'Don't worry about being perfect': Faith leaders will address suicide and mental health during the national weekend of prayer

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  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    we are not perfect, we never were perfect and we never will be perfect.... but as imperfect as we are by the grace of God we can be saved

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 6:53 a.m.

    To "The Atheist" so you are denying science?

    I gave you verifiable articles showing that prayer works. Prayer does save lives and makes people better, and your response is to deny science.

    How can we trust that your belief in atheism is true if you deny science that you claim lead you to atheism?

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 10, 2018 12:58 a.m.

    "Faith communities nurture social connections and a sense of worthiness, which are important resources for people dealing with mental illness."

    It's extremely important that "worthiness" churches, with an incessant and overwhelming focus on "worthiness," do not foster and encourage and produce ideas or feelings of being "unworthy."

    This is almost impossible when a huge and dominant idea within a church or religion is constantly on being "worthy."

    Including obligatory "worthiness" interviews, particularly of young people.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    Sept. 9, 2018 9:17 p.m.

    @The Atheist: "Thoughts and prayers won't save lives!"

    Actually, even if there were no supernatural being who heard amd answered prayers--I know there is, I have felt His presence and seen his guiding hand too many times to deny Him--thoughts and prayers are a sign of love, and to know one is loved is often exactly what is needed to prevent suicide.

    Obviously, that love needs to be shown in ways in addition to just thoughts and prayers. But even among rational, secure, non-believers, expressions of "sending good thoughts" is a common way of expressing love and concern when nothing else can be done.

    It is a shame to see a few who are so insecure in their own world views as to constantly need to attack others' beliefs. Whether from anti-theists or self-proclaimed "Christians" matters not. It is an unwillingness to quietly respect others' peaceful beliefs.

    There are situations where disagreements matter and must be expressed. Civility should rule those situations. But in many cases, true civility, respect, and tolerance really require not expressing disagreement when its only purpose is to be disagreeable, to attack, or to mock.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Sept. 8, 2018 5:12 a.m.

    "So apparently God does help those who go to him. It is a scientifically proven fact."

    No, it is not. Godless meditation actually gets similar or better results.

    As usual, no god is needed. Ever.

  • NYwoman Hooksett, NH
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    I read this article aloud. I found it moving, and it touched my heart.
    My connection is a grandfather who suffered (shell shock) in WWI, effecting his responses and behavior for a lifetime, and a child who went into the military who had minor issues comparatively when released from service. I did 6 years of volunteer work with the remainder of the unit while deployments occurred and interactions when everyone was home, plus attending (parent) meetings several times. I learned about SOFAR, Strategic Outreach for All Reservists, who were expanding in multiple states, volunteer counselors who never charge for helping. I mentioned it to a group of soldiers I didn't know, casually, and one guy gave me the thumbs up as he walked away.
    Suicide and mental health issues - we need to talk about it. I hope they talk about this in my church Sunday.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 1:09 p.m.

    While this article focuses on several denominations' approach to suicide prevention; and only mentions The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in passing, I would like to take a moment to comment more specifically on the culture of above mentioned church; and, from the perspective of my own suicidal struggles, what I feel would help greatly in suicide prevention among Latter-day Saints specifically.

    The doctrines of the church clearly do not expect perfection in this life-time; and indicate that we all need our Savior Jesus Christ's atonement; because we all sin. Yet, there is a pervasive culture of perfectionism, and saving of ourselves by our works. The interpretations of such scriptures as "faith without works is dead" and "saved by grace after all we can do" and many more push this narrative that persons who are "sinning" are not "worthy" and therefore will not be saved.

    What would greatly help would be to focus less on judging other's sins or even our own sins; as we all do sin, and instead relying on the saving Grace of Jesus Christ. A paradigm shift from judging "worthiness" of individuals based on answers to interview question; instead to judging our intentions.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 11:55 a.m.

    To "Thomas Jefferson" and "The Atheist" but according to psychologists, prayers will save lives.

    In article titled "New Study Examines the Effects of Prayer on Mental Health" they found that prayer improved mental health.

    See also "The Effect of Prayer on Depression and Anxiety: Maintenance of Positive Influence One Year After Prayer Intervention"

    So apparently God does help those who go to him. It is a scientifically proven fact.

  • I_believe Draper, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 10:22 a.m.

    Dear Mr. Atheist and Mr. Jefferson,

    It is a fact that people are dying every day by suicide. Your comments "Thoughts and prayers won't save lives!" and “talking to yourself” are opinions; they do nothing to address the problem.

    As Ronald Regan said “It is easy to criticize, tough to create”.


    There is a fantastic video “created” by local artist Madilyn Paige titled "Perfect". This is song/video from her album "Anymore". DN recently published an article “Self-esteem, not perfection, the goal for former ‘Voice’ contestant Madilyn Paige” by Caresa Randall 9/1/18.

    The article refers to her new album “Anymore”. Each song on the album deals with a struggle, and a lesson of overcoming. The above referenced article provides background for each song on the “Anymore” album. One song particularly addressing this article is “Perfect”. There is a video link, taking you to her “YouTube” video.

    Some quotes from the “Perfect” song: “she needs to be more than she sees”, “let go of perfect, you are already worth it”, “worth is not a prize you can win or lose”. I’ve watched the video many times, wishing all youth, 0-100 could see and feel the message.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 8:11 a.m.

    Prayer is talking to yourself.

    Leave the myths in your past. Start to deal with reality.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 11:34 p.m.

    Thoughts and prayers won't save lives!