unrepentant progressive 8:15 a.m.The left was not vehemently against the
war when they voted on it. Most Democrats in the Senate voted for it (including
Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, the 2 main Democrat leaders back then).Google "Senate Roll Call: Iraq Resolution - Washington Post"... If
time has changed your memory of how people actually voted.9/11 Unity
didn't break down and Democrats start to vehemently opposing everything
Bush (including the war) until the mid-term election. It was a calculated
change (by DNC strategists).Hillary Clinton and John Kerry voted for
war (Afghanistan and Iraq). When the next election came around they were
vehemently against it, but not right after 9/11. They waited till the unity
and post 9/11 bipartisan moment wore off.The same thing is going on
now as when Obama was elected, and when Bush was elected. And to a lesser
extent when Clinton was elected. I think the shift started then (with his
impeachment) it's been pay-back-mode ever since, only getting uglier and
uglier with every subsequent election and alternating sides feeling they have
been "wronged" by the other side.It's nothing new.
Just the level of the rhetoric.
@2 bits"Bottom line... we need to be more unified. Why are leftist
radicals constantly fighting against that... I couldn't tell you."It's not for lack of effort on my part. I laid out the argument against
"too much unity" pretty directly and simply.And it's
not like "unity" is even an American virtue. Our country was founded
because a lack of unity. It was then organized (in the Articles of
Confederation and then the Constitution) such that it was hard to get things
done. Two groups of elected representatives and then an executive position that
can veto? We are, by design, ungovernable.For that matter, the
founders didn't really *want* political parties, as they were auspicious of
that kind of consolidation of power.So yeah. "Unity" is
not, on it's own, a virtue. And we've seen the evils that are
perpetrated and excused in it's name. So nope, I'll take the
squabbling states, back and forth politics that ensures no one party retains
control for too long, and the fracticious contentious process over the kind of
"unity" you espouse.So yeah. You may but be able to
understand why some folk are skeptical of "unity", but it's not
because you haven't been told.
@unrepentantRE: "So, the right wing extremists in this country demand
the loyalty of those of us on the left"...---First define what
you meant when you said "right wing extremists". I need to know
exactly who you are vilifying today.Nobody's demanding loyalty.
Just Unity. And Unity is a good thing. Division, contention, etc, are bad.
Not unity.===RE: "Blaming the Left for lack of
patriotism"...---The same thing happened 8 years ago when the
left called anybody who didn't accept or support Obama as being
"Traitors", or "Racists". Isn't it?Same
thing.Baloney then, and baloney now. You can disagree with the
President and not be a traitor, or a "Racist".===RE:
"Put blame where it lies"...---Every leadership class or
text discourages "Put Blame" game as counter-productive to real
progress. It's subjective, and it's counter-productive. It's
just satisfying to our ego (which craves blame, and belittlement of others, to
satisfy our own smug pride).===RE: "The Left protested
this war vehemently"...---No they didn't.Hillary and the majority of Democrats in the Senate voted for it (29 Democrats
Yes, 21 Democrats No). That's not vehemently against it.
@A Scientist - Provo, UTYour attempts to create contention, and division,
and thwart unity... are perplexing to me. Why would you not be for unity?I know both sides do it (when the other side seems to have power). But
is it a good thing. When either side does it?===@marxist - 7:30 a.m.At the base of our economic system there is the
fundamental conflict between capital and labor.---This is just pure
class-warfare rhetoric. Divisive, not unifying.This topic has
nothing to do with economics or trying to divide people, and draw the usual
class-warfare lines. (labor vs capital). That malarkey is off-topic.This is just blatant class warfare rhetoric, divisive, and not unifying us.While we're using economics to divide us... Do Marxists grow
economies... or destroy them. Study history (real history, not theory) and you
will get your answer.===Bottom line... we need to be
more unified. Why are leftist radicals constantly fighting against that... I
couldn't tell you.
Well said, unrepentant progressive. I wish more people could see that
conservatives' calls for "unity" are thinly veiled, oppressive
maneuvers just like those mastered by numerous fascists throughout history!
So, the right wing extremists in this country demand the loyalty of those of us
on the left, found insufficiently patriotic. And summon the ghosts of the past
for proof. Piffle.Blaming the Left for lack of patriotism, most
especially during Bush's (err, Cheney's) little (mis)adventure in Iraq
is clearly the same old calling card of the "super patriot" right these
days.Put blame where it lies, which is indeed an appropriate word.
The US used false pretenses to start a war, spend countless billions and cause
death to thousands. The Left protested this war vehemently, and were declared
"unPatriotic" for correctly pointing out the folly of this foray.It was the "Left" who were the patriots of truth and the
American way back then, and the Left remains the true patriot of the American
way today. The call for unity from the right today equals a demand for the same
unthinking obedience to a demonstrably authoritarian president, who will set us
on a similar course as did Bush/Cheney. I don't want to
relive those days, spend that money on a meaningless cause and cause the death
of thousands. Patriotism is protest. Stand up and be counted. Be wary the
Competition which we rightly or wrongly (or both) venerate in capitalism drives
DISUNITY. And moreover we have the two distinct contrary interests, capital and
labor, which also drives same.
Looking at my two teen-aged sons in the days after 9/11, I was reminded of the
words of (future Senator) Daniel Patrick Moynihan, after the assassination of
John F Kennedy:"We will laugh again. But we will not be young
@2 bitsAbraham Lincoln, whose election literally started a civil war, and
Adolph Hitler, who created "unity" that lasted far longer.Get some perspective. This may not be the best of times, but it sure
ain't the worst of times either.
RE: "What if our unity lasted beyond the aftermath of 9/11"...---We would be a better country.But it didn't. We went
back to Politics-as-Usual next election. Heck there was a mid-term election...
what else is going to happen.Politics and increasing seats and power
for your party trumps everything in these people's minds (both sides).This can't be blamed on one party or the other. It's on all
of us. And the parties that encourage the divide (for votes).This
division comes naturally to humans to an extent, it's inspired by our
partisan nature and tribal nature. It's part of human nature. The
various parties just fan those flames... and watch it burn. They love
contention and division. They live for it (both sides).===The ironic thing is.. Osama BinLaden actually brought Americans
together, like no politician in history has ever brought us together.Our politicians then turned around and divided us... like no BinLadeen in
history has been able to divide us.That's sad and ironic IMO.
Our politicians divide us, and terrorists unite us.I wish our
politicians would quit trying to divide us and stop sowing contention (for
votes) and start uniting us.
As a New Yorker who was in the city shortly after 9/11, I will never forget the
unmistakable acts of generosity, warmth, and kindness I saw in the succeeding
weeks: young people of different races helping old people of other races across
the street. Strangers helping young moms lifting baby carriages over curb cuts.
People saying thank you in restaurants and stores. I remember thinking at
the time, I hope this lasts.It hasn't.
If irony isn't dead, it's getting there. The way
politicians attack each other for doing the same things they do themselves,
it's clear that we need more of a sense of irony, not less. e.g., Orrin Hatch wouldn't give the time of day to Merrill Garland, but
now he's upset that some people protest Kavanaugh. As the French say,
"...for months and even years afterward we all recognized and remembered
that there is far more that unites us than there is that divides us."Then why does your comment bash those who do not agree with you,
emphasizing what divides us rather than what unites us?Please, lead
by example! Stop bashing those who do not join lockstep with your beliefs, and
focus on, praise, and post comments about what unites us!Or, just
slip away into the hypocrisy we have come to expect from your ilk.
Concentration camps of perceived enemies and scapegoats.There a
reason we look at the rose of nationalism in the first half of the 20th century
with cynicism. Sure, folks were more "united". And that
"unity" was used to excuse all sorts of evils in America, Germany,
Russia, and so-on.Heck, look at the current plagues of the Catholic
Church. That's what "unity" excuses. The good of the many
out-weighs the good of Justice. So nope. I'll take
individualism and petty bickering over internment camps, the Patriot Act and
poorly justified wars.
Well-written article. I was sharing these same sentiments with coworkers today -
including those too young to remember the immediate aftermath. I'm
disappointed to see that the comment board has already jumped right back in to
the bickering and fighting that was pointed out in the article. As the editorial
board said, it's not important that we all agree. We expect - even need -
political differences for our country to operate well. However, the division,
tribalism, and fighting between Americans has become so toxic in the last
several years. It's not like political parties stopped disagreeing after
9/11, but for months and even years afterward we all recognized and remembered
that there is far more that unites us than there is that divides us. We may
disagree about the fringes, but in all we have a remarkable tapestry that is the
United States of America, and when we are united our enemies cannot defeat us:
on the battlefield, or more importantly in believing in freedom, liberty, and
the overwhelming majority of humanity that is good and caring.I hope we
can all reflect on these things and heal the harsh divides without needing
I'm not sure what the author is talking about. Unity? In what sense?Is it just about people "understand[ing] its unique purpose in a
world swirling with freedom’s enemies.?"What does that
look like? Combining the RNC and DNC conventions?"...treat[ing]
political foes as fellow Americans with competing ideas for helping the country,
not as enemies"?Who is attacking and using violence against
fellow Americans? Be specific. Which political party leaders are calling for and
endorsing such activity?"...civility and the Golden Rule in all
aspects of life"? Oh, you mean like Sunday school? Is that really a healthy
nation? I don't think so. Once again an empty call for
"unity". Why? What's the agenda? Nationalism? Fascism? A desire to
restore the hegemony of religion in America?People like this author
use nice words and platitudes, but completely lack any substance.
This piece was standard, stock boilerplate.9/11 was used as a
pretext to begin overthrowing 7 Muslim countries in the next 5 years (google
Gen. Wesley Clark's interview w/Amy Goodman). Though delayed, we're
still pursuing that goal.And not many people seem to be aware that a
3rd steel framed WTC high-rise, 47 stories high, was brought down at 5:20 pm on
9/11. That would be WTC Bldg. 7, which came down in 6.5-7 seconds, with ~the
first 2.5 seconds in free-fall. The 2.5 seconds of free-fall
translates to ~100 feet or 8 stories of Bldg. 7 being removed ~simultaneously.
Office fires can’t do this. WTC Bldg. 7 is ignored by MSM
sources because it doesn't fit the 9/11 meme/narrative of: Muslim
hijackers hijacked 4 planes, 3 of which were run into buildings, 2 of which
underwent complete collapse.If you have any curiosity about these
issues, peruse: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Journal of 9/11
Studies and Scientists for 9/11 Truth. Further, the peer-reviewed paper:
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 WTC Catastrophe,
2009, Harrit, Farrer, Jones, et al., will inform you about the unreacted
nano-thermite in found in WTC dust..
@RiDal and Harry What I recall is exactly what we see in your two
comments, some people choose to use this tragedy to attack those they saw as
their political enemies and religious minorities in the most vile terms and ways
while the rest of the country tried to pull together in support of one another
even as we disagreed over how to respond. I guess time and tragedy does not
always change the hearts of some men, what a shame.
@RiDal " I remember being appalled at how the Liberal-Left immediately
shifted into "blame-America" mode. 9/11..."Leftists like
me did not start kicking back until Bush's insane Iraq invasion. On that
point Donald Trump and I agree.
RiDal, I don't remember the Left blaming America. There were some outliers
but they were hardly in the mainstream.What I do remember is the
Bush administration using this to wage war on Iraq despite the fact that Iraq
had nothing to do with 9-11.And to bring up "Trump derangement
syndrome" after what the Republicans tried to do to Obama is questionable.
When you had the insane truther thing happen (which Trump was a big part of)
conservatives can't claim they were civil.
Suddenly when we have a President elected by the fringes of the right, who
surrounds himself with criminals, sex scandals, pathological lying, and scandals
of all kinds...we should all join hands and sing kumbyya in his praise. Ahhh, I
don't think so."9/11 really did begin the era of the Left
trying to destroy every traditional moral and ethical value"What? I thought protesting the Vietnam war, free love, and Roe v Wade were
the beginning of our downfall. Glad to hear my era gets a pass on destroying
I don't understand the author's reasoning. It flies in the face of
most every person's experience in our personal life.When
grandpa dies suddenly, the whole family comes together in a joyful remembrance
of his life (usually). A week after the funeral, when the will is read and his
possessions distributed, the real battle begins. A battle that was under the
radar as long as grandpa lived. Siblings, cousins and others are (usually)
fighting and feuding over 'things'. Arguments ensue about who grandpa
loved best to justify why I should get the quilt.The country is not
so different than our families. A great tragedy will bring out the best in us,
followed by an almost inevitable blow-out amongst the survivors.
I am old enough to remember the nation before 9/11. I remember being appalled
at how the Liberal-Left immediately shifted into "blame-America" mode.
9/11 really did begin the era of the Left trying to destroy every traditional
moral and ethical value. We see that "Bush Derangement Syndrome has
metastasized into "Trump Derangement Syndrome". Please, just
remember to vote. Our enemies know that they can't defeat us militarily,
but they can help spread the psychological cancer of cultural self-loathing and
At the base of our economic system there is the fundamental conflict between
capital and labor. In the early 1930's the nation faced an economic
calamity. We unified then - for about 100 days, and then capital proceeded to
blunt FDR's reforms. At the base of our conflict today is the rebellion of
the white working class which resorted to Trump. For us, lasting unity is not
Great piece--I was just thinking about this as well.So sad that
feeling couldn't last. It was an amazing time of perfect in the
shadow of such tragedy.
"How quickly those days passed."I think that's what was
the most disheartening. Before we had even cleared all of the rubble, some were
calling Bush a liar, a war criminal, even a Nazi. They hated him so badly there
were constant calls for impeachment. They were so vitriolic that Charles
Krauthammer coined a neologism: Bush Derangement Syndrome. It's very hard
to understand this behavior.
Americans always seem to unite against a common enemy , be it a hostile nation
out to destroy us. an actual war waged against us (Vietnam, & prob Korea
don't count), or a disaster of epic proportions. These things bring out the
best in most of us, and a desire to actually help people and care abt them. Unfortunately, great disasters, whether they be natural or manmade, seem
to be the only thing on the last 20 yrs or so that unite us together in a common
purpose. 9/11 happened w/a president who was capable of rising to the occasion.
I doubt we have that now.So be careful what you wish for. It just
might come true.