Since they have not found the writer, it is becoming apparent that the the op-ed
statements are supported by most Trump appointees.
@ worf"Did you know that Trump has paid for hundreds of
surgeries for people who couldn't afford it?"Trump has made
it known to the many, many people with pre-existing conditions who desperately
need surgeries and advanced medical care that bankruptcy is their only
solution."I have used the laws of this country, the bankruptcy
chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees,
for my family." -- Donald Trump, first Republican national
debate, August 6, 2015
@Utah Girl Chronicles,How do you really know what Trump did?Some folks just pick and choose what to believe than form distorted
opinions.Did you know that Trump has paid for hundreds of surgeries
for people who couldn't afford it?
This will probably never get published because it's a graphic, abhorrent
thought but the fact is Kim Jong Un has executed opponents by firing
anti-aircraft missiles at them.With Trump's escalating rage and
paranoia, he must wish he had the power to do that. Dictators quench dissent
through any means possible. Lack of loyalty is considered treason. There are people on these forums Trump would probably spare.
Whats the big deal about an anonymous op-ed?The Republican Congress
has been anonymous for the last two years!
This reminds me of when I was teaching 4th grade and someone spilled a can of
paint on a brand new carpet.Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!Not ME!But this is the
White House . . . .
While I believe this person should leave the administration and go public, I
also have fear that they know the situation is so bad they feel that they
“But take heart: American history shows that, in the long run, weasels and
liars never hold the field, so long as good people stand up.” - James
ComeyThey need to stand up in the light, not anonymously in the
shadows. This person needs to take heart!
Reading the comments from trump sympathizers and critics of the NY Times, I can
not help but wonder if we do not exist in separate and unequal universes.On the one hand a group of people who believe anything/everything, no
matter how inane or implausible, from the president. Countered by a mass of
people and mainstream American organizations who print verified information or
informed opinion.It is clear in my mind that the vast majority of
the American public sees the president for what he truly is: totally ill
prepared by temperment for the toughest job in the country.And it is
clear in my mind that the shrinking minority in this country who still support
the president do so with little more reason other than he speaks in dog whistles
to prejudice and spreads their paranoia around like the fertilizer that it is.
@Mad Hatter -"You forgot to mention Vladimir Putin and the Russian
interference in our election. Without them, Donald Trump probably would not have
won the election. "Yea - rightBecause Russia has not
tried to influence every election since there was a Soviet Union - So it was a
total shock to everyone that they tried once again.Because Trump, not
Obama, was in charge of protecting American elections in 2016.Because
Trump, not Obama, was busy weaponizing the FBI and DOJ, colluding with the
Clinton campaign, to set up a vapid Russia/Steele dossier in order to smear
political opponentsBecause Obama, not Mitt Romney, was mocked for daring
to claim in the previous election cycle that Russia was a threatBecause
there is overwhelming evidence that vote counts were tampered withBecause
a few Facebook pages were more persuasive than Hillary's millions of
dollarsBecause Putin forced Hillary to avoid Wisconsin and MichiganBecause Putin forced Hillary to use an unsecured serverOr maybe -
the left is obsessed with Russia because it is easier to blame a bogyman than
come to grips that they lost because their overall politics are even more
condescending and intolerant than Trump
Counter Intelligence - Salt Lake City, UTSept. 6, 2018 12:42 p.m." . . . such pervasive arrogance in the media, entertainment and
"tolerant" society, is precisely why Trump won . . . "You forgot to mention Vladimir Putin and the Russian interference in our
election. Without them, Donald Trump probably would not have won the election.
By distracting from Trump's many problems (multiplied a thousand-fold
today), by keeping Hillary's emails a central part of the campaign and
releasing DNC emails through WikiLeaks, the Russians probably put Trump over the
top.That's precisely why his popularity has never gotten above
42%. Currently he stands at 36% and falling. Trump supporters (the true, loyal
Trumpie) is probably south of 25% The others, happy with the tax cuts and
Supreme Court appointees, are much more guarded in their support. Had Jeb Bush
been the candidate (which may preferred), they would have been happy.Maybe Trump doesn't criticized Putin because he needs him to reach into
our elections a few more times to keep his administration from becoming a
complete bust. That the current controversy is roiling the United States must be
music to the Russian ear.
@Utah Girl Chronicles"Trump paid 130K to a woman he had an
affair with shortly after his wife gave birth and then lied about it. -----But
let's talk about Bob Woodward's credibility."Trump is
an amoral playboy who engaged in adultery- yet he is still more sexually
responsible than Kennedys and Clintons. Stormy Daniels also engaged in
adultery, extortion and then another round of extortion in an attempt to gain
power though sex; but she is a feminist resistance icon.So yea; lets
talk about the credibility of unhinged Trump haters who are so bad that they
make Trump look good in comparison - which is very very very hard to do..
@Mad Hatter -"Most critics may have Fox News as their only
source of information. It requires critical thinking skills to read a newspaper
and evaluate it along with other information people may have."In
other words: 'I am an tolerant and enlightened and anyone with a different
opinion is a silly dupe and deplorable dolt' Such condescension
actually says more about Trump critics than his supporters- ironically, such
pervasive arrogance in the media, entertainment and "tolerant" society,
is precisely why Trump won and exactly why his most virulent haters (NYT)
actually empower Trump (pressuring many who don't particularly like him, to
defend I'm, because the critics are so much worse)
Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CASept. 6, 2018 11:51 a.m."@utah
girl"Yes, let's talk about Bob Woodward's
"credibility"."Just another self-serving journalist. I,
and, probably many others do not trust him. I have seen him interviewed several
times. Saw and heard all I needed to know."It's all
"fake news", right? This is the consensus within the partisan world,
right? So, when it comes to "trust", do you only trust Fox News?
Let's get it in the open for all to see where you're coming from in
your criticism.As for the response, "I, and, probably many
others do not trust him", I get it. That's OK. But many others do trust
Bob Woodward. We understand we will never agree on this.So
we'll wait and see what the voters say in November. I suspect we'll
see more and more revealed about Donald Trump and his administration in the
coming months. So, call it "fake news" if you like, but a leopard always
shows its spots. The White House is leaking like a sieve.
@ Herbert Gravy"Yes, let's talk about Bob Woodward's
"credibility".If Bob Woodward was not a credible journalist,
the article we are commenting on would even exist. If Bob Woodward
were not a credible journalist, Trump would not be so rocked back on his heels
in a frenetic tizzy.
When are we going to learn what was agreed to at the Helsinki Conference back in
July? Are we not to know what is happening with our government beyond
"official pronouncements" and be satisfied that the administration is
doing what it needs to do on behalf of all Americans, or do we just sit there
and take whatever is thrown at us?We already know a lot about the
disarray and dysfunction in the White House. We don't know what Donald
Trump agreed to with Vladimir Putin this summer. Trump likes to brag that
he's this great negotiator, but so far we have no reports on results Sure,
Trump comes out and talks about how great he is and what a wonderful job he is
doing, but he neglects to keep us informed because it might expose that
he's done nothing.Trump likes to operate in complete secrecy
and tell us whatever he wants to tell us. There is no check on what he tells us.
We never know if it's true or a made-up, mish-mash of gratuitous,
self-glorifying nonsense. His actions and behavior tells us that we are being
subjected to a reality show: Stay Tuned.We didn't learn about
the secret meeting with Russians at Trump Tower and later in the White House
until the Russians told us.
@utah girlYes, let's talk about Bob Woodward's
"credibility".Just another self-serving journalist. I, and,
probably many others do not trust him. I have seen him interviewed several
times. Saw and heard all I needed to know.
Imagine you were venting to a co-worker that your boss was an idiot or worse,
and somehow it got back to your boss. Despite what you've been taught
since childhood by your parents and church about the evils of lying, would you
really admit it if confronted by your boss, or anyone else? Or would you
not only deny it, but vehemently deny it, and claim your accuser was either
mistaken or lying, and probably doing it to foster their own agenda?Of
course Woodward's quotes are accurate. Everybody knows it. Including Donald
The obstructionists are still grasping at straws. No other President in our
history has done so much in so little time.He will continue to
succeed in spite of the opposition. And, he will have even more
"flexibility" when the American people reelect him.
"You cannot call for transparency with the other side is in power and favor
secrecy when your guy's run the show."Wow! Truer more
hypocritical words have never been uttered.
Does anyone remember Deep Throat?
Fitness Freak - Salt Lake City, UTSept. 6, 2018 10:17 a.m."They are "married" to the liberal agenda at this point so they
must keep the Trump haters happy."It is very doubtful that
critics of the NY Times actually read the NY Times. Or, for that matter, the
Washington Post, LA Times, or any of the other national newspapers and media.
Most critics may have Fox News as their only source of information. It requires
critical thinking skills to read a newspaper and evaluate it along with other
information people may have.Saying that the NY Times adheres to a
"liberal agenda" in its news division and the use of terms like
"Trump haters" is indicative of one's tribal affiliation. There are
those who believe what they read in The National Inquirer and Breitbart News,
what they are told on Fox, but anything that doesn't agree with their
pre-conceived perceptions of the world gets discarded as so much "fake
news". It tells you something.But, again, this is how things are
these days. We have a divided America and the wingnut fringe apparently likes it
this way. There are the "real Americans", Donald Trump's base of
about 25-32%, and everyone else. What happened to "E Pluribus Unum'?
RiDal - Sandy, UTSept. 6, 2018 7:15 a.m."The use of
"unnamed officials" as the source of defamatory quotes is unethical
journalism . . . "Listen to Donald Trump and note how many times
he refers to "anonymous sources" to support his position. It cuts both
ways except anonymous sources as used by journalists are usually checked out,
where with Trump we never know.You now have four parts to this
continuing peeling of the onion. Starting with the Michael Wolff book,
'Fire & Fury', then the book by Omarosa Manigault Newman,
'Unhinged', soon the book by Bob Woodward, 'Fury', and this
NY Times Op-Ed piece, we find a lot of supporting evidence of disarray,
dysfunction, and psychosis in the White House.Soon we will have the
Mueller investigation report that should verify many things that have already
been reported and many that have not. Those who chose to ignore any and all of
these finding will do so for whatever reason, but the reality of the situation
remains.Anonymous sources have been a key component in Americans
knowing what the government is doing. You cannot call for transparency with the
other side is in power and favor secrecy when your guy's run the show.
@ NoNamesThis op-ed doesn't reveal anything new. It merely
confirms what we've been hearing all along, including before Trump's
entry into politics. So to me your take flies in the face of a lifetime of
evidence. The Emperor has no clothes. He never did. But what I want to know
is why Anonymous and his cronies think it's Constitutional to do what
they're allegedly doing. If Trump is this dangerous to the nation - and I
believe he is - then do what the process requires to get him out of there. But
to appoint oneself as protector of the nation? That isn't how we do
things. I get a say in that and so do you.IMO, either this is just
another conservative disregarding Constitutional process for power's sake
or it's a conservative who understands that a Republican-controlled Cabinet
and Congress won't do their duty so s/he has no choice but to
disregard/circumvent orders in order to protect the nation. If it's the
latter, it also casts the op-ed as a signal to conservatives whose sight
isn't impaired to help give Congress back to the Dems in Nov. because
that's our last hope of saving the nation from a nation-endangering pick.
one old man - Ogden, UTSept. 6, 2018 8:19 a.m."Anonymous
sources of information can at least be verified by the factuality of the
supplied information."The demonetization of anonymous sources by
the Trump administration neglects to include the anonymous sources that Donald
Trump often uses to "validate" his many misrepresentations of fact. How
many times have we heard Trump say, "people tell me", "I was
told", "I hear" and his favorite friend "Jim" who tells us
about how bad Paris has become? For Trump, anonymous sources, if he is using
them, are justified to support his current narrative.From both a
news and law enforcement perspective, anonymous sources are real and are backed
up by accumulated facts and information to support the source. Although Trump
considers other's anonymous sources to be "spies" and
"disloyal", there are reasons to be anonymous if truthful. The risk of
retaliation is very great, particularly with those in the White House and the
knowledge that revealing themselves will be career ending.Of course,
the question arises, should these people still work in a dysfunctional White
House, "Crazy Town" if they consider their position to be truly
Given previous insanity from this administration I just got to wondering if the
leaker could be donald himself.What a great way to distract from
other things and try to paint everyone around him as untrustworthy. Just
imagine how worked up his fans will be the next time he holds one of his
wonderful rallies. After watching him at work for a year and a half,
it's apparent that NOTHING is too far-fetched.
Trump has attack on our allies, appeases our enemies, assault our free press,
made excuses for racists, continues his business corruption, worst cronyism
ever, brazen nepotism, abuse of women, obstruction of justice, contempt for our
justice system, war on the environment and his cowardly praises of Putin. Trump did not create this economy. Obama saved our economy after the GOP
destroyed it. Now, Trump is destroying our trade economy and the damage will be
lasting. As always, Republicans will stand on our destroyed economy
and point fingers.
Once upon a time, the NYT was THE source for credible news.Unfortunately, with the proliferation of free electronic news, they have found
themselves having to lay off staff, hope that readers will PAY them for their
news, and have become overrun with liberals.The paper isn't
what it once was.I have no idea whether the story is accurate or
not, but I have EVERY reason to believe that the NYT would do
anything/everything to try to save their paper.They are
"married" to the liberal agenda at this point so they must keep the
Trump haters happy.
From the WH...1...2...3...Not it!The chorus
of incredulous cronies croons their innocence to the republican president.Golf anyone?
Sadly, with the media's history of continuously attacking Trump since he
won the nomination--and they must have gotten whiplash from changing direction
so fast after pushing him to win the nomination over far less inflammatory GOP
candidates--Trump supporters can easily brush off this editorial as a
fabrication from whole cloth.To put any credibility behind it, the
claimed insider--engaged in "resistance"--needs to believe in something
enough to resign his job and step forward with his name, job title, and
credibility.Of course, some low ranking college intern not used to
any real world work conditions might be less credible than an actual senior
official. But if the author were actually a senior official, that would be
credible. Sadly, it seems the members of the self-proclaimed
"resistance"--but there is no deep state, we are told by left--are more
committed to drawing a government paycheck than they are to actually lending
credibility to their rumor mongering.
Oh by the way, Trump isn't even close to the worst president in history.
Currently Carter and Obama are tied for that honor.
Trump fumes everyday. His next rally will be embarrassing.
I saw this one coming over two years ago. My prediction was that if Trump is
elected, he won't serve his whole term. Frankly, any good Republican
candidate would have been able to do what Trump has done up to this time.
Except for maybe Kasich.While I reluctantly voted for Trump, and I
applaud his handling of deregulation, the economy, tax cuts, etc, I know that
his character flaws will undoubtedly cause problems.Frankly,
I'd like him better if he'd just shut up and listen to people.He's not a deep thinker and is impulsive. You can't run a
country on impulse.While I will never vote for a Democrat for
president, I'm going to have a hard time voting for Trump again.I also think the Mueller investigation is a load of crap and should be shut
down.I hope this Op Ed is a wake up call to Trump. It won't
be, but I hope that it is. His staff isn't trying to undercut him. They
are trying to stop bad, impulsive decision making. Not a bad thing in this
This is what we get when our elected representatives in Congress put party over
country.Vote early and vote often friends. Time to right the
ship.I'm not a fear monger, but the administration is already
positioning Syria as its "Wag the Dog" distraction. We're going to
be in yet another shooting war if Democrats don't get to the polls in
NYT and credibility really go together? LOL!
LOU Montana - Pueblo, COSept. 6, 2018 8:03 a.m."Stand for
something, even if it means risking everything."The Anonymous
letter writer has forever risked his career and is taking down the worst
president in American history. ----------No doubt. The economy is
tanking, unemployment is at an all time high, and the GDP is at the lowest level
ever, not to mention the stock market has crashed. How's is at
risk to write and anonymous letter? It's called cowardly. Stand for
nothing; hide behind being anonymous. Stand for Treason!
Extreme paranoia has set in, he is like a trapped animal with nowhere to go; at
the "gnawing off the paw" stage.....
New York Times and Anonymous pretty much discredit the whole issue for me. I see
that a lot of folks on this thread can't turn the channel from CNN. Tune
out all the white noise; the economy is roaring, unemployment is at an all time
low, wages are at an all time high; we are standing up to these countries that
have taken advatage of us for decades, hey but that stuff doesn't matter.
I have been skeptical of Trump from the beginning. As a conservative
Republican, I am willing to give him credit for many individual correct policy
decisions, and he has made a number of them, including nominating what appear to
be two excellent choices for the supreme court. Of course, I also view a number
of his policy decisions as ill-advised and I realize that many would disagree as
to what is a good or bad policy decision. One of the main problems
with Trump is that his narcissism and brashness and his lying about really
unimportant things (biggest inaugural crowd in history) and his many personal
flaws and the constant scandal that plague both his personal life and his
administration cast a long shadow over everything he does - even over the things
he does correctly. I talk frequently with many other Republicans,
who, like myself, have not drunk the Trump Cool-Aid and we don't give him a
free pass nor really believe anything he says. I feel bad for the many
Republicans who swallow everything Trump says hook, line, and sinker and indeed
the Republican party as a whole that has deviated widely from the party of
"Anonymous sources of information can at least be verified by the factuality
of the supplied information."The New York Times has verified the
identity of the author. Given the extremely high stakes in something like this,
we can be certain that they know full well who wrote this piece. I'm sure we will be learning a lot more about this courageous person in
days to come.
Xert talks to many people--the BEST people and they are mostly saying this is
the work of "Pence". I know it wasn't Melania, because Michelle
doesn't write that well. PS--Moderators, before you refuse this
for "speculation"--please note that it's just Xert trying to be
"Stand for something, even if it means risking everything."The Anonymous letter writer has forever risked his career and is taking down
the worst president in American history. I for one am very thankful
for what persons like Colin Kaepernick, John McCain, and many more Americans
who have the courage to stand up for what they believe in. Don't ever let anyone suppress our freedom of speech, our right to bear
arms, our right to be Americans. This is not Russia and we do not need a
dictator running our country. The shame is on the Republicans who stood with
Trump and the glory of heroism will be on those who stood up to Trump.This is a historic moment and a time for real Americans to stand up against a
dictator.God Bless America!
I'm with those who see this as a soft coup. If Trump is a danger to the
nation, then utilize the Constitutional remedies put in place to address this -
impeachment or the 25th Amendment. But to do what Anonymous is suggesting is
assuming a power and authority we the people never granted.Anonymous
and others may in fact be acting in the nation's security interests - I
personally suspect that they probably are - but I see a gravely dangerous
precedent in allowing underlings the leeway to usurp the power of the people.The only other thing I can think of is that Anonymous felt s/he had to
do this because the Republican-controlled Congress isn't doing their job in
providing a check to Trump and this was an attempt to get them to do something.
IMO, they easily could if their calculations weren't so politically craven,
as they seem to be. Trump's tweets criticizing the indictments of two
loyal Republicans despite strong evidence of corruption are alone grounds for
impeachment because they show a disregard for the bedrock of our system, the
rule of law.
I am glad to learn that there are patriotic Americans within donnie's
administration who are trying to protect the United States and its people, and
the world, from Donnie's words and actions. Kudos to them.
Trump tweeted a demand that if "the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed
exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to
government at once!" And what would befall this individual?
Imprisonment, torture, what? Trump's desire to express power knows no
I was listening to opinion page editors of other major national papers
yesterday, and take was that of course anonymous "sources" are the life
blood of investigative reporting, but anonymous op eds are really rare and when
requested dealt with very cautiously. The take away was either the
NYT really messed up if this isn't a "senior" official, or
that's exactly what we have here, and the source is worth protecting. Strong disagreement also as to whether we will learn who the author is.
My personal opinion is if things are as bad as reported (and I think
they are, "all" reports point in the same direction), then we are
quickly getting to the point someone needs to take the hit and go public.
If we have members of the Cabinet that believe President Trump needs "adult
handlers" to keep him in check, then they need to invoke the 25th Amendment
and clean up this problem in the open. We don't need secret resistance
organizations, we need transparency in government. Every day it
becomes clearer and clearer that Trump is simply too volatile for the job. Now
is the time for patriots who put country above party, to remove him from office
and let President Pence have the job. Republicans are not going to rebuild
their brand by backing a person who is clearly a danger to the Republic.
This is a democracy whether trump understands this or not. We the people have
a right and a duty to speak out against anything that poses a threat to that
democracy and our freedom as a people.
Is Trump upset because he didn't get a chance to put in a bid on buying the
story before it came out? Or is it because the op-ed puts Putin in a bad
light?Maybe he's upset because he's dealing with pain
issues. The truth hurts...
Trump supporters and many Republicans will be frantic to find the rat and
administer punishment accordingly.But we all should seriously
reflect on the actual content of this extraordinary admission, which is merely
the latest, most accurate, authoritative insight into a highly dysfunctional
White House.This isn't the work of Wolff or Omarosa or
Woodward. This is cabinet appointee, who confirms much of the reporting, things
the American people ought to know.
Watched Trump's rant last night in which he claimed that his poll numbers
are "through the roof." Gallup has him just over 40% today. I think he has the roof mixed up with the floor.
Trump paid 130K to a woman he had an affair with shortly after his wife gave
birth and then lied about it. Trump also criticized a grieving Gold Star family.
But let's talk about Bob Woodward's credibility.
"It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that
there are adults in the room," the author continued. "We fully recognize
what is happening. And we are trying to do what's right even when Donald
Trump won't."No.These are NOT "adults in
the room" and this is not even close to the right thing to do.Because of the actions of these people -- and others who put and kept Trump in
office thus far -- America is uniquely vulnerable, a la Cuban Missile Crisis or
the 9/11 attacks. Our adversaries can strike against us knowing that America is
effectively leaderless. Ours will not be a poised, coordinated and coherent
response. It will be fragmented and erratic. Not just because we
have an unstable POTUS, as that has been part of the world's grim calculus
since 2016. No, these self-styled adults-in-the-room just told the
world that even Trump's response will be doubly-muddled and ineffective.
Whatever counter-strike he might order, will likely be contradicted and
undermined by one or more shadow leaders. What an opportunity for those who
wish to do America ill!This is a very dicey moment. A
fully avoidable, fully Republican moment.
The use of "unnamed officials" as the source of defamatory quotes is
unethical journalism, and "fake news". Anyone could claim that an
"unnamed official" said anything about anyone. How could anyone ever
verify ? Anonymous sources of information can at least be verified
by the factuality of the supplied information. But the hate-Trump-media is just
using "unnamed officials" as an excuse to name-call. Pathetic!
America is becoming great again---Washington has created the biggest
"zoo" in the world.Sad.
Stand for something, even if it means risking everything.Thank
goodness for at least a few courageous Americans !