New poll suggests a slip in Utahns' support for medical marijuana, but with 64 percent still in favor

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  • Edmunds Tucker St. George, UT
    Sept. 14, 2018 12:47 a.m.

    the Drug Enforcement Administration's Schedule One Drugs - Drugs, substances, and certain chemicals used to make drugs are classified into five (5) distinct categories or schedules depending upon the drug's acceptable medical use and the drug's abuse or dependency potential. The abuse rate is a determinate factor in the scheduling of the drug; for example, Schedule I drugs have a high potential for abuse and the potential to create severe psychological and/or physical dependence. Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. marijuana (cannabis).

  • KHS UK, 00
    Sept. 9, 2018 8:56 a.m.

    Why is MMJ really needed? There are already normal perscription medicine that has been tested and proven safe. If you want to make a thc version, then submit it for testing and trials. There are proven side effects that MJ have as all medicines do but has MJ been tested and proven scientifically?

    Organics means nothing. There are organic poisons. Is buying raw MJ really the best idea? If legalized it needs to be dispersed by a State run store. Just like alcohol it needs to be controlled. Drug stores are tightly controlled.

  • KHS UK, 00
    Sept. 7, 2018 4:07 a.m.

    Now will marijuana be tested and certified? And will it be certified for specific treatments? Or can i get it for a stubbed toe if i find the right doctor.
    So in other words recreational?

  • PabloPicaso Midway, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 3:05 p.m.

    I don't understand why anyone in UT that is opposed to this passing would not also be opposed to a State Liquor Store, or very addictive pain meds out of a "safe" pharmacy? This is a 100% organic plant grown product. Assuming you don't get behind the wheel, the worst thing that happens, is you giggle, eat a lot of food and then fall asleep. The debate really should be around why we make it illegal in the first place. Stats prove that alcohol is much worse than THC. I'm sure now there are several of you that are going to start with the "slippery slope", "gateway" BS, but truth is that given the option between the two, THC is much more benign for an adult than alcohol is. IMO.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 1:36 p.m.

    As Prop 2 is written is not good in terms of medical use, medical supervision. Ongoing research is critical to any legalization passed.

  • sassyandi Fort Collins, Colorado
    Sept. 6, 2018 12:41 p.m.

    Promoters of POT here in Colorado played on my compassion for sick people, but legalization has caused a myriad of unforeseen problems. Legalized POT attracts people that are here for ONE reason & are often not always an asset to our state.
    People who smoke it cause such a stench in the homes of surrounding neighbors that many who've tried to sell their homes to escape it can't because potential buyers were so offended by the stench! Property values have been negatively affected in some areas. While helping friends move recently the stench of close neighbors smoking POT on their driveway was so powerful that we could barely breathe!
    Deaths of innocent people & victims of drugged drivers may not seem like a big deal until its your own loved ones who are dead, just so someone can enjoy their high. Many cases of children ingesting POT edibles here too! (Google it!)
    If it's needed for medical issues then make it legal for specific issues & sold as a controlled pharmaceutical substance.
    Legalizing opens a Pandora's box that many in CO didn't anticipate. Consequences are astounding!
    Is this what you want for Utah & the future of your children? Once it's legal there's NO going back.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    Re: "The Church really should have stayed out of this."

    Of course.

    We should all take ethical and medical advice from venal head and smoke shop operators, not from Church leaders and licensed physicians.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 11:09 a.m.

    Here is the problem with Prop 2. You can already get legal medical marijuana.

    There are drugs that are based on marijuana that are FDA approved some of them are the following:

    Epidiolex for seizures
    Marinol and Syndro for cancer patients

    You can get legal marijuana for legal purposes. Why are we trying to bypass Federal law?

    If we can ignore federal drug laws, that should mean that Utah can reinstate its Amendment 3 and declare that marriage is between man and woman only. Utah doesn't need to ask the Federal government to turn federal lands over to state control, we just have to pass a law to declare it so. Anything that the Feds declare that Utah doesn't like we can just make a law to say we are not going to abide by that federal law.

    To "Spangs " but studies show that in states that allow MMJ they still have the same levels of opioid use. Some studies coming out now are showing that MMJ does not work with chronic pain. It seems that a lot of the arguments for Prop 2 are not well studied yet. Just like I have said, if it can be scientifically proven to work then legalize it the proper way.

  • Yorkshire Logan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:40 a.m.

    Flipphone said:
    "Remember, when the LDS Church speaks, the thinking has been done. So it's not shocking that the active membership poll data has changed."

    This argument that 'LDS are so obedient after the LDS Church speaks' that is frequently used is really humorous.

    If that were so, there would be more obedience to things the LDS Church has spoken about...such as 100% visiting, 100% temple worthiness and attendance, 100% tithing, and lots of other 100%.

    No, its not "when the LDS Church speaks, the thinking has been done"......

    Its just the counter culture of Utah is offended that LDS leaders dare speak-- and offended that whether they speak or not, active LDS are smart and figure out nonsense--such as the implications and results of Prop 2, and so they will defeat it at the polls.

  • hobblecrik Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:35 a.m.

    Proposition 2 is a Trojan Horse. It purports to allow medical use for marijuana structured in a sufficiently vague and loose way so as to allow the "recreational use camel" to slip its nose and front legs into the tent. As a physician, I support the use of the compounds in marijuana for medical purposes as defined by legitimate scientific research and testing. Marijuana is a drug. Like any drug it has effects, side effects, toxicity, adverse reactions, interactions with other drugs etc. To be used safely, these all need to be explored and understood through research. Medical history is full of compounds that seemed promising until actual research and testing uncovered dangers and risks. Usage and distribution of marijuana based compounds should be the same as for all other drugs. Under the current bill it is not. Proponents of Prop 2 would have you believe it's the only way to get to medical use of marijuana. It is not. Medical uses for marijuana show some promise. The current proposition is not the safest or best way to access them. Those who could actually benefit medically from cannabis need a better, more medically sound plan.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:28 a.m.

    Re: ". . . a slip in Utahns' support for medical marijuana, but with 64 percent still in favor . . . ."

    Though it's hard to believe the "results" of this poll, it does clearly demonstrate that, as Utahns discover the mendacity of Weed, Inc.'s propaganda in favor of purported "medical" weed, we begin to understand that this venal weed-industry enrichment plan has little to do with medicine, but has a great deal to do with making greedy, evil people tremendously rich, at the expense of those least equipped to make wise decisions about weed use.

    The medical establishment, the Church, and anyone else who has honestly examined this scam -- making weed available for "medical" purposes solely through non-medical channels -- is wise to oppose it.

    Here's hoping that as more and more Utahns begin to honestly consider Weed, Inc.'s disingenuous "arguments," they'll continue to cut through the propaganda, and that opposition to this evil design of conspiring men will continue to solidify.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    People like freedom to choose medical options.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    1. Marijuana is against the law and still will be regardless of Prop 2 out come federal law has supreme standing.

    2. Follow the money. This initiative was in large part written by big marijuana industry that is springing up. It’s next step with be full recreational like happened in California.

  • bemorefair MH, 00
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    @Flipphone -

    So, I'm guessing you're not a sheep and can educate the rest of us uninformed, turn-your-brain-off people that listened to what the Church and the medical community had to say about this subject?

    Let's start with this. I can't figure out why this initiative allows only for the use of THC is CBD alone is sufficient to get the pain-killing effects. Could you please explain why THC is being allowed in this initiative if CBD is good enough to get the job done? If CBD is all that is needed, why should I be in favor of the proposition? And furthermore, please explain if the medical community is against this because they are colluding with the Church, or if there is actual science backing up their reasoning. Thanks in advance.

  • Wyo_Jake Casper, WY
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:03 a.m.

    The active ingredients in MJ need to be extracted and made into a legitimate medicine that doesn't have to be smoked. Drawing smoke into lungs is unhealthy and should be avoided.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:02 a.m.

    Shame on DN. The title for this article is misleading and NOT what the polls suggest from the article itself.

  • Flipphone Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:56 a.m.

    Remember, when the LDS Church speaks, the thinking has been done. So it's not shocking that the active membership poll data has changed.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:51 a.m.

    "If you've lost a child to drug addiction, the thought of Proposition 2 passing is chilling."

    kclady53- if you've lost a child to drug addiction, the thought of it NOT passing Prop 2 is chilling. Access to MMJ may DECREASE the use of opioids and opioid addiction. Once you are addicted to opioids, game over. Addiction to MJ? Probably similar in severity as caffeine (if that) and primarily psychological dependence.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:44 a.m.

    I fully support Prop 2. Any arguments that it will lead to recreational use are balderdash. Recreational use is already here. To think otherwise is either naive or foolish (or both.)

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:41 a.m.

    Yes to true medical use of marijuana.

    No to recreational use and the dishonest Prop 2 that is a Trojan Horse.

    Fact is, to do this right we need congress to act. Violating federal law, and encouraging our citizens to violate federal law is a very dangerous thing.

    What other federal laws do supporters think Utah should violate?

    Should we encourage our county clerks not to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples? Should our State Tax Commission not recognize same sex marriages as valid for State income tax purposes?

    Should Utah encourage its citizens to ignore federal land use laws so we can ride our ATVs anywhere we want? Or perhaps Utah should just encourage logging and mineral development on federal lands since congress refuses to address these issues properly?

    We can always find federal laws that some of us don't like. Do we just get to ignore them? And if so, how do we decide which ones we ignore vs which ones should bind us?

    Ignoring immigration and drug laws make the left happy. Does the right get to pick two areas to ignore? Guns and Marriage maybe? Land use?

    Be very careful what precedent you set. The other side will use it eventually.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    Utah voters, don't start down this path. Colorado, Nevada, Oregon, et al, are covering up all the problems that any legalized marijuna use brings. In addition to more DUI arrests, accidents, work related issues, illegal cultivation and sales marijuna is still a gateway drug for most people. Unless "medical" use is very carefully regulated it will always lead to "recreational" use. It won't stop the local street corner dealer either because states try to get rich by charging outrageous taxes, which most users don't want to pay. Oregon and Washington have both lowered the tax rates because so many people use their regular street suppliers. There is no upside to marijuna use.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:32 a.m.

    Elsleuith,

    The initiative makes no allowance for recreational MJ. I am not in support of recreational MJ, but I am in support of Prop 2. Anyone telling you that the initiative will lead to recreational use is employing that ol' "slippery slope" kind of reasoning that is dubious at best.

    You are also wrong in saying that doctors wont be involved. Anyone getting a card for MMJ must have an Rx from a physician, and the entire process overseen by the Dept. of Health. This is a far cry from the wild-west scenario that the Church and UMA are warning about.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:19 a.m.

    Do not confuse medical marijuana with the current ballot initiative regarding marijuana. The Utah Medical Society and many other responsible organizations are in favor of medical MJ, but the bill as written is an open door to MJ abuse.

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    It seems to me the reason this bill was put forward is that the proponents want recreational MJ not medical. They could have created a bill with doctors involved and chose not to.

  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    No on 2, medical yes, recreational NO.

  • tqseal Liberal Central (Sugarhouse), UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    I am voting against Prop 2 because of two reasons: 1) I simply don't agree with the way it is written/the approach of allowing medical marijuana. 2) Why are we letting a loud, noisy, isolated minority group of the entire electorate drive such a large swing in policy? People who need medical marijuana represent probably

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 8:03 a.m.

    The pearl clutching going on about this is hilarious to watch. Add in the intentional misinformation and the 'but but but-not yet' crowd for even more laughs. All while they pretend that they love 'freedom'.

    To anyone suffering, dont wait for the churchislature because they have proven that they will punt forever. Just ask around, you already know someone. Anyone can get cannabis within a few hours. In fact much of the state could be to Colorado or Nevada and back today.

    Stop being led around by people who dont have your interests at heart.
    Vote yes!

    And reelect no one, ever.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:47 a.m.

    @water rocket - Magna, UT

    Just curious, why do you think medical doctors are the end-all be-all? What has the medical profession produced for us so far? Nothing but a bunch of addictive opioids etc. The medical board kinda sorta admitted that they (opioids) can be addictive?! I don't trust them, its just a big money game for them & big pharma

  • kclady53 Baton Rouge, LA
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:32 a.m.

    If you've lost a child to drug addiction, the thought of Proposition 2 passing is chilling. This sounds so familiar. We were living in Louisiana when everyone thought Oxycotin was the wonder drug. Pain clinics popped up all over the place. It was like opening a drive-through for death. Be careful what legislation you pass, Utah, because once it's on the books it hard to get rid of.

  • windsor Logan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:30 a.m.

    Title says: New poll suggests a slip in Utahns' support for medical marijuana, but with 64 percent still in favor

    I know a lot of people and not a single one of them are FOR this.

    Don't think the percentage for it could possibly be 64%.

    Just hope the actual majority percentage who are against it get off their duff in November to vote against it and save us from the nonsense that other states got suckered into.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:23 a.m.

    Uterebel says it's now or never. How about bring it to the voters with safeguards in place. The way it is written now is purposefully done to expedite recreational use as soon as possible. I think very few people are against true medical marijuana. But if you think recreational is a good thing, just look at Colorado and the problems they are having. I spent the last two weeks there for work and homelessness is way up and you can barely walk around certain areas without getting sick from all the pot smoke. The homeless and hipsters in Manitou Springs have turned a once amazing family vacation spot into San Francisco of the 60's.

  • SolarMan Albuquerque, NM
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:17 a.m.

    I am all for medical marijuana, but Prop 2 is more about legalizing (or more accurately decriminalizing by reducing/eliminating penalties) marijuana. If this passes, there is sure to be "buyer's remorse."

    The Utah Medical Association is all for using whatever substance that has been proven safe in treatments. They support research of cannabis for medical purposes; cannabis extracts are already in some prescription drugs.

    This proposition is NOT about marijuana for medicinal purposes; it is all about making it legal for recreational use. Vote NO on Prop 2.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:10 a.m.

    As people become more well educated about the full ramifications of his issue, they become less likely to support it.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:09 a.m.

    Medical marijuana becoming legal is simply smoke and mirrors.

  • ute alumni Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 6:59 a.m.

    So glad some “LDS members” know what is best. I feel the Prophet knows better 2.

  • Seagull Suz Sandy, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 6:44 a.m.

    ...I’m trying to understand why we don’t have a proposition for Medical Marijuana that will easily pass muster with our Utah citizenry. If the merits of Medical Marihuana are as outstanding as testified to by those who have/are benefitting from its use (and many documented cases seem to show positive results)... why was an initiative not written that would satisfy more voters?

    ...to answer my own question...oh, writing a loosey goosey proposition would ease in the recreational users...sheesh people, forget your self centered gratification needs and help those who really need the medicinal product. Mixed messages in legislation are a can of worms...as gullible as many in Utah are...this one won’t pass the sniff test!...

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 2:42 a.m.

    Good, and support needs to keep dropping. Yes we do need to legalize responsible medical use, under a Doctor's care and direction (aka real medical use). Those that haven't read the proposition need to. It does not provide for real medical use. A doctor's role is to approve a cannabis card, once that is done all medical supervision is blocked. The treatment regime, dosage, method of administration and duration of treatment are all at the direction of an uneducated clerk with zero medical background at the dispensaries.

    This is not medicine, it's recreational use with nominal approval by a doctor.

    Give the Legislature more chances. Good legislation rarely happens on the first try. This initiative is not good legislation. Vote NO on Prop 2, let the legislature do it correctly. Prop 2 even denies the state any ability to tax cannabis. How often do proponents say legalize it and tax it for the schools, well this prohibits said taxation.

    Again let the Legislature do it's job, even if it takes a few tries. And the Church is 100% correct to speak out on this bad legislation. It doesn't oppose responsible medical use, it does oppose recreational use.

  • Jbejarano Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 11:00 p.m.

    I'm concerned that the polls cited have not accurately described what medical marijuana is. Medical marijuana according to Prop 2 is an entirely different thing then what is being sold to voters. Most concerning to me is the restrictions place on city councils that cannot zone out pot shops or marijuana dispensaries. Medical marijuana is really closer to recreational then is being advertised. Safeguards are very minimal and penalties for possession nearly eliminated. Records are required to be wiped clean after 60 days, and this is an all cash business since marijuana is not legal in the US.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 10:14 p.m.

    The Church really should have stayed out of this.

    Now the damage is done... to the image of the Church!

    Yes on 2!

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 10:04 p.m.

    Whether or not a substance is deemed appropriate for medicinal use should not be based solely on sporadic successes or even voted upon by people who have no expertise in the field of medicinal drugs. There is a process involved, which is important to know all the effects; to determine proper dosage; to ensure patient safety. There appears to be some evidence concerning the efficacy of cannabis or elements of it, but the full process of 'vetting' is important. What is disheartening is that some states have approved Marijuana for recreational use. With all the problems caused by alcohol, tobacco and multitudinous street drugs, why add to the already humongous societal problems of these substances ?

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:50 p.m.

    If it is for "legitimate" medical use, legislated, regulated, with ongoing research why is this a problem? People need to separate out the potheads, recreational users from legitimate medical use. For some reason, in Utah, it is more difficult for people to do this. The addicts and recreational users have ruined it for the medical use people.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:40 p.m.

    I haven't read Prop 2, but I have never been in favor of any recreational use of marijuana. However, I do support the use for medical reasons, under a doctor's care, with strict penalties for those who abuse the process. Any medicinal product that relieves pain and suffering, or that helps correct or alleviate physical ailments should be available, through a qualified medical doctor for these purposes. Any doctor who abuses his/her position for profit, and not for the true well being of their patients should be punished. For those who argue that recreational marijuana should be allowed, just look at Colorado, where crime went up, not down, after marijuana was made legal for recreational use. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it is very difficult to get it back in again.

  • uterebel50 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 4:10 p.m.

    It's now or never Utah voters. The legislature hasn't been listening. Vote "yes" on Prop 2.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:53 p.m.

    Annoy the legislature Utah, Vote Yes on 2!