When Bob Woodward cries wolf, he's been in its tracks. Believe him.
Trump, it seems, just vents.
@thid barker"When President Trump tell us the way things are,
the left ALWAYS claims its a lie"As much as you'd like to
think that criticism of Trump only comes from those on the left, you're
wrong."the left is certain the Russians got President Trump
elected"I said nothing lies relating to Russians nor
Trump's election. Your strawman is real."majority of
Americans in 30 out of 50 states elected him"And the majority of
Americans in 1 out of 1 country did not. But none of those claims
has any relevance to Trumps lying on a daily basis. Not 'trump telling us
the way things are', but Trump outright fabricating statements out of thin
air.If you haven't researched them by now, you never will. If
they haven't changed your opinions of Trump by now, they never will. But
those lies exist, are well documented, and continue on a daily basis.
Many of my generation were fresh out of college when Watergate happened. We
watched Bob Woodward follow the truth systematically and courageously and the
truth finally came out. Bob Woodward is a patriot and consummate journalist. Do
I believe Woodward or Trump? A proven journalist with a great track record or
Trump who can't open his mouth without lying, bullying or bragging about
G-Day-M8 - Where is Waldo, UTSept. 11, 2018 7:57 a.m."Mueller has nothing to date to prove collusion."You're watching too much Fox News. No one knows what Robert Mueller has
in his basket. But we have the Trump Tower meeting between Russian
representatives of Vladimir Putin offering negative information about Hillary
Clinton and Trump campaign officials. Fox may dismiss that meeting as being
about adopting children. Yet we also know that Donald Trump dictated a bogus
excuse for the meeting which was exposed as an attempt to obstruct.Why do people have to go over information that is readily available for
dedicated Fox viewers? Do they have no other source or do they not want to know?
It's a real quandary. We know that Donald Trump gets his news from
'Fox & Friends' and 'Hannity' re-runs. In fact, we learn
his day is spent pretty much watching Fox and tweeting about what he has
learned. With all the resources available, Trump gets most of his information
from a propaganda network. Maybe because Fox only says good things about him and
what he is doing.Those who state with conviction that Mueller has
nothing, perhaps they can enlighten us about what went on in Helsinki?
scrappy do - DRAPER, UTSept. 11, 2018 4:28 a.m."You
don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be president... you just have to
win an election."It sure helps to have the Russians working on
your behalf, though. Donald Trump barely eked out an electoral win. Confidence
in Hillary Clinton was diminished immensely by the leaked DNC emails. Although
these were not the emails she maintained on her home server (those were never
hacked), they did remind people of her not adhering to protocol.As
the Republican Party continues to implode, one wonders how they will win
elections without help. Stiffing voters, attempts at disenfranchising voters,
gerrymandering congressional districts, voter I.D. laws, changing locations for
voting go a long way to decrease Democratic turnout and voting. But having a
hostile state actually get in and tamper with voting records, changing
registration information and perhaps altering voting results could be a major
factor in elections to come.We still don't know what is being
done to combat future voting interference by foreign players. Like we don't
know what was arranged at Helsinki, we do know that Russia will be very active
again in November.
G-Day-M8 - Where is Waldo, UTSept. 11, 2018 7:57 a.m."It's my firm feeling that President Trump is a threat to the
establishments course to bring down the United States and exchange true liberty,
the Constitution, and rule of law for gross wickedness and tyranny."Are you concerned more about a cabal of so-called elites in control of
the levers of government trying to maintain their power and position, but
don't recognize that Donald Trump wants to establish himself as the center
of power (i.e. becoming his own "establishment") to exert authoritarian
control over us all?Is this giving up one "establishment"
for another? It doesn't matter who is in charge, Republican, Democrat,
corporate interests, the wealthy and influential, or Trump and his benefactors
and supporters, they all become "establishment" when they have power. So
which establishment do you want running the show?Usually we find the
tactic of taking a criticism and turning it against an opponent, making similar
charges to divert attention, a central feature of Trump's strategy of
winning his argument. If he is called naive and inept, he attacks his attackers
by calling them "naive and inept". Very school yard.
G-Day-M8 - Where is Waldo, UTSept. 11, 2018 7:57 a.m."It's my firm feeling that President Trump is a threat to the
establishments course to bring down the United States and exchange true liberty,
the Constitution, and rule of law for gross wickedness and tyranny."That's an interesting thought. What exactly is the establishment?
Is it the wealthy and corporations? Are you talking about the Republican Party?
I realize that people talk about the "Deep State", but that appears to
be people who do not think like they do, so it must be about 65-70% of the
American people.Before we can understand what the establishment is
going to do to democracy, we need to know what it is. Perhaps you can enlighten
us. They we can determine how this establishment is taking away liberty, the
Constitution and the rule of law. This is a major charge. We also know that
you're not talking about Democrats and Independents because they're
not in charge, but you may include them because they want to regain power in
government.Perhaps "the establishment" is
"government" in general. Do you wish to do away with government? Or do
you want Donald Trump to stay in power, have all power, forever and ever?
Thid Barker - Victor, IDSept. 11, 2018 9:12 a.m."Our
economy is the envy of the world, wages are up, taxes are down, unemployment is
at record lows, the DOW is still in record territory, we are getting many better
trade deals, NATO members are paying their own way, Gorsuch sits on the SCOTUS
and Kavanaugh soon will be and America is becoming greater, freer and more
prosperous! President Trump already has accomplished more good for more
Americans in a shorter time with more obstruction than any President in our
history!"You've memorized the Fox News talking points.
I'm impressed. Maybe you should apply for a position with the Trump White
House. He desperately needs loyal believers. You don't need any experience,
just be faithful to Donald Trump. He'll do the rest.MAGA to
Silo: "Trump has several thousand documented lies since he took office."
I have learned many times in life that a "lie" is usually the truth that
someone else doesn't like! When President Trump tell us the way things are,
the left ALWAYS claims its a lie! For example, the left is certain the Russians
got President Trump elected! Nope, the majority of Americans in 30 out of 50
(60%) states elected him! Here are a few more truths you won't like about
President Trump: Our economy is the envy of the world, wages are up, taxes are
down, unemployment is at record lows, the DOW is still in record territory, we
are getting many better trade deals, NATO members are paying their own way,
Gorsuch sits on the SCOTUS and Kavanaugh soon will be and America is becoming
greater, freer and more prosperous! President Trump already has accomplished
more good for more Americans in a shorter time with more obstruction than any
President in our history! God bless President Trump. Thus the hate from the left
is unprecedented! Go figure.
What is the obsession with removing President Trump? Mueller has nothing to date
to prove collusion. The constant barrage against everything President Trump says
or does is unprecedented. It's my firm feeling that President
Trump is a threat to the establishments course to bring down the United States
and exchange true liberty, the Constitution, and rule of law for gross
wickedness and tyranny.While some may prosper and others suffer for
a time, the end game will not end well for those who choose corruption and
This or some variant thereof is often said by a trump supporter: "I will
not pay to read his or any other gossip rag". (Said of Woodward's book
and presumably the Washington Post.) Apparently the irony of trump's
support by the 'National Enquirer' is lost on this group.IMHO, this incapsulates the dominate mentality of the trump supporter. Which
is to say, please don't bother me with facts, I have already made up my
mind. The corollary being, and I will make up obvious lies, conspiracy theories
and innuendo to attempt to prove I am right. When truth, justice and
equal treatment before the law become a dominant ethic in the electorate, then
American democracy dies. The trump administration is attempting all three with
the loud support of trump apologists.I hope that the American
electorate sees this, and sends others to Congress and the Senate this year to
put a check on the would-be autocrat sitting in the White House today.
Perpetuating the myth that Trump is too dumb to be president The
smartest campaign in modern politics... winning an election in a huge upset..
like Savannah stare beating Alabama There is a lot of jealousy in
the DC bubble He isn’t going anywhere until Americans vote him
outYou don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be president...
you just have to win an election Same as it ever was
@thid barker"The more President Trump succeeds, the more irrational
and untruthful the left becomes."Trump has several thousand
documented lies since he took office. Documented lies.Strange you
accuse the 'left' of being untruthful, yet say nothing about
Trump's own habit of lying.
"Go ahead, another hate Trump rag will not stop him from making America
great." It isn't Trump making our country great. It is the
citizens, our Constitution, our laws, and our compassion that make America
great. Nothing to do with Trump.
Cougarbib2 - Moorpark, CASept. 10, 2018 9:45 a.m."Instead,
for money, Woodward is penning things he may have heard 2nd or 3rd or 4th hand
as though they are facts."Perhaps you should re-phrase your
comment. If a person wants to speculate, at least say that it is their opinion.
Saying how Bob Woodward got his information from one who was not there suggests
the opinion comes a source that doesn't deal in fact-based reporting.Obviously the writer doesn't know how journalists work. Often in
interviews they record the interview and take notes just in case they are
challenged. Also, they get other sources to corroborate their information
because their editors will want it. Nothing is worse for a journalist to have
their story proved non-factual. They lose their credibility and jobs that
way.One of the best ways to throw shade is to start speculating
about all sorts of things without even the least bit of fact to support it. This
is conspiracy run rampant, which the Trump administration seems to feed on. Next
they make stuff up to prove their point. It doesn't matter what is true as
it gets passed off as "alternate facts". In TrumpWorld, this called
It's really sort of amazing Bob Woodward is bringing another corrupt
president down 44 years after he helped bring Nixon down. That guy is a national
treasure!It's sort of like if KC and the Sunshine Band were
dominating the charts again in 2018!
The more President Trump succeeds, the more irrational and untruthful the left
becomes. Go ahead, another hate Trump rag will not stop him from making America
great. Another book will not stop our economy from being the envy of the world
and will not keep Kavanaugh off the SCOTUS! Another hate Trump book will not win
elections for the left.
If Woodward wrote a book about me, my feelings would be hurt but I wouldn't
say it was all lies.I think Trump should get more creative, maybe
say there are many Donald Trumps in the world and Woodward must have gotten
Thid Barker - Victor, IDSept. 10, 2018 11:07 a.m."How do
we know his book is full of lies? Because so many of those whom Woodward quotes
say they never said what Woodward said they said!Donald Trump says a
lot of things which he later says he didn't say. We have it on audio. We
have it on video. One reason he likes to use the telephone and not email is that
with a telephone call there is deniability. An email can be found and we can
read what was expressed. However, with Trump he lives in this alternate universe
where all he has to do is deny the obvious and his supporters will shift
positions and argue that he never said what was said because he denies it.This is a central aspect of political run-around: deny, deny, deny . . .
until the proof comes out. We see it over and over, particularly with this White
House. How did we get "fake news", "alternate facts" and
"the truth isn't the truth"? For those who watch and listen to Fox
News all day, of course Trump's denials prove that he is telling the truth.
Often, negative stories don't make to 'Fox & Friends',
'Hannity', and the other Fox talking heads who are instructed to keep
to the talking points.
Who ya gonna believe, a guy that brought down another Republican president and
Pulitzer Prize winner with several books under his credit...or...a guy that has
over 4500 verifiable lies since taking office?Trump is like Captain
Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny?" Paranoid to the eyebrows, both of them.
Woodward is a venerated journalist. He is not lying."Deep
Throat" - one of Woodward's most famous sources - publicly denied it
for years before finally admitting who he was and the role he played in helping
bring Nixon's crimes to light.Woodward never gave him up, even
though he had proof of who he was, and even though he heard Deep Throat denying
his involvement over and over. Why?1. Woodward has integrity. He
promised to keep his sources a secret so he did, and is doing so now. 2. Nobody would ever act as a source for him again if he went public with
their identity just to defend his own character. The truth will eventually come
out. So, Trump - a man that has lied to his wives, to his employees,
to his creditors, to his lawyers, and to the American people - is trying to
defame the character of Woodward, and calls him a liar? What a joke.Trump complains that libel laws are not strict enough, and has threatened to
sue Woodward...so should Obama sue Trump? Trump lied about Obama's birth
certificate for years.If Trump is the leader of the Republican
Party, I don't know how anyone could align themselves with it ever again.
I'm convinced that Bob Woodward is telling the truth. I do wish that people
would come forward and say what they mean and mean what they say. No more
hiding. Either support Trump or resign. I don't see it happening, but I
wish it would. I could respect either of those decisions
Impartial7 : " Woodward fears what is happening to our country".
Precisely right! Woodward fears President Trump is succeeding and most
importantly, no matter the baloney and lies the left throws against President
Trump, he is still in the WH, thank God! The left fears the truth that our
economy is the envy of the world, unemployment is at all time lows, taxes are
lower, wages are higher, we are getting better trade deals and the stock market
is on fire! Our military is strong, Gorsuch is on the SCOTUS and Kavanaugh soon
will be and our future is bright! For these and many other good reasons
Woodward and the left are in a panic mode!
Old man: "But perhaps if they would all come forward now and speak the
truth loudly and clearly, THAT would be the very best protection they could
offer for all of us. Telling the truth would probably force the problem out of
the White House."Maybe in the good ol' days, the truth
would matter. If you think the die-hard Trump supporters are going to give up
their belief system because they are shown the truth, you got another think
coming.Trump is their political saviour and the facts of reality
don't have much of a chance to change their minds.Many Trump
supporters are actually coming around to the horrible reality of having elected
a narcissistic toddler to the White House, but I fear they are too few and too
Yes, and Nixon's associates denied everything too. In the end,
it all came out. Woodward was right then, and I very strongly suspect he is
"From one old man to another, I will not pay to read his or any other gossip
rag."Does that include FOX?
"How do we know his book is full of lies? Because so many of those whom
Woodward quotes say they never said what Woodward said they said! People always
lie for the same reason: fear. "Yes, and those folks who told
the truth to Woodward are lying now because they are scared to death of trump
and are clinging desperately to what little power they think they have.
@ThidBaker;" People always lie for the same reason: fear. I suspect
Woodward's lies are because he fears the continual loss of Democrat's
political power in America!"Woodward fears what is happening to
our Country under Trump/Putin. People in the White House fear that telling the
truth will incur the wrath of Trump. Wake up.
Fox and Friends told me the book is garbage and I am not about to read a bunch
of garbage. Besides, if I did read it, it may prove Fox and Friends
to be wrong and they are never wrong, because they say so.So it must
Sometimes I wonder if this was a good idea to expose this info way too early in
the game instead of watching and observing till inner circle self-implosion
occurred but I guess the need for cash flow is of the utmost importance. The end
result is going to affect a lot of people's reputations and
trustworthiness, positively or negatively.
@Fred44 - Salt Lake City, UtahSept. 10, 2018 10:42 a.m.Pretty sure
if Woodward says they are not telling the truth, he can prove it. He is way to
experienced to make those types of accusations against decorated military
leaders without ironclad proof."Exactly! The thing that most
Woodward detractors don't recognize is that Nixon and his inner circle said
the same things about the Woodward, WaPost and the NY Times. History proved they
were lying. Woodward is like Mueller. Patient, methodical and triple checks his
sources. I find it hard to believe that anyone still believes anything that
I doubt Woodward, who has more intelligence and truth in his sock drawer than
there is in the entire White House, would call out those people as liars if he
couldn't provide evidence.He's no fool.
How do we know his book is full of lies? Because so many of those whom Woodward
quotes say they never said what Woodward said they said! People always lie for
the same reason: fear. I suspect Woodward's lies are because he fears the
continual loss of Democrat's political power in America!
Starting with All the President's Men, Bob Woodward has amassed a sizable
body of work that has been highly acclaimed. That doesn't mean he
can't make mistakes but let's consider the sources, Bob Woodward and
those he investigates. I expected nothing less than the type of criticism this
book is drawing. It is entirely consistent with how this White House standardly
responds to any news reporting that exposes both those who work to keep the lid
on and Trump himself.
Pretty sure if Woodward says they are not telling the truth, he can prove it.
He is way to experienced to make those types of accusations against decorated
military leaders without ironclad proof.
From one old man to another, I will not pay to read his or any other gossip rag.
But help us all out here. For the two quotes reported in this news article,
who did old man Woodward tell us it was that actually heard these two men quoted
as uttering those words that claim to acutely have been there and heard those
men, first hand. And where is the news article where someone has stepped up and
said, "yep, I heard it with my own ears".Put up or shut up
Cougarbib2 - Moorpark, CASept. 10, 2018 9:45 a.m.Maybe the author
should reveal his sources of this information. He gives assurances of accuracy
as though he was there or has recordings.========He has
revealed his sources and he DOES have recordings. Read his book and learn for
yourself instead of passing along stories from trump's supporters.One of the greatest tragedies of all this is that people who previously had
outstanding careers in behalf of this nation are now forced into positions where
they must be dishonest to try to protect a dishonest man. Then
again, maybe they realize that the only way to continue to protect our nation is
try to keep a very bad situation from becoming even worse.But
perhaps if they would all come forward now and speak the truth loudly and
clearly, THAT would be the very best protection they could offer for all of us.
Telling the truth would probably force the problem out of the White House.Even President Pence would be a whole lot better than what we have now.
Maybe the author should reveal his sources of this information. He gives
assurances of accuracy as though he was there or has recordings. Neither of
those are true, or he would state that he heard it with his own ears.Instead, for money, Woodward is penning things he may have heard 2nd or 3rd or
4th hand as though they are facts.
The White House has become a 24/7 daycare center that provides its services to
only one enrolled attendee.
They need to lie to stay in crazy town and try to have an adult in the room
attached to reality.