The Good1. Tanner is very accurate2. The defense3. Run
game -coaching/executionThe Bad1. Coaching on
long/intermediate routes. Very unimaginative, almost no intermediate diagonal
cuts. Everything a hook route.2. Tanner not staying in pocket while it is
intact. Interception ensued. 3. Recievers not looking up for outlet.
Run their route then look up. They need to keep an eye on quarterback more.
They can invent if needed. 4. No mixture of long and short routes.
Coaching problem.5. Tanner holding ball too long-even when having open
recievers6. Reciever running backwardsThe Ugly1. Tanner
telegraphs like none other. See's only half the field most of the time.
Wide open recievers waving their arms to try and attract his attention.
Defenses can key in on this and overload the side he is favoring. Wisconsin
will know this. Keep his head centered on the middle of the field. Read the
whole field doggonit!!!2. Dropped passes constantly. If they can not
hold on, put others in. No excuses. Earn their way back on field.
Coach Kalani - if you get involved in the O side of the game you will own it
100%. Maybe you can drive the team on both sides of the ball, but a HC is not a
direct line coach. Let you staff coach and get out of the way!
Stayed up late to watch the BYUTV replay. Couldn't stay awake to see the
whole thing....but in the first half alone I saw enough to know that was a
winnable game. But the Cougs let it slip away.They moved the ball
consistently until they got past midfield. Then they'd drop a pass or muff
a blocking assignment a couple of downs in a row & have to give the ball
back to Cal. I was especially bummed to see Tanner hit Collie in the hands from
40 yards away, only to have Collie drop it as Cal's safety closed in. Pull
in those catchable balls or go home, I say.If they fix those
drive-stalling problems then they start winning some more games. Kalani -
I agree with London Josh 100%! We Utes have tons to worry about in PAC play.
"... and a new moniker, 9 in a row!"Well, it's 7 now,
and that's interesting that your moniker is all about BYU, obsessed much?
How's that PAC membership going for you? Did you realize that
Utah plays other games?
I just hope BYU has their best QB on the field come November. No
excuses No moral victories No margin of defeat victories
Just scoreboard... and a new moniker, 9 in a row!
Why didn't we keep sqwally in the short 3rd down and then 4th attempts ?
Seems like that first drive being stopped killed all momentum. But BYU
beats Wisconsin this week! Get your ginger ale ready !
As a Ute fan I don't really care what happens, I blame the media for hyping
up story lines for their own interests. I do think this team is nothing like
last years team, yes they beat an awful Az team but from what I have seen they
play hard and seem to be executing. Mangum is nowhere near the problem, the lack
of running game is THE problem, the freshman that didnt have any p5 offers is
not the answer, nor is a coaching change, byU is lucky to have Kalani. Get a
running game and watch the wins pile up.Pump the brakes cougar fan, its a
long season and this team is much improved, I see 6-6 but i also see 8 in a
row.Best of luck and ease off mangum, he isn't the problem.Go Utes
Kalani - you hired a no nonsense OC. It's time to let him get dirty and
make it happen. Don't tinker with the offence or the O personnel.
Confidently stand behind your new OC and don't get jittery. Now is when
you need to show your Head Coaching timber. Stay out of it and be supportive
even if BYU fans don't like what he does with changes or the intensity
with which he implements his plans. Let your coaches teach and drive the
players. You need to lead by showing confidence in your newly minted staff and
support their efforts and not subvert their efforts. Improvement that evolves
into wins trumps verbiage all day long. At some point, trust has to
be given in advance of immediate results to your staff in support of the greater
cause. Show the players that you trust the coaching staff so that they will too.
These are the actions that need to be taken, not tinkering with the O side of
the ball. If you do meddle with the offence then by all means to not tell the
press or let the players see you doing it. Once you do the avalanche of
discouragement, lack of trust and defeatism will quickly fall from Mount Timp
onto the field at LES and throughout Cougar Nation.
@jmac77 - It doesn't matter who they start at quarterback. If they start
Mangum 4-8, if they start Wilson 4-8. Until the BYU administration evaluates the
coach and makes a change, the Cougs will continue to be in a long drawn out
death spiral. It will be interesting if a 3-0 McNeese State comes in and beats
the Cougs on their home field. That may force an evaluation.
Coming from a Ute fan, I will speak objectively as one who enjoys football. I
personally think Mangum has long lost whatever spark he once had. He's
nothing like the QB he was in 2015. However, to win now, he's probably a
better option than a true freshman in Wilson.Ordinarily, though, I
would say go with Wilson because he has more upside, and it would be a good way
to build for the future. He'll get eaten alive by Wisconsin, Washington and
Boise St. coming up and by Utah at the end of the year, but he would get
valuable experience and would accelerate BYU's rebuilding process. BYU
wouldn't win right away with him, but next year and beyond could be
better.The problem is, Sitake can't afford to lose a bunch of
games this season. No matter whom BYU starts, they're not beating
Wisconsin, Washington, Boise or Utah (notwithstanding the Utes'
less-than-stellar showing so far). But Mangum probably gives BYU a better shot
of beating Utah St. and Northern Illinois. You start Mangum, and you might go
6-6. Start Wilson, you're preparing better for next year, but you're
more likely to go 5-7 or possibly 4-8.
@ USAlover,What is your point sir? How does Alabama relate to BYU?
When CAL played UNC, they started QB Ross Bowers and they struggled. Bowers was
benched when CAL showed up at BYU. Garbers and McIlwain ate BYU alive. The CAL
head coach made adjustments at halftime and BYU did nothing. Squally? Now, BYU
will face real teams.......oh my?
Alabama benched a QB who was 17-0 in a National Championship game and went with
a true freshman. Nick Saban answers to no one. If he had played Hurts one more
series, Alabama would have lost that game.
@ DP3,There are no changes that will help BYU. They just don't
have the players or coaches.
CAL shut-down BYU effortlessly in the second half playing man D. Did the
faithful Y fans see and realize the speed and depth of CAL's defense??????
Did ya? Yeah, BYU scored their usual, a garbage time TD in the last minute to
make it seem close........the CAL DBs were playing 20 yards off the
line...........easy W for CAL. Did y'all notice how quiet LES was?
I really want this coaching staff to succeed, but until Coach Sitake is willing
to make the hard decisions he will not last after this year. He's worried
more about not affecting the confidence of a struggling QB instead of the team
results. Clearly Wilson should have been put in. It wasn't all on Mangum
for sure, but the team was struggling and they needed something jump start them.
If nothing else, a little more of a mobile QB back there would have offered an
additional arrow in the quiver for the offense to get those few yards they kept
struggling to get on 3rd downs.
I think BYU should sell LES to UVU. They will be putting together a football
team in the next few years. BYU played against obscure state schools in the once
unpopulated western states and enjoyed "glory" in the old WAC. Times
have changed.........the Y needs to try and see if the Big Sky Conference will
take them, or sell LES to UVU if that isn't possible......?
NewsFlash: "He will hold those players accountable for the dropped
passes,..."Then what? Not many options, if any, when
there's no depth.
“Last week Grimes called a fantastic game but this week it was like Anae
was back on the sidelines.“Pretty simple—Week 1 against
a complete joke of a D 3 years running & Week 2 against a decent D.
Grimes is a hard nose, no nonsense type of coach.I have had friends
who played for Grimes the first time he was at BYU. Grimes will not accept
players not playing well.He will hold those players accountable for
the dropped passes, if Mangum did somethings wrong, he will be held accountable
(Which could be losing his starting position).That is the big
difference between Ty's offense and Grimes offense
I would like to know who’s reviewing the coaching staff? We got seriously
outcoached. It’s fine for Sataki to review each player but what about the
staff. Last week Grimes called a fantastic game but this week it was like Anae
was back on the sidelines. Maybe the problem wasn’t Detmer?
Tanner seems to have lost a step. Wide open lanes only turn into a couple of
yards. Not good under pressure. Worth giving another person a chance
including Hall. First downs never seemed so hard, but that was last year too.
It is Mangum or a true freshman He is between a rock and a hard
place because the skill players don’t have the skills
Mangum is not the reason we lost to Cal. He is a big part of the reason we were
able to beat AZ. His supposed "limited mobility" is overstated by many.
Not yet time to pull him for Wilson. Wilson likely will have three years as a
starting QB for BYU but none of the QBs can catch the ball for the receivers
(read -- dropped passes).
Cal did not play a backup QB. For whatever reason, they named 3 starters and
rotate them as needed in various situations. All 3 played in their first game.
He's right, it's not just one player. The entire "offense"
plays like last year.
It would be nice if a dual-threat quarterback were always more effective than
just a passer, but what matters most is the overall effectiveness of the QB. I
mean, how often do we ever see Tom Brady take off and run downfield? Jim McMahon
got the job done but was not a great scrambler. If Wilson is a better team
leader than Mangum, he should start, but we lay-people don't have a whole
lot of data and evidence either way. I know that Sitake has every motivation to
start the better player, and Grimes has no more personal experience with one
over the other, so no cause for bias. Salty opinions
notwithstanding, we can be assured that the coaching staff has a better finger
on the pulse of the team than the fan base.
Not trying to bag on KS but this is sounding a lot like last year already.
Let’s mix things up, try something different. Getting rid of Ty Detmer
doesn’t seem to have made a difference considering how horrible AZ
actually appears to be. We barely beat them. Please don’t go
all season without trying someone different at QB. With all the accountability
“talk” it would be nice to actually see some action. Mangum should
have been pulled after first half. He’s a nice enough guy but we want
more numbers in the win column this year.
I like Coach Sitake but he could learn from the Cal coaches who were willing to
try the backup quarterback when the starter wasn't as effective. That made
a big difference in the game. BYU's defense struggled against the backup
because he was a dual threat. Mangum isn't nearly as mobile and wasn't
a threat when scrambling under pressure.