@unrepentant progressive "A prominent poster says:
"Political correctness IS a catch-phrase to describe those who hate in the
name of tolerance". IMHO, you have defined "political
correctness" inappropriately and ascribed motives to those who wish
tolerance for all that are false. "IMHO - I defined political
correctness in its commonly used vernacular - a description of intolerance
performed in the name of tolerance - as evidenced by your claiming to "wish
tolerance for all " while mocking those who reject the intolerance of Cross
Political correctness is the description of the behavior of those
who claim to embody the golden rule, while they simultaneously exhibit the
antithesis of the golden rule, ignoring the fact that tolerance is a two way
street and failing to offer the same degree of tolerance that they themselves
demand and claim to embodyTherefore those who criticize political
correctness AND religious bigotry are being consistent ; Those who hate in the
name of tolerance, then lapse into victim mode when they are caught being
intolerant, are being hypocritical
Rubydo said:"@thomas Jefferson,Not all religions are fair
game."Yes they are. "If Cross attempted to do to Muslims
what he did to the LDS dearly held beliefs there would be an uproar from civil
liberties groups including CAIR."And those groups would have no power
to stop him. He does make fun of Muslims as we all should."The LDS
don’t have an equivalent to CAIR who goes after someone every time a
Muslim gets offended who are backed up by the pro Islamic establishment
media."The church has a newspaper, a TV station, billions of dollars,
and hundreds of lawyers that they use to their content. "A perfect
example of this comedic hypocrisy would be the reaction of the main stream media
to Roseanne Barr’s jokes. Why wasn’t Cross treated the same way by
the university like the network treated Barr?"Because they cant. A
network is a private entity and as such doesnt have to respect free speech.I hope that clears it all up.@carman1)Whatever.2)So?"You can hold to your low-brow view,"Oh thank
you. I was waiting for your approval. "It says more about your
character than about the value of your position."Fine. Good luck with
your sense of self-superiority.
A prominent poster says: "Political correctness IS a catch-phrase to
describe those who hate in the name of tolerance". IMHO, you
have defined "political correctness" inappropriately and ascribed
motives to those who wish tolerance for all that are false. This is not good
logic, and probably a product of projection rather than considered thought.Critics of even the mildest of "political correctness" fail to
remember that tolerance is a two way street. It is a challenge to be tolerant
of those who would wish you harm or diminish your personhood. However, as a
general rule I think the concept of "political correctness" is
important. After all, isn't it an iteration of the Golden Rule? therefore those who criticize political correctness AND religious bigotry are
being consistent ; Those who hate in the name of tolerance, then lapse into
victim mode when they are caught being intolerant, are being hypocritical
@ carmanI don't think your beliefs are meaningless. Clearly
they do have meaning to you and others like you. This doesn't mean they
have or should have meaning to me, including "sacredness." Expecting
this from outsiders and getting in a huff when they don't treat your ideas
as you'd like is no different than the kids on campuses demanding that
their environs be regulated so they're "safe" or they won't be
"triggered."* It's ridiculous. Whether intentional or not,
it's a bid to control the world to your liking and no one is entitled to
that. No one's ideas are entitled to immunity from challenge or mockery.
Thank goodness, too.*For what it's worth, David Cross takes
this on too.
To Ranch:re: "Why bother worrying? Your superstitions are based
on, well, superstition and are thus meaningless."Said with such
certainty! Haha. You cannot disprove my beliefs, and you cannot
prove yours. Therefore a modicum of humility may be in order. I choose faith
in Jesus Christ, repentance/forgiveness and trying to lead a clean life. I
don't tell you that you are wrong as you tell me, I simply tell you that I
have faith in God, who's children I believe we are. If misplaced, my faith
causes me little harm, and it certainly doesn't negatively impact you.God bless.
I won’t come and see David’s show (I think that’s his name
though I seem to have already forgotten it), because I have about a thousand
less expensive and more entertaining other things I can do.Like
watch grass grow, or count clouds, or clean my X’s windows, or go visit my
in-laws, or volunteer down at the tax commission, or clean public restrooms, etc
@carman;Why bother worrying? Your superstitions are based on, well,
superstition and are thus meaningless. You can worry about it for me okay?
"Have you heard of Karma?"Yes.It's a central
concept to the belief of reincarnation found in Buddhist and Hindu faiths, in
which good and bad deeds in this life will determine the conditions of your next
reincarnation.As your use of it here demonstrates, it is a concept
that is often bastardized and distorted in western culture to disconnect it from
it's religious roots and connection to reincarnation to make more tolerable
to Christian audiences.@Pops"I think the problem with some
comedians is that they don't understand that comedy must be respectful to
be funny. "Go look at any long-running comedy show, the Simpsons,
Futurama, South Park, Friends, etc. and so-on. You may not find such things
funny (I personally find little to laugh at in such shows), but there's no
doubt that many people do find them funny, enough to keep them on the air for
years and years. And they are seldom "respectful".So no.
Respectful comedy may be your preference, but it is not a requirement.@Confused"No one has a right to mock sacred things in disguise of
Comedy."Everyone has a right to mock. What they do not have is a
right to an audience. Boycott if it offends you.
Because of a racial slur I can no longer buy my favorite pizza at the U. But the
U has no problem turning its head on this one.
A healthy sense of humor is vital to survival - for me, anyway. When something
hard happens, I know I'm recovering when laughter returns. I don't
like mean humor, but humans and our institutions do have a funny side. It
doesn't hurt to see it. Sometimes and in some ways, humor helps us
survive. For example, when my son died, I was devastated. I didn't want to
live anymore. Condolences came in. One life long friend, listening to me talk
said "you should take up smoking". It was a ridiculously irreverent
thing to say.... but also hilarious. I laughed and said "that would take
too long." We laughed me back into being realistic. It doesn't mean I
don't still hurt or love my son any less, but: Of course, I want to keep
living. I could go on with examples, but you get the idea. A healthy sense of
humor is vital, valuable. I can laugh about my religion too.... but not mean
or cruel humor. Let's don't take ourselves too seriously. It's
To Ranch:re: "Fun fact #2; religion is nothing but
superstition."It's a big bet. For your sake, you better be
To Thomas Jefferson:re: "I believe that nothing is
'sacred'. Its all made up by humans. Your 'beliefs'
are fair game, as they should be in a free country. Feel free to defend your
beliefs but just whining about 'being offended' isnt a defense, its a
cop out. Feel free to make fun of my wacky beliefs...if you can figure out
what they are."Two problems with your view, IMHO. 1) The PC
crowd is ok mocking and demeaning one group and certain ideal, while vehemently
defending others they are ideologically aligned with. There is stark hypocrisy.
2) It is just unkind and mean-spirited.You can hold to your
low-brow view, but it says more about your character than about the value of
If Mormons world just step out from under their own shadow they could appreciate
how funny, curious, different and enjoyable that they are.
@Frozen. You make a salient point. I would not be surprised that U of U
administrators decided that since they allowed Ben Shapiro to speak on campus,
they now have to allow virtually anyone the same opportunity. Or, in other
words, it may be that most of the U of U administrators (including President
Watkins) believe that conservatives are simply the rock-bottom of the barrel.
When so called comedians resort to the vulgar, the mocking of others, and try to
appeal to the basest of human emotions to (try) to get a laugh, then they are
showing their own lack of talent.
Here's my struggle. I get the free speech issue. And I agree our
constitution protects that. But there is a deeper level of censorship that
society enforces. Not all "hate speech" is created equally in the eyes
of popular society. Sure wearing a temple garment of The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints may not raise many eyebrows in popular society, but what
about wearing blackface, or dressing as a rape victim, or a holocaust fatality.
All technically protected by free speech, but certainly society does not
tolerate those who mock these things as they enjoy popular protection. The news
is full of people who have had society enforce harsh consequences because of
their mockery of the sacrosant. People love to throw around terms
like "historically disenfranchised" to justify this extra societal
protection. And I agree that we should be respectful of everyone's sacred
beliefs. However, I have not seen an argument that convinces me how winking at
the mockery of other groups serves the greater good. My solution
is not to tolerate disrespectful speech of these groups, but to not socially
tolerate any speech that is disrespectful of the sacred beliefs of anyone.
It may be ok for a university or some other uncouth individual to take public
funds for this drivil by claiming freedom of speach freedom of speach is not
free many have given the last full measure of devotion for this nation for the
people to set back and condone this behavior by any person they will get their
comeuppons guaranteed probably sooner than later I will not pay or participate
with this lot ever period I understand that the DN Just reports on the
going's on in Utah to a very large audience at least I do not have to pay
for the reporting
David Cross is just a Kathy Griffin in training.
The University would probably love to get rid of this problem but they
determined a year ago over the Shapiro visit that when they rent out spaces at a
public (government) institution, they're stuck with the unsavory guests
because free speech allowances are broad in the public sector.
I used up all my posts on the previous article; so I would like to continue my
train of thought on this article.Why I don't find David
Cross's photo of temple garments to be offensive (even though I am an
endowed member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and wear
temple garments.)Years ago, I looked up the definition of
"offend" in a Webster's Dictionary; and was extremely disappointed;
because even though it was a dictionary, it acted more like a thesaurus and just
listed three synonyms. I looked up those three words and they also just had
synonyms except one that had a decent definition. I don't remember those
now; but a current definition I find is "cause to feel upset, annoyed, or
resentful"I couldn't understand how anyone could be
"offended" because I walk a little different (like a penguin); yet that
is exactly one of the reasons I was told that people felt offended by me.So, I began to look into feelings; and learn how to better define them.
And I found that when I felt "offended" at someone else, it gave them
power over me. If I wanted to stay empowered myself, I realized I had to learn
not to take offense; even when someone tried to offend me.
I echo "Mainly Me" in their post - the best thing for people to hope for
is that anybody who had contemplated going to this performance and has respect
for other LDS in their lives is that they avoid going.The best sign
to a comedian that he's irrelevant will be a small crowd in a big venue who
doesn't laugh at the jokes. An even better one will be those who walk out
during the performance.It's something I've had to do
during a comic's performance on a cruise ship, when he started flinging
Religious believers, please read your scriptures and see all the places where
your official doctrines and beliefs "mock", disparage, belittle, and
condemn non-believers.Then look at how you ostracize and badly treat
us in real life. Once you have faced the truth about yourselves, Then let's talk...
Re: "Anyone who complains about David Cross cannot criticize the college
students who protest speakers on college campuses or the people who criticize
art for not being 'PC'".Sure we can. We
not only can, we do complain about and criticize both. What our ethics prevent
us from doing is what student lemmings are famous for -- witless acceptance of
their leftist professors' instigation to violently throttle others'
free-speech rights.Community organizing -- the Left's
substitute for actual thinking.
If he had made fun of gays or muslims The U would have cancelled his show.
I'm not a fan of picking on minorities. And believe it or not Mormons
(sorry name) are a more significant minority than gays or Muslims - maybe not in
UT but in the US for sure.
Herbert Gravy said "Couldn't he just make a few jokes about green
jello, funeral potatoes, and fruit punch and be done with it?"Unfortunately for him, no. Making jokes about those things would indicate that
he has some understanding of the "Mormon culture." The problem is that
he has zero understanding of it. He is mocking something that he knows nothing
about. He had probably never even heard of garments until his publicist
recommended the photo, let alone have any clue what the garment means to the LDS
people. He targets the Mormons for 2 reasons. First, he knew that it
would generate buzz about his show. I had no clue he was coming, and it would
have come and gone without me finding out, had it not been for this. Second, it
has become socially acceptable to mock people of faith for the sake of being PC.
I take that back, it has become a social obligation to mock people of faith. The sad thing for people like Mr. Cross is that unfunny people can
become famous "comedians" because they are good at using shock humor. He
is able to get a crowd riled about about something simply because he is willing
to be disgusting, not because he is actually funny.
@thomas Jefferson,Not all religions are fair game. If Cross attempted to
do to Muslims what he did to the LDS dearly held beliefs there would be an
uproar from civil liberties groups including CAIR. The LDS don’t have an
equivalent to CAIR who goes after someone every time a Muslim gets offended who
are backed up by the pro Islamic establishment media. A perfect example of this
comedic hypocrisy would be the reaction of the main stream media to Roseanne
Barr’s jokes. Why wasn’t Cross treated the same way by the
university like the network treated Barr?
@unrepentant progressive "And how ironic it is to see so many
who have criticized "political correctness" now find it's logic
convenient when their ox is being metaphorically gored.Bigotry, is
bigotry, is bigotry. It is not funny. It hurts. It insults. It demeans. Whether
it be a racial minority, a sexual minority, a cultural minority or a religious
minority, bigotry is inappropriate, though it is protected by freedom of speech.
Let's just not be selective in our outrage."Political
correctness IS a catch-phrase to describe those who hate in the name of
tolerance; therefore those who criticize political correctness AND religious
bigotry are being consistent ; Those who hate in the name of tolerance, then
lapse into victim mode when they are caught being intolerant, are being
Imagine if a couple of Mormons (sorry, there needs to be some nickname, because
the full name is too long) living in the Fairfax neighborhood of LA decided to
mock Jews. It was so successful that they petitioned the City of LA to lease
the a former synagogue (that had been donated to the City) to host an ongoing
satire of Jewish culture that included such wonderful skits as singing sultry
song wearing only sacred attire.It would be called anti-Semitic and
hateful; now reverse roles and it is called Saturdays VoyeurCertainly comedians have the right to offend; But i have the right to discount
then as intolerant hypocrites, bullies, bigots and frauds.Poster
'Thomas Jefferson' perfectly the illustrates the spectacular lack of
self awareness of many "tolerant" people who merely mirror the hate they
claim to despise - only worseThere seems to be nothing more
intolerant than a "tolerant" person.
The LDS church does provide a lot of material for comedians.
It's pretty simple. Cross has the right to make tasteless, unfunny,
potentially offensive jokes about whatever. I have the right to ignore him.
Others have the right to protest him. And still others have the right to pay him
so they can watch him make tasteless, unfunny, potentially offensive jokes if
they like that kind of "humor". The U of U president was exactly correct
in her response.
The Mormon church is an easy target for comedians and satirists for the
following reasons (and has been since Samuel Clements first took aim at it after
passing through Utah)1. The religion appeared after the invention of
the printing press2. Numerous contemporaries wrote about its early
leaders and practices3. Polygamy, abstaining from coffee and tea
(the second and third most consumed beverages on earth after water) and other
issues 4. The internet gives access to information regarding 25. Members are unfamiliar with #2Some embrace this status,
while others are angered
I cant wait. David Cross is hilarious. Why do people on this forum pretend
that they can teach a guy who has had a long and successful career in comedy
what is 'really' funny. I believe that nothing is
'sacred'. Its all made up by humans. Your 'beliefs'
are fair game, as they should be in a free country. Feel free to defend your
beliefs but just whining about 'being offended' isnt a defense, its a
cop out. Feel free to make fun of my wacky beliefs...if you can figure out
what they are.
The "meme" in today's secular, amoral culture is that religion is
just a bunch of superstitions to keep uneducated hicks under control. I
guess freedom of speech demands that we "tolerate" insults and mockery.
But just imagine if no one came to his shows and no one laughed at what he said.
I don't see what all the huff ad puff is about the media has been putting
the Muslim religion in their articles for decades but now shoe is on the other
foot a comedian who is basically irrelevant to the LDS tweets a few things....
@ carmen"Mockery and ridicule of any protected class - race,
religion, gender, etc. is NEVER ok."A statement like this could
easily be used to justify events like the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and many others
carried out in the name of defending sacred things.That there are
people who really think this way terrifies me. Genuinely, terrifies me.
Anyone who complains about David Cross cannot criticize the college students who
protest speakers on college campuses or the people who criticize art for not
If his comments were in regard to Blacks or LGBT he would be banned from his
performance. Yet it is OK to mock and insult the most prominent religion of the
area? Isn't this another form of racism and intolerance for a
group of people that we always hear about? Seems a tad bit hypocritical to
me.Thanks for the U of U Pres to stand up. But the show must go on?
Again if it were for other groups would the show go on? Where is SLC Mayors
comments? Poking fun it one thing. Insulting sacred things is
Its sad to me to see someone do this and, in the name of freedom of speech and
tolerance, give him the forum to "entertain" at the expense of what is
very offensive to others. I know it put a lot of pressure on Ruth
Watkins, president of the University of Utah, to know how to handle this. I
have not read her released statement condemning religious intolerance, but
stating the show will go on. I do know this... my great great uncle
is Joseph Thomas Kingsbury. He was president of the U of U longer than any
other man since it was founded. He was considered by many "liberal" in
his views. But he was also a man of faith and and the moral courage to take on
other professors who were, at the time, exercising their first amendment rights
to put down the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To have Cross
occupy a forum at Kingsbury Hall, named after my gg uncle saddens me.If we condone, accept or even tolerate these behaviors, we are part of the
problem."The offensive use of sacred religious imagery in a
tweet by David Cross promoting his performance at Kingsbury Hall was in
opposition to the university's values of respect and inclusivity,"
Watkins said. Amen to that.
Quote from the front page of the Deseret News: "Religion and comedy often
mix, but it's difficult for comedians to determine the best way to discuss
faith." What? Discuss faith? That is totally not what comedians do. They
promote serious discussion haha. They want attention, money and laughs. They are
entertainers for heavens sake. They promote themselves not discussion. If this
is what people will pay to see and laugh at, then there you go. Success. When a
comedian chooses to make fun of sacred things for one group, it is not sacred
for another group. Comedy walks on and over the line of kindness because it can.
"bigotry isn't funny"Many of us agree. It stings when
you are mocked. Yet these same offended people often freely mock
others. Mr Cross obviously doesn't understand the offense given his
picture. Still, the victims of Mr Cross have freely tweeted out insults to
minorities with impunity with no recognition that it might be as insulting to
their objects of their scorn and derision.And how ironic it is to
see so many who have criticized "political correctness" now find
it's logic convenient when their ox is being metaphorically gored.Bigotry, is bigotry, is bigotry. It is not funny. It hurts. It
insults. It demeans. Whether it be a racial minority, a sexual minority, a
cultural minority or a religious minority, bigotry is inappropriate, though it
is protected by freedom of speech. Let's just not be selective in our
I have a question for those that support David Crass....If he had
adorn himself with Muslim sacred clothing to make a joke, would you think that
is okay?Or if he adorn himself in some of the Jewish religion sacred
garments, would you still be laughing and shucking it off as
"Entertainment"?What if he painted his face black (like they
did in the 20's and 30's) to make jokes about the Black Culture? How
would you feel?What David did was crass, rude and insensitive to the
members of the LDS church. No one has a right to mock sacred things in disguise
As the book of Galatians mentions "God will not be mocked." When Jehovah
speaks to Moses, He implies to His chosen prophet, that He has sensitive
feelings. While Cross has his moral agency to act as he will, the Lord
doesn't like it when mortals trifle with sacred things.
Steve Allen was a proponent of clean humor and believed that comics that
resorted to the crude, vulgar and offensive where unprofessional and lacking in
talent. Cross apparently falls in that category. A waste of U of U $ and
NoNames says:"And bigotry isn't funny"--
Ironic post of the day.@Schwa:Fun fact #2; religion is
nothing but superstition.PS; I didn't know who he was until all
the hoopla (never watched Arrested Development either).
Someone said: "Fun fact: Freedom of religion is protected
by the same amendment as freedom of speech."Yes you are correct,
but that same moral compass that wouldn't offend your mother, is the same
type of moral compass that shouldn't offend something so sacred to a
religion or faith. I am sad that he won't apologize, however
then I don't have to go see him. I don't think that was a very smart
move consider this state is predominantly LDS.
Church comedy and religious hilarity would be real funny if they weren’t
so specifically true, dangerous, and injurious. They really should be tagged
with a warning label.
It is sad that a taxpayer funded school like the UofU would tolerate the mockery
of the religion held by a majority of taxpayers in the state. To be clear,
Latter-day Saints can laugh at themselves, and their is a plethora of comedy
that can be funny and appropriate regarding LDS culture and behaviors. But
David Cross crossed a thick black line when he went from poking fun to complete
mockery of something that Latter-day Saints see as sacred, and a symbol and
reminder of their commitments and covenants with God.Mockery and
ridicule of any protected class - race, religion, gender, etc. is NEVER ok.
Have fun, yes. But mean-spirited attacks are just that, mean-spirited and
out-of-line. David Cross should not be welcome at the University of Utah if he
is going to behave the way he has. He thinks he's being edgy, but he is
just being rude and unkind.
I think Cross is funny. Those who are bothered by his joke would never have been
in his audience anyway. Cest la vie. Different strokes for different folks.
I think the problem with some comedians is that they don't understand that
comedy must be respectful to be funny. Division and derision aren't funny,
they're painful. Let's laugh together about the many oddities and
idiosyncrasies in our culture and behavior.
Couldn't he just make a few jokes about green jello, funeral potatoes, and
fruit punch and be done with it?🤗
This appears to be a "contested development". And, rightly
@toosmart“Allowing controversy in the form of mocking
isn't leadership or vision---it's pathetic.”Trump is
like that and tons of people support his irreverence.
"Ruth Watkins, president of the University of Utah, released a statement
condemning religious intolerance", and then facilitates it with a venue.
Hmm.But then she fails to put meat into her statement and lets the
show go on. I wish all donors to the University who truly will not tolerate
bigotry withhold donations for a year. Maybe Ruth would stand behind her
currently toothless stand. What a missed opportunity.
More anti folks will go and he’ll be “hysterical”. DN
wouldn’t past previous post. The short of it, my disposable $ will no
longer go to the U. I’m done.
I can maybe understand why my religion would be funny to David Cross. I've
laughed at plenty of his material before. He doesn't care whether his tweet
was offensive to me or not, so I won't waste time worrying about it. I hope
some day he comes around to seeing why this was so unfunny to all of us. More
than that I hope he will some day come around to seeing why those things are not
only sacred to us, but could also be sacred to him. It's obvious he
doesn't see that in the least right now, or he wouldn't have done
that. It doesn't hurt me any. I'm just sad that he's missing out.
You're a child of God, David, and you have endless potential. I hope you
see that some day, and I hope you see that we're your brothers and sisters
whom you wouldn't want to ridicule.
Fun fact: Freedom of religion is protected by the same amendment as freedom of
Recall that a key aspect of David Cross's character in Arrested Development
was being a 'never nude', so that plays toward his comedic interest in
underwear. Almost by definition, those not taking part in a given
religious tradition for whatever reason will lack the understanding and
appreciation for it, particularly spiritually.
You could not pay me enough to go and see him.
My interest in pop culture wanes with each passing day. Deep, profound,
"You can take all the sincerity in Hollywood, put it in a knats naval and
have room left over for two caraway seeds and an agents heart." - Unknown
I issue my strongest possible condemnation to this so-called joke. It was
bigoted and offensive. It was hardly creative, and simply showed a lack of any
ability to create real humor.The modern entertainment industry has
an open and stated agenda of attacking religion. This is just more of the same.
If this so-called comedian has freedom of speech, it must be
understood that the public has the freedom not to listen. A complete and general
boycott should be the answer to this bigotry.
It's just amazing at the number of comments that support irreligious,
offensive, shock-type humor to grab an audience that will pay money to witness
such a performance based upon the First Amendment. Personally, such humor
shouldn't be supported unless one finds it funny to bully others and mock
them for their beliefs, regardless of which faith they espouse. That's
what's happened to society---anything is OK except something that can be
termed a racial or sexual preference slur. Let that same type of humor be tried
in largely Jewish areas of the country mocking Judaism or against the Muslim
people and see what the reactions would be.Allowing controversy in
the form of mocking isn't leadership or vision---it's pathetic.
I think the real issue is being missed. The performer wants attention and
succeeded.The focus should instead be on how the University
President responded. To summarize: she missed a wonderful opportunity to bring
the unique community together while setting a wise academic example.She tried to please all sides by making a trite reference to the First
Amendment while acknowledging how offensive it was. That wouldn’t have
been tolerated in an elementary constitutional law class.She must
have known that something like this would arise during her tenure. How
encouraging it would have been for her to announce they anticipated this type of
issue and set forth a new policy that protects all constitutional rights, both
speech and freedom to practice religion free of harassment.Visionaries anticipate conflicts and address solutions in advance; leaders
address complicated issues after they arise.She missed showing
herself as a visionary. Hopefully she can show her leadership.
The sad thing is, this was such a missed opportunity.As a lifelong
member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I'm the first to
point out that there is a lot about the church and the Utah culture that springs
from it that is really very funny. There is a lot that can be presented as gut
splitting humorous to both members of the Church and non-members alike, that
mature, secure members would not find offensive, mean-spirited, nor
sacrilegious. A fair bit would not necessarily be appropriate to use in a
Sacrament Meeting talk. But it would not be crass or offensive in a secular
setting.And just as members of a minority group (racial, ethnic,
sexual, or otherwise) get more latitude to use words that are offensive when
used by non-members of that group, members of the Church have more latitude to
poke fun at their own culture without it being offensive than do non or ex
members. But even for those not members, there is a lot of humorous material
that isn't going to offend.But a photo like used by so many
hateful anti-Mormon groups simply isn't funny. It shows a lack of talent
and creativity, perhaps some deep seated, ugly bigotries. And
bigotry isn't funny,
Shakespeare was commissioned to write an anti-Semitic play. His audiences, most
of whom had never met a Jewish person, thought Merchant of Venice was hilarious.
Today, the comedic aspects of the play are heavily tempered by very troubling
mistreatment of the Jewish character.There was a time when Polack
jokes, black jokes, Muslim jokes, homosexual jokes, or jokes about overweight
women were all considered quite funny. Today, many of those jokes are considered
not just politically incorrect, but down right mean-spirited.Humor
always has the potential to offend someone. Comedy is not a "safe
space." But just as there is a difference between innuendo and crass, there
is a difference between honest or even edgy, and down right mean-spirited. The
difference is talent, vs being a hack. As a great comic who always told clean
jokes once asked, "Why does it have to be a Polack joke. Why not just a joke
about a stupid person?"It is a shame that Christianity, and
Mormonism in particular, remains a legitimate target for such crass,
mean-spirited attacks. Revealing that those who scream "hate speech" so
freely in other cases, defend this kind of crassness here.
Can you imagine if he would have did something against another group? Possibly
a politically correct religious group or another group? He would be shamed
forever. Somehow this is ok though - double standard!He is tolerant... of
those that think like him.
Eh... not offended. The guy's just trying desperately to stay relevant
after his glory years from arrested development (before it tanked).I feel
bad for him if he has to resort to that to draw a crowd, lacks creativity. I
wish the guy luck...
Just because you can legally do something, doesn't mean you should do
something.Making fun of something sacred to millions could find an
audience I suppose, but if that is how you find joy or humour, then too bad for
you.There are actually classy people who actually treat people
kindly and with respect. People can choose which crowd they enjoy and what kind
of person they want to be. I believe only one will find true happiness. Have you heard of Karma? If you want to be respected, be respectful
and honorable.Meanness is not funny. It is much more satisfying to
laugh with people than at people. I think it takes more talent to laugh with
Cross is Crass.
The best way to deal with people like Cross is to ignore him. He's here to
make money no matter what he has to do or who he has to hurt. Simply ignore him
and don't patronize or listen to his garbage.