Utah members of the LDS Church should realize that the Church has said nothing
on this matter. The e-mail is from the Area President, Elder Christensen, who
has no inherent right to speak for the Church. (Only the First Presidency does
-- Handbook 2, 21.1.29 -- and their names and the name of their office is
nowhere to be found in the email.) Therefore, the email ought to be regarded
simply as the personal opinion of one man, and nothing more.
Don't I remember President Hinkely on 60 minutes saying "we dont tell
them how to vote"?
Susan Storm.."Legal drugs can be used and misused. Just because there is a
risk of misuse doesn't mean it should be illegal. I'm a
faithful member, but the church is overstepping on this one. Times are
changing"One of the primary objections to this proposal is how
the drug is dispensed. There is a call for us to wait until licensed pharmacies
can dispense the drug. Opioids can only be dispensed through a
pharmacy..how has that worked out for us? During any one 14-day
period, an individual would be allowed to buy either 2 ounces of unprocessed
marijuana or an amount of marijuana product with no more than 10 grams of
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or cannabidiol.If you were concerned
about abuse possibly the amount available might be the real issue.I
think 2 ounces of unprocessed marijuana makes between 40 and 50 joints (google).
That's what would be allowed for two weeks. Remember drugs
are dispensed today without much consideration for the size, history, or daily
need of a patient. You either get oxy or you don't at the pharmacy.
Doctors discretion is still the question.
@ Ranch - Here, UT - Aug. 24, 2018 11:42 a.m. - "@Caravan; Morality is
extremely subjective (and no, our laws aren't based on "morality").
The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion and that means that neither I,
nor any other citizen has to be subjected to the whims of LDS church
leaders."So our laws are NOT based on morality? SMH...So what are they based on then? This oughta be good.
Describing that memorandum as “legal analysis” is inaccurate. The
memorandum contains little analysis. And is poorly reasoned.
I've seen first hand damage done to families from the use of marijuana.
The concern I have is that states that have legalized medical marijuana have
become a joke. There are "doctors" that will prescribe marijuana for
virtually everything and anything. Keep the camel's nose from entering the
tent. The ultimate agenda is to legalize marijuana.
Some readers might be interested in the origins of the word marijuana:Although the marijuana plant has been around for thousands of years, most
historians agree that the word originated in New Mexico in the 1850s.
That's when a poor Mexican sheepherder living about 10 miles outside
Albuquerque discovered an unusual but "muy hermosa" (beautiful) plant
growing on his property. He liked the smell and soon begin to ingest and smoke
it, finding that it not only provided a sense of euphoria but also greatly eased
his tooth pain. When he eventually shared some with white residents in
Albuquerque (they called him Little Muchacho, because of his small stature),
they loved it. Soon he was bringing bagfuls monthly via horseback to them and
was paid handsomely. Because his horse was a mare and his name was Juan, the
residents combined mare and Juan and started calling the plant marijuana. They
added the feminine "a" to Juan as an added insult to his diminutive
stature. By the 1860s the word had spread throughout the region; it first showed
up in dictionaries in the 1880s. ("Anecdotal History of New Mexico,"
University of New Mexico Press, 1987.)
you people in utah can choose for yourself but also pray about your choice to
see if it is best approach for you with all the differing opinions it is very
confusing to me and I live where it was put on the ballot as a proposed
solution for any number of medical solutions and the population voted for
approval if it needs to be legal let the legislature determine that fact and
vote on it after due research and comparison to existing legislation maybe then
the population of Utah will not spend their time in court trying to be correct
on the supposedly use or the correct application of such substance remember use
your agency and use all available resources to make an informed decision that
will allow this proposed legislation to be of benefit for your family and their
possible use someday maybe.
I don't understand why the church is choosing to stand between doctors and
their patients. I live in a state where marijuana is legal for medical purposes
only. For most of us, life proceeds much as it did before legalization. But for
those who suffer from chronic conditions that do not respond well to more
conventional pharmaceuticals, legalization gives them one more avenue they can
pursue, under the supervision of their doctor. Contrary to what opponents of
medical marijuana would have you believe, the state has not "gone to
pot". In fact, as a non-user of medical marijuana, I notice no change
whatsoever. To me, it seems like the church is making a mountain out of a
Separation of Church and state allegations should include concerns for anti
church activity seeking state policies as well. A republic is bound to reflect
the will of a majority of the people. Ballot initiatives are often a way of end
running issues by controlling debate and in this case putting imperical evidence
off the table. The science of medical marijuana is highly overstated and highly
misrepresented by those who claim it to be the wonder DRUG of the ages. There
is no evidence that marijuana has anything but anecdotal claims for its
effectiveness. As opposed to double blind studies and unbiased evaluation by
those without an ulterior motive. That includes both anti and pro bias. This seems to be the one case where the safety of children is a non
issue in the rallying cry to legalize. Objective Science be darned. P.S CBD oil and smoking weed are apples and oranges. And lumping
the two together is just a slight of hand tactic to fool compassionate voters.
Our guidelines on this will remain in effect until we can get our hands on 10%
Thank heavens separation of church and state doesn't exist in Utah.
The history of having standards for drug manufacturing goes back to the
Progressive Era in the early 1900s. Upton Sinclair wrote a book called The
Jungle about the meat packing industry. As a progressive measure they passed a
law called The Pure Drug and Food Act. More recently, in 1960, there was a new
drug called thalidomide which treated morning sickness in pregnant woman. It
had a side effect to limit capillary growth. The result was children were born
without arms. It was pulled, of course, from the market. The FDA is rightfully
terrified about what might happen.Many PC types here (I didnt say
liberal, did I?) want to go back to the early 1900s and do away with
pharmaceutical standards. At least call it what t is: regressive.
@antodav: "You know, it’s a great thing to be able to belong to a
church whose doctrine clearly states that its leaders speak the word of God on
spiritual matters, but can be (and often is) wrong when it comes to political
matters."Really? Which church is this? Here is what the
cannonized scripture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says:DC 29:34-45 -"Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all
things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given unto you a law
which was temporal; ... no temporal commandment gave I unto him, for my
commandments are spiritual; they are not natural nor temporal, neither carnal
nor sensual."President Benson taught:"The
prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials
to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. ... The prophet does
not have to say ‘Thus saith the Lord’ to give us scripture....The
prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know....The
prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning."We all have our
agency. There will be no church discipline for voting for recreational pot. But
let's be clear about what Church doctrine is.
If the young and innocent want to get their hand on weed, they already do. I
wouldn't worry to much about that.
@iktaalik: "Read my statement closely. I don't hate the church - I do
think they are wrong on this issue. I do want the initiative to pass, but
that's not the point. The point is that it had a 75% approval just a few
months ago (google it) and that a large organization is using it's power
trying to sway opinion."I read your statement plenty carefully.
And you've carefully dodged my point.If the initiative had 75%
support several months ago (And are these the same kind of polls that predicted
Hillary winning in a landslide?), and today that support is lower, why do you
state that one period of time shows "people thinking for themselves" why
implying that if people make a different decision they are not thinking for
themselves?Several months ago, far fewer people had yet bothered to
educate themselves about what this initiative did. So they answered on general
principle of supporting medical use of cannabis. Even The Church of Jesus Christ
supports legit medical use.Today, with more education about the
specifics of this bill, people think for themselves and oppose the
initiative.Large groups with lots of money have tried to influence
voters on both sides of the issue.
@ No Names AcceptedRead my statement closely. I don't hate the
church - I do think they are wrong on this issue. I do want the initiative to
pass, but that's not the point. The point is that it had a 75% approval
just a few months ago (google it) and that a large organization is using
it's power trying to sway opinion. I'm just interested in to how much
opinion will shift. I think they have every right to say whatever they want
whether I agree or not. I would be nervous about any institution that could
sway public opinion by a large amount - either direction - in this case
it's just what appears to be your favorite institution.
I'm not from Utah, but I can understand why the church does this. HOWEVER,
I just wish they would realize how bad it makes them look. Just stay quiet when
it comes to politics, I promise it will be better for the church and it's
image. When the church does things like this it just looks bad and like they are
trying to order it's followers around. It is simply best to just remain
neutral on issues.
"When the prophet speaks the debate is over"? That's ridiculous and
dangerous. I am disappointed the church is using their influence,
again, in our political arena as if we can't somehow research these issues
and come to our own conclusions. So many in our state have suffered and waited.
I would love for voters to vote their conscience after their own research and
for the church to stay out of it. I understand voicing opposition, making
announcements, and lobbying, but sending me an email to all members in Utah to
vote against it went too far. Don't use church emails for political
agendas. We can see from some comments here that urging will be the same as
commanding for many members and church leaders know that. Hence, this really
crosses a line for me. I'm very disappointed.
I will be all for using an extraction of cannabis for medicine once it becomes
just that -- a pharmaceutical medicine not meant for pleasure.
@Tiktaalik:"I think the real issue here is whether we live in a
theocracy in this state. A few months ago, polls showed roughly 75% support for
the initiative. That's called people thinking for themselves. "But if 75% oppose the initiative you think that isn't people
thinking for themselves?Were we thinking for ourselves when we
passed the State Constitutional Amendment defining marriage?Isn't it a bit arrogant to presume people are only "thinking for
themselves" if they happen to agree with you, or disagree with someone else,
or some entity or church that you dislike?Everybody gets to think
for themselves. I get to listen to those who dishonestly claim this is just
about medical marijuana even as I read the initiative which clearly makes it all
but impossible to enforce against recreational use. I also get to listen to
medical doctors, trained lawyers who have offered their opinions on the
initiative, and to various religious leaders.A very few lefties have
the integrity to oppose free speech for churches even when the church agrees
with them on some political issue. I can respect that self consistency. The vast
majority lack it.
I think the real issue here is whether we live in a theocracy in this state. A
few months ago, polls showed roughly 75% support for the initiative.
That's called people thinking for themselves. Now the predominant church
is trying to flex it's muscle and exert control over the thought processes
of it's members. I think this will be fun to watch - but I regret that
people that could use the medicine have to suffer (collateral damage?) while the
battle for control is fought.
You know, it’s a great thing to be able to belong to a church whose
doctrine clearly states that its leaders speak the word of God on spiritual
matters, but can be (and often is) wrong when it comes to political matters.
There’s no basis at all for the claims of the Church or any of the other
organizations opposing this referendum in Utah, and even if there was,
correlation does not equal causation. There is, however, *ample* evidence of the
destructive impact that marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs in general
has had on families, communities, and the nation as a whole. I get where the
Church is coming from, and I understand that its position is not going to change
until the position of the Federal Government finally changes. But for the sake
of citizens of Utah in need, I really hope that its opposition fails to stop the
passage of this law. Acts 10:15.
@Ranch:"The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion and that
means that neither I, nor any other citizen has to be subjected to the whims of
LDS church leaders."And neither I nor any other citizen should
be subject to the whims of sexual minorities that desire to force us to join
them in celebrating their unions. Kind of goes both ways, you see.You remain perfectly free to vote on this initiative as you see fit. I and
others enjoy that same right.And every person, every group of
private citizens, has full rights to voice their opinions. That includes
organizations with which you disagree or against which you hold the most
strenuous animus.Groups that oppose legalizing recreational
marijuana have as much right to speak out as do groups that support it, or that
claim not to support it but want this initiative passed anyway.But
before supporting State nullification of federal pot laws, supporters might ask
what other federal laws our court rulings they want to see the State of Utah
nullify. Our State constitution makes very clear where we stand on the proper
definition of marriage. Shall we nullify federal court rulings on marriage once
we nullify drug laws?
"My point? The LDS church, and any other church, too, has every right, even
a duty, to speak out on issues of morality. What do people think churches should
do these days?My point? The LDS church, and any other church, too, has
every right, even a duty, to speak out on issues of morality. What do people
think churches should do these days?"Fine. So where's the
email decrying separation of families at the border. Or is this a good example
of situational morality?
The mormon church who has opposed medical marijuana for eons now tells us they
support it, but only if done on a path with a thousand hoops that will take
another decade. This new inspiration, at the 11th hour, comes from overwhelming
public opinion that has shifted away from their position. Again, like position
changes on other issues, some change is possible, slowly.They want a
doctor to prescribe it in specific dosages knowing that everywhere else they
generally counsel patients with general advice because each patient is so
different and let them decide. The stigma of a pot prescription will defiantly
take some time. Next, they feel it must be done in a pharmacy. This requirement
is handy because due to federal laws, this will not be possible for a long time.
Last, they want to be assured that the drug is not misused by someone other than
the patient. This even though we already know pot can’t at all be
controlled and recreational users want nothing to do with low THC medical
marijuana.But now the mormon church would like you to think that they are
sympathetic to incredibly needy children with seizures and adults in near
hopeless states. But what have they ever done to help?
"The 1st Amendment also guarantees freedom of assembly, and free speech.
In all reality, you are not subject to the whims of the Church.
However, the right of free speech will not be limited because of objections.I just ask why have not the Anti-Church individuals called for the
removal of the tax status or limit the free speech of the Islamic Society of
Utah, or the Episcopal Diocese, that have both asked their members to vote
no.Why do those who hate the Church, think that the Constitution
does not apply to others because they disagree?
@Caravan;Morality is extremely subjective (and no, our laws
aren't based on "morality").The 1st Amendment
guarantees freedom of religion and that means that neither I, nor any other
citizen has to be subjected to the whims of LDS church leaders.
Pot smokers will get their weed with or without church interference.
From the Utah State Constitution--So what does it mean if not
enforced?Sec. 4. [Religious liberty.] The rights of conscience shall
never be infringed. The State shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; no religious test shall be
required as a qualification for any office of public trust or for any vote at
any election; nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror on
account of religious belief or the absence thereof. There shall be no union of
Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its
functions. No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to
any religious worship, exercise or instruction, or for the support of any
ecclesiastical establishment. No property qualification shall be required of any
person to vote, or hold office, except as provided in this Constitution.
Legal drugs can be used and misused. Just because there is a risk of misuse
doesn't mean it should be illegal. I'm a faithful member,
but the church is overstepping on this one. Times are changing.
The church should not get involved.There are reasonable people who
have sick kids who will be affected by this bias against marijuana. There are
medical reasons to take this drug, this just makes it so those sick people
To those who claim that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should
stay out of this because it is only "political", you are not even
remotely being objective.Laws, ALL laws, are always grounded in
morality; what is "right"?, what is "wrong"?, what is
"good" and "helpful" to our society?, what would be
"destructive" and "hurtful" to us as a people? Those questions
are not merely political but "moral" from A to Z.My point?
The LDS church, and any other church, too, has every right, even a duty, to
speak out on issues of morality. What do people think churches should do these
days? Hand out milk and cookies?
So we DO want a nanny state? We DO want bureaucrats to make decisions for us
because they know whats best for us and we don't. We
DON'T support agency. We DON'T support individual liberties. We
DON'T support personel responsibility. We SUPPORT big government programs
like the drug war and prison program.We WANT the goverment to
regulate soda, straws, guns, marijuana, and anything else they feel like
regulating!Even though people who want it for medical reasons are
already getting it, we DO want to wreck their lives and criminalize them if
they're caught.If your kid were suffering would you obey this
law or just drive to Colorado to get them what they need? ....or just buy it
illegally from a neighbor? .....or watch them suffer for another 20 years?Perhaps we can design a state where every evil thing is banned and only
good can be chosen and then all will be forced to obey! Perhaps we can ban
coffee, tea, and excessive meat eatting too!Agency.....totally over
Aspirin is salicylic acid. It comes from willow bark.I am going to
go and cut willow bark and put it in plastic baggies and label them
"aspirin" and sell them on the street. I wonder if the fda will come
down on me formtotally ignoring GMP ( good manfacturing practices) and all sorts
of medical requirements? they will. the reason is that there are no
recreational willow bark users. this is being driven by recreational users of
marijuana rather than a valid desire to medical progress.
I got the e-mail... and I have to say that this is one of those issues that I do
not believe my church leaders know what they are talking about.Of
course, it is not surprising given church history in which prayers in General
Conference were said specifically asking that prohibition of alcohol not be
repealed, the irony of course Utah cast the deciding vote to repeal
prohibition.The damage caused by outlawing pot is vast; the
bloodiest war in US history is being fought right this very minute; neighbor
against neighbor; a far worse Civil War than the war given that title.I am voting for the proposition. Medicinal should absolutely be legalized ...
but even recreational should at the very least be decriminalized. The war being
fought is an immoral war... and we can do better. We should do better. We must
Drop the red herrings about increased exposure to youth usage. After five years
of legal recreational cannabis in Washington state and Colorado, they
experienced a DECREASED in youth usage. I'm a numbers guy, so here are
actual stats that speak to logic and reason and don't promote fear-based,
ignorant heresay.The only negative correlation found was an increase in
DUIs. However, the report doesn't specify whether those arrests were purely
cannabis-related. Additionally, this is in states where ANYONE can purchase
cannabis for recreational usage. Prop 2 is about providing the plant and its
derivatives for medicinal purposes. Quality control increases, the taxes
generated 300M on average (since when is the LDS church not interested in
revenue gains for the state/itself). Also, illegal purchasing and drug-related
crimes went down. Now, let's look at states with strictly medical usage:
fewer annual drug dosage is a big one. But what about patient usage? In states
with similar demographics to Utah (in this case, Maryland), cannabis is
medically used by .65% of the population. Stay out this one, "Church."
The FDA will approve a drug based on a single study that shows it has a benefit;
the pharm companies will conduct study after study - failure after failure -
until they get the one that shows what they want it to show - and then they do
NOT publish the results of the failed studies.Those who think that
FDA approval means anything are fooling themselves. Just look at all the
lawsuits over the terrible results of many, many *approved* medications.Those who just say "follow the prophet" need to think more for
It doesn't help that the Deseret News periodically publishes stories of the
gravely ill who have benefitted from medical marijuana. It just whets citizen
appetite to have legal access to it. However I will be voting no on the
initiative, but at the same time hoping for legal relief from opiates and soon.
Let's not take years to study this.
@ the individual from AV,CA: Really? You have done the very things that you
have just criticized. And you are from out of state, as well. My agenda is to
express my opinion on this matter. That is my right, regardless of where I
live. It is your right, regardless of where you live. I did live in UT for
nearly 10 years, for what it's worth; and I have family members that live
in Utah, for what it's worth. Opinions are just that: opinions. Nobody is
trying to coerce anyone. This is an important issue about which there are
diverse and, in some cases, vehement opinions. Utahns will decide the issue at
the voting booth, perhaps in the courts later on.
As Utahns, we have waited for years for our Utah legislature to legalize medical
marijuana use, and they have done nothing whatsoever about it. Yet, federal
agencies and U.S. legislators allow big money medical pharma to put all sorts of
untested, extremely dangerous drugs on the market every day. Maybe we should be
prosecuting those entities criminally for pushing dangerous opioid drugs onto
the general public for the past 30 years. I'm not sure why marijuana has
become such a "bogeyman" in U.S. culture. Which drug has the more
serious side effects: marijuana or Oxycodone?Now on the eve of
losing control over that issue--based on the voter initiative--the do-nothing
Utah legislature has attempted to pull out all of the big guns, including a
political position by the LDS Church. It reminds me of the issue of national
health insurance. Where would we be today, if the Democrats had not pushed
through an imperfect law?In my opinion, even an imperfect medical
marijuana law is better than having nothing in place for the next 10 years.
I'm voting for the initiative to finally get a medical marijuana law in
place in Utah, and then, if it has flaws, the legislature can fix it.
y ask y,Did you not notice all of the other names on that list, including
multiple health and public safety groups?Andy jaggy,The legislature
tried to pass a bill already, and legislators are already talking about trying
again. Remember when big pharma lobbied and was able to start
advertising their drugs on TV? Why? So that they could sell more drugs and
make more money off of hypochondriacs who insist to their Dr. that they think
they need these drugs to fix problems they might not even have. The opiate
crisis isn't just because dr,'s over prescribe, it's because over
time and encouraged by drug companies, we have created a culture where
drugs/medicine is the answer to everything. But turning to MM as the
answer isn't going to help the problem as much as people want it to. There
are legitimate needs for MM, but it, like all other medicines, drugs, and herbs,
need to be carefully studied and prescribed/used only when needed. I will
guarantee you that without more regulation and protection, the majority of
people who will use it wont be those that actually need it, and it will not fix
the idea that *every* problem can be fixed with some medicine.
It is interesting to see the several comments from people outside of UT. I
don't live in UT, and wouldn't try and persuade anyone in UT about how
to vote on this initiative. It appears that these outsiders have an agenda,
perhaps they should worry about what is going on in their own communities and
I don't need any organization to imbue enough fear to make me vote one way
or the other. The pharmaceutical industry is of course against this measure
because it might cut into their profit. However, medical marijuana can also
alleviate a lot of suffering, and that's its purpose.
We've be waiting for the Utah legislature to approve a medical marijuana
bill for at least 5 years. The best they have done is to legalize CBD oil for
an extremely narrow, restricted use, which is almost impossible to
obtain--namely, a person who suffers from seizures who has no other alternative
treatment, who gets a doctor's prescription based on that narrow
circumstance, who then turns that prescription into the State of Utah, and is
issued a permit to purchase CBD oil. Wow! Impressive performance by our
legislature!Based on our legislature's past record, what can we
expect them to do in the future--absolutely nothing for the next 10 years!!I am an active member of the LDS Church, but am extremely disappointed
in the deceptive press release and email sent to all members by current Church
leadership. Apparently, the ultimate healer--our Lord and Savior, Jesus
Christ--approves of the use of medical marijuana, but then He entrusts our
incompetent Utah legislature to implement it. That makes no sense to me
whatsoever. I seriously doubt that the part of the message, which entrusts the
implementation of the legalization of marijuana to our Utah legislature, is
All those bitter people who say the LDS church shouldn't be involved: why
not? Because they oppose it? "Stay out of politics!" Really? Just
because you want to silence a moral view you oppose doesn't mean the church
must be quiet. Who is the source for our morality? It's not
government, no matter how much the Democrats and the liberals preach that
government has replaced God. Morality, what is right and wrong, is
the primary occupation of religion. Just because Democrats and leftists have
decided that government is the arbiter of what is right and wrong does not make
it true, and does not mean that religion should be silent on moral issues. They
should speak up, and in this case they have. Every major religion in Utah has
come out in opposition to this initiative. Even the Muslims, and since the left
only listens to Islamic types, they should listen to them now. Ask
any prison guard and they will tell you about the evils Marijuana leads to. For
every "my child has 10 seizures a day and only marijuana will help"
story, we have lots more "My child is in jail because he started on
marijuana and then went off the rails." Funny how those stories are
suppressed, isn't it?
The church should not be trying to influence this.
I think that is a very reasonable email. What happens in the voting booth is a
private matter, so people are free to vote their conscience. Getting riled up
over the fact that the Church leaders have taken a position on this issue is a
waste of emotion and energy. Many will disagree with me. That's fine.
I'm glad to see that the Church supports the use of medical marijuana for
people who are suffering great physical pain. That the Church leaders feel the
product should be controlled in a medically responsible manner is their
prerogative to express. However, as I noted earlier, everyone will have the
freedom to vote his/her conscience in the privacy of the voting booth, with
nobody looking over his/her shoulder.
I live in Las Vegas and it's been horrible since Marijuana was legalized. I
smell weed everywhere and haven't gone a day without smelling it in a long
time. I see kids smoking it out in the open and nobody cares. A huge proportion
of our billboards and advertising are all marijuana. Every flight I've
taken home to Las Vegas always has visitors talking about what dispensaries
they're going to as soon as they get here. Your communities will now
attract weed tourists. Those in favor of it say money going to schools and
government. Look at where the money as actually going in places like Las Vegas.
It didn't make it to anywhere that counts. The only people benefiting are
the dispensaries, many of which only accept cash - that's not suspicious.
UTAH, don't vote this in, you'll regret it!!
This is unfortunate that people have stuck to the dogma of the past. I hope that
we will have compassion and be open-minded toward suffering patients.
Weed heads gonna be like, ahh dude man, bummer
Show me a good faith measure and effort by our law makers to put into plan a
better alternative and I will vote no on this. Yet we see them continually do
nothing and drag their feet time and time again.
I don't want to inhale secondhand marijuana smoke.And I'm
all for it being used medicinally, though under the supervision of doctors.
carman - Wasatch Front, UTThis initiative is too broad and does not
do enough to protect the young and innocent from the dangers of this very
destructive recreational drugVery destructive? How so? Why
won't you mention the good that it does with kids who have over 100
seizures in a day???
This isn't a moral issue, it's political so why are they doing
this?I've never used marijuana and don't plan on doing so
but I'm voting yes on this. The product is much safer than pain pills.
Seriously, why do they think they should control this? I don't see any
other churches sending emails to members telling them how to vote.
The Church's position is a transparent ploy to kill the bill, with no good
faith effort to replace it with something better. They will only support it if
it is distributed through a licensed pharmacy, but they know that is currently
impossible. Not even the legislature can make that happen. To
those outside watching it just looks like cruelty based on unwarranted fear.
A former President of the Young Women made the following statement that speaks
volumes as to the effect the LDS Church’s support will have on Proposition
2, “When the Prophet speaks, the debate is over.” Enough said.
Please go to youtube and listen to Milton Friedman on why drugs should be
legalized. He offers an excellent perspective on why this bill is a good
idea.It's interesting, considering the LDS Church's
history with the law in the US, that they feel compelled to employ the coercive
power of the state to infringe on the private property of an individual (their
This type of legislation has wrecked havoc with the youth and families in
Colorado despite the Liberal Left touting the success of their pro drug agenda
here in Colorado. First medical here and very soon thereafter, recreation drugs
for all. Older adults are trying pot here for the first time since it is legal.
Pot shops are everywhere here and the thick smoke is pouring out of cars and
people on the street especially in Downtown Denver and Boulder, the bastian of
liberalism in the state. All to go along with the San Francisco like liberal
homeless agenda. Piles of poop here too. Really shows well for our decaying
Tax churches that dabble in politics.Religious freedom also means
freedom from the control of Mormon Leaders!!
I hope Utahns will stop and think before voting. This initiative only protects
those who want marijuana and not everyone else. It needs some serious revision,
which is not currently legally possible.
As with the prior comments. Medical Cannabis needs to be legalized. But true
medical use will be under the close direction and supervision of a doctor
through-out the treatment, most importantly the Doctor decides the most
effective treatment dosage and regime, and the medicine is issued via
prescription by a trained and licensed pharmacist. Not by an untrained
dispensary clerk with no medical training or knowledge.We can and
should legalize medicinal use, but do it the right way, through the legislature
with carefully crafted legislation that keeps medical care under the supervision
of medical experts. We almost had a good bill passed this last year
but the recreational use supporters killed it by attaching amendments that
changed it from a medicinal use bill to a recreational use bill. If they
hadn't tried to take it beyond the scope the bill was planned for we'd
already have proper, medically supervised medicinal use in this state.The Church speaks out on this because they deal with the results of use,
abuse, and addiction every day. They spend a great deal of time, effort and
money on their addiction recovery program, as well as counseling for those
"There are a significant number of Utah elected officials and others running
for office this year, who have signed the statement. We have chosen not to
include their names here," An important detail since churches
can't endorse candidates (but can endorse positions on issues like this
one). However, they missed one, or at least how it's presented in this
article missed one. Mitt Romney is running for Senate in this election.
I have studied this initiative in some detail and have been sent information
from the Utah Medical Association on several occasions detailing why they are
against it. The reasons that the vast majority of doctors of Utah are against
this initiative and the official medical society of Utah is against the
initiative are sound. Among other things, the language of the
initiative means that basically anyone can get it for any reason. Prosecuting
someone with marijuana becomes nearly impossible. Rather than being dispensed
at a pharmacy, it would be dispensed at a pot shop, with advice being given by
someone with no medical training - the requirements for someone to give official
advice would be about as stringent as a gas station attendant who gives advice
about what type of cigarettes one should buy.Yes opioids are
dangerous, and there do appear to be some legitimate conditions and uses for
medical marijuana. This initiative is the wrong way to go about legalizing it
for these very rare conditions.Reason, in addition to spiritual
feelings, cause me to want to follow the advice of our church leaders on this
This initiative is too broad and does not do enough to protect the young and
innocent from the dangers of this very destructive recreational drug. I applaud
the varied organizations who have come out against this Initiative, and trust
that the good people of Utah will send Prop 2 packing. A well written bill
would allow people who actually need medical marijuana, without all of the risk
inherent in this proposed legislation. Good riddance.