Should America #AbolishICE?

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  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    Sept. 14, 2018 7:23 a.m.

    Sex illegal can't vote how does that benefit Democrats maybe some voter fraud but not of that magnitude

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    Google-----
    "President Clinton's State of the Union address of 1995......standing ovation for Rhetoric on Illegal Immigration"

    "President Clinton's State of the Union address of 1996....we are a nation of laws".

    "Candidate H. Clinton brags about her vote for a border fence to keep illegal Immigrants out of America".

    I support the Clintons stand on Illegal Immigration.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Sept. 11, 2018 8:40 a.m.

    "Abolish ICE so that my friends and compatriots can freely move across the border".......signed by well known Latino activists and businesses who want low labor costs (and throw in a few politicians and Chambers).

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Sept. 10, 2018 10:01 a.m.

    There is a common misconception with the issue of separating children from detained illegal alien parents, and it needs to be cleared up. First, not every child accompanied by an adult is actually with their parent, or even a relative.

    ICE policies don't state that they must separate children. Trump didn't tell ICE to separate children from the adults they traveled with. Neither did Obama or Bush, but it happened under their administrations as well.

    The courts told ICE that they could not incarcerate children with their adult companions in facilities not specifically built to properly handle adults and children. No one wanted to build such facilities, so the courts directed that the children go into Child Protective Services or foster care.

    All Trump did was tell ICE to enforce immigration law on every person who has broken it.

    There are two possible solutions to the illegal immigration problem. Change the law, and stop trying to have a sovereign nation. Or make it so difficult to get in the US and stay illegally that people stop doing it.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Sept. 9, 2018 9:15 p.m.

    Yes, abolish ICE and replace it with something much more strict and effective.

    Something that actually protects the borders and provides a legal path to citizenship.

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    Sept. 9, 2018 1:50 p.m.

    As the former head of ICE has pointed out in the news many times in the past month, 89% of those arrested this past year had a criminal record. They are doing a great job.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Sept. 8, 2018 7:50 a.m.

    @ 2 bits

    "Nobody on the Left so far has even tried to answer BleedCougarBlue's question...Why is nobody even trying to answer it?"

    Because it's a red herring.

    Because it's hyperbolic.

    Because it doesn't reflect reality.

    Because it's campaign rhetoric and campaign rhetoric is just that - rhetoric. It over-simplifies, overstates and casts positions in the starkest terms possible. But it's rhetoric. Unfortunately, because we are now always in campaign mode, it never stops and apparently mere repetition has led some to believe it's true.

    It isn't. Most things cast in binary black/white or either/or terms aren't. Humans and human problems aren't that simplistic. So please approach with healthy skepticism anyone that attempts to present issues that way. They're either mistaken or trying to exploit something for their own good.

  • KHS UK, 00
    Sept. 8, 2018 1:21 a.m.

    We need to also remember the C stands for customs. I image drug smugglers would like to get rid of ice as would the sex traffickers and coyotes. It makes illegal activity much easier. Maybe ice needs to attend these demonstrations with police to see how many foreign nationals are trying to influence our process. There might be Russians in there.

    If you dont like the laws get congress to change them in the meantime enforce them completely.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:40 p.m.

    any reasonable person knows we need our borders secure. Do we really want a repeat of the 911 hijackings???

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:35 p.m.

    silo

    A misdemeanor can include a year in jail. So yes we do separate parents from children here.

    You are ignoring the felonies many commit by working here illegally.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:20 p.m.

    No just abolish liberal foolishness

  • PLM Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:47 p.m.

    Abolish ICE and replace it with what? Yes we've had our Social Security number used fraudulently in Florida, had a credit card acct used fraudulently in Southern Cal to purchase cell phones from Spain (what the?) had friend's houses broken into in San Diego...We live far enough from the porous borders in Utah that we are somewhat immune to the crimes in areas closer. If ICE can help protect U.S. citizens from the illegal activities that may accompany illegal aliens why is anyone complaining? Keep ICE; obey the laws of this country and you have no reason to worry or protest.

  • Neanderthal Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 5:27 p.m.

    silo:
    "The issue is that per Federal code, illegal entry by a foreign national is a simple misdemeanor, and is not a crime that justifies incarceration, nor seizure of children and separation."

    The process is called 'catch (arrest) and release.' While illegal immigrants are incarcerated and taken to court to plead their case, or to set a court date, the children are separated. If the illegal had not crossed the border but had followed the proper and appropriate procedure to gain access to America, the children would not be separated.

    "Not to mention it runs afoul of the Constitution's 8th amendment position on punishment fitting the crime."

    Neither children or illegal immigrant parents are being punished. They're simply being separated for a spell while Government laws for illegal entry are being executed.

    "We don't separate the children of US citizens when they commit simple misdemeanors because our society would never tolerate it. Why should it be different with foreign nationals."

    It's gotta be more than a misdemeanor. People don't get arrested and detained for a misdemeanor (speeding ticket, for example). But, they do get arrested for illegal entry.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    @SMcloud - 12:08
    RE: "I do find separating families from children for months abominable and shameful though"...
    ---
    You are aware that children were often separated when Obama was President also... right?

    There were lots of "unaccompanied Minors" entering when he was President too. Google it.

    Clinton admin too.

    Google "Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996"...

    Wikipedia:
    "This act states that immigrants unlawfully present in the United States for 180 days but less than 365 days must remain outside the United States for three years unless they obtain a pardon. If they are in the United States for 365 days or more, they must stay outside the United States for ten years unless they obtain a waiver. If they return to the United States without the pardon, they may not apply for a waiver for a period of ten years.

    Among other things, it explicitly gave the Attorney General broad authority to construct barriers along the US-Mexico border and authorized the construction of a secondary layer of border fencing to buttress the already completed 14 mile primary fence"...

    If Trump proposed this law... you would flip out.

    Clinton does it... that's fine.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 3:08 p.m.

    RE: "BleedCougarBlue 7:51's question"...
    ---
    Nobody on the Left so far has even tried to answer BleedCougarBlue's question.

    It's a valid question.

    It's a simple question.

    It's a serious question.

    Why is nobody even trying to answer it?

    He asks a simple question. "Why is it ok for every single country in the world EXCEPT America to protect their borders?"...

    In other words... Why is it only wrong for the USA to enforce their borders and their laws Democrats?

    I'll be waiting to hear the answer.

    Should no countries in the world have immigration laws, or enforce them? Why just us?

    Other countries have immigration laws, and they enforce them. Why are they not vilified by the Left?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:56 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron 10:52 has a good point.

    I also encourage all Democrats to run on the abolishment of ICE. Open borders should also be adopted as a central feature of their platform. Because then they will lose more elections the would have won otherwise.

    I think Trump's being firmer on Immigration Reform was the main reason he won the Republican Primary, and the 2016 election.

    Well that, and... contracting with Vladimir Putin and ex-FBI director Comey to make Hillary Clinton look bad. It was a "Right-Wing-Conspiracy" I tell you (words or Hillary Clinton back when her husband was getting impeached).

    Take this one and run with it Democrats. Please!

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:51 p.m.

    RE: "Ocasio-Cortez’s immigration platform was especially influential, calling for the abolishment of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency tasked with enforcing the immigration laws of the United States"...
    ---
    So what's the rational for abolishing ICE? They have a legitimate job to do.

    Democrats may not like how ICE is doing it's job. But it has a job to do, and they are trying to do it.

    You can't abolish ICE without abolishing the laws they are tasked with enforcing. Are we ready to do that? Are Democrats ready to completely get rid of our Immigration Laws?

    They talk about it a lot, but I don't think Democrats, or even people like Bernie Sanders are ready to abolish any and all Immigration Laws in the United States. She's WAY out in Left-Field. Even further than Bernie Sanders and his fans.

    As long as we have immigration laws (and we do need immigration laws)... we will need an agency to enforce those laws. Unless... we let Police, or States do it (which even just talking about it got Arizona in a HEAP of trouble with the Federal Government).

    Unless you come up with a replacement for ICE... or get rid of our laws... it won't work Democrats.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:39 p.m.

    silo

    It's a civil infraction and a crime (misdemeanor) to cross the border, once here working, I-9 perjury, id theft and social security fraud are all felonies.

    Not to mention it's a felony to hire a person here illegally, and a misdemeanor to supply housing (Federal law).

    The problem would be solved by making e-verify mandatory with stiff fines. A wall would be a second deterrent. From the article, it sounds like most Americans know this, so when will our leaders act on it?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    This is why I appreciate Independent voices that have made a differentiation between liberals and "leftists". Most born and dyed in the wool Democrats/Liberals do not want ICE to be abolished and want fair and consistent immigration laws.

    As a Libertarian, it is the alt-right and antifa/ultralib fringes that I think are dangerous to the harmony and unity of our country. Take the time to read and truly evaluate the issues on both sides rather than be tempted to resort to knee-jerk responses we see far too often in these comment threads. The truth is most frequently found somewhere between the polar opposites of an issue.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    The whole topic of not allowing children to be held in detention while amnesty requests are processed could be easily solved. Simply require that any amnesty requests be submitted at the U.S. Consulate in their country of origin and the hearings held there. They can wait with their children in their own home.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Sept. 7, 2018 2:17 p.m.

    This is the core of the problem.
    ---
    “The real grievance here ... is the way ICE is going about its work, and that’s a matter of policy and priorities that have shifted dramatically from the prior administration,”
    ---

    US Immigration law should take in to account the long standing 'open door' policy of the US, and in the case of the neighboring countries of Canada and Mexico, not only the long standing association, but the innumerable cross border connections between the US and these two neighbor countries.

    Part of the failure of NAFTA was the lack of provisions for freer cross border activities by citizens of all 3 countries.

    Trump and Co. with their go it alone policies, will only exacerbate the problems along the borders, and especially the southern border with Mexico.

    As for the current population of undocumented aliens, amnesty and bringing them into documented status. ICE should be returned to 'Immigration and Naturalization', and 'Customs'. The later is far more of a policing situation. The combined functions, the policing function has become more the policy and style than previously, to the detriment of those persons seeking to live and work in the US in a peaceful way.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    So the left is pushing for unlimited illegal immigration by abolishing our border patrol and allowing any and all to pour across our borders; especially Al Qaeda and Isis and MS-13.

    And then the left argues that illegal immigrants should get unlimited benefits too--welfare, health care, free everything, as long as they vote Democrat, naturally (Funny how Cuban and Vietnamese immigrants, who tend to vote Republican, are actually punished by the left).

    So the left wants unlimited illegal immigration for an unlimited welfare state. How are we supposed to pay for all of this, leftists? When asked a similar question, the Democrat politician said something like "Just give the illegals the unlimited health care now, and we'll figure out how to pay for it later."

    How about we just put a tax on movie star salaries to pay for everything an illegal immigrant gets to soak the taxpayer for? Plus a tax on abortions. If the left wants illegals to get unlimited everything, let the left pay for it, not the rest of us.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 12:26 p.m.

    ICE is not the problem. Pathetic political leadership is. The problem is sitting behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office composing another Tweet.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 12:08 p.m.

    Abolish ICE? Of course not.

    I do find separating families from children for months abominable and shameful though. Immigrants need to be handled with dignity, no matter their situation.

    America needs to be the leader in human rights. Immigrants are humans too.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    Of course the only people pushing for this are illegals and the democrats who can't win an election without their votes. I say ICE needs to ramp up, work harder, and rid this country of more illegal criminals than ever before.

  • AC_68 Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:27 a.m.

    I just found out that someone's been using my SS#. Yeah, someone in New Jersey is working at a burger joint using my SS#. Wish me luck as I try to clean this mess up.

    *broaden the authority and power of ICE
    *build a wall

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:16 a.m.

    @vanceone
    "If Trump is putting fear into the hearts of the illegals, and they are self deporting... isn't that great?"

    If it runs counter to our federal laws and violates our Constitution? Absolutely not.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    @Neanderthal

    "Family separation is not caused by ICE or any other government agency. Family separation is caused by illegal parents trying to enter the US illegally."

    100% false.

    Prior to Jeff Session's enforcement memo written in April of this year, family separation for first time offenders was never performed. The policy was enacted as a 'deterrent', and WH Chief of Staff Kelly used that exact wording in interviews.

    The issue is that per Federal code, illegal entry by a foreign national is a simple misdemeanor, and is not a crime that justifies incarceration, nor seizure of children and separation. Not to mention it runs afoul of the Constitution's 8th amendment position on punishment fitting the crime.

    This policy was put in place by the Trump administration in April, bragged about as a deterrent in May, and rescinded a few months later by Executive Order when challenged in court.

    We don't separate the children of US citizens when they commit simple misdemeanors because our society would never tolerate it. Why should it be different with foreign nationals.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    @saynotoBO
    "Very credible analyses have put the number at 20 million in 2005 (Robert Justich and Betty Ng)."

    Robert Justich and Betty Ng were both analysts at Bear Stearns. The same Bear Stearns that failed in the financial crisis, requested $25 billion from the US government in the form of a bailout, only to be purchased by JP Morgan. Not much credibility there.

    "Of course, for 8 years of that decade, Obama was keeping score using Napolitano and Johnson. "

    The same dataset goes back to 2001. Obama wasn't president then, so how did Napolitano and Johnson skew those numbers prior to Obama's presidency starting in 2009?

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:56 a.m.

    Of course, this is beyond ridiculous. But look at all the other ridiculous things the far left are pushing for including
    -open borders
    -weak (defund) military,
    -a free ride through college for every person
    -free (socialist) healthcare for all
    -free public transportation
    -free internet
    -shorter work weeks, more benefits
    -free blah, blah, blah....

    Yes, get, get, get... no responsibility for taking care of yourself or your family. Everything must be provided and insured on top of that.

    Sounds good to me!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:41 a.m.

    silo wrote: "Per ICE themselves, the number of illegals in country has remained constant at 11 million for the past decade. There is no 'flood of illegal immigrants'."

    Of course, for 8 years of that decade, Obama was keeping score using Napolitano and Johnson. Data on illegal aliens has always been elusive. Very credible analyses have put the number at 20 million in 2005 (Robert Justich and Betty Ng).

    The incentive to move from the third world to developed nations is a global problem. Ten percent of the world's population wants to live in the US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Australia and Singapore (Gallup 2009).

    Does anyone think that urge somehow abated in 2008?

    The pressure is real. The border is porous. Let us not believe there is no open border threat today.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Can conservatives be any more dense?

    Apparently so!

  • Mr. Bean Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    @SLars:
    "Why does the press keep running down Trump?"

    The reason is... the press is mostly Liberal, i.e., Democrat. And they hate Trump. The hate stems from their presidential candidate, Hillary, being beaten in the last election. They thought they had a shoo-in candidate. Before the election, the press probably couldn't care about Trump.

    @BleedCougarBlue:
    "Why is it ok for every single country in the world EXCEPT America to protect their borders?"

    Many European nations didn't have strict border policies... until the Muslims from the Middle East began pouring in. Those countries now see that, if they leave open borders they will soon become a Muslim nation controlled by Islam's Shariah Law.

    "Yes, that's an honest question. A civil question and I will check back to see your answer."

    The Democrats mostly want open borders because they need more Democrat voters. If they can get more supporters (via the illegal immigrant process) they can count on an ever increasing voter base.

  • Neanderthal Springville, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    @SAS:
    "Should we abolish an agency that had no problem separating kids from their families, and which still hasn't managed to reunite some of those kids? Heck yes."

    Family separation is not caused by ICE or any other government agency. Family separation is caused by illegal parents trying to enter the US illegally.

    "We need a new agency, with a different institutional culture, before people will trust that our laws are being enforced in a reasonable, fair, and humane way."

    Our current immigration laws are reasonable. If someone wishes to come to the US and become a US citizen, What's required is to fill out the appropriate paperwork, get interviewed by the authoritative agency, and get in line. Thousands have done it and succeeded. Any other way may spell doom to the American way of life.

    We need ICE and strong/controlled borders. Let in enough illegals from 3rd world countries and the US would soon become a 3rd world nation.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    Libs
    How about abolishing the IRS as they target conservative groups and separate families when they prosecute tax “evaders”.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    Ask yourself this: When we hear of the "inhumane" and "Brutal" and "terrifying ICE enforcement", and how the illegal immigrant community is scared and are fleeing and going back home in fear they will be arrested and separated from their family, etc etc and all the rest of the fear mongering.....

    Isn't this a good thing? If Trump is putting fear into the hearts of the illegals, and they are self deporting... isn't that great? If he's scaring these people into leaving without having to deport them--I say, good job!

    And if you say, "that's horrible" then I ask: why do you want to destroy the concept of America? We have borders, and you are sad that Trump is protecting them?

    Well, I guess when it comes to the Wall, Trump and conservatives have different ideas of what walls are for from the left. The left loves walls, too: They build them to keep people from fleeing "the people's paradise". The right has to build walls to keep people out of the societies we build.

    Today, Democrats still mourn the fall of the Berlin wall.

  • MaxHeadroom Ticonderoga, NY
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    "Stop being dishonest and divisive! Fake comments = fake news!"
    Wow...
    The story isn't really about the protesters, it's about the Democratic party and their desire to open the borders, and the (sad?) fact that most of their constituents don't want that. So, the question is, how can they highlight any ICE initiatives in a negative way to slowly move their base to agree with the party leadership? Trust me, they will find a way...

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    @mainly me
    "The only reason Democrats want to eliminate ICE is so the country can be flooded with illegal immigrants."

    Per ICE themselves, the number of illegals in country has remained constant at 11 million for the past decade. There is no 'flood of illegal immigrants'.

    Should we eliminate ICE? No.

    Should we hold them accountable to enforce the laws with transparency and accountability? Absolutely.

  • dpal Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:15 a.m.

    Dumb question? If you abolish ICE, what are you going to replace it with? If you say nothing, then you're saying our current illegal immigration situation is acceptable. It isn't! Are you going to replace it with another agency with a different name with basically the same functions? What's the point? If there are abuses within ICE, fix them, but don't get rid of the agency. It exists for a purpose--to enforce immigration laws. And they need to be enforced more than ever. I have no problem with immigration. It just needs to be legal and controlled.

  • JustTheFacts Mesquite, NV
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    This illustrates the idiocy and illegitimacy of the leftist, progressive liberal democrats. Look at the pictures and see who is demonstrating - those that want to open the borders entirely to “everyone.” The Democrats support this so that they can get more votes from people that immediately become dependent on government welfare programs.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 9:13 a.m.

    This story intimate that ICE was a creation of Homeland Security after 9/11. Not so.

    "La Migra" and "Los Federales" have existed for decades. INS used to be their name.

    Truth be told, the new organization of ICE actually WEAKENED immigration enforcement by adding Customs to their plate. Instead of worksite raids they now had the duty of tracking down bogus Gucci handbags.

    Trump was the first to actually give ICE the duty of enforcing the law. GWB was pro-amnesty and practiced de facto amnesty enforcement (or lack of it.) Obama was even less interested and ended the few worksite raids.

    Stategically, Trump rightly believed that it would be good to discourage people from even making the attempt to come here. Obama had made a mess of things at the border with DACA and illegals quickly learned to claim asylum.

    Once you strip away the hype, the question is open borders. We officially have a body of law that spells out an orderly process, allowing 1 million green cards a year from all over the world. Preserving that requires enforcement.

    We have allowed about a million more a year to come here outside the system.

    Open up or crack down?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 7, 2018 8:49 a.m.

    @kolob

    But, there are no "blanks".

    I for one think the name "ICE" is very "cool".

    🤗

  • Aggielove Caldwell, ID
    Sept. 7, 2018 8:17 a.m.

    Is this a real story?

    I think we should abolish 80% of government then.

  • bigfred San Angelo, TX
    Sept. 7, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    You may not be aware, but a large portion of arrests by ICE deal with human trafficking. This agency leads all others, including Interpol, the FBI, and all other agencies in enforcement. I have seen 2 separate reports, both with similar numbers of children and adults being rescued from this horrendous life by ICE. But this does not fit into the narrative being pushed by the main-stream media, or those in the left-wing socialists group, that most folks refer to as the democratic party. Additionally, those that castigate this agency probably couldn't tell you (without an electronic device to read) what ICE stands for. This agency does NOT make the rules, Congress (or the previous occupant of the WH - by fiat) does.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:51 a.m.

    Question for the liberals out there:

    Why is it ok for every single country in the world EXCEPT America to protect their borders?

    Yes, that's an honest question. A civil question and I will check back to see your answer.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:45 a.m.

    I would recommend an overhaul with an emphasis on a new name and eliminating the gestapo look alikes.. The anagram ICE is horrible. Can we design an anagram and then write the name of the organization. IE LOVE , or SAFE or God's Country ???? ( you fill in the blanks ).

  • Hearseman Perkinston, MS
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:39 a.m.

    Kill the messenger! They are only following the law as it is. Get rid of them and we will still have the law. It's the law that needs changed. Most of the Democrats voted for it in the first place.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    "the Democrats not wanting to enforce immigration laws"

    "Democrats want to eliminate ICE"

    Do any of you actually read the story?

    "the majority of Democrats aren’t in favor of abolishing ICE"

    "There was little difference across partisan lines, with similar minorities of Democrats, independents and Republicans favoring abolishing the agency"

    Stop being dishonest and divisive! Fake comments = fake news!

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:34 a.m.

    I would imagine only the truly radical liberals want to abolish ICE. Tweak it, sure. Every agency has issues. These same liberals that want to abolish ICE just want open borders. I'm all for legal immigration. I have 3 nephews that have married girls from other countries. All 3 did it legally. Of course it would have been much faster, and cheaper, to do it illegally, but if we don't follow the law, we're not the US anymore.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    I have the solution.

    If the illegal immigrants want to have ICE abolished, what they need to do is eliminate the need for ICE. If there were no illegal immigrants in the US, there would be no need for ICE.

    So, I say to the illegals here that want to abolish ICE. Please become legal US residents or return to your country of origin.

  • OldSalt94 West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:18 a.m.

    Do away with ICE, do away with border security, do away with anything that stands in the way of “progressives” turning our Constitutional Republic into a socialist cesspool.

    I say NO!

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:13 a.m.

    Great idea. Then let's get rid of the Hiway Patrol and then local PDs and then Sheriffs. No law enforcement get that word (enforcement ) wanted. More hysterical whining from the left. I say expand ICE and turn em loose.

  • RobertBerg53 Draper, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 7:06 a.m.

    This whole "discussion" about abolishing a major law enforcement agency is ridiculous.

    It is nothing but the democrat leadership attempting to do anything but focus on their failed policies. As you put in your article, even the rank and file democrats do not want ICE abolished.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Sept. 7, 2018 6:49 a.m.

    Of course we should abolish ICE. Then, let's abolish the FBI and the CIA.

    It follows that we should abolish all police departments and all branches of the military.

    Of course, we should do away with any semblance of an immigration policy and declare "open borders".

    Why not? Sounds like a totally rational approach? Agree?

    🤔

  • What in Tucket Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 6:14 a.m.

    I had the impression that most Hispanics illegal immigrants living here were law abiding. Also that deporting them was not a priority for Trump, after all there are over 10 million of then and deportations are around 200,000. Perhaps many of these deportations are unnecessary and of otherwise good people. Many are people who were in a DUI, MS13, felons, etc. who have a criminal record. I would like to see them go.
    One way or another I would like to see a merit based immigration system maybe 2 million per year. I see a wall as a good idea not so much to keep immigrants out, but to restrain the opioid epidemic which costs $500 billion a year and 90% of the heroin walking in. Just a 10% reduction would pay for two walls. A merit based system might slow the STD epidemic and reduce the enormous costs of illegal immigration.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    Sept. 7, 2018 6:11 a.m.

    We need to keep ICE. They have proven to be instrumental in taking down criminals. These criminals don't belong here and as long as we have sanctuary cities, we need people whose job is to keep track of illegal aliens who take advantage of our country and get them deported.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Sept. 7, 2018 1:25 a.m.

    The only reason Democrats want to eliminate ICE is so the country can be flooded with illegal immigrants. This would change the very fabric of the country and not necessarily for the better. We cannot afford to care for millions more immigrants let alone care for the poor of the country who were born here.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 1:18 a.m.

    When the stories broke about separating the children, pictures followed, along with the explanation that they were taken during Obamas Presidency (a day later).

    Why does the press keep running down Trump? And how can John Sandweg blame Trump when he did the same thing, and was over ICE when many of the pictures were taken.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 12:50 a.m.

    Should we abolish border controls and a system of regulating immigration? No.

    Should we abolish an agency that had no problem separating kids from their families, and which still hasn't managed to reunite some of those kids? Heck yes.

    We need a new agency, with a different institutional culture, before people will trust that our laws are being enforced in a reasonable, fair, and humane way.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 12:18 a.m.

    Abolish ICE?

    And people will take immigration enforcement into their own hands. This is asking for another civil war.

    Every Republican candidate has won the white vote, Ford 52% to Carter 48%, Reagan 56% to 36%, Reagan 66% to 34%, Bush 60% to 40%, Bush 41% to 39%, Dole 46% to 44%, G.W, Bush 55% to 42%, G W Bush 58% to 41%, McCain 55% to 43%, Romney 59% to 39%.

    That's the driving force behind the Democrats not wanting to enforce immigration laws. They need a constant influx of legal and illegal immigrants and amnesties to build their voter base.

  • Truth2017 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 11:41 p.m.

    No, of course not.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:52 p.m.

    I would encourage all Democrats to run on the abolishment of ICE. Open borders should also be adopted as a central feature of their platform. Both the midterms and the 2020 elections should be referendums on whether or not to keep bringing illegal aliens into the country.