After loss to Cal, schedule only gets tougher for BYU — next up is trip to No. 6 Wisconsin

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  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Sept. 14, 2018 2:14 p.m.

    @London Josh--And if finding an LDS HC seems to be an impossibility, which out of millions I don't see why it would be, the approving group who signs off on the HC could just as easily have a non-LDS guy do it.

    There are millions of LDS guys who could coach a major college football program?

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 11, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    I love how prior to playing Arizona AzzUte was sure that BYU would eat Tate's dust all night and can't compete - and now Arizona is simply a bad team.

    then the comment on Kalani - I guess it's nearly impossible to find a guy who wants to earn $1M a year playing football - tough to find, right? If Kalani needs to be replaced he'll easily be replaced. And if finding an LDS HC seems to be an impossibility, which out of millions I don't see why it would be, the approving group who signs off on the HC could just as easily have a non-LDS guy do it.

    Junk comments lacking in reason and consistency, meanwhile how's Utah doing? Not really that good, right?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:53 a.m.

    “but we saw more spark in Arizona than all of last year combined.”

    Spark? Against that U of A utter disaster?

    UH saw a “spark” against U of A, to the tune of a 4 TD differential, w/16 of U of A’s 18 points coming w/their 1s against UH’s backups.....Conversely, byu beat them by merely 5 points.

    “Wait until the soft part of the schedule so the kid will look great, and the fans can be all optimistic for next year.”

    Soft? usu/NIU/UH/Umass should very well most likely all be Ls, particularly against usu/NIU.

    We’ll see, they might actually have a shot against UH/Umass.

    But hey, @ least there’s always Nmsu @ home to look forward to—Lol

    And we all know 8 straight & counting is an unequivocal certainty, period.

    Go Utes!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Sept. 11, 2018 6:48 a.m.

    It would be foolish to throw Wilson out there right now, because the Cougars are playing some tough teams and the QB is sure to take a beating. Wait until the soft part of the schedule so the kid will look great, and the fans can be all optimistic for next year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 11, 2018 12:03 a.m.

    “Sitake's job is on the line this season. He needs to inspire the troops to fight harder or he will be fired.”

    I always chuckle @ this sentiment, as if byu had a looping line of replacement HCs waiting in the wings or something.

    Who, exactly, do any of you making this proclamation think could be his replacement?

    Btw, Cal was unequivocally the better team, byu’s margin of defeat moral victory notwithstanding.....And UW covers the spread, w/ease.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Sept. 10, 2018 11:06 p.m.

    I don't always agree with Sooner - but this is the best comment on the board:

    "SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 9:38 a.m.
    After 2 games, fans have already lost sight of the goals for this season.

    1) win 1 of AZ, Cal, Wis, UW, but hope for 2 or more.
    2) turn 4 win season to 4 loss season
    3) find a bowl opening

    Despite impatient fans, BYU is still on track. You expected to lose to AZ but win Cal. It flipped. So what? Why jump horses to an unknown? Wilson has talent, but absolutely zero experience at the next level. You believe he will be a miracle, but realistically, that inexperience will cost games. It might cost bowl eligibility. Jerry Palm has the Cougars on track for the Independence Bowl in Shreveport. Do you really want to risk that?"

    This is not "the worst season since the 60's" - we don't know who BYU is, but we saw more spark in Arizona than all of last year combined.

    There is a lot of season left - we'll have a new QB inevitably anyway because Tanner is a senior, give it time, get this team to gel as a group, there are 10 games left, 8 winnable and 6 that we might be favored in.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:03 p.m.

    Nobody gives BYU a chance, which is why they have one.

  • nananana batman saint george, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 5:59 p.m.

    Yeah I'm going to be the only one to say it
    BYU beats Wisconsin this week. I already bet some dude Rolex watches trumpet lessons.

    It's gonna be sweeeeeet!

  • Keyser Sose American Fork, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 5:31 p.m.

    I've had it! It is time for a quarterback change! Give the freshman a chance. He will lead us to the promised land. Taysom Hill is not the guy. Give Magnum a chance. He is the best QB that BYU has had in years.............Oh, wait a minute, that was 3 years ago. Sorry.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 10, 2018 4:59 p.m.

    CAL was unequivocally the better team, byu’s margin of defeat moral victory notwithstanding.

    “Sitake's job is on the line this season. He needs to inspire the troops to fight harder or he will be fired.”

    I always chuckle @ this sentiment, as if byu-p had a looping line of replacement HCs waiting in the wings or something.

    Who, exactly, do any of you making this proclamation think could even remotely be his replacement? This is not a rhetorical question.

  • Ldsrm Spanish Fork, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 4:10 p.m.

    I think Tanner needs to relax and not give up the defense that California had is better than we will not see after September . I think Byu will be better than last year . I really hope That BYU ofincive line can help to keep Tanner from getting heart

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 2:31 p.m.

    You all are crazy. Wanting a new QB for the Wisconsin game. Sure put in a true freshman, let him take the beat down and ruin his confidence for ever. Let Magnum take the beat down. Come on man, think about it.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    If you would have said BYU will be 1-2 after there first three games you would have taken it. A lot of people assumed 0-3 was very likely. They still should win 6+ games and qualify for a bowl game.

  • stevenv Henderson, NV
    Sept. 10, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    A good coach always says he didn’t prepare his team well enough to win, and he never points fingers at the kids. Sitake still hasn’t seen that memo. He blames everyone but himself. He’s not a very good motivator, and is not a very good coach. This will be his last year.

  • stevenv Henderson, NV
    Sept. 10, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    Good coaches always say that they didn’t prepare their team well enough. A good co

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:35 p.m.

    at long last...

    “I get very tired of the fans and the DN writers bloviating about the difficulty of BYU’s schedule...”

    I get very tired of Utah fans pretending that BYU’s schedule is a piece of cake.

    The Utes would lose at least 4 or 5 games playing BYU’s 2018 schedule.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:27 p.m.

    It makes little sense to throw a Freshman QB to the wolves against Wisconsin.

    Even if BYU’s offense had been humming versus Cal, there’s little chance that BYU could have pulled off the upset at Wisconsin.

    Better to let Mangum see what he can do versus the Badgers, and if that turns out to be a disaster, then start Wilson at home versus McNeese State.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:12 p.m.

    That game against Cal should have been a huge wake-up call for our players. Guys have got to put in maximum effort and focus in every practice in order to be ready for games. If they slack off at all and don't take this seriously then they'll continue to have more games like Cal that they coulda/shoulda/woulda won and embarrass themselves.

    I'm not expecting us to beat Wisconsin this week but I am expecting them to play better and make Wisconsin work hard to get a win. Who knows maybe a miracle will happen and we'll win this one, but only if they work hard and go in there 100% focused.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:10 p.m.

    I agree that Sitaki's job is on the line here, and should be. We have not had a worse program since I was a freshman at BYU in the late 60's.

    Problem number one: Mangum is not the man. How many chances do you give a guy that should be passed over after so many bad games?

    Beyond that I would like to understand why the BYU coaches think it is fine to just take a knee at the end of the first half when they have the ball with time still on the clock and there is even the possibility of a chance to make the big play with one more pass? What is this? I don't get it.

    And same for the last play of the game. Why are you taking a knee? I say, go for it. Do a hail Mary in the end zone. If the game is lost otherwise, what do you have to lose? Come on! Make every last play count!

  • FastestFalcon Provo, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 11:46 a.m.

    Sitake's job is on the line this season. He needs to inspire the troops to fight harder or he will be fired.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 11:18 a.m.

    After two games, the red and blue teams are rather similar as they each prepare for UW.

    Both have O-Line and quarterback problems, not likely to be fixed this week.

    Both have better than expected defenses, but neither D can score enough to secure a win for their respective team.

    Both UW's get the victory this week. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:37 a.m.

    So the first issue is to what extent are the mistakes (explained by players and coaches as “miscommunications” and “missed assignments”) correctable now. Fall camp is over.

    The second issue is whether even with a complete correction of all such mistakes, can the Cougar beat the Badger?

    Unfortunately, the score against Cal is misleading. Without Dayan’s 30 yard fumble recovery romp, the game was not really close. Wisconsin will look at California’s D sets in the second half will replicate them.

    This is where we see what Coach Grimes is really made of. Good luck, boys.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    After 2 games, fans have already lost sight of the goals for this season.

    1) win 1 of AZ, Cal, Wis, UW, but hope for 2 or more.
    2) turn 4 win season to 4 loss season
    3) find a bowl opening

    Despite impatient fans, BYU is still on track. You expected to lose to AZ but win Cal. It flipped. So what? Why jump horses to an unknown? Wilson has talent, but absolutely zero experience at the next level. You believe he will be a miracle, but realistically, that inexperience will cost games. It might cost bowl eligibility. Jerry Palm has the Cougars on track for the Independence Bowl in Shreveport. Do you really want to risk that?

  • JingDoc Fort Collins, CO
    Sept. 10, 2018 8:44 a.m.

    I agree with @Cougarbib2. This was more of a beat down at the coaching level than it was a beat down on the field. The players could and should be better than they looked Saturday, but this game was winnable by a more competent coaching staff.

    After two games, the prognosis for a "recovery" year is not good. Unless something changes, dramatically, BYU looks like a 5 game winner at best this year.

  • Laxman taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 8:42 a.m.

    Why in the world did BYU run that fake taking a knee at the end of the first half? They were deep in their own territory with no time on the clock. Why would you show the world you even practice that. Poor coaching at its best.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 8:34 a.m.

    Cherry picking what plays you keep and what plays you throw out is one of the silliest thinks fans on this comment board do. Changing one play changes all after it. BYU was very lucky to have a few turnovers in the 2nd half (seven points from one) otherwise it would have been a blowout.

    BYU did not look past CAL, CAL is just better along with Wisconsin, Washington, Boise State, USU and Utah. You can probably also put NIU in that category as well.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Sept. 10, 2018 8:10 a.m.

    I get very tired of the fans and the DN writers bloviating about the difficulty of byu's schedule. If they were P5 they would have a minimum of 8 games against P5 teams (not many are as pitifully weak as Arizona). This team has, what? 5 or 6 games against P5 teams. Big deal -NOT.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Sept. 10, 2018 7:54 a.m.

    @Cougarbib2 - Moorpark, CA
    Sept. 9, 2018 11:37 p.m.

    "Anyone that thinks replacing Mangum fixes the problem we saw Saturday should be warded an honorary masters degree in over simplification."

    OK, my car has a lot of problems. There is a squeak, it pulls to the right and sometimes overheats. But it also has a blown gasket and won't turn over. Fixing the blown gasket won't make the other problems go away, but at least the car will start and I can drive it.

    Mangum started as a freshman because we had no choice and he was not good. Many called for him to start over Hill his sophomore season, and we see what a mistake that would have been. Last year he was down right awful.

    I was willing to give him a chance this year as I thought Grimes might be able to "manage" his limitations. The first game he did. The second game he was exposed for the Division II QB that he is.

    Time to move on: Mangum with his life outside of football and BYU with a new QB that has a chance to make us competitive against good treams.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Sept. 10, 2018 7:29 a.m.

    Once again, the most popular player on the team is the backup quarterback.
    Cougar fans need to accept reality with this team. The problems won't be fixed overnight and certainly not by replacing Mangum and starting over with a new QB.
    With the schedule they are facing, the most likely outcome for this season, (if they play well,) will be 6-6. If they really get things sorted, 7-5 could be plausible.
    Either outcome would be positive and a step forward, in my opinion. To expect more is unrealistic.

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    BYU was 1 pass catch short of winning the game against Cal.
    The line game was sloppy, the tackling was suspect, a few of the play calls were not awesome, and it seemed like BYU over looked Cal but the bottom line is that BYU was 1 catch short of winning the game against Cal and there were 3 drops which would have made the difference. Catch the ball!
    Go Cougars, play physical, beat Wisconsin.

  • Ga Bulldog Vernal, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 6:37 a.m.

    I was disappointed that Grimes gave up on the run so early. The game was close and there was no rush to change the game plan. Also it is obvious that the Mangum has not matured into the QB that many thought . Watch the passing plays,he had the time but instead bailed out of the pocket instead stepping up into it . He was twisting, turning and running before he let the plays develope and go through his professions. He may not be ready for this .

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Sept. 10, 2018 6:02 a.m.

    @cjd1

    The 22-point spread actually sounds about right if not even a bit too friendly to Wisconsin. The Vegas line-setters apparently recognize that Wisconsin is not going to pound us like they did last year.

    The Wisconsin-New Mexico game was significantly closer than the score would suggest and New Mexico is not a good team. New Mexico gave Wisconsin a lot of trouble in the first half (before NM had to play its third-string QB because their starter was injured and their usual second string QB had a prior injury).

    I don't think think that there is much chance of us beating Wisconsin, but having watched some of the top ranked teams play for the past 2 weeks I think that Wisconsin really is a top-20, but not top-10, team (and, yeah, I know that they have one #1 vote in the poll).

    I think that we will beat the spread.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Sept. 10, 2018 5:10 a.m.

    I have to agree with you guys. The real issue, I think, is mobility. Tanner doesn't move well after his Achilles injury. I always record the games, and watched it carefully yesterday. The team overlooked Cal and didn't seem prepared. So it is not all on Tanner, but clearly, while he has a strong arm, he's pretty much a statue.

    I was at the game and thought the zebras were really stacking the deck. I reviewed every call Sunday and they were all good. The Big 12 refs did not job the Cougars. Of course, Coach Sitake knows what is really going on. I believe Tanner is part of the issue, but the biggest issue is that the team took Cal lightly and simply weren't prepared. Cal will beat some teams this year. Nobody expects to beat Wisconsin, including every Wisconsin player. They will take BYU lightly.

    Time to try out Zach and get tough. They'll be expecting another easy game.

  • Flynn Ryder Orem, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:51 a.m.

    I like Tanner but he isn't getting the job done. It would not have hurt anything to put in Wilson for a series or two to get some momentum back in a totally winnable game. Wilson is the future, but his time is now.

  • Cougarbib2 Moorpark, CA
    Sept. 9, 2018 11:37 p.m.

    Anyone that thinks replacing Mangum fixes the problem we saw Saturday should be warded an honorary masters degree in over simplification.

    We had huge issues with blocking and dropped passes. Coaching decisions on 3rd and 4th down situations cost us at least 2 field goals. Think about what a difference 3-6 points would have made.

    Blocking for the run game and pass protection was poor.

    And, from what I observed at the game, two CAL touchdowns came on blown coverage issues. Other than those two blown coverage issues, the defense did enough to win this game. I have hope that play by our DBS will improve.

    But, just look at the photo of the pass to Dylan Collie that he dropped - right on the money. I think our receivers were hearing footsteps.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    Sept. 9, 2018 10:35 p.m.

    @jello is good
    I’m totally with you...please Kalani....give the youngster a try. Mangum is just not the guy. The longer you stay with him, the more likely BYU repeats last years mess...that won’t be good for Cougar nation ....and your job security.
    No doubt he will make some freshman mistakes, but fans will accept that ....more than a senior, making freshman mistakes. Mangum says the right things....but repeatedly fails when the pressure is on. He is also moves slow when he has an open field in front of him. We have seen that all too many times. Give the kid a try...and start building something good.

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Sept. 9, 2018 10:33 p.m.

    The line opened at -22 Wisconsin. I would take out a second mortgage on Wisconsin.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Sept. 9, 2018 8:32 p.m.

    Please, please, please... new qb please?

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 9, 2018 7:14 p.m.

    Sadly this will be a beat down of epic proportions! I’m betting that this will be Mangums final start as a Cougar.