In our opinion: Straight-talking naval captain John McCain put service over self

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  • SuzViews Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 29, 2018 7:26 a.m.

    @Gretscham
    “Today, I am circulating a letter with Senator Flake asking all of our colleagues if they’d be willing to join us in a resolution to officially rename the Russell Building the McCain Building.”
    - [D] Sen. Chuck Schumer

    This is what bipartisanship looks like & I’m for more of it. I remember how Pres. Reagan had strong differences with Tip O’Neil, yet they were great friends.

    As the late Sen. McCain said, without civility, bipartisanship & a return to ‘regular order’ “we are getting nothing done” in Washington D.C.

    Candidates who can do the above and put our country before party ideology/partisanship are at the top of my list this electoral season.

  • MattAllalone UK, 00
    Aug. 29, 2018 6:27 a.m.

    Seems for a comment to be accepted on this site it can not be critical of anyone.
    John McCain was not perfect.....

    wonder if this gets posted?

  • Rick for Truth Provo, UT
    Aug. 28, 2018 11:28 a.m.

    Interesting, you feel campaigning to repeal Obamacare Care for 6 years, then voting in the middle of the night to force us to keep it is a great thing? He betrayed conservatism and showed his true colors. He lied!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 28, 2018 8:51 a.m.

    Where were all these Democrats who praise McCain when he was running for President?

    Did you support him? Did you vote for him? Very few Democrats voted for him. I guess lofty compliments after he's gone are easy, but voting for him and supporting his message when he was running for President is not an option. I guess it didn't help that he ran against Barack Obama.

    Oh well.

    It wasn't close. Obama got twice as many electoral votes as McCain.

    Obama 365
    McCain 173

    The popular vote wasn't close either
    Obama 52.9%
    McCain 45.7%

    Romney did much better the next election, as many Democrats stayed home, assuming we would never have to worry about having a Republican President ever again after the lopsided victory in 2008 and the media's reporting the demise of the Republican Party.

    Bush and McCain almost killed the Republican Party. But they did survive evidently (Because we have a Republican President today, like I warned Democrats would eventually happen).

    But the point is... complimenting McCain, and voting for McCain... are two different things.

    If Democrats liked him so much... did they vote for him? Didn't think so.

    They didn't like him THAT much.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    Aug. 28, 2018 8:26 a.m.

    "despite the protocol to have it at half mast until after the funeral."

    I heard on NPR today that the protocol for a sitting Senator passing while in office was to fly the flag at half mast on the day of passing and for 24 hours thereafter. That protocol was observed.

    It is interesting that the media has eulogized Senator McCain with such glowing accolades. During the 2008 campaign, this same media found a screenshot of McCain stumbling, with his tongue out. The very unflattering shot was often accompanied by a shot of Senator Obama looking very presidential. Where was the respect then? Chuck Todd, on Sunday, summed up the media response concerning Senator McCain perfectly when he said it was less about John McCain and more about taking jabs at Pres. Trump.

    I believe the media is as two faced as always. I voted for McCain and would vote for him again. I lived in AZ and voted for him as my Senator. I wish his final years had been more about his personal conservative principles and less about taking Jabs at the President, but like Senator Flake, that's politics.

    Give him his due...He was a great American.

  • Gretschman Draper, UT
    Aug. 28, 2018 6:52 a.m.

    When you have spent a lifetime in Congress as a Republican, and upon your death, the democrats want to name a building after you...you have done it wrong.

  • SuzViews Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 27, 2018 9:55 p.m.

    My husband & I just finished watching the HBO documentary “For Whom the Bell Tolls” about John McCain. It was so inspirational! The amazing YouTube Video “In the Arena” about his Leadership Institute here in AZ reminds us (as Teddy Roosevelt famously wrote): ‘It’s not the critic who counts...’

    I, for one will be forever grateful to Senator McCain for staying ‘in the arena’, & to his family for allowing him to serve there. They are remarkably strong & patriotic people. In terms of their devotion to our country & to each other, they remind me of John & Abigail Adams, who also faced harsh critics but today are revered by many.

    I think history will bear out many of John McCain’s strongly worded statements & admonitions. I mourn his loss & appreciate the many kind & respectful comments I’m reading about him here & in this article. Thank you, Deseret News for this thoughtful opinion piece. ♥️

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 1:32 p.m.

    Sad thing is the comments over on FoxNews got so vile and uncivil that they had to turn commenting off on the pieces about Mr. McCain. There are conservatives calling McCain all kinds of horrific things after he died.... so much so ... that Fox had to shut it down. If that doesn't tell you something about what is going on, not sure what does.

    That and the White House has already raised the flag back up to full mast last night, despite the protocol to have it at half mast until after the funeral. Unheard of during past Presidencies. This is the direction the current leadership is taking our nation.

    Our nation deserves better. It really does. The swamp is flowing through the gutters now. Didn't always agree with John.... but on issues of defense and the sacrifice we ask of those men and women, no one spoke more for our people in uniform. He deserved more respect... very sad.

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 10:20 a.m.

    Years from now it is men of integrity, like McCain, who will be honored in history books, for standing up for order, fairness, rightness, and not bowing to political pressure at the expense of their principles.

    He was not a perfect man, nor did he pretend to be. He was willing to learn from his mistakes, admit them, and say he was sorry--something that is sadly lacking in current admin.

    His speech to the Naval Academy last yr was of vital importance, and I'm sure it will be deemed prescient in the coming yrs.

    He made a sacrifice for this country that few will ever have to make, & it forged this man's mettle in the furnace of affliction. He lived a hero, and he died a hero (battling brain cancer is not for the weak). He served with honor, and he died with honor, true to himself and his beliefs and convictions till the end.

    If only the same could be said of all those currently serving in Congress!

  • patrioticAMERICAN South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 10:08 a.m.

    In a WaPo article today, journalist Greg Jaffe highlights an incident that epitomizes the quality person that McCain was. It occurred during the last few wks of his '08 bid for pres., when he's confronted by Minn. voter, Gayle Quinnell, who took the mic to say, "I gotta ask you a question. I do not believe in, I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him, and he’s not a . . . he’s an Arab."

    McCain takes back the mic & replies, "No, ma’am. He's a decent family man and citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what this campaign is all about."

    McCain chose the high road.

    It's telling that Obama is scheduled to speak at his funeral, along w/ George W., & Trump, according to various reports has not been invited.

    Trump didn't even say *anything* nice abt McCain in his terse tweet (w/ Trump's own pic as background), & never made an official order to keep flags at half-staff, as he did w/ Barbara Bush--flag is already back to full staff at WH today, though the Capitol bldg will keep flag at half-mast until his interment.

    Such pettiness is not surprising from a name-caller. The gulf b/t their characters is a deep chasm.

  • joewillie12 Corpus Christi, TX
    Aug. 27, 2018 9:29 a.m.

    Nunn24 and mohokat:

    Do you mind letting the body cool?

    60 years of service and 5 plus years in captivity earned John McCain a few swings and misses...I'd put that record up against anyone you'd care to name. Go ahead and put yourselves on that list.

    Sen McCain wasn't perfect, but he had the decency to admit his errors and learn from them.

    Please see his example the next time you eulogize someone.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 9:20 a.m.

    @mohokat - Aug. 27, 2018 7:16 a.m.
    . . . John McCain was his own special interest. . .

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    Senator McCain's "special interest" was the welfare of the United States and its people. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • DarthMaul Vernal, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 7:38 a.m.

    Walking up from his seat to the middle of the floor and gave the thumbs down to his GOP colleagues is true unafraid loyalty to the country and not strictly party voting political loyalty. Kudos to him for voting his conscience.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 27, 2018 7:16 a.m.

    Service over self? Could not disagree more. John McCain was his own special interest. It was always as in forever all about John. His time as a politician was well paid which is not exactly service. A troop in the field making peanuts is service.

  • pwlohse Dueren, 00
    Aug. 27, 2018 4:50 a.m.

    It will be wonderful to hear the eulogies spoken at his funeral by former presidents Bush and Obama.

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 6:41 p.m.

    In response to those who didn't like my comments concerning McCain and Obamacare, I believe you are interpreting his actions in a very favorable light. I believe McCain voted against the repeal simply out of spite. It was his way of getting back at the President, a man who did want he was unable to do by winning the highest office in the land. McCain was no genius. He finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. As far as being a war hero, Colonel David Hackworth stated, "McCain certainly doesn't appear to be a war hero by conventional standards, but rather a tough survivor whose handlers are overplaying the war hero card." I agree.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 12:01 p.m.

    Bloodhound - Provo, UT
    Aug. 25, 2018 11:04 p.m.
    Senator McCain ran on repealing Obamacare. He ended up being the deciding vote that kept Obamacare from being repealed. In other words, McCain broke his promise. It's just one reason I never cared for the man.

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    Did he break a promise or did he realize he had been wrong? Look back and do some careful research and you will find that he did not seek wholesale repeal. He wanted to MODIFY and IMPROVE the Affordable Care Act. He voted against the repeal because what his party was proposing would hurt too many good Americans. He placed his priorities on people first and not party.

    It was the same kind of selfless action as when he refused to be released from Hanoi Hilton.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 11:38 a.m.

    Trumps' comments about McCain not being a hero because he was captured is a low point in a campaign and presidency full of them, especially in context of his having bought his way out of service.
    John McCain lived a life of service, leadership, sacrifice and integrity. His passing is a loss to us all.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 11:34 a.m.

    Bloodhound,
    McCain entered the last Obamacare debate with two commitments. The first, to replace the flawed system of "Obamacare," and second, the reestablishment of proper legislative process within the Senate so it works for the people and not party ideology. The proposed legislation which was being forced through the Senate on a party-line vote was an anathema to both of those commitments. McCain agonized over that decision, but it showcased his integrity. The Republicans had failed to deliver anything better than Obamacare and they had governed with the same militant partisanship which McCain found so abhorrent in the Democrats.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 11:16 a.m.

    McCain had guts and a desire to do what was right. By his own admission he missed the mark at times and tried to do better, and such admissions are marks of integrity. Such men are very rare today.

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 11:15 a.m.

    Hard to find 3 generations in a row who served country at as high a level and for as long as McCain, his father and grandfather.

    "fair winds and following seas" - RIP US Senator and Capt. McCain.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 11:01 a.m.

    As a fellow Veteran, I share the grief in the passing of one of our nation’s great ones. He always put the nation’s interests above politics. He was an American FIRST, represented Veterans issues 2nd, and a republican 3rd.

    Captain(Retired) John McCain, Thank you for your military service! Thank you for volunteering to serve our nation in an unpopular war.. Thank you for bending, but not breaking while being tortured by America’s enemy. Thank you! For your continued military service after your most honorable service, while the nation was spitting and disrespecting military members and veterans.

    Senator McCain, Thank you, for your continued service, to the nation, through your political efforts. Thank you, standing up to political idiocy from both parties, and putting the nation’s interest over the loud whining of a spoiled population.

    John, Thank you! For being a man of honor, of courage, and willing to fight the good fight.

    America is a little lesser today, and missing one of the few who have courageously served the nation throughout their lives.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    If more Republicans had one quarter of the integrity that John McCain had, I'd still be a member of their party. Sadly, he was an exception rather than the rule.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 10:02 a.m.

    Intermixed with all the grief and sadness about the passing of John McCain is even more sadness and trepidations about the future of the country he left behind.

    McCain's honorable, selfless character will always dwarf the character of those who favor party over country.

  • dordrecht Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 9:35 a.m.

    I respect this man of character. He is an example of what most politicians today are not. God bless him!

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 9:23 a.m.

    Senator McCain early in his days as a POW was offered the opportunity to be freed because of who he was. He refused because he wouldn't leave ahead of his fellow prisoners. The consequence of his decision was many years of imprisonment and torture. His time in the Hanoi Hilton prison changed him and he found out what really mattered.

    I respect Senator McCain more than most of the others in Congress because he always did what he thought was right, admitted and apologized for his mistakes, and had integrity.

    I will miss him. The country will be the poorer without him to fight for it. Rest in well-earned peace, Senator John Mc Cain.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 8:35 a.m.

    John McCain was a patriot and a statesman at a time when both are in precipitous decline among elected officials. The country will miss him.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Aug. 26, 2018 5:48 a.m.

    All of the honorable traits described in the article seem to be missing from all of the current Utah Congressional delegation. His service and sacrifice will be remembered by many, but will be quickly forgotten by most, especially those who never served.

    Fair winds and following seas shipmate.

  • P5Proud Santa Monica, CA
    Aug. 26, 2018 12:03 a.m.

    Never agreed with his politics and did not vote for him, but I respected him more than almost any Senator in my lifetime. When a tea party crowd member disparaged Barack Obama, he stood like the smartest, wisest and strongest man in the room (which he most certainly was) and simply said “No Mam.” What current Member of the current GOP has that kind of character or decency? From one Vet to a great Vet—thank you for a lifetime of service, Sir. And for always doing what you felt in your heart was best for your country. 2

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Aug. 25, 2018 11:04 p.m.

    Senator McCain ran on repealing Obamacare. He ended up being the deciding vote that kept Obamacare from being repealed. In other words, McCain broke his promise. It's just one reason I never cared for the man.