I agree with the overall premise, stop scheduling FCS (1AA) teams. But Power
5's schedule the lower echelon of FBS as well. Troy (mentioned above is an
FBS school). It is in the Sun Belt and actually has won a few bowl games. But
most of the bigger programs perceive the Sun Belt and Conference USA as a
guaranteed wins, only slightly above the FCS schools.
Big brothers Utah 34Little bros BYU 10on November 24Go
Doug...This charade has been going on for years in the SEC.Just now you decided this needs attention?Always on the cutting
"This article isn't about Utah beating BYU. It is about Utah losing to
an FCS team"Boris is a smart man. Right on the money. Utah is in
this club. It'd be a bigger deal if they had lost in the internet age. But
Kimmy is running from this fact her school is in this group by thinking about
her rival, again, who is not in this club. It's not a club you form in your
treehouse for sure!
Funny how the author conveniently "forgot" to mention how the Portland
States and Appalachian States knock off or nearly upset a clear favorite as
happens every single season. Not sure this article has any value to
it. Cherry-picked facts to "support" a flawed argument and not taking
the viewpoint of why the smaller schools like to test themselves against better
competition. I can only imagine his take on letting Jamaica have a
bobsled team in the olympics...Author is clearly in the camp that
Utah should not schedule pansies like Weber State and BYU.It's likely
that Doug's next piece will be on how we get rid of independents all
together. Force ND to join a conference and then demote the others to FCS status
so they have a chance of winning.
“Agreed. There are enough New Mexico States, Texas El Paso grade
teams“Might want to avoid UTEP, as they got blasted by NAU @
home.Now, ‘85 UTEP is a whole other story, as they played
against a FCS-level opponent.
Nice dodge, Boris. I'm guessing you were a skilled player on the dodge
ball team. 👍
It's a money maker for the smaller schools. Weber State made $550K for last
weeks game. That's why the games need to continue. It's what keeps
there athletic programs going. What a silly article.
The win/loss record so far this year is FBS 38 FCS 5. That seems to be fairly
typical. As long as schools are rewarded for "scheduled wins" the
practice will continue.
This article isn't about Utah beating BYU. It is about Utah losing to an
Oh, and one more thing, Doug.Since you’re on your high horse
about the haves playing the have nots, isn’t about time you wrote an
article pleading to prevent the NCAA allowing the 20 or so Div. I men’s
volleyball schools to play an equal number of Div. II schools (with their
limited budgets and fewer scholarships) in regular season matches? Yeah, can’t wait to see Ohio State take on Belmont Abbey! But only if
Lady Mary is the honorary net judge.
Players can be injured in an FCS game just easy as they can playing a P 5
Excited for my hometown McNeese Cowboys’ visit to Provo. A few years ago,
they beat South Florida by the highest margin ever by an FCS vs FBS team at 32
points. And a year or so before that, they lost late at Nebraska by a
touchdown. They have also won a couple times at SUU. And McNeese
has had its share of beating up on the little guys too, when the SVU Knights
went to Lake Charles in 2008 to lose 56-6 and pickup a paycheck.#Geauxpokes
You forgot Oregon State vs Ohio State, Arizona vs BYU, UCLA vs Cincinatti
LOL @ Boris,Good thing you have a good memory. It will probably help
you try to recall the last time the cougs beat the Utes.😹
At least BYU has never lost to an FCS opponent like the Utes.I
remember when I was a student at the U watching the Utes lose to the mighty
Idaho Vandals who were in the Big Sky at the time.
As an independent, byu-p better hope the NCAA doesn't mandate an 11 game
schedule. It would make scheduling that much more difficult for them. Especially
if the Pac12 remains at 9 conference games.
I think Doug raises a fair question. Notice how he doesn't pretend to have
THE answer? Perhaps there is no answer, but when some schools pad their record
with a lot of cream puff games, against teams that have no chance of winning,
then sure, it is unfair. But the unfairness is not so much with the cream puff
teams so much as it is with other, more competitive teams. Think of it this
way: If USU were to play a cream puff loaded schedule, and end with a record of
11-1, and Utah were to play one or two cream puffs, and the rest of the schedule
against tougher opponents, and end with a record of 7-5, the fans would go
crazy. The point BYU haters are always trying to make is that when BYU was in
the WAC, their schedule wasn't a tough as some of the other teams. BYU won
a national championship, but the eastern media made such a big fuss that the P5
conferences were created to keep BYU (and all others not in their club out.
Even Utah was short shifted because of this policy. So Doug's article is
actually spot on. Like Doug, I don't have the answer either.
I completely agree with this argument. The author is correct. This is the reason
that I believe BYU and Utah should not schedule each other. It just isn't
fair and the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
I fail to see why all you "naysayers" are so wrought up about almost
everything Doug Robinson writes. He is an excellent analyst and writer. True,
he does choose many controversial subjects, but he is fair-minded. I won't
miss his columns.
Why not? It got BYU a "National Championship", didn't it!
I hate the FBS/FCS games personally. But, I've come to understand how much
the FCS schools rely on the payouts from these games - and it is always fun to
see one win a game - particularly against a ranked opponent.That
said, wouldn't a better method be that the NCAA carve-out a portion of
proceeds somewhere - a small percentage of each team's budget, or perhaps a
carve-out of the Playoff proceeds - to provide a large pool of cash to the FCS
schools instead? Wouldn't all the FBS teams do better with TV revenues and
ticket revenues to have another legitimate 12th game? Wouldn't that offset
the cost of "giving" the cash to the FCS schools? Probably not feasible
because it would be challenging to administer in a "fair" way - both the
collection and disbursement - but I would prefer it as a fan. The only reason
I'm looking forward to BYU-McNeese State, is that I could consider paying
very little for unwanted tickets to take my kids to a game where I know their
team will win - and I could leave at halftime and miss nothing if they get
tired. Not a very compelling game by any standards.
Nothing quite like watching someone get outraged on behalf of someone else who
is fully capable of speaking for themselves.What Doug is doing here
reminds me of the white NCAA administrators who said Utah can't have the
Utes as a mascot and never even asked the tribe for their thoughts.There's no slavery here, Doug. If FCS schools didn't want these
games, they wouldn't schedule them. Nobody is forcing Old Dominion to play
Missouri, or Weber to play Utah. They willingly schedule these games, knowing
full well they're probably going to get worked.Get off it,
Doug. You're clamoring for a solution to a non-problem. When/if it becomes
a problem, the schools have an easy way to sort it out themselves.
The reality is that FCS schools will be the most hurt if the FBS/FCS beat downs
end. FCS schools need the pay day.
USC, UCLA, and Notre Dame do not schedule FCS opponents (never have). That
risks more loss, and those schools could miss the playoffs because of that."no FCS" would be a good policy for the Autonomous P5. But
first, they should settle on number of conference games. 8 or 9, pick one. Get
on the same page.
Hmmm .. I wonder why Doug didn't mention BYU when he was ranting about
Savannah State?I bet you anything Savannah State was more than
thrilled to play at LES for a good payday.
It’s not always so black and white. Boise State beat Utah when they were a
lower division team. Appalachian State beat Michigan, which probably helped
their progression toward FBS status. Washington State regularly loses to FCS
teams. You could write a diffferent opinion tomorrow using the data you
disregarded for today’s piece. Maybe explore the importance for FCS
teams of the cash and opportunity that comes from these big games.
Of course, leave it to Doug to point out the negative side of things. What Doug,
a so-called sports fan, fails to recognize is most of these FCS opponents who
play an FBS opponent need these paydays to fund a huge part of their athletic
programs. Is it good football -- usually not, but is it necessary for schools
like Weber State so they can maintain a football program -- yes. Your solution
of cutting out a 12th game hurts these FCS schools -- not to mention a fan of
football who simply wants to watch a game, regardless of the opponent. Plus,
every so often you get those upsets like an Appalachian State over Michigan or
North Dakota State over Iowa. Mr. Negativity chiming in once again. Doug is a
very talented writer, but to say he sees the glass as half-empty is being
Agreed. There are enough New Mexico States, Texas El Paso grade teams from
"Mid Major" conferences out there to fill out a 12 game schedule. Most
would love another P5 game. FCS games should never be played.
Ahh, Doug; more hand-wringing today? Sounds like an ingenious solution to what
most consider a non-existent problem.Perhaps you ought to direct
your rant at the SEC schools, 5 of which you call out for just last week. The
rest will do it later in the season. They have all made an art form of getting
away with it for years. If they quit doing it, the other FBS schools will
follow.Better yet, why don't you put a little journalistic
effort into finding out how those shamefully exploited FCS schools feel about
it? There are as many of them as there are FBS schools, and if they didn't
want/need the money they could surely boycott FBS schools--even those nearby
that don't require huge travel expenses to go play.And where do
you draw the line, all FBS schools, just P5's, what? I
don't know, Doug. Sometimes the twaddle becomes too much.
I don't mind it. I'd get in a ring with Floyd Mayweather for a smooth
I mean, as a fan, nobody wants to go watch a lopsided game. I'm ok with it
because it's a nice payday for programs that are on smaller budgets, but
it's still not good football and shouldn't be treated as such.