Divorced his wife who had become invalid from an auto crash and had supported
him all through his incarceration. I'm not impressed. Was one
of the Keating 5, the savings and loan fraud. Featured in
propaganda films and signed a 'confession' for the NVA while
encarcerated in the Hanoi Hilton. McCane expressed deep remorse for these
actions in his memoirs. Go read it.Played a key role in squelching
US efforts to repatriat left-behind POW's/MIA's, for which there was
ample evidence. NVA officials said they were surprised US never made a serious
attempt to repatriate them, and have said they held some back to use as
bargaining chips in exchange for US reparations. Supported all
recent wars and going back to early 1990's and has urged us to attack Iran
and Syria; not even mentioning his support of 'moderate rebels' in
Syria, and several other countries.Sorry, but elevating McCane to
hero and highly principle man status, just doesn't wash, for those who have
really followed the man's career.RIP for McCane, but I
don't think he'll have a good experience when confronted by
left-behind POW'S/MIA's in the after life, etc., etc.
The comments about McCain's home and broken marriage are mind-boggling,
particularly as they are obviously made by Trump supporters. Uhhh, how many
homes does Trump have? How many marriages and mistresses? And the commenters
don't even get why it is so ironic.
Senator McCain was a rebel politician who would ignore party lines and vote for
what he thought was best.I didn't always agree with his votes,
but it would be a better country if more politicians were brave enough to
disregard party lines and vote for what they thought was right for America.
@2bits,And also ... "one vote" did not make McCain a hero.
He sealed that epitaph due to his courageous conduct in the "Hanoi
Hilton" and only reinforced it throughout his subsequent public service and
@2bits,Actually the USS Forrestal rumor and the rumor that McCain
was a "songbird" were not the product of the Democrats but rather of Lew
Rockwell and Ted Sampley, both Republicans. They were not pleased with the way
McCain helped keep Vietnam POW issues to the forefront. These, and other
fictitious stories, came out of the 2000 South Carolina primary, and were led by
arch-conservative factions against McCain due to his handily beating favored
Bush in New Hampshire.Other right-leaning blogs and commentors have
recently perpetuated the fiction, including the former airforce general at Fox
News who lost his job over it. Our president would call the
statement that Democrats were responsible for these tales "Fake News".
I find it weird that Democrats are now painting Sen McCain as a hero (for 1
vote). When just a few years earlier (When he had the misfortune of facing off
against Barack Obama in a heated Presidential campaign) the same Democrats
painted him as a fool and a traitor.Democrat posters started a fake
news campaign that blamed McCain for the Fire Aboard the USS Forrestal that
Killed 134 PeopleGoogle "Did John McCain Cause a Fire Aboard the
USS Forrestal that Killed 134 People?" (Snopes)...Snopes
fact-checks the story, and debunks it with actual accounts of the incident.Trump dredged up the same fake news story when McCain said some
disparaging things about him (which was deplorable).During the Obama
campaign several Democrat websites and the Obama campaign also defamed McCain as
having been “rat" and a "Traitor" during his five-and-a-half
years of captivity as a POW in North Vietnam. Now the same Democrats
call him a "Hero". Because he's not campaigning against Barack
Obama, and he attacked Trump, and for one vote they liked.It's
weird Democrats now embrace McCain, after all the anti-McCain/Palin rhetoric
they were pumping out not long ago.My how times change...
@ Boyd in Provo Thank you for responding and for mentioning my name
(twice!) in your comments. No one has ever done that before.I always
enjoy your comments and look forward to future comments from you.
"Trump's health care bill was dead. McCain's lifelong reputation
as free thinker, never to be intimidated, was very much alive."A
great moment in American history - which explains why Trump is still so bitter.
water rocket: " In the beginning of this country, all political positions
were "voluntary", meaning that they were not paid for their service.
Today, they are not only paid, but paid very well. "What counts
as a "real job?" Not service in the military? Or serving as a
representative in Congress? Beginning in 1789 Senators earned a
salary ($6/day). $6 in 1789 is equivalent in purchasing power to $171.82 in
2018,Since 2009 they make $174,000 and over $100,000 since 1991.
In addition to his salary as a Senator he also receives pension
money (around $73,000 annually) from his service in the Navy. OpenSecrets lists his investments. (note: His grandfather on his
mother's side became a millionaire from the oil business).
I don't know how "principle-based" McCains last vote was. He
campaigned strongly against Obama's healthcare plan the whole time he and
Sarah Palin were running for the White House.Google "John McCain
ran on repealing Obamacare" (USA Today)...Why he campaigned
against the ACA for years, and then voted to save it when given the chance to
end it... was a puzzle for many. Especially those in his own party, who
supported his run for the Presidency (when he was totally against Obama's
healthcare plan).I don't know, but I think his vote after
campaigning against the ACA for years, and then voting to save it... came down
to 2 things.#1. To spite Trump (and I get that, Trump deserved it)#2. The state of mind he was in at the time. He changed.When he
was campaigning against it he was healthy. By the time he could vote on it he
had learned the fact that healthcare access was a matter of life-or-death him.
How could he deny it to other Americans...So I think I understand
his vote.But he did campaign strongly against Obamacare just a few
years before his cancer. So he was not always noble.
I like McCain as a person. He always called himself an "Imperfect"
and "flawed" servant. I think that showed more humility than
I've seen from the past 4 President's combined.He made a
lot of mistakes it's true, and he admitted it. But what was surprising to
me was NBC's Meet the Press would use even McCain's death to attack
Republicans, and the President.They can't help themselves I
guess. You could see them trying Sunday morning on the show, but they
couldn't help it turning into yet another Trump bashing session in the end.
I blame that on the leader/moderator of the show, and the guests he invites
(and doesn't invite), and the constant spin of everything to fit their
bias, and his carefully guiding everything in the show into an attack on Trump
(and by proxy Republicans in general).It was sad to watch Sunday
Morning. I can see his attacks on Trump and Republicans most weeks, but not
spinning/twisting a Republican's death into yet another opportunity to
attack Trump.There's more going on in this world than
destroying the President Chuck Todd.McCain was a good guy. Chuck
Todd... I'm not so sure.
1 aggie, how does a senator, who has never had a real job in his life outside of
politics amass a net worth of 16 million? In the beginning of this country, all
political positions were "voluntary", meaning that they were not paid
for their service. Today, they are not only paid, but paid very well. This is
why we will never see term limits.
"He had 11 houses, which was brought to light in the heat of the 2008
election. Term limits is beautiful idea"John's wife, Cindy
Hensley McCain, is the source of the McCain family fortune and nearly all of it
is in her name. She inherited the wealth from her father's beer business,
Hensley and Company. The wealthiest member of Congress is Darrell Issa. John
McCain doesn't rank in the top 25 wealthiest members of Congress. John
McCain's net worth, apart from his wife, is reportedly $16 million. (Based on minimum net worth, at least forty-percent of the members of Congress
are millionaires. source: rollcall)
RiDal,You said "The great irony here is that it was President
Trump who took the "high road" in his battles with McCain, by simply
never mentioning his name, but criticizing his policies. In contrast, can
you imagine how petty and bitter a man has to be to ask that the President not
come to his funeral?!" You can't be serious.The Draft Dodger in Chief who said "“He’s not a war hero, he
was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t
captured.” You call that the high road?Trump couldn't
find the high road if his limo drive drove him across it. To bad
that you and so many of the Trumpies don't understand the difference
between bitterness and a principled stand. Bitterness is a guy who refuses to
lower the flag over the White House. Bitterness is a guy who can't call
him a war hero a war hero. Bitterness is a President who cannot deal with even
the most miniscule slight or negative statement without going on the attack.
Bitterness is probably the most easily recognizable and obvious
recognizable trait of this President.
How come no one is mentioning infidelity which broke up John McCain's first
marriage, nor his involvement in the Keating Five? He is deemed a saint now,
Yes, and he blew that vote. That is what he'll be remember for.McCain always did what's best for McCain.This vote was a poke
into the eye of Trump. Had Romney been president and wanted the same thing,
McCain would have voted to repeal.
He had 11 houses, which was brought to light in the heat of the 2008 election.
Term limits is beautiful idea.
“When he voted against repeal it had more to do with his personal feud
with Pres. Trump than his principles. If he had stuck to his principles he would
not let his personal feud with Trump get in the way but would have kept his many
promises and voted to repeal. ”McCain’s no vote had
nothing to do with Trump.McCain’s no vote had everything to do
with his principles. The bill he voted against (Graham-Cassidy) had been
written in secret by a small group of Republican Senators without debate,
without committee discussion and input and without it being scored by the CBO.
McCain saw that it had violated the legislative process. Additionally, McCain had higher standards and believed it better to at least
try to forge bipartisan solutions. It is sad what the Republican
Party has become. And we are left worse off without John McCain’s
influence and example.
McCain's vote against skinny repeal, despite his dislike of the ACA, was in
large part due to the fears of Governor Ducey of AZ that they would be on the
hook for over $7 billion in health care costs by 2026. He said all along that
he would vote according to his Governor's wishes. He was also frustrated
by the secret manner of the repeal process.
I did not much like the political positions of McCain. I did not vote for him
for President. He had his skeletons in the closet, much like other prominent
people.However, I could respect the life story of such a person.
His occasional stances against his party's legislation stands out as an act
of courage as much as his status as a POW survivor. In today's America,
crossing this president is an act of self sacrifice for the greater good. Few
politicians from the party of trump are willing to take that risk to their
I would have voted for McCain until he made his one huge mistake."McCain had chosen a little-known Alaska governor as his running mate for
that race, and in the process helped turn Sarah Palin into a political
celebrity."He bent to pressure and went with a populist
professional panderer whos only real talent was telling simple people what they
wanted to hear, even though she had to write it down on her hand to remember.
IMO this one mistake cost him the presidency but I still always
@mohokat - Aug. 27, 2018 7:07 a.m.McCain was his own special interest.---------------And Senator McCain's "special interest" was
the welfare of the United States and its people.
This morning we are learning that while flags are at half-mast over the Capitol
and throughout the nation, the one over the White House has been raised to
full-staff.We are learning that trump refused his advisors'
advice to release a tribute to McCain.We saw yesterday that
trump's "tribute" to McCain contained a photo of trump and not
McCain.The childishness of trump stands in stark contrast to the
McCain's maturity and good judgement.
It seems kind of narrow-minded of Nancy Benac to distill the man's lengthy
lifetime of service to his country to one particular vote that she liked, and
that most of McCain's peers didn't.For that matter, the barrage
of "tributes" to McCain that boil down to essentially "he
didn't like Trump" seem rather short-sighted as well.Surely you
can say more about a devoted public servant than that? Does everything have to
reflect badly on Trump?
@GrainOfSalt,McCain's feud with Trump had nothing to do with his no
vote on overturning the ACA. Sen. McCain held his principles over politics.
While he disagreed with many aspects of the ACA, his real beef with the
Graham-Cassidy bill, was the terrible process that the Republicans had
instituted. No independent budget analysis, no hearings to help refine the
bill, and no input from the Democrats. No attempt was made to re-do
objectionable parts of the ACA. The lack of any kind of bipartisan effort was
anathema to McCain. McCain also had a conscience. Leaving 16
million people without healthcare and raising the costs for the rest was
unconscionable. We need more, not fewer, politicians like John McCain.
The Senator stood up against the radical right and actually had moderate
objective and fair views. That is why the flag on the Whitehouse cannot be
The great irony here is that it was President Trump who took the "high
road" in his battles with McCain, by simply never mentioning his name, but
criticizing his policies. In contrast, can you imagine how petty and
bitter a man has to be to ask that the President not come to his funeral?!
Sympathies to the McCain family.Speaking of one vote, let me share a
story.Back in 2008 I had supported Romney and then in the course of
seeing his loss became a big fan of the anti-war libertarian movement led by Ron
Paul.When voting day came for McCain vs Obama I initially checked
the box for McCain. Immediately I felt a surge of guilt as if I had done the
wrong thing. I wanted to ignore it but it wouldn’t go away until I told
the voting agents to help me get a new ballot.I ended up voting
third party.That 1 vote ended up being the most life changing vote
in my life. Never again was I going to vote for someone who would not reign in
the American Empire. Yes, let us be a bastion of liberty, but not
one perpetually fights around the world.That’s not what
capitan Moroni would have done.
Desnews? Why are you highlighting this man as a hero?? Sympathies to the family
for sure but a POW, multi term senator who voted consistently for perpetual war
around the world is not a hero in my book.
John McCain was a true American Patriot and a True American Hero.
McCain was his own special interest.
It is unfortunate that President Trump himself could not bring himself to
release a tribute to Senator McCain.Every one else did.Both
Republican and Democrat
Thanks Mitt Romney for your example, and kind positive nature: forgiving Mr.
McCain for his treatment of you in 2008, January of that year and fall of 2007,
some thought it would be a campaign on military wisdom, and we find out in
September of 2008 that we had been in a recession for 9 months and didn't
know it, and it takes 9-10 months to find out, and then suddenly it is a
campaign on money and finance, yet by that time it is between Mr. McCain and Mr.
Obama. It is ugly brutal war of words to run for high office, so everyone knew
what they were getting into. Mr. Romney was belittled often in those days, by
conservatives and the GOP. Now about to take control of our country by
himself. Amazing what 10 years brings. Come full circle.
I will never forget that moment and the audible gasps. What the Republicans put
forth wasn't right, and Senator McCain was not one to do something if he
didn't feel it was right. He wanted something better. He cared about the
country, not making America great again. He knew it already was and that he
needed to stand up for principle in order to support it. Now, Trump’s
party doesn't care about that. It is all about expediency and getting
re-elected. May God continue to bless Senator McCain.
Senator McCain campaigned on repealing the ACA and repeatedly promised the
voters he would do so. When he voted against repeal it had more to do with his
personal feud with Pres. Trump than his principles. If he had stuck to his
principles he would not let his personal feud with Trump get in the way but
would have kept his many promises and voted to repeal. Senator McCain did a lot
of good, and in the end he was human like the rest of us. May he rest in peace.
Naval officer/POW John McCain did much which is rightly admired and praised, and
he did it for the right reasons. I salute him for that service.However, Senator McCain eventually became a creature of the swamp over his six
terms, where campaign promises are easily ignored and personal animosity trumps
policy.The story states "Unafraid of contradictions, McCain
himself had campaigned against Obama's health care law, but voted against
its repeal because Republicans had flouted what he called the "old way of
legislating," with full-fledged debate, amendments and committee hearings on
the final bill."However, flouting the "old way of
legislating" was the standard practice under Democrat Harry Reid, and
Maverick complacently went along. It is obvious to everyone the his no on
Obamacare repeal was strictly a thumb in the eye of President Trump, and to the
Republican Party which had nominated him for the Presidency, and to the people
of Arizona who has believed his promise to repeal Obamacare.In the
end, McCain proved to be just another self-adoring politician, tarnishing his
prior role as hero. History will decide how his overall record is balanced.
@ Utah Girl ChroniclesThe title to this particular article on
Senator McCain states: "For McCain, a life of courage, politics came down to
1 vote." You said, " Trump despised McCain and you despise him."The fact is I voted for Senator McCain when he ran for the presidency in
2008. I was impressed with his personal story of heroics in Vietnam prisons for
over five and a half years and for the most part I agreed with his decisions of
our military actions and his public life of service. This article
states: "McCain voted against its repeal because Republicans had flouted
what he called the "old way of legislating," with full fledged debate,
amendments and committee hearings." Utah Girl Chronicles, can you imagine
how different the original affordable care act would have been for our entire
country if all of congress would have considered the "old way of
legislating" instead of all the back room deals made with the Democrats to
get their bill passed? This is what many of the citizens in this country are
most disappointed with, the careless way they produced this huge bill to the
public. Nothing more and nothing less.
Senator McCain sold out the Americans he said he was working for when he voted
against the repeal of Obamacare solely for the purpose of poking Donald Trump in
the eye. That, even by the headline of this article, is what McCain stood for.
People I look up to are not in his vein.
The Trump propaganda machine pretty much perpetuates itself in spite of facts to
the contrary. History will be much kinder to McCain than it will be to the
Impartial 7 - Not to quibble, but he was held roughly 5 more years after the
North Vietnamese offer. Otherwise I hope we agree.He was far from
perfection. But he stood for principles during some tough times. Where he
stood for principles he is an inspiration to me and my more mundane challenges.
Isn't that the definition of a "hero"?May God bless
John McCain and may he rest in peace.
John McCain was another flawed human being who did many good things yet failed
morally (in his own words). I wish that everything including the previous
comments on this subject didn't have to be comparisons and politically
motivated. He voted out of spite against Trump to not repeal Obamacare. He
divorced his first wife because of an affair with a 17 year younger woman and
then married the younger woman within a month. He served our nation and was a
hero. Our leaders are flawed, all of them. Our leaders do many good things, all
of them. Honor the good in people. Honor John McCain. Let the negative go
because guess what, we are all flawed...including John McCain.
I was working in a Romney call center in the primary vs McCain. Obama was
gaining momentum. Romney had a good healthcare plan similar to the one he
approved in Massachusetts . Trump defeated Romney on Super Tuesday and claimed
the nomination. But he picked a certifiable idiot in Sarah Palin for VP. I
admired McCain, but this was too much. Obama adapted Romney's healthcare
plan and I voted for Obama.Republican reaction against Obama was
thinly concealed racism. But Americans, after growing sick of the GOP war in
Iraq, with its complete chaos, and subsequent Wall Street disaster, rolled blue
and Obama was unassailable. GOP Senate leader McConnell swore that his job was
to make Obama a single term president. And McCain, the good soldier, supported
the administration when he could and became friends with the Obamas.Now we replace Obama with the vile Trump, and McCain dies with his boots on.
Trump most likely will not survive this term, and the GOP is greatly damaged,
apparently without a single ethical leader.We'll miss you
Senator McCain. History will remember you long after the Trump villainy has
faded from memory.
@impartialIn addition to you comments, it's important to note
that the American military code of conduct for POW's requires prisoners be
freed in the order of their capture. McCain refused to violate the code by being
released before others who had been held captive longer that he had. McCain
never claimed that he was a hero, was famously self-deprecating, and continually
pointed to the heroics of his fellow POW's rather than to his own. He
deserves every laudatory comment published today by people from all political
persuasions, adjectives that will never be associated with our current
Let's see. John McCain, being the captive prisoner with a lineage of Naval
officers, could've freed himself from his Vietnam captors. All he had to do
was read a propaganda statement denouncing America. He did not, resulting in 2
more years of torture and inhumane conditions. The same time that GW Bush, Bill
Clinton, and Donald Trump somehow found ways to continually avoid the war. Trump
had bone spurs (which didn't keep him off tennis court and night clubs) and
he still disrespects John McCain? And the GOP stands behind him? Unbelievable.
@ Boyd in Provo"Senator McCain, in his defiant manner, voted
against repealing this act and pretty much told the country by his vote and his
actions what he really stood for."51 senators, including two
other Republicans, voted against the health care bill. That's how the
legislative process works. Trump despised McCain and you despise him. It's
not complicated math, now is it?
McCain was an American patriot. Revered by his political enemies as someone who
loved his country and a gentlemen. He was a Maverick with intelligence and
grace, some things that are missing from the reality show star a few wish to
idolize in this day and age.
"McCain himself had campaigned against Obama's health care law but
voted against its repeal..."The Affordable Health Care Act was a
disaster thrust upon the American public by the Democrats and for the first time
Congress had a very good chance of getting rid of this albatross. Senator
McCain, in his defiant manner, voted against repealing this act and pretty much
told the country by his vote and his actions what he really stood for. Arizona
and the country deserved better.