I question Hatch's loyalty to Trump! Today he claimed that he
had served the pubic for 40 years. How did he do that after promising he would
only serve a short time? And somehow his personal wealth increased
substantially? How did that happen?He said that he would not serve
that long. He passed tax legislation legislation that put money back into his
own pockets. Possibly millions. Public servant? No he lived off the dole all of
these years and all we get as Utah citizens is that "library". That won't get many visitors.
Kavanaugh's adherence to the Constitution is what the Democrats fear. And
the Democrats don't really want everybody accountable to the law; otherwise
there would be a special investigator checking on Hillary Clinton ( concerning
her storage of classified information on her home computer ) and the DNC
involvement with the Steele Dossier and their claim of being 'hacked'.
The latter was never really investigated; investigators only took the DNC's
word ( the word of people they hired; they refused to let the FBI do the
checking ). Interesting that it was Comey as FBI director both times.
@Sophie 62:"I'm concerned there will be more rulings like
Citizens United."What's wrong with people making a movie
about a politician and showing that movie to others?Isn't that
really what freedom of speech is all about? The ability to actually make an
argument in the public square, to influence the future of the country?Would you have been against publishing "Common Sense?"
I am less worried about Kavanaugh overturning Roe than I am about him backing
the corporate world over the rights of Americans to maintain clean water and air
access. Over the rights of Americans to have unions to support and protect
people from corporations.I'm concerned that, given his
anti-regulation philosophy, we will again be at the mercy of banks and other
financial institutions that have destroyed the lives and security of millions.
2008. remember that?I'm concerned there will be more rulings like
Citizens United.I think the reason they're trying to rush this
through is to keep Republicans from knowing the details in these missing
documents. They know Dems aren't going to confirm. It would take just
a few honest Reps to derail this confirmation.Otherwise, what's the
hurry? Let everybody see all the pertinent documents and make an informed
decision. Or are they afraid of the truth?
More documents won't make a difference in how the Democrats are going to
vote. None at all. The only reason that they want them is to find on small
detail to hammer Kavanaugh on that would normally be inconsequential. Most of
the Democrats won't vote for him. They have already said so. So the hearings are a farce due to that.Grassley ought to dump the
hearings and McConnell ought to have a full Senate vote tomorrow.No
reason to keep this leftist tragedy going.All of you that talk about
"loyalty to Trump". That is such a wrong headed argument it makes me
laugh. Kavanaugh, if he gets confirmed will be on the Supreme Court long after
Trump leaves town. Trump can rant and rave all he wants. Won't make a
difference on how the court decides cases.All of you whining about
Garland, maybe he'll get his day someday. You sound like Bob Bennett
supporters still whining that Bob lost in convention. Of Hillary supporters
whining that she won the popular vote.
@Jim Chee:"Personally, I want an individual who is a
centrist,"So, just out of curiosity, were you disappointed when
Obama nominated Sotomayor and Kagan? Did you want a centrist then,
or were you OK with those nominations?Furthermore, if you get your
way now, and Trump is forced to withdraw this nomination and install a centrist,
would you feel the same when a future Democratic President needs to replace
Ginsburg? Would you want a centrist then too?
At least we get to witness partisan politics at its best.What more
could we ask for?🤔
His first and foremost loyalty should be to this country above any president or
members of Congress of either party.
McMurphy - St George, UtahSept. 5, 2018 3:01 p.m."And why
do the Democrats need to see more documents? They have already decided to vote
against him."If all Democrats voted against Brett Kavanaugh, he
would become the next Supreme Court justice. The demand to see controversial
documents is not to convince themselves not to support Kavanaugh, but to show
the American people problems with this candidate. Whether Kavanaugh
was selected to protect Donald Trump were Trump were indicted or to complete at
a partisan, conservative court is an issue. But to have a man on the court of
controversial decisions and an extreme view on issues requires careful
consideration.Personally, I want an individual who is a centrist,
interprets the law in ways that apply today, and is knowledgeable and has the
intellect to make good decisions. Kavanaugh doesn't reflect that desire. I
would be more comfortable with a conservative nominee if Mitch McConnell had
been honest and given Merrick Garland the same regard that he demands for
Kavanaugh.I was appalled by Kavanaugh's rebuke of Fred
Guttenberg. The look of scorn on Kavanaugh's face was chilling.
The Supreme Court Justices should be loyal to only the American people, not
Trump, not Obama, not Bush, not Clinton.
Hatch is what he is.
@Impartial7:"I do not believe a single elected member of the GOP
cares one bit about the United States and this SCOTUS dog and pony show proves
it."That seems rather partisan, don't you think?Certainly not "impartial."I expect that there are a few
elected people, of both parties, who simply care about the power inherent in
their position. But I expect most of them care about the US and the
people. Even those I disagree with.You might call it
"being impartial."Personally, the vindictive part of me
would have liked to see Garland treated like Bork. And furthermore, I thought
the leadership was short-sighted because I expected Obama to withdraw
Garland's name on the morning of 11/9/16 after Hillary won. But instead of treating Garland like Bork, they simply said "no."
"We're not going to try to destroy your character, you're still a
good person, but we're going to wait a bit." And like I
said, I thought it was a dumb move, since I expected a Justice much worse than
Garland was going to be the result.
@ RalphAnd why do the Democrats need to see more documents? They
have already decided to vote against him.
@Ernest T. Bass - Bountiful, UTSept. 5, 2018 2:10 p.m.Loyalty to
trump? Come on Orrin, how about loyalty to the Constitution of the United
States. I do not believe a single elected member of the GOP cares one bit about
the United States and this SCOTUS dog and pony show proves it."You got that right. Today's GOP would kick Ronald Reagan out for being
too leftist. Stalin, no. Putin, No. Reagan, yes.
Hatch has sworn loyalty to the republican president.Hatch said the
republican president was the greatest ever!The republican shoe-in
for a lifetime appointment would have never been handed the job if the
republican president thought he would fail to be loyal.He is ready,
willing and able to do the republican president's bidding.BTW,If you were going to give someone a lifetime job,
wouldn't it be a good idea to have all documentation regarding the job
seeker?Or is the fact that he will do as he is told...enough
documentation?I rest my case.
@ralph:Why are you worried about Trump when we're talking about
a USSC vacancy? Isn't the question whether the candidate is
qualified or not?Remember, Elena Kagan was nominated by Obama while
the Senate was majority Democrat, at about the same time into Obama's term
as we are now into Trump's. And Kagan was confirmed by a Senate
of the same party, even when a filibuster was still part of the Senate rules for
USSC nominees, without a lot of drama. She even got 5 (R) votes.So, even if everything that Woodward claims about Trump is true, it's
still part of his duty to nominate somebody for a vacancy on the USSC. There's no part of the constitution that says "Ralph needs to
like the choice."
On Woodward's book; He has been called out for false reporting by two
distinguished people in the book, Mattis and Kelly. Red flags there, friend.
Having read some of Woodward's other books, I was always amazed at the word
- for word conversations. Suspiciously like an historical novel. On
Kavanaugh's legal history - his stints on the bench have not been hidden
from the public; not like a FISA Judge. I suppose some people want to read his
college notes maybe or the letter to Aunt Jane ( if there is one). Asking for
tens of thousands of documents is an obvious harassment and delaying ploy.
Hatch's loyatly to Trump is unquestioned. Hopefully, his office got lit up
yesterday with his constituents concern of Trump's comments about Jeff
Sessions and the justice department over the weekend. Never have we had a
President ask his justice department to look the other way on crimes committed
by members of his own party. The fact Hatch and Lee remain quiet speaks volumes
for their true loyalty and where they stand on our constitution and law of the
Loyalty to trump? Come on Orrin, how about loyalty to the Constitution of the
United States. I do not believe a single elected member of the GOP cares one bit
about the United States and this SCOTUS dog and pony show proves it.The
may be the beginning of the end of the US as we know it and what Hatch is doing
is like pouring gasoline on a fire.
Conservatives:On Woodward’s book: “I’m gonna
need to see direct evidence of his claims if I’m going to believe
him”On Kavanaugh’s legal history: “Why do we
need to see more evidence. I already believe him”
He does not want to talk about his role in authorizing torture. Imagine that.
Kavanaugh is as good a Justice as anyone could expect under the
circumstances.And that's not bad. I think he will do a fine
job. My and many people's concerns about Kavanaugh overturning
Roe v Wade, while justified in light of past statements by Trump and Kavanaugh,
are unlikely to be a real problem.I believe his testimony that he
considers Roe as "established law" and precedent. It is extremely
unlikely that just the right case would arise to give the SCOTUS any opportunity
to affect Roe, and even more unlikely that the Court would overturn almost 50
years of precedent.
Crazy Town requires extreme loyalty or chaos.