The group they assembled to oppose Prop 2 is a very powerful group. But, not
powerful enough to come up with their own solution. This has been a topic of
discussion for years, but the legislature just sits on its hands. With no action
by the legislature (nor this group of power-brokers) Prop 2 emerges based on the
initiative structure. Only then do they mobilize to exert their power to oppose
this solution with no alternative solution to offer. If Prop 2
isn't the right approach, then do SOMETHING. We're
I'm happy to see the church finally admit they support medical cannabis.
Now, we can pass Prop 2 and make the minor tweaks it needs in the
upcoming session of the legislature. But prescribe cannabis and sell
from a pharmacy? Those are beyond the control of the state... both are against
federal law, and waiting for that to change would mean Utahans would be dying.
I'm voting for Prop 2.
Legalize it for recreational use!
I'm in a position to know about some things mentioned in this article.Todd Moon did NOT write one of the first drafts. He wrote a document, but it
wasnt even looked at by those that wrote the actual Prop 2. Notice all
three advocates, Enedina, Nathan and Todd... all use cannabis in forms that are
currently illegal in Utah. They are breaking the law while telling other
patients to wait until this coalition comes up with something. That's so
unfair to the thousands of other patients who have been waiting.And like
Melissa mentioned, they've had plenty of time to come up with something.
Now, there's this mad push because patients did what legislators
As the parent of 5 grown children, I can assure you that kids will get pot if
they want it, whether it is legal or not. So keeping it illegal doesn't
make it go away. I can also tell you that cops doesn't enforce the law for
If the initiative passes, the Legislature will modify it, as it did when voters
approved an initiative on seizing property of suspected-but-never-charged drug
dealers. If the initiative fails, the Legislature may well decide
the issue needs more research, and once again it will do nothing.If
you approve of medical marijuana but don't like how the initiative is
written, you should still vote for it because legislators are certain to impose
I've never been an advocate for the recreational use of marijuana and never
will be. My position on the legalization of marijuana for all uses is "why
legalize another substance that can be abused and can cause many ills in
society, just because it is allegedly 'no worse than alcohol'
"?Yet, marijuana is a drug, and its potential use as a medicine
should not be ignored simply because it has been abused as an illegal drug for
many years. It reasonably appears to have many great medical applications, and
would reasonably appear to be able to treat many medical conditions in a way
superior to other drugs currently used to treat those same medical conditions,
with fewer side effects.Our legislature can't seem to look past
the stigma that has been attached to marijuana since the 60's in order to
make available it as a medicine to those in Utah who could really use its
medicinal benefits.Even our current law recognizes that illegal use
of marijuana is not as serious as illegal use of other drugs.Let's legalize marijuana for medical use and start doing research to
discover all of its beneficial uses--and to determine which uses and which level
of usage should not be allowed.
There is a way for disgruntled church members to keep from getting a Church
e-mail.First don't give the Church your e-mail address.Second, remove your name from the Church's rolls.If
your truly upset about the Church taking a position, then don't be a part
of it. If you continue your membership and complain about it, your being a
My Church can do their best to teach me the right things to do - but they
absolutely have no right to try to tell me how to vote.I am blessed
with the ability to make my OWN decisions. NOT the decisions for other people.
THAT is what it means to live in the land of the free, and the home of the
brave.I want government to tell me LESS regarding what I can, and
can't do - NOT more.I have absolutely no desire to use
marijuana, legal or otherwise, but I freely, and openly DEFEND other
people's right to make their own decisions regarding its' use.The "Church" is attempting to influence the thoughts and actions
of others, which they have a right to do, but I will support peoples right to
free agency over the church's wishes.
FractalTheorem- those studies, and more, have already been done. We have more
than 50 years of proof, research, studies, anecdotal and double-blind,
worldwide and nationwide. Many of us in the medical community are comfortable
with the cannabis, more so than watching the deaths rise from opioids and
“rush” approved drugs from the FDA. The fear-based propaganda from
this coalition is yet another way to attempt to stop our votes in November.
There are some doctors on the no side, as usual, but listen to the rest of us,
and more so to the actual patients who need this.
If the Utah legislature doesn't like the initiative, why doesn't it
call an emergency session to propose and pass a law it thinks would serve Utahns
better, rather than to just give more lip service to the issue, with the true
intent of doing nothing more about it for another 5-10 years.We've been hearing lip service by the Utah legislature about the
necessity of legalizing marijuana for medical uses for 5-10 years, but up to
this point in time the only use of marijuana that has been legalized by the Utah
legislature is the use of CBD oil by a very narrow group of people--only those
who suffer from seizures for which no other medication has been successful. At
least make CBD oil legal to treat more conditions, such as anxiety--especially
in light of recent disclosures that certain big pharma drugs that are prescribed
to treat anxiety are highly addictive.When the legislature fails or
refuses to do something the people want and need, the initiative process is the
way to get that thing done. Without this initiative passing or coming close to
passing, I have no faith that the Utah legislature will ever do anything about
this issue. That's why I'm voting for the initiative.
It should come as no surprise that the church is opposed to this bill, after all
they are the most conservative group in the world. The question is, is there
time to rewrite a better bill, that will answer everybody's concerns? Utah
leads the nation in prescription drug abuse, primarily opioids-we need to
address this problem NOW, I would urge the legislature to get in gear and write
a bill that gets it right-lives are on the line, at least quality of life for
many, many people, myself included.
Where is the bigoted vitriol complaining about the Islamic Society of Utah and
the Episcopal Diocese, which have also admonished their members to vote against
the Prop 2? No just another excuse for Anti-Latter Day Saint, bigoted
attacks.Not one advocate of the Prop 2 can show one bit of evidence
of the Church forcing anyone to vote against Prop 2. There is no threat about
their membership for anyone for voting for. There is no way for the Church to
know which way a member voted. The question is, if the Prop.
fails to pass, will the advocates accept the Democracy of the vote? Probably
not. What anti-Church advocates hate is that Democracies, are ruled
by the majority. Those decrying the Church are hypocrites that refuse to be
governed by a Democracy. The state of Utah is all Democracy run.
From the very heart of the Utah State Constitution:Sec. 4.
[Religious liberty.] The rights of conscience shall never be infringed. The
State shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof; no religious test shall be required as a
qualification for any office of public trust or for any vote at any election;
nor shall any person be incompetent as a witness or juror on account of
religious belief or the absence thereof. There shall be no union of Church and
State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions.
No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any
religious worship, exercise or instruction, or for the support of any
ecclesiastical establishment. No property qualification shall be required of any
person to vote, or hold office, except as provided in this Constitution.
Utah ranks way up there in "happy pill" prescriptions...Why
isn't the church up in arms about that?
I am an acute and chronic pain sufferer. My doctors have given me everything I
wanted... and more. Oxycodone, oxycontin, morphine, you name it. Sadly, yet
fortunately probably, my body does not do well with these drugs... or I probably
would be an addict. I would welcome a cannabis option. But I have
spoken out against this law because it opens the door to use marijuana for
recreational purposes and that is not what is in the best interests of our youth
or adults. Other states are totally out of control on this issue.What I would like to see is careful control of how it is grown, how it is
processed, and how it is prescribed. That is the sensible approach. This bill
does not do that. Let's work on a fix to it and get it passed.
Many backers of this proposition are wolves in sheep's clothing. The
manner in which "medical marijuana" has been peddled in other states has
clearly demonstrated that it is not really being used as a pharmaceutical.
There's no control on purity, dosage, etc. It's really a
free-for-all.If we want to apply it as a medicine, then let's
treat it as one.I'm in favor of doing double-blind, randomized,
placebo-controlled studies on cannibis-derived products, for safety and
efficacy, and for proper dosing.If we're going to do anything
at all as a state (or even in the federal government), let's do the tests!
Why is that not the discussion? Then we can properly apply it for the right
diseases at the right dosages to have the most beneficial impacts!Any other discussion is merely using "Why won't you let sick people
have medicine that would help them?" as a pretext for backdoor and later
overt recreational use.
Just more 'lets wait' from the people who have shown that they will
never move forward with any of this. All to protect you from a plant that you
can get today without even trying. Ignore them and vote yes.
I hope we can have compassion on suffering patients and make our own decisions.
I received the email from Elder Christensen this morning. To
paraphrase, the Church used to advocate that we, "teach good principles and
let the people govern themselves." Now, it has apparently
changed to, "tell members how to vote and force the whole of society to live
by our standards." I expect all the self-proclaimed free market
conservatives and libertarians in Utah to vote "yes" on this bill in
droves. To do otherwise is blatant hypocrisy.
Where is the urgency in this issue for the individuals whose extreme pain and
suffering can be relieved by cannabis? We know what the "coalition" is
against but is there anything reasonable and timely that it will support? What
are the "fixes" to Proposition 2 that are needed before the Church will
support something like it? There is much talk of getting the legislature
involved but are there any legislative proposals on the table? I'm still studying but as of now, I intend to vote for Proposition 2.
@samhill, if you're looking for pain relief without getting high, then you
want CBD oil. It is extracted, leaving out the THC which is the part that gets
you high.In states with MM, they have regulation. They regularly
test products to ensure they are at the right levels, plus you can't really
overdose on CBD. The state can add quality controls. The initiative gives time
for the state to get things in order in terms of licensing, etc. and
specifically establishes quality testing.Prop 2 limits how many
licenses can be given based on population, so most of our rural counties could
only have one dispensary in the county. Salt Lake County would be able to have 8
dispensaries (they have well more than that many strip clubs there if we're
legislating morality).The fear, uncertainty, and doubt around
everyone being able to get as much weed as they want is unfounded. Per the
proposition, you have to have a licensed medical doctor prescribe you a card,
and they track and limit how much product you can purchase from dispensaries.
Every plant is individually tracked, as is every person working in the industry.
Doctors are limited in how many cards they can prescribe.
Pot heads gonna be like, bummer dude.
There is confusion when legitimate, evidence-based medical use of cannabadiol,
which is not psychoactive, is conflated with those who want this initiative as
an prelude to recreational use of tetrahydrocannabanol - marijuana. According to
their statements the LDS church, among others, is not opposed to FDA approved
I would like to see a story about what exactly is in the bill-we keep hearing
that the bill is too vague, in what way? We can't make an informed choice
without all the facts, give us the facts.
Imagine that 10% of "the people" (that's how many it takes) put
together a petition to remove the speed limits on all the roads in the states.
Then imagine a group of UDOT officials, police officers, and Church leaders got
together and said "we think this is a dangerous idea that will cause more
accidents and encourage everyone to vote against it." Would we
see calls to "stay out of it!" Would we see grumblings about
this group "desiring to remove our free agency?"
Coalition is not just the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.The News Release “Coalition Seeks Safe and Compassionate Alternative to
Utah’s Medical Marijuana Initiative” provides a lot of current
information for all voters to consider.
The Prophets have guided our ancestors and still today God wants us to have
happiness and joy by following the Prophet.Follow the prophet,
follow the prophet,Follow the prophet; don’t go astray.Follow
the prophet, follow the prophet,Follow the prophet; he knows the way.
I am completely comfortable with having marijuana be treated like any other
drug. If it has legitimately-shown medical usage, then "legalize" it
with a prescription. If not, then we sholuis also recognize that, much as we
try to ignore the reality, there is a gradiation in seriousness of
"crimes" and "punishments". If someone is using some illegal
pot for what appears to be legitimate medical problems, go lightly or even
ignore them. If it is a pot and other drug dealer, punish them severely.
When Sen. Madsen was trying to pass a bill for medical weed, he had a solid
supporter in another legislator...until a day or so before the bill was up for a
vote. It was said that the boys from "the Corp" had a talk with him
prior to the vote and he pulled out.The same thing is happening
here. The "Corp" is having discussions with their members and
"convincing" them to vote against their own best interests.This is a clear case of the "Corp" interfering in politics and
influencing the outcome of an election.Time for a Federal
investigation and take the tax free status from the "Corp."
They are just using it instrad of proven and approve drugs. They tried to
encourage my wife to use marijuana to treat her MS. She had the drugs that dealt
with her symptoms and if she had taken it the side effects would have made her
worst. Remember marijuana is a untested and uncontrolled pharmaceutical. That is
notapproved to be used as a drug. And drugs can not be perscribed with out proof
Pot smokers will always get their weed...with or without laws.
You get a knock on the door from we all know who and everything changesThat’s how it works around here
I wish this article had actually informed us of the details of the issue rather
than simply rehash people's "feelings" about it.Couldn't it have at least provided some underlying information about
**why** people feel the proposition doesn't do, or does do, what they hoped
it would? What, precisely, is the reason they are for or against it?The mushy kind of reporting on this topic is the biggest reason for my
misgivings about the proposition.I've been a long-time
supporter of finding out what benefits might be found in cannabis, largely
because of back injuries during the last 25 years that have left me with
chronically debilitating and nearly constant pain. I would desperately like
something that could ease that pain without zombifying me.But, if
the people who are writing and defending the proposition, and those who oppose
it, can't come up with a way of actually arguing their positions with real,
understandable logic and transparent clarity, then my sense is that something
which started at 131 pages and was whittled down to 28 (a nearly 5:1 compression
ratio) had, and maybe still has, more fairy dust than I am willing to trust,
even after all the whittling.
Why Y? Why should the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
stay out of the discussion? Is there no right to assemble with
others that also have grave concerns? Is there no right for leaders
to speak out when they see potential harm to society? Is it not
freedom of religion for those who lead religious institutions to speak on issues
they consider to have moral consequences?
One day, one day, one day....kicking the can down the road. Meanwhile, people
are moving out of the state to get the medication they need. Vote yes in
November, and let our voices be heard.
While almost everyone will say there are substances in marijuana that can be
used medicinally and while we should be working toward providing better ways to
relieve those truly in need, anyone considering the ballot initiative should
consider:1. Following the money. Article in "The Motely
Fool" by Joey Frenette shows that "Pot Stocks" are being speculated
in big time. The big money push is not from pharmacies opposing, it is from
those who want to eventually move to totally unrestricted use. Utah's
initiative isn't just medicinal it is a giant leap in the unrestricted
direction. 2. Every law enforcement officer I have spoken with so
far has been adamantly opposed to this initiative. They are afraid for public
safety. They don't see a clear way of enforcement. They see it as a
proliferation toward unrestricted use. Automobile deaths due to marijuana are
up significantly with 38 percent of drivers killed being tested positive for
marijuana 3. Utah Medical Association as well as National Medical
Association are against the proposal as written as being dangerous to life and
health including mental health.As it stands we must vote this
dangerous initiative down.
Legislation by initiative is a horrible process in most cases. This is doubly so
in the complex process of creating laws to regulate a whole new class of
Those who claim to believe in the Church but actively work to oppose its goals
show a lack of real belief and an unwillingness to head the counsel of Church
The Church should stay out of it.
I signed the petition to get this proposition on the ballot but won't vote
for it this November. With more time to read and study the issue I don't
think Proposition 2 accomplishes was I hoped it would. I'm not opposed to
medical marijuana but don't think this law is the right way forward. I also question whether we should allow prescription drugs to be
approved through a public vote. The FDA isn't perfect but it exists for a
reason. I'd rather see marijuana go through a formal FDA approval process
and regulated like similar prescriptions. Research has shown
marijuana is much safer than many existing opioid prescriptions but that
doesn't mean it's without risk. The sooner it can be legalized (the
right way) the sooner we can move some people away from highly addictive
The people petitioned the Government for the right to vote on this. Why the
desire to remove our free agency.
Not the most helpful of articles to inform readers as to the specific bases upon
which to support or oppose this Initiative. More dramatic and marketing prose
than incitement reporting.