"Let's start now," the governor said, adding he will be comfortable
with Utah moving forward on medical marijuana even if Washington ends up doing
nothing. "I will, absolutely." While Herbert said he'd prefer a
"dual-track" approach with Congress,'' The Drug
Enforcement Administration and Food and Drug Administration have MJ listed as
Schedule One Drug, 'No medical purpose, and highly addictive.'
Meaning, studies for seizures using placebos, do not support any medical upside,
and a major downside - addiction. Besides damaging brain and memory. The DEA
is revoking physician prescription privileges for illegal drug distribution.
Neither Utah (nor colorado, nor California, nor any state) have the expertise to
approve this. Who is advising the Governor? There is no such thing as medical
marijuana anymore than there is medical manure.
How does the fact that marijuana is against federal law, fit into
Treat MMJ like any other drug--it has to be prescribed by a legitimate doctor
and picked up at a pharmacy. It is a drug, pure and simple, with possible long
term effects on memory and motor skills. How do you think the term "pot
head" came about? Because it causes changes in the brain. MMJ as it is
proposed in Prop 2 is a societal disaster waiting to happen. And we don't
need county clinics to become dispensaries. Talk about making bad policy even
Thanks brain, but you are being a little disingenuous - you and I both know that
Partial7 was talking about the US constitution. As for what you
posted from the US constitution - where does it say "Separation of Church
and State"? Where does it say that a church can't voice it's
opinion on an issue? Let me help you out. Sentence 1 - No state
sponsored religion, 2 - religion can't be a basis for the GOVERNMENT
discriminating against INDIVIDUALS. 3-No church can be a part of the government
4-Public money cant be used to sponsor a church.So again - in those
4 points where does it limit the Church's constitutional RIGHT to have a
public opinion? All of the points are limits on the government, not the Church.
Yet another aspect of the constitution ignored by left wingers.Thanks though for proving my point beyond all doubt.
"... including having county health departments serving as
dispensaries."Because having the state in charge of liquor
distribution works so well?Gimme a break.Voting Yes on
How about this PP?Article I, Section 4. [Religious liberty.]
The rights of conscience shall never be infringed. The State shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office
of public trust or for any vote at any election; nor shall any person be
incompetent as a witness or juror on account of religious belief or the absence
thereof. There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church
dominate the State or interfere with its functions. No public money or property
shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or
instruction, or for the support of any ecclesiastical establishment.Straight out of the Utah Constitution.
A public vote on Prop 2seems to be the only thing that got the ball
rolling...So I think I'llVote YES for PROP 2Stimulate those lawmakers!
Personally I am for MJ being prescribed by doctors and dispensed from pharmacies
just like any drug. There is absolutely no valid reason to have home grown
options or "dispensaries" outside of the normal drug distribution
network. BTW, this is the same position the Church has contrary to some peoples
rantings here.YaskY - Millions? Really? I would't describe
the total population of the Utah as "millions". Maybe a few million,
but not "Millions". I doubt that Utah has 1000 people who would
significantly benefit from MJ use. And before any of you get all crazy - I have
3 family members who have tried it for medical reasons. Every one was a dismal
failure. The MJ did nothing for the pain and caused other reactions that
significantly exacerbated the medical conditions. These are 3 real cases - not
some mythical "millions" that will die, of "family member in
pain" without recreational MJ.Partial7 - can you show me in the
constitution where it says separation of church and state? I know leftists in
Utah like to cry about that every time the Church offers an opinion, but really
- that fake claim is getting really old. Facts first please.
So the governor wants to be a bully and the legislators are crying for us to
just give them one more chance. An old adage comes to mind: Fool me once,
shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Our single party state government has
had chance after chance to do the right thing, and has failed miserably, which
is why this measure is on the ballot. Come on, Utahns, this is our only chance
to legalize this pain killing substitute for opioids. Vote "yes" on
Can't Gov Herbert call a special session now and get something passed
immediately? That would take the air out of Prop 2. Just allow me to get a
'permission slip' from my doctor stating I can benefit from MM with
THC in an edible form. I'll go get it myself from a border state where it
is legal. Utah legislators can work out how to dispense it here later. We don't want to wait for the next legislative session. Give us
something to go on now. In fact, hundreds of Utahns are not waiting, and are
doing just that: driving to border states to get MM for pain relief.
I dont buy it. I am voting yes.
Those "college students" and "children" you claim to be trying
to protect by opposing this legislation - if they want recreational MJ, they
will get that anyway. This legislation won't change that at all. What this will do is enable those millions of us who have family members who
are in serious, chronic pain and suffering to get them the relief they need and
deserve. I hear Utah conservatives repeatedly argue that gun control
laws are useless because criminals don't obey laws.Why
can't you see that same logic regarding illegal marijuana?!
"Most medical on Friday to young men under 25. If you want to legalize, just
do so. But quit with the so many are suffering line. Yes, a few are suffering,
but most of the dope will be used by the college age, as it has always
been."The problem lies with the doctor in this scenario, just as
it did with opioids. The difference here is opioids had and still have wide
distribution, while this proposition creates a very limited distribution
network. Personally I'm not against the legalization of
marijuana but not for it particularly either. I am adamantly for
the this proposal because of personal experience with chronic pain. I would say
to those in a similar place, shame on us if we let this opportunity go by and
shame on us if we were to let it get out of hand.
Don't be fooled by this diversion. Vote for the initiative and then if
some things need to be fixed then the that can be done by legislation. Vote it
down and it will die forever because that is the real aim of its opponents.
Scientific evidence today on the indications and effectiveness of cannabis are
the same as described by our ancestors.The Cannabis used 10,000
years ago by Taiwanese as fibre and food, as a treatment for constipation,
psoriatic arthritis. It has been used by Egyptians as analgesic suppositories
for haemorrhoids and by Indians as a treatment for insomnia, headaches,
gastrointestinal problems and for pain. The Ancient Greeks used it to treat
epistaxis. The Arab world had used it from the eighth to the eighteenth century
as an analgesic, an anti-inflammatory and an anti-epileptic. Its use declined in
the late nineteenth century as opium became more popular and easier to use.
@DESNEWSRecently the Desnews posted an article describing
Utah's problem with Opioids, guns, depression & suicide. Now here
comes the mighty governor to squash the bill. Why is the government so quick
to destroy a possible remedy for so many who need help?
To answer those that say a few are suffering, but the majority of people that
will use the marijuana are college students. Not sure about how these people
know that for sure, but I am sure about this...if you had a family member with
screaming headaches that last days...and so bad that he loses jobs, as well as
any sort of quality time with his wife and children...and has numerous
surgeries, none of which have done anything except put his family in debt, you
would do whatever you could to help him end his suffering. Medical marijuana
would help many who are suffering. The legislature is an embarrassment to our
state. An example of keeping their heads in the sand and act like the problem
isn't really worth them sticking their neck out.
@Born in BountifulYes, a few are suffering, but most of the dope
will be used by the college age, as it has always been.======How many need to suffer before it counts or we need to address it? Did the Good Shepard not leave the 99 to aide the 1? Shouldn’t 1
person suffering be cause sufficient to seek relief?
Years of inaction by the legislature. Thank goodness for the initiative process.
An active Mormon who will vote yes on Prop 2. Looking forward to some relief for
those close to me who suffer from chronic pain.
Go by the Arizona experience. Most medical on Friday to young men under 25. If
you want to legalize, just do so. But quit with the so many are suffering line.
Yes, a few are suffering, but most of the dope will be used by the college age,
as it has always been.
I am a member of the LDS church and will be voting FOR this initiative. Real
people are suffering and need relief NOW! We cannot continue to depend on the
legislature, or Gov. Herbert, to do anything anytime soon. Prop 2 is probably
the most conservative medical cannabis laws that have been passed in any of the
30 or so states that have legalized it. There are many safeguards and the lies
being told by the opposition about how it's not about helping patients but
is really about recreational marijuana are just that: Lies. Go Prop 2!
I hope he will do this. This has got to get done. Enough with studies. Get
legislation, regulations, growers in place and get this done.
The pot industry has used the same strategy in state after state: trot out the
terminally ill to push false claims that only “medical” marijuana
can help, then profit as medical marijuana turns into full fledged recreational
drug use – the fig leaf of medical marijuana giving way to an ugly scene
of addiction.State after state has fallen for this ruse, Utah can do
better.The pot industry needs addicts to fuel their profits. Utah
doesn’t need more drug users.Don’t fall for it.
A number of commenters have noted that the UMA, LDS church, and legislature have
lost credibility on this issue. Their years of inaction and obstruction has only
fueled this emotional fire. I hope a compromise can be found, but I'm
skeptical about it coming from the legislature.
"He said lawmakers could come up with a 'common-sense position' on
using marijuana"I'm a big fan of Governor Herbert, but with
all do respect, actions speak louder than words.Senator Madsen did
nothing less than beg for any common sense input from legislators. Did so for
years, and was met with silence - for years.Prior actions suggest
that the bulk of our lawmakers simply do not believe in the medicinal value of
marijuana. Contradicting yesterday's actions with today's rhetoric is
not leadership. The bully pulpit is for leaders.
There's a moral use of force that many members of the LDS faith are
rejecting that Ezra Taft Benson taught - we cannot delegate to government powers
that we as individuals do not have. If a person doesn’t have the moral
authority to force their neighbor to live by their dietary code then they are
not morally justified in delegating that authority to government. Yet, there are
many who feel justified in imposing their moral codes under the banner of
government, in the name of morality but in the reality of mob-rule. Though their
intentions are usually pure—to rid the world of evil—they
unintentionally perpetuate the very thing they aim to annihilate. How are their
methods any more justified than the crusaders who wished to bring people to
Christ?Not only is it immoral to make laws forbidding vices, it
doesn’t make practical sense either. Prohibition in the 1920’s and
the war on drugs since the 1970’s serve as sufficient examples of why
punishing vices through force is expensive, impractical, and unsustainable.I'd prefer that we lived by George Albert Smith's creed:
"I would not seek to force people to live up to my ideals but rather love
them into doing the thing that is right."
The legislature had its chance. The citizenry has spoken, and will speak again
in November. There is no reason to let sick people suffer needlessly. Why
limit the choices of others? I cannot in good conscience deny someone the relief
they need just because healthy bureaucrats have "concerns". Six Utahns
will dies this week from opioids. Any "concern" one might have does not
justify even one death.
Any "rational person" would vote for Prop 2, despite any so called
"problems" which are not really problems, just "irrational"
judgements and fears.The rationale for ending the war on drugs; and
decriminalizing all drug use, manufacture, distribution, possession, and even
use; far surpasses any purpose that can be served by this continual bloody
war.Don't get me wrong. I am just as much against drug abuse
as the leaders of our nation. But there are more effect ways to handle drug
abuse, addiction, and the mental illnesses than locking criminals up; spending
billions of dollars on police including giving them military gear and training;
and continuing the perpetration of a Police State; that is the current state of
affairs with this war.
Pass Prop2 now to get the issue and the relief moving and then, if necessary,
refine it in the legislature. People have suffered long enough. It's long
past time to allow them relief, without the need to use opiods, now.
The biggest part of the proclamation I found most distasteful was all the
legislators signing on. They have done little or nothing on this issue and I
doubt will do anything in the future. Anything for a free campaign
The Governor may take the Bully Pulpit, but the legislature will continue to sit
on their hands.
I am disgusted with the church's meddling in this.
"Gov. Gary Herbert said Thursday he wants the Legislature to take action on
medical marijuana regardless of what happens in November with the proposition on
the ballot."Yeah, now that his nose is rubbed in it, he is
finally pushing the issue. Just craft a sensible law instead of the current
abomination going to the ballots.
Herbert's a lame duck governor. He has no sway over the Legislature. He did
however, get the memo from "the" church to 86 prop 2. Utah conservatives
love to pretend they love the Constitution. Except for the "Separation of
Church and State" stuff.
I think that Marijuana Policy Project's version of the law the legislature
had added too many giveaways for the industry. Having the state run dispensaries
may not be the best option, but hopefully it doesn't allow as written in
Prop 2 vaping marijuana.