Jello,trying to see your point - not sure I do.So say
Tanner struggles against Wisconsin. Then Wilson starts against McNassy, and
then Washington, then USU.Depends on how Wilson hypothetically does
against Wisconsin.In certain conditions, I agree with you, is it
more risky to have Wilson sputter against Washington or have Tanner start
against USU?On the safe side, Tanner will almost certainly start
against Wisconsin, and if Tanner starts against Mcnassy Wilson can come in with
no problems, and go out with no problems, and the coaches have a choice against
Washington - but if Wilson starts, there is no walking back on the decision.Under certain circumstances I agree with you, under others I don't
- I guess we'll see what happens. I hope Tanner turns it back on, I think
you're done with him and I totally respect your opinion. In either case it
will be interesting to see what happens.
@london_josh - Lincoln, CASept. 10, 2018 11:13 p.m."What's an OC supposed to do with Tanner - bench him and let a 17
year old freshman get chewed up against Wisconsin?the next 3 games
Tanner should start no matter what!"I completely disagree. If
Mangum struggles against Wisconsin, Wilson should start against McNeese State.
@poyman - Lincoln City, ORSept. 10, 2018 9:29 a.m.@jello"It's not Mangum."Yes it is and it has been for
over two years.******"Baloney.... try some
objectivity, it works, unless one's incapable."-----------I am completely capable of objectivity and rational
thought. In Mangum's freshman year his QBR was only better than 2 starting
BYU QB's in 45 years. Last year his QBR was worse than all in the past 45
years. Last game his QBR was the same as last year's average.That is objectivity. That is fact. A slow horse doesn't become fast
just because we want it to. We have given him an opportunity for over two years
and with three different teams around him. He is the constant and losing has
been constant. If we change and it doesn't work, we lose. If we stay with
Mangum, we lose. Only one choice leaves room for hope.
What's an OC supposed to do with Tanner - bench him and let a 17 year old
freshman get chewed up against Wisconsin?the next 3 games Tanner
should start no matter what!In the next 3 games we need to see
Tanner play in all 3, Wilson play in 2, and Hall play in 1.If
Wisconsin gets junk time, let the freshman QBs on the field and break them in.
Against McNassy Tanner shouldn't go more than a quarter. At Washington if
it's junk time then let them back in again.Then comes USU - but
this isn't a video game, the players do have emotions and while I wish they
didn't, Tanner is hot and cold based on how he feels. He gets hot against
Arizona and burns them. He gets frustrated against Cal and it shows in his
passes. Way back in the Utah bowl game in Vegas Tanner had the worst first
quarter ever and was inspiring for the next three quarters. I wish it
wasn't that way, his mechanics are great but he gets in his own head. So
with the freshmen let them ease into service, and while they do the fans need to
stop being so dramatic about the grass being greener with the green QB.
The problem ?It is indeed Mangum.-He's not
mobile.-He still telegraphs his passes. (Does not check off or read the
defenses)-He is not accurate beyond 10 yards.Coaches at BYU
are doing what they always have done, experience (age) always trumps talent.Seniority rules.So much for Grimes' commitment to only play the
best players.It's Kevin Feterick and Riley Nielson all over
again.-Chow's good friend was Kevin's Father.-Bronko
played Riley even with a broken back.BYU just got beat by an 18 year
old Freshman.BYU's best talent at QB (Wilson) is an 18 year old
freshman. #Play the Kid... Coaches !Or move over.... We're tired of this one note samba.I will pay no more mind to
BYU football this year, until Mangum is holding a clipboard.
mistakes happen usually when you are out matched physically
Mangum, Mangum, Mangum. No it is not entirely Mangums fault. Others committed
their mistakes. But while Mangum started off better than in the past, it is not
what should be expected of a veteran QB. His performance last two years was
deplorable. He gets too rattled when the pressure is on. I'm
with others who say that we should look ahead for the future. Get another QB in
there. If we are going to have another less than lackluster season, let's
at least find out who has the mental sharpness and agility on their feet to lead
the team so we have something to believe in next season. Let's build on
that.Short of this, I say change the coaches. I am tired of coaches
that seem to put deference to a player to stay in a position over what is in the
best interests of the team and program.
Mangum is only as good as his offensive line BYU's biggest
problems are as follows:1. Independence2. Lack of speed3. Independence4. No more players from Ricks College5.
Independence6. Poor play from the OL & DL
@jello"It's not Mangum."Yes it is and it
has been for over two years.******Baloney.... try some
objectivity, it works, unless one's incapable.
If Mangum's next performance is anything like it was against a mediocre PAC
12 team, pull'm. He's done! Let's start building the future
@ArizonaUte - SLC, UTSept. 9, 2018 10:26 a.m."It's
not Mangum."Yes it is and it has been for over two years.
I was really hopeful that BYU would 2-0 I don't expect a win at Wisconsin
or Washington, But Cal should have been a win. I'm tired of seeing Mangum
throw off target, then when he threw on target they dropped the ball, just a ton
of mental mistakes, It was as if at half time the team started doubting that
they could win. If it wasn't for Cal loosing the ball it would have been
The problem is straight up a scheduling problem. In the old days they would beat
up on the small schools and then have their important game against Utah. After
that, it would be go to a bowl game and get blown out by a real P5 team. I was
at the Holiday Bowl after Detmer won the Heisman and Texas A&M made BYU look
like a junior high team. They really aren't any worse than they were in the
past. They are just playing quality teams during the season that they
didn't play until they lost to them in bowl games in the old days.
If Mr Harmon is right about the Cougar’s acceptance of mediocrity over
several seasons, my question would be who could blame them?We’ve
jammed these football kids into some nether-world, almost intramural,
non-conference affiliated limbo, with near no incentive to play for whatsoever
except...playing well, at minimum enough to remain on scholarship.
It was clear watching that game that Tanner just didn't have it, period,
and so a change of quarterbacks was in order at the very least at halftime.It would have thrown Cal off for sure...our freshman QB is the better
runner. Oh, and Cal has three quarterbacks, didn't know who
they were going to start, so why can't we do the same thing? The coaches said they don't want the starting quarterback looking over
his shoulder, well why not?Try Nick Saban on for size - he changed
his quarterback in the middle of the national title game.
blue & white - Boise, IDHow do you expect him to look for 2,3,4
when the offensive line was so poor?
Oh Really? - Salt Lake City, UTSept. 9, 2018 10:54 a.m.@ ninersIf BYU were in a P5 their recruiting would improve, just like
Utah’s has. And if BYU were in a P5, Utah’s recruiting
would get worse. Some recruits choose Utah over BYU because Utah is in the PAC.
You think Britain Covey chose Utah because of Utah’s years of
stable and spectacular offensive performance?------Covey
chose Utah for the same reason Whittingham and the PAC-12 did. It's THE
University of Utah not a dumpster fire down south.Players like
Huntley and Moss would never choose Provo. Which is why BYU would never be like
P5 Utah. You would be the annual P5 bottom feeder like Oregon State and
Time to bench the senior and bring in the frosh. Let's see what Zach can
do...it can't be any worse.
As long as Mangum is driving this ship, this is what you get. I cannot believe
the coaches simply chose to ignor last year. We are doomed to repeat history,
and that is if we are lucky. I guess we can start to wonder who next years
quarterback and football coach will be. Tanner needs to quit football and focus
on his education, he will be needing it after this year.
Very frustrating, IMO Tanner just doesn't have it. He did do some things I
have wanted to see like going from 1st to 2nd to 3rd receivers but he still
panics and rushes his throws, His side arm delivery is troublesome too. He has
no mobility, I would like to see Wilson or Hall both are young agile and seem
to have instincts Tanner doesn't have.Both the O line and the D line
were not effective,
Sure there were dropped passes and other things which need correction. The real
problem with the football program was the decision to go independent which BYU
thought would result in joining a P5 conference. That will not happen and the
very difficult schedule with a number of P5 games will continue to drag the
program down as well as recruiting to a program which at least in my opinion
will not result in a winning record. Does anyone really think BYU will win
games against Wisconsin, Washington, Boise St. and several others. In my
opinion that future schedules should be re-evaluated as well as the possibility
of joining the Mountain West Conference.
Flew in from Colorado. So a bit ticked about the lackluster performance.
Horrible play calling- pre-programmed 3 plays in a row to Hoge. No ability to
change what is not working? Too much pre-programming and not enough in game
adjustments. New offensive coaches again? Another series- 3 and out and Mangum
does not throw it down field to give the team a chance? Throw it 2 yards?
Mangum needs to look beyond the one guy he is looking at. You can blame the
receivers in part for sure, but how about throw it to their numbers instead over
their heads? Hey D News about about discussing the OL horrible performance?
The one you touted so much last week? Looked like swiss cheese in the 2nd half.
Mangum does not perform well when pressured. If numerous games are any
indication. How about playing Wilson and getting him up to speed for the future
or even better Hall? Going to lose big against Wisconsin and Washington with
Mangum anyway. A QB can make such a difference to a season.
Is it too soon to ask what the names are to replace Kalani Sitake? This shows Ty
was’t as bad as he was blamed for, and when both UT State and UTAH beat
BYU there will only be Kalani to blame. Gary Crowden was 1 and 2, Kalani will
have the same record.
Catch that ball! WHATEVER comes after is bread and butter!
Teach the defensive back field players to turn their head to find the ball. PI
has got to stop. Tanner needs to stand in the pocket longer to find read
2,3,4. How about playing Zack a series or two or three against Wisconsin
so he can get a feel for speed of the game.
Did you notice what happened in the game between North Carolina and Eastern
Carolina? Eastern literary smoked North Carolina. A team that Cal needed 4
interceptions, one was a pick 6, just to barely beat . Combine that piece of
information with what happened in the Arizona vs Houston game and the average
person out to be able to put that information together and come to a logical
conclusion about how good the BYU football team is.
What's the surprise. As mentioned before, BYU is trying to train an
offensive coordinator rather than hire one. I is clear that NIU, USU, and UH
will be tough games, probably more than we can handle. I hate to see the
football program crash and burn but we need to work with experienced assistants
and an established head coach. The present cast may learn their jobs in a few
years, but the way this program is headed we will be playing before half full
stadiums and the games with Wyoming will be a real challenge. An offense
built around the five yard pass and 15 yard deep drops is a loosing proposition.
The issue with BYU last night was focus and preparation. We can try and pin the
loss on any one thing but it was a combination of items all going back to focus
and preparation. In the first half Tanner was throwing on count. He was under
center and doing what he was supposed to do. In the second half he was throwing
late, waiting for receivers to completely open up instead of anticipating the
open space and throwing to spots. More disastrous than that was the fact than
when he hit receivers they were dropping balls. They dropped balls in key
situations where they only needed a first down or in one case a touchdown was
lost due to poor concentration. Had those passes been caught California would
have changed their defense which would have opened the run game. Football
is a game of focus and preparation. BYU, yesterday, had neither of those in
play. I am looking forward to a rebound this next week. I know we are
playing Wisconsin but the Cougars can play physically where last year it caused
them angst. Go Cougars! We support you.
I agree with @Brent Orme--dropped passes completely deflated the offense. Tanner
threaded the needle repeatedly, only to have the ball dropped. That said, any
time something like that starts to happen, on-the-field leadership really needs
to kick in and rally the team to rachet the energy level back up and do what
they know how to do. The fans have a responsibility here, as well.
I'm a little disappointed to see the rapidity of the fans turning on the
coaches and players and resorting to angry finger pointing. It's obvious
the team has the skills and the ability. This is a mental-game issue, and can be
solved. Who's going to step up?
This loss is on coaching. Mangum should never had started the 4th quarter; he
should have been pulled halfway through the third quarter after the first
interception. I understand that Mangum wasn't the only player to make
mistakes; but did you not feel the dread in your hearts growing exponentially
when you started to see the reruns of 2017 replaying in front of your eyes? If
I could sense it, why on earth could the coaches not figure it out? It sure
would have been easier to have brought Wilson in and give him a taste of
collegiate action then versus having to bring him in cold turkey to start
against Wisconsin. Tanner Mangum gets first qtr against Wisconsin; nothing
doing? Pull him and put in Wilson. Arizona was nothing more than Portland State
of last year. Heaven help us! BYU Coaches act! and stop this train wreck
before it happens!
Wait,how did byu-p lose?After all we heard they have the jet sweep
Is it too soon to talk about the ghost of Gary Crowden? Two loosing seasons =
coaching change. Only in Ty Detmers case it was only one.
First of all, the officials were from the Big12, not PAC12. Just like last week.
There were some really bad calls and no calls, but you can’t blame it on
PAC12 bias.I can’t put this all on Mangum. CAL made
adjustments at half and shut down our offense completely—coaching. Our
defense created turnovers but could not stop the running QB’s. They
converted nearly every 3rd down in the 2nd half—defensive coaching. The
running game disappeared and Mangum was getting heavily
pressured—offensive line.I would agree, however, that it would
help a great deal if our QB was even a little bit a running threat.
I will always be a Y fan. However, as of now for this year I am predicting nine
losses. I think Utah State, UNI and U Mass will take us down, along with the
rich and famous. This is my view at this time. If they manage to turn the
offense around...different story.
I'm certainly sorry to see that the offense struggled last night to light
up the scoreboard. That said, I have so much respect for Ty Detmer that I trust
people will acknowledge that the quality of the offense (or defense, for that
matter) is not dependent upon just one coach. Ty took the fall for last
year's debacle on offense, but if last night is a harbinger of things to
come, the offensive woes still exist even though Ty is no longer the OC. Go
SUNNY ALL DAY:I almost would say that BYU has no "easily
winnable" games at this point. Yes, McNeese State is FCS but they are 2-0
and have the ability to score points. Maybe you mean New Mexico State, I might
agree with that one. Hawaii is 3-0 though their schedule is suspect. If you
mean Northern Illinois, they were ahead of Utah at half and that game was in
doubt until the final minutes. That will be a tough game for BYU. Don't
count on an easy win against UMass based on what happened last year. And the
game is at UMass. A repeat of 4-8 is very possible if BYU doesn't get its
act together. I did predict 7-5 on these blog posts before but real worried
based on what I saw last night and the fact that AZ got run over by Houston
suggesting the Wildcats are in for a very awful year.
There is, as I see it, a fatal problem with the "Elite 11" program. It
ends up too often featuring the best "contest" QB talent, and too rarely
the real gamers. I'm thinking Joe or Beau could give us just as good a
chance vs Wisconsin. Or Zack. Or Jalen. The biggest offensive deficiency is
clearly in both ends of the passing game. Our briefly vaunted O-line was
pretty ineffective last night, too, as was the D line. Is this bunch too lazy to
completely put it out there every game of their own accord? Do we not have
enough depth to give these guys a rest in rotation? These many incremental
failures keep politely being called "mistakes". Players need to take it
upon themselves to stop allowing failure to be an option...refuse to lose...and
stop being polite about it. MAKE IT HAPPEN, COUGARS !!!!
@bigtimecoug“Yes, right now this awful BYU team could not
compete in the PAC12, but if Utah can't prove anything this year, then
they're not much better off.”Yes, but this comment right
here proves just how bad it’s gotten for BYU. First at no point since 1990
would a BYU team be able to compete in a major conference. But to the point,
until last season BYU fans wouldnt admit Utah’s football program was on
BYUs level, let alone “slightly” better (as you just did). Reality
hit BYU and it’s fans hard last season when your hardest schedule in
school history completely smashed you, and it didn’t even break a top 70
SOS. If BYU was in the PAC a bowl game would simply not be in the cards for
BYU. If BYU was in the SEC they’d have 2 win seasons on a good year.
While the loss was disappointing let's not be so quick to jump on and off
the Byu bandwagon. Right now I only see two games that feel like certain wins
ie: McNeese St &NMS, but there' are lots of games left and things can
change during a season.
Wow, there is a lot of criticism towards the coaches and players. I place the
blame squarely on the shoulders of the athletic director. They players and
coaches are doing all they can. Bless their little hearts. BYU has
absolutely no business scheduling P5 teams. Why do they do it? We all know it is
almost an automatic loss. If they would just schedule teams from
their same division, McNeese State, Grand Canyon, Snow College, Simon Fraser,
The Academy of Art, etc., we would have an excellent chance of having a .500
season and maybe, just maybe have enough wins to go to a bowl game.
Well, there you have it. No leadership at quarterback. Sorry Mangum, you need
some assertiveness training. Get mad, take charge, lead from the front. Do
anything but slide back to last year. Bring in the freshman. He may surprise
you. Invest in the future BYU.
BYU struggled to put up 28 points against AZ.Houston put up 31 points in
the 1st half against AZ.The win against AZ has gone from epic to
whatever.What now?There are 4 easily winnable games left on the
schedule.Add in 3 beat downs and 3 toss-ups.Blue goggled
optimism...8 and 4.A reprise of 2017 issues...5 and 7 might be optimistic.
Surprised no one in the media has commented about the two wasted time-outs used
by BYU in the first half because the offense was in disarray and couldn't
get the play called in time. Whether that was the coaches or the players, or a
combination of both, it sure made the Y look flat and unprepared to play. That
was confirmed by the scoreboard and all the stats, particularly in the 3rd
quarter. I don't get how a "lull" can occur in mid-week if you are
a team that wants to succeed. Like driving a race car, it takes concentration
every minute. I wouldn't mind seeing a change at the QB position if that
would help, but the defense needs work too, especially getting some pressure on
the QB. One blogger wrote that the Cal QB had time to eat dinner; I dispute
that---he had time to read War and Peace.
@Drano"How long will he continue to ride a QB who has regressed
season by season since his freshman year? I hope not too long. Tanner is a nice
guy, but as a QB, he is what he is and you can’t change that after 6 years
of being around the program."This says so much. Coming out of
high school Mangum was a highly rated recruit. Recall Heaps? The top rated qb
his year. It's been a long time since BYU can claim to have further
developed qb's during their time at BYU. Now contrast that to a program
that has been declared the best in the nation in developing lower rated recruits
to NFL level talent. Big difference.
Arizona is plain bad and Cal is probably in the 30 percentile. BYU should look
to scheduling top tier Big Sky teams then these bottom feeders. It better pick
up or the end of the program is surely near.
I really would like to see Steve Clark doing the offensive play calling. He was
the OC at SUU and Weber and their offenses moved the ball. I think the problem
with Grimes is much the same as Detmer, they don't have the experience of
calling plays during the actual games. This is a skill that takes time to
develop. When you have a guy on staff that has done that and done it pretty
well, he should be doing it. I don't want to see Roderick doing it either,
seen it all when he was at Utah, less than impressed.
@ bluecoughuskyMagic happensAnd the Pac-12 refs
weren’t very good. Funny stuff
BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CASept. 9, 2018 9:19 a.m.I'm not
going to echo Uteology's joyful pessimism. -----No
instead you prefer to live in fantasy land and make excuses.The
PAC-12 officials were bad this game but you had ZERO complaints against Arizona?
Typical BYU fan. Why don't you just jump on Washington bandwagon now.I had BYU beating Cal, because it looked like BYU was good enough to
beat a Cal team with no offense and a 2 QB system at LES.I was
wrong, BYU is worse. Now even NIU, Hawaii, and Utah State look like they can
Niners,Cool story, but byu has been playing the same type of
schedule for years now. And remember that Utah wouldn't be in bowl games
if they scheduled hard out of conference teams.So BYU just got a
wake up call, next 3 games have a win and 2 losses then we'll see who BYU
is from there. I'm still saying 7 or 8 wins.Boise could be
dominated at the lines and Utah's offense is pathetic this year.I'll tell you one thing for sure, if BYU was in the PAC they'd get
those nifty PAC officials helping them out on the road. That was interesting
last night to say the least.
"Against Cal, you could say, BYU legitimately left one touchdown out there
on Ghandwoloku’s recovery of that mishandled fourth-quarter punt. It
should have been a punch-in score. And with a few crucial third-down
conversions, other drives could have ended in points or at least, some field
goals." -- Dick Harmon -----Or you can stop crying
and say...Cal has a good defense. Give Cal credit for stepping up
when it needed to by stopping BYU.NIU also has good defense, they
did a great job against Utah. Arizona's defense is joke, BYU
was only able to outplay them on 3 3rd Qtr drives.
What happened to the LSU style offense that Grimes was going to bring over? Oh
yeah, BYU doesn't have the talent. After seeing all of the tough talk from
BYU fans about how terrible the Pac 12 is, it's hilarious to see them
barely beat Arizona who is just atrocious and then lose to a mediocre Cal at
home. If the Pac 12 is bad, then BYU is just abysmal.
@CougarForeverNorthern Illinois didn't look good, Utah just
looked horrible on offense. We will beat both.-----What
are you talking about, Utah's offense is light years better than BYU.NIU has a legit defense, they were good last year as well. Their offense
was horrible, in particular the passing game against Utah's to rated
secondary.Your secondary gets beat often, ends up tackling the WR to
save a TD. Look for NIU to beat BYU.
@niners:Your argument might carry some weight but for one thing:
this BYU team is historically bad. So far, BYU has played 2 PAC12 teams that
couldn't compete for a MWC title. And, if you've watched USC's
last 2 games, you've realized that they're not very good, either.
Throw in UCLA, and once again you have the weakest P5 conference. This
year's PAC12 South is as weak as it's been since Utah joined the
PAC12, yet there's a good chance Utah won't even win it this year.
Yes, right now this awful BYU team could not compete in the PAC12, but if Utah
can't prove anything this year, then they're not much better off.
watched both the utah and byu games. i was not impressed by either team at
all. 5-7 wins by both wouldn't shock me this season, based on early
results.in some ways, it seems that neither team has a clear plan on
offense. both teams have respectable defenses.
@ ninersIf BYU were in a P5 their recruiting would improve, just
like Utah’s has. And if BYU were in a P5, Utah’s
recruiting would get worse. Some recruits choose Utah over BYU because Utah is
in the PAC. You think Britain Covey chose Utah because of
Utah’s years of stable and spectacular offensive performance?
BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CASept. 9, 2018 9:19 a.m.And the
zebra's were what we've come to expect from the PAC12 officiating at
LES. VERY strange calls. The film will be interesting to see.-------------Funny how byu fans always assume its a pac 12 crew
and some officiating conspiracy when they lose.The crew was from the
Big 12 last night.There goes that theory.
Last week after the win over Arizona I read where various influences came in the
new offense - the jet sweep from LSU, etc. In watching the last half of last
nights game I felt the biggest influence, by far, was the Detmer offense.
Enough credit was not given.
I'm a little surprised by the doom and gloom here. BYU has a better offense
than last year. Last year's team would have lost the game to Arizona and
called in sick for the Cal game. This is about incremental progress - not some
magic bullet that fixes everything in one year. Cheer up folks!See
ya'll on November 24th
It's not Mangum.He was pressured all night, WR did drop a
couple themselves, but most were due to defenders knocking the ball out while
attempting the catching.When your team has only 91 rushing yards,
combined, in a game, it's going to be tough sledding.AZ is a
terrible defense and not a good team overall. The win over AZ was a mirage.
Cal has a decent defense. And was much more of a real test.AZ had a
patch-quilt make shift OL as well. Making your defensive front seem a lot
better than they were. We know a lot more now. But one thing is
for certain. BYU IS better this season than last. That doesn't mean they
are great, it just means they are better. They are taking a step in the right
Remember when BYU fans used to say they’d compete in a P5 conference back
when they were playing the WAC or worse for over half their schedule
(2011-2015)? Now they are getting a small taste of a P5 schedule for one season
and two games into a second season. Where would your wins come from in the PAC?
You’d have to play ASU, Utah, USC and Colorado. On a hard year add
Oregon, Stanford and Washington. On an easy year replace Washington with Oregon
State or Cal. BYU would never make a bowl in what they call “the worst P5
conference”. And I mean NEVER. In fact, I don’t see BYU making a
bowl through 2021 with their current watered down P5 schedule.
I'm not going to echo Uteology's joyful pessimism. But my seats are
excellent, under the press box. What I saw was ... inexplainable. Mangum has a
fine arm. But his passes seem to arrive late (or we just have lousy receivers).
Clearly, BYU seemed to be still celebrating the Arizona game (who now are
exposed). And Mangum is immobile. This game needed an agile QB.The
Cal defense deserves credit for disrupting the BYU offense. But on a couple of
occasions we had some very strange calls that stopped drives. Offensive pass
interference? Some key no-calls too. But the offense play calling seemed to be
flat. Nothing worked. The O-line could not open holes. Finally: where is Coach
Grimes? No press interviews. Fury could explain his absence. But he also seemed
absent during the game. Where were the plays?And the zebra's
were what we've come to expect from the PAC12 officiating at LES. VERY
strange calls. The film will be interesting to see.I still think BYU
will go 8-4. I don't think they will collapse. But clearly, they were not
prepared to play Cal last night. This is on the coaches.
This was a disappointing loss. There is a lot of talk about the receivers
dropping passes, but I wonder if those passes were on the money for them to
catch?I guess we all are looking for answers, but sadly I think it
will be several weeks before we win again and by then most of the enthusiasm for
this season will be gone. The only way to elevate the mood is for the Cougs to
win. In my opinion, the coaches should play whoever they think can get points
on the board, if that means trying Zach Wilson then so be it!
It wasn't Detmer's fault. Mangum just doesn't have it. Yes,
injuries last year. Dropped passes this game. But BYU QB's of the 70s and
80s and even 90s hit the open guy. The offense put pressure on the defense.
Defenses can only cover a guy so long. Mangum can't hit an open guy. I
don't know if Wilson can hit an open receiver in a game, but after the
Cougars lose by 30 next week, it'll be time to find out.
Is anybody really surprised?
No, BYU was haunted by the ghost of Tanner Magnum of 2017. If the coaches
cannot see that he is incapable of leading this team, they should not be
coaching at this level. The win against AZ was meaningless, as they are
horrible. The games against Wisconsin, Washington, Boise, and Utah will be
blowouts and we will get to relieve the horrors of last year if Magnum is at QB.
BYU fans and media got way too excited over a win against possibly the worst
defense in division 1, and BYU only scored 28 points. BYU has 4 85% or higher
losses according to FPI (Wis, wash, Utah, BSU) 2 50% or greater (NIU, USU) and I
would t overlook Hawaii. Looks like another losing season.
Tough loss. But to put it into perspective, Cal has been the 2nd worst team in
the Pac-12 just in front of Oregon State. If Arizona (0-2) keeeps on
its trajectory it could find itself at the bottom of the league.
So who will Sitake pick as his scape goat this year? Grimes is no better than
Detmer. This team lacks creativity on either side of the ball!
PATHETIC. The BYU sidelines was the same as last year... SILENT from kick off
to.......they could have cared less about winning. Bench Mangum for crying out
BYU's offense haunted by mistakes of 2017?No, they are haunted
by the same lack of talent. Mangum is now 1-7 vs P5 as a starter. The OL that Dick claimed looked like the old 80s and 90s teams was a mirage
casued by a really weak AZ defense.This is who BYU is today,
trending to 3rd in state. Time for Dick and Co. to face reality.
KS is in over his head. " its the coaches fault, but the players made to
many mistakes* to paraphrase. Meaning, I don't know what to do. After
watching byu football/basketball for 60 years it seems those two programs have
settled for just having teams while the other teams are having success. There is
no excitment in byu football whether by the coaching or the players. It's a
Disappointing game. I hate to say it, but Cal deserved to win by about 3
points.Also disappointing is that our victory over AZ was diminished
by AZ's 45-18 loss at Houston.We still will have a good season
including a bowl game, but I expected us to beat Cal. The problems should be
fixable -- a few dropped passes, minor confusion regarding assignments, slight
passing "misalignment", etc.Regarding future opponents:Wisconsin, despite their lofty ranking, actually seem to have regressed
-- lowly New Mexico posed a threat until their starting QB was injured. I
don't expect us to beat Wisconsin but it won't be a 40-6 beat-down and
I think we even play them close.Washington is going to be an angry
team all season -- I would hate to be Utah next Saturday (especially given how
bad the Ute offense is) and we also will be one of their victims.Boise State and, unfortunately, Utah State look really good. These will be
tough games.Hawaii is a surprising 3-0 but I doubt they challenge
us.Northern Illinois didn't look good, Utah just looked
horrible on offense. We will beat both.UMass and New Mexico State
look awful. Clear wins for us.McNeese State = automatic win.
Ok, I will be the first to say it: Change the QB. The feel good story is over.
Cal had the guts to go with their RS freshman and he actually got better as the
game progressed. TM actually got worse. It was visible to everyone. I saw it
with the first few possessions. If I could see the meltdown, so could the
coaches. If TM is still our "best hope" then we will definitely have
another losing season. Unbelievable. This is NOT a knee jerk reaction...we have
ALL seen it for years. It's time for Wilson. Some players are better in
practice than in games.
Captain Obvious here, but whatever goodwill Kalani and his crew built up for
their win at Arizona is gone. How long will he continue to ride a QB who has
regressed season by season since his freshman year? I hope not too long.
Tanner is a nice guy, but as a QB, he is what he is and you can’t change
that after 6 years of being around the program. He’s not the only reason
they lost, but he’s a big percentage of the problem in the equation. Next
up, Wisconsin. Time to take a vacation to Cancun because I’m not watching
the Badgers steamroll the Cougars. It is going to be ugly. I see a repeat of
the LSU game where we couldn’t get the ball over the 50 yard line. Man,
this is a complete letdown. I would conclude with Go Cougs but what’s
Nice recount! No QB can win when you have 12-DROPPED passes! Get receivers!!!!!
It was awesome traveling to Tucson last week to witness the win; but,
infuriating that one successful game killed motivation to stay tough a second
week after eight months of purported frustration. We suck in Provo
against quality opponents. When was the last time we beat a quality opponent
there...2015 against Boise State?Cal's offense owned our
defense on the line of scrimmage pushing us back at will. I think Jeff Grimes
can right the ship offensively; but, who can beef up our defense? We don't
have eight months to figure out Wisconsin at Camp Randall.
We don’t want 2017 update 2.0. We want 2018.1.0. As much as
I hate to say it, Mangum has a lot to do with it, apparently.