the dropped passes, if Mangum did somethings wrong, he will be held accountable (Which could be losing his starting position).

    That is the big difference between Ty's offense and Grimes offense "Accountability".

  • Originalflyinhawaiian Yakima, WA
    Sept. 11, 2018 7:54 a.m.

    I would like to know who’s reviewing the coaching staff? We got seriously outcoached. It’s fine for Sataki to review each player but what about the staff. Last week Grimes called a fantastic game but this week it was like Anae was back on the sidelines. Maybe the problem wasn’t Detmer?

  • CountryCoug Parker, CO
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:42 a.m.

    Tanner seems to have lost a step. Wide open lanes only turn into a couple of yards. Not good under pressure. Worth giving another person a chance including Hall. First downs never seemed so hard, but that was last year too.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 5:04 a.m.

    It is Mangum or a true freshman

    He is between a rock and a hard place because the skill players don’t have the skills

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 11, 2018 2:01 a.m.

    Mangum is not the reason we lost to Cal. He is a big part of the reason we were able to beat AZ. His supposed "limited mobility" is overstated by many. Not yet time to pull him for Wilson. Wilson likely will have three years as a starting QB for BYU but none of the QBs can catch the ball for the receivers (read -- dropped passes).

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    Sept. 11, 2018 1:25 a.m.

    Cal did not play a backup QB. For whatever reason, they named 3 starters and rotate them as needed in various situations. All 3 played in their first game.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:49 p.m.

    He's right, it's not just one player. The entire "offense" plays like last year.

  • Osgrath Cedar Hills - Utah, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:47 p.m.

    It would be nice if a dual-threat quarterback were always more effective than just a passer, but what matters most is the overall effectiveness of the QB. I mean, how often do we ever see Tom Brady take off and run downfield? Jim McMahon got the job done but was not a great scrambler. If Wilson is a better team leader than Mangum, he should start, but we lay-people don't have a whole lot of data and evidence either way. I know that Sitake has every motivation to start the better player, and Grimes has no more personal experience with one over the other, so no cause for bias.

    Salty opinions notwithstanding, we can be assured that the coaching staff has a better finger on the pulse of the team than the fan base.

  • SpÄter73 Hughson, CA
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:44 p.m.

    Not trying to bag on KS but this is sounding a lot like last year already. Let’s mix things up, try something different. Getting rid of Ty Detmer doesn’t seem to have made a difference considering how horrible AZ actually appears to be. We barely beat them.

    Please don’t go all season without trying someone different at QB. With all the accountability “talk” it would be nice to actually see some action. Mangum should have been pulled after first half. He’s a nice enough guy but we want more numbers in the win column this year.

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 8:26 p.m.

    I like Coach Sitake but he could learn from the Cal coaches who were willing to try the backup quarterback when the starter wasn't as effective. That made a big difference in the game. BYU's defense struggled against the backup because he was a dual threat. Mangum isn't nearly as mobile and wasn't a threat when scrambling under pressure.