Doug Robinson: Big schools vs. little schools — the long-running embarrassment continues

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  • BigB Pleasantville, NJ
    Sept. 9, 2018 10:18 p.m.

    I agree with the overall premise, stop scheduling FCS (1AA) teams. But Power 5's schedule the lower echelon of FBS as well. Troy (mentioned above is an FBS school). It is in the Sun Belt and actually has won a few bowl games. But most of the bigger programs perceive the Sun Belt and Conference USA as a guaranteed wins, only slightly above the FCS schools.

  • PacUtes Orange County, CA
    Sept. 7, 2018 6:18 p.m.

    Big brothers Utah 34
    Little bros BYU 10
    on November 24

    Go Utes!

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Sept. 7, 2018 10:09 a.m.


    This charade has been going on for years in the SEC.

    Just now you decided this needs attention?

    Always on the cutting edge...


  • RR Omaha, NE
    Sept. 7, 2018 8:22 a.m.

    "This article isn't about Utah beating BYU. It is about Utah losing to an FCS team"

    Boris is a smart man. Right on the money. Utah is in this club. It'd be a bigger deal if they had lost in the internet age. But Kimmy is running from this fact her school is in this group by thinking about her rival, again, who is not in this club. It's not a club you form in your treehouse for sure!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 4:29 p.m.

    Funny how the author conveniently "forgot" to mention how the Portland States and Appalachian States knock off or nearly upset a clear favorite as happens every single season.

    Not sure this article has any value to it. Cherry-picked facts to "support" a flawed argument and not taking the viewpoint of why the smaller schools like to test themselves against better competition.

    I can only imagine his take on letting Jamaica have a bobsled team in the olympics...

    Author is clearly in the camp that Utah should not schedule pansies like Weber State and BYU.
    It's likely that Doug's next piece will be on how we get rid of independents all together. Force ND to join a conference and then demote the others to FCS status so they have a chance of winning.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Sept. 6, 2018 3:03 p.m.

    “Agreed. There are enough New Mexico States, Texas El Paso grade teams“

    Might want to avoid UTEP, as they got blasted by NAU @ home.

    Now, ‘85 UTEP is a whole other story, as they played against a FCS-level opponent.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 8:09 a.m.

    Nice dodge, Boris. I'm guessing you were a skilled player on the dodge ball team. 👍

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:41 a.m.

    It's a money maker for the smaller schools. Weber State made $550K for last weeks game. That's why the games need to continue. It's what keeps there athletic programs going. What a silly article.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 6, 2018 7:27 a.m.

    The win/loss record so far this year is FBS 38 FCS 5. That seems to be fairly typical. As long as schools are rewarded for "scheduled wins" the practice will continue.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Sept. 6, 2018 6:55 a.m.

    This article isn't about Utah beating BYU. It is about Utah losing to an FCS team.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 11:08 p.m.

    Oh, and one more thing, Doug.

    Since you’re on your high horse about the haves playing the have nots, isn’t about time you wrote an article pleading to prevent the NCAA allowing the 20 or so Div. I men’s volleyball schools to play an equal number of Div. II schools (with their limited budgets and fewer scholarships) in regular season matches?

    Yeah, can’t wait to see Ohio State take on Belmont Abbey! But only if Lady Mary is the honorary net judge.

  • NeilT Ogden, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 10:41 p.m.

    Players can be injured in an FCS game just easy as they can playing a P 5 school.

  • Cajunzoobie , 00
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:46 p.m.

    Excited for my hometown McNeese Cowboys’ visit to Provo. A few years ago, they beat South Florida by the highest margin ever by an FCS vs FBS team at 32 points. And a year or so before that, they lost late at Nebraska by a touchdown. They have also won a couple times at SUU.

    And McNeese has had its share of beating up on the little guys too, when the SVU Knights went to Lake Charles in 2008 to lose 56-6 and pickup a paycheck.


  • Curtaco Monroe, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:31 p.m.

    You forgot Oregon State vs Ohio State, Arizona vs BYU, UCLA vs Cincinatti

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:13 p.m.

    LOL @ Boris,

    Good thing you have a good memory. It will probably help you try to recall the last time the cougs beat the Utes.😹

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 8:00 p.m.

    At least BYU has never lost to an FCS opponent like the Utes.

    I remember when I was a student at the U watching the Utes lose to the mighty Idaho Vandals who were in the Big Sky at the time.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 7:59 p.m.

    As an independent, byu-p better hope the NCAA doesn't mandate an 11 game schedule. It would make scheduling that much more difficult for them. Especially if the Pac12 remains at 9 conference games.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 7:51 p.m.

    I think Doug raises a fair question. Notice how he doesn't pretend to have THE answer? Perhaps there is no answer, but when some schools pad their record with a lot of cream puff games, against teams that have no chance of winning, then sure, it is unfair. But the unfairness is not so much with the cream puff teams so much as it is with other, more competitive teams. Think of it this way: If USU were to play a cream puff loaded schedule, and end with a record of 11-1, and Utah were to play one or two cream puffs, and the rest of the schedule against tougher opponents, and end with a record of 7-5, the fans would go crazy. The point BYU haters are always trying to make is that when BYU was in the WAC, their schedule wasn't a tough as some of the other teams. BYU won a national championship, but the eastern media made such a big fuss that the P5 conferences were created to keep BYU (and all others not in their club out. Even Utah was short shifted because of this policy. So Doug's article is actually spot on. Like Doug, I don't have the answer either.

  • Bob V. Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 6:42 p.m.

    I completely agree with this argument. The author is correct. This is the reason that I believe BYU and Utah should not schedule each other. It just isn't fair and the outcome is a forgone conclusion.

  • Wally Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 4:34 p.m.

    I fail to see why all you "naysayers" are so wrought up about almost everything Doug Robinson writes. He is an excellent analyst and writer. True, he does choose many controversial subjects, but he is fair-minded. I won't miss his columns.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 4:33 p.m.

    Why not? It got BYU a "National Championship", didn't it!

  • a_voice_of_reason Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 4:07 p.m.

    I hate the FBS/FCS games personally. But, I've come to understand how much the FCS schools rely on the payouts from these games - and it is always fun to see one win a game - particularly against a ranked opponent.

    That said, wouldn't a better method be that the NCAA carve-out a portion of proceeds somewhere - a small percentage of each team's budget, or perhaps a carve-out of the Playoff proceeds - to provide a large pool of cash to the FCS schools instead? Wouldn't all the FBS teams do better with TV revenues and ticket revenues to have another legitimate 12th game? Wouldn't that offset the cost of "giving" the cash to the FCS schools? Probably not feasible because it would be challenging to administer in a "fair" way - both the collection and disbursement - but I would prefer it as a fan. The only reason I'm looking forward to BYU-McNeese State, is that I could consider paying very little for unwanted tickets to take my kids to a game where I know their team will win - and I could leave at halftime and miss nothing if they get tired. Not a very compelling game by any standards.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    Nothing quite like watching someone get outraged on behalf of someone else who is fully capable of speaking for themselves.

    What Doug is doing here reminds me of the white NCAA administrators who said Utah can't have the Utes as a mascot and never even asked the tribe for their thoughts.

    There's no slavery here, Doug. If FCS schools didn't want these games, they wouldn't schedule them. Nobody is forcing Old Dominion to play Missouri, or Weber to play Utah. They willingly schedule these games, knowing full well they're probably going to get worked.

    Get off it, Doug. You're clamoring for a solution to a non-problem. When/if it becomes a problem, the schools have an easy way to sort it out themselves.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:29 p.m.

    The reality is that FCS schools will be the most hurt if the FBS/FCS beat downs end. FCS schools need the pay day.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    USC, UCLA, and Notre Dame do not schedule FCS opponents (never have). That risks more loss, and those schools could miss the playoffs because of that.

    "no FCS" would be a good policy for the Autonomous P5. But first, they should settle on number of conference games. 8 or 9, pick one. Get on the same page.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:13 p.m.

    Hmmm .. I wonder why Doug didn't mention BYU when he was ranting about Savannah State?

    I bet you anything Savannah State was more than thrilled to play at LES for a good payday.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Sept. 5, 2018 3:10 p.m.

    It’s not always so black and white. Boise State beat Utah when they were a lower division team. Appalachian State beat Michigan, which probably helped their progression toward FBS status. Washington State regularly loses to FCS teams. You could write a diffferent opinion tomorrow using the data you disregarded for today’s piece.
    Maybe explore the importance for FCS teams of the cash and opportunity that comes from these big games.

  • Blackend Midvale, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 2:42 p.m.

    Of course, leave it to Doug to point out the negative side of things. What Doug, a so-called sports fan, fails to recognize is most of these FCS opponents who play an FBS opponent need these paydays to fund a huge part of their athletic programs. Is it good football -- usually not, but is it necessary for schools like Weber State so they can maintain a football program -- yes. Your solution of cutting out a 12th game hurts these FCS schools -- not to mention a fan of football who simply wants to watch a game, regardless of the opponent. Plus, every so often you get those upsets like an Appalachian State over Michigan or North Dakota State over Iowa. Mr. Negativity chiming in once again. Doug is a very talented writer, but to say he sees the glass as half-empty is being optimistic.

  • lars44 draper, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 2:42 p.m.

    Agreed. There are enough New Mexico States, Texas El Paso grade teams from "Mid Major" conferences out there to fill out a 12 game schedule. Most would love another P5 game.
    FCS games should never be played.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 2:20 p.m.

    Ahh, Doug; more hand-wringing today? Sounds like an ingenious solution to what most consider a non-existent problem.

    Perhaps you ought to direct your rant at the SEC schools, 5 of which you call out for just last week. The rest will do it later in the season. They have all made an art form of getting away with it for years. If they quit doing it, the other FBS schools will follow.

    Better yet, why don't you put a little journalistic effort into finding out how those shamefully exploited FCS schools feel about it? There are as many of them as there are FBS schools, and if they didn't want/need the money they could surely boycott FBS schools--even those nearby that don't require huge travel expenses to go play.

    And where do you draw the line, all FBS schools, just P5's, what?

    I don't know, Doug. Sometimes the twaddle becomes too much.

  • Jataylor01 Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 5, 2018 12:47 p.m.

    I don't mind it. I'd get in a ring with Floyd Mayweather for a smooth half mil.

  • bluesmule Sandy, UT
    Sept. 5, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    I mean, as a fan, nobody wants to go watch a lopsided game. I'm ok with it because it's a nice payday for programs that are on smaller budgets, but it's still not good football and shouldn't be treated as such.