Utah governor says he'll use 'bully pulpit' to get lawmakers to act on medical marijuana

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  • Edmunds Tucker St. George, UT
    Sept. 4, 2018 8:17 p.m.

    "Let's start now," the governor said, adding he will be comfortable with Utah moving forward on medical marijuana even if Washington ends up doing nothing. "I will, absolutely." While Herbert said he'd prefer a "dual-track" approach with Congress,''
    The Drug Enforcement Administration and Food and Drug Administration have MJ listed as Schedule One Drug, 'No medical purpose, and highly addictive.' Meaning, studies for seizures using placebos, do not support any medical upside, and a major downside - addiction. Besides damaging brain and memory. The DEA is revoking physician prescription privileges for illegal drug distribution. Neither Utah (nor colorado, nor California, nor any state) have the expertise to approve this. Who is advising the Governor? There is no such thing as medical marijuana anymore than there is medical manure.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Sept. 4, 2018 1:40 a.m.

    How does the fact that marijuana is against federal law, fit into this "bullying"?????

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 11:03 p.m.

    Treat MMJ like any other drug--it has to be prescribed by a legitimate doctor and picked up at a pharmacy. It is a drug, pure and simple, with possible long term effects on memory and motor skills. How do you think the term "pot head" came about? Because it causes changes in the brain. MMJ as it is proposed in Prop 2 is a societal disaster waiting to happen. And we don't need county clinics to become dispensaries. Talk about making bad policy even worse!

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    Thanks brain, but you are being a little disingenuous - you and I both know that Partial7 was talking about the US constitution.

    As for what you posted from the US constitution - where does it say "Separation of Church and State"? Where does it say that a church can't voice it's opinion on an issue?

    Let me help you out. Sentence 1 - No state sponsored religion, 2 - religion can't be a basis for the GOVERNMENT discriminating against INDIVIDUALS. 3-No church can be a part of the government 4-Public money cant be used to sponsor a church.

    So again - in those 4 points where does it limit the Church's constitutional RIGHT to have a public opinion? All of the points are limits on the government, not the Church. Yet another aspect of the constitution ignored by left wingers.

    Thanks though for proving my point beyond all doubt.

  • RedRockUte St George, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 12:38 p.m.

    "... including having county health departments serving as dispensaries."

    Because having the state in charge of liquor distribution works so well?

    Gimme a break.

    Voting Yes on Prop 2.

  • brainoncapitalist Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 12:36 p.m.

    How about this PP?

    Article I, Section 4. [Religious liberty.]
    The rights of conscience shall never be infringed. The State shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office of public trust or for any vote at any election; nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror on account of religious belief or the absence thereof. There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise or instruction, or for the support of any ecclesiastical establishment.

    Straight out of the Utah Constitution.

  • AC_68 Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    A public vote on Prop 2
    seems to be the only thing that
    got the ball rolling...
    So I think I'll

    Vote YES for PROP 2

    Stimulate those lawmakers!

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    Personally I am for MJ being prescribed by doctors and dispensed from pharmacies just like any drug. There is absolutely no valid reason to have home grown options or "dispensaries" outside of the normal drug distribution network. BTW, this is the same position the Church has contrary to some peoples rantings here.

    YaskY - Millions? Really? I would't describe the total population of the Utah as "millions". Maybe a few million, but not "Millions". I doubt that Utah has 1000 people who would significantly benefit from MJ use. And before any of you get all crazy - I have 3 family members who have tried it for medical reasons. Every one was a dismal failure. The MJ did nothing for the pain and caused other reactions that significantly exacerbated the medical conditions. These are 3 real cases - not some mythical "millions" that will die, of "family member in pain" without recreational MJ.

    Partial7 - can you show me in the constitution where it says separation of church and state? I know leftists in Utah like to cry about that every time the Church offers an opinion, but really - that fake claim is getting really old. Facts first please.

  • uterebel50 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    So the governor wants to be a bully and the legislators are crying for us to just give them one more chance. An old adage comes to mind: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Our single party state government has had chance after chance to do the right thing, and has failed miserably, which is why this measure is on the ballot. Come on, Utahns, this is our only chance to legalize this pain killing substitute for opioids. Vote "yes" on Proposition 2.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 9:44 a.m.

    Can't Gov Herbert call a special session now and get something passed immediately? That would take the air out of Prop 2. Just allow me to get a 'permission slip' from my doctor stating I can benefit from MM with THC in an edible form. I'll go get it myself from a border state where it is legal. Utah legislators can work out how to dispense it here later.

    We don't want to wait for the next legislative session. Give us something to go on now. In fact, hundreds of Utahns are not waiting, and are doing just that: driving to border states to get MM for pain relief.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 8:27 a.m.

    I dont buy it.

    I am voting yes.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    Those "college students" and "children" you claim to be trying to protect by opposing this legislation - if they want recreational MJ, they will get that anyway. This legislation won't change that at all.

    What this will do is enable those millions of us who have family members who are in serious, chronic pain and suffering to get them the relief they need and deserve.

    I hear Utah conservatives repeatedly argue that gun control laws are useless because criminals don't obey laws.

    Why can't you see that same logic regarding illegal marijuana?!

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 7:58 a.m.

    "Most medical on Friday to young men under 25. If you want to legalize, just do so. But quit with the so many are suffering line. Yes, a few are suffering, but most of the dope will be used by the college age, as it has always been."

    The problem lies with the doctor in this scenario, just as it did with opioids. The difference here is opioids had and still have wide distribution, while this proposition creates a very limited distribution network.

    Personally I'm not against the legalization of marijuana but not for it particularly either.

    I am adamantly for the this proposal because of personal experience with chronic pain. I would say to those in a similar place, shame on us if we let this opportunity go by and shame on us if we were to let it get out of hand.

  • rhodger Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2018 7:56 a.m.

    Don't be fooled by this diversion. Vote for the initiative and then if some things need to be fixed then the that can be done by legislation. Vote it down and it will die forever because that is the real aim of its opponents.

  • MattAllalone UK, 00
    Aug. 31, 2018 4:12 a.m.

    Scientific evidence today on the indications and effectiveness of cannabis are the same as described by our ancestors.

    The Cannabis used 10,000 years ago by Taiwanese as fibre and food, as a treatment for constipation, psoriatic arthritis. It has been used by Egyptians as analgesic suppositories for haemorrhoids and by Indians as a treatment for insomnia, headaches, gastrointestinal problems and for pain. The Ancient Greeks used it to treat epistaxis. The Arab world had used it from the eighth to the eighteenth century as an analgesic, an anti-inflammatory and an anti-epileptic. Its use declined in the late nineteenth century as opium became more popular and easier to use.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 30, 2018 6:07 p.m.


    Recently the Desnews posted an article describing Utah's problem with Opioids, guns, depression & suicide. Now here comes the mighty governor to squash the bill. Why is the government so quick to destroy a possible remedy for so many who need help?

  • chuckster Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 6:09 p.m.

    To answer those that say a few are suffering, but the majority of people that will use the marijuana are college students. Not sure about how these people know that for sure, but I am sure about this...if you had a family member with screaming headaches that last days...and so bad that he loses jobs, as well as any sort of quality time with his wife and children...and has numerous surgeries, none of which have done anything except put his family in debt, you would do whatever you could to help him end his suffering. Medical marijuana would help many who are suffering. The legislature is an embarrassment to our state. An example of keeping their heads in the sand and act like the problem isn't really worth them sticking their neck out.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 5:50 p.m.

    @Born in Bountiful

    Yes, a few are suffering, but most of the dope will be used by the college age, as it has always been.


    How many need to suffer before it counts or we need to address it?

    Did the Good Shepard not leave the 99 to aide the 1? Shouldn’t 1 person suffering be cause sufficient to seek relief?

  • sgrox Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 5:15 p.m.

    Years of inaction by the legislature. Thank goodness for the initiative process. An active Mormon who will vote yes on Prop 2. Looking forward to some relief for those close to me who suffer from chronic pain.

  • Born in Bountiful Provo, Utah
    Aug. 30, 2018 5:12 p.m.

    Go by the Arizona experience. Most medical on Friday to young men under 25. If you want to legalize, just do so. But quit with the so many are suffering line. Yes, a few are suffering, but most of the dope will be used by the college age, as it has always been.

  • brainoncapitalist Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 4:27 p.m.

    I am a member of the LDS church and will be voting FOR this initiative. Real people are suffering and need relief NOW! We cannot continue to depend on the legislature, or Gov. Herbert, to do anything anytime soon. Prop 2 is probably the most conservative medical cannabis laws that have been passed in any of the 30 or so states that have legalized it. There are many safeguards and the lies being told by the opposition about how it's not about helping patients but is really about recreational marijuana are just that: Lies. Go Prop 2!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 4:21 p.m.

    I hope he will do this. This has got to get done. Enough with studies. Get legislation, regulations, growers in place and get this done.

  • 112358 Alpine, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    The pot industry has used the same strategy in state after state: trot out the terminally ill to push false claims that only “medical” marijuana can help, then profit as medical marijuana turns into full fledged recreational drug use – the fig leaf of medical marijuana giving way to an ugly scene of addiction.

    State after state has fallen for this ruse, Utah can do better.

    The pot industry needs addicts to fuel their profits. Utah doesn’t need more drug users.

    Don’t fall for it.

  • sgallen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 3:51 p.m.

    A number of commenters have noted that the UMA, LDS church, and legislature have lost credibility on this issue. Their years of inaction and obstruction has only fueled this emotional fire. I hope a compromise can be found, but I'm skeptical about it coming from the legislature.

  • I.M. Fletch Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    "He said lawmakers could come up with a 'common-sense position' on using marijuana"

    I'm a big fan of Governor Herbert, but with all do respect, actions speak louder than words.

    Senator Madsen did nothing less than beg for any common sense input from legislators. Did so for years, and was met with silence - for years.

    Prior actions suggest that the bulk of our lawmakers simply do not believe in the medicinal value of marijuana. Contradicting yesterday's actions with today's rhetoric is not leadership. The bully pulpit is for leaders.

  • JamesD Salem, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    There's a moral use of force that many members of the LDS faith are rejecting that Ezra Taft Benson taught - we cannot delegate to government powers that we as individuals do not have. If a person doesn’t have the moral authority to force their neighbor to live by their dietary code then they are not morally justified in delegating that authority to government. Yet, there are many who feel justified in imposing their moral codes under the banner of government, in the name of morality but in the reality of mob-rule. Though their intentions are usually pure—to rid the world of evil—they unintentionally perpetuate the very thing they aim to annihilate. How are their methods any more justified than the crusaders who wished to bring people to Christ?

    Not only is it immoral to make laws forbidding vices, it doesn’t make practical sense either. Prohibition in the 1920’s and the war on drugs since the 1970’s serve as sufficient examples of why punishing vices through force is expensive, impractical, and unsustainable.

    I'd prefer that we lived by George Albert Smith's creed: "I would not seek to force people to live up to my ideals but rather love them into doing the thing that is right."

  • goducks SANTA CLARA, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 3:08 p.m.

    The legislature had its chance. The citizenry has spoken, and will speak again in November. There is no reason to let sick people suffer needlessly. Why limit the choices of others? I cannot in good conscience deny someone the relief they need just because healthy bureaucrats have "concerns". Six Utahns will dies this week from opioids. Any "concern" one might have does not justify even one death.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 3:06 p.m.

    Any "rational person" would vote for Prop 2, despite any so called "problems" which are not really problems, just "irrational" judgements and fears.

    The rationale for ending the war on drugs; and decriminalizing all drug use, manufacture, distribution, possession, and even use; far surpasses any purpose that can be served by this continual bloody war.

    Don't get me wrong. I am just as much against drug abuse as the leaders of our nation. But there are more effect ways to handle drug abuse, addiction, and the mental illnesses than locking criminals up; spending billions of dollars on police including giving them military gear and training; and continuing the perpetration of a Police State; that is the current state of affairs with this war.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    Pass Prop2 now to get the issue and the relief moving and then, if necessary, refine it in the legislature. People have suffered long enough. It's long past time to allow them relief, without the need to use opiods, now.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 2:33 p.m.

    The biggest part of the proclamation I found most distasteful was all the legislators signing on. They have done little or nothing on this issue and I doubt will do anything in the future.

    Anything for a free campaign ad.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Aug. 30, 2018 2:28 p.m.

    The Governor may take the Bully Pulpit, but the legislature will continue to sit on their hands.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 2:02 p.m.

    I am disgusted with the church's meddling in this.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Aug. 30, 2018 1:53 p.m.

    "Gov. Gary Herbert said Thursday he wants the Legislature to take action on medical marijuana regardless of what happens in November with the proposition on the ballot."

    Yeah, now that his nose is rubbed in it, he is finally pushing the issue. Just craft a sensible law instead of the current abomination going to the ballots.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 1:26 p.m.

    Herbert's a lame duck governor. He has no sway over the Legislature. He did however, get the memo from "the" church to 86 prop 2. Utah conservatives love to pretend they love the Constitution. Except for the "Separation of Church and State" stuff.

  • Jbejarano Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 30, 2018 1:19 p.m.

    I think that Marijuana Policy Project's version of the law the legislature had added too many giveaways for the industry. Having the state run dispensaries may not be the best option, but hopefully it doesn't allow as written in Prop 2 vaping marijuana.