Police: Utah teen made Instagram threat with mom's gun before 1st day of school

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  • mal murray, UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 8:29 p.m.

    Total over reaction by the administrators. She just has a good sense of humor. Leave this child alone. There was no specific threat to anyone. I hope she sues. Call Robert J. .... just joking.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 12:31 p.m.

    wake up kids... this is no joke

  • NEAD SLC, UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    @Grumpy Grandpa,

    Of course, Holmes made his "fire in a crowded" theater in support of government censorship. Noted free speech lawyer Ken White has written, "Holmes' famous quote comes in the context of a series of early 1919 Supreme Court decisions in which he endorsed government censorship of wartime dissent — dissent that is now clearly protected by subsequent First Amendment authority."

    If we want to discuss this particular instance of 'questionable' speech, I think we should restrict ourselves to the true threat doctrine, and not that O.W. Holmes quote that was made in defense of limits to free speech that are no longer recognized by the Supreme Court.

  • Thomas Jefferson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 8:39 a.m.

    This person needs to feel the full force of the law on this. No slap on the wrist. No 'kids being kids'. And in my opinion the mother needs to be considered an accomplice to this crime. Neither should be allowed to own guns. Rights come with responsibility and these two failed.

    I implore all gun owners to NEVER leave your gun where a child (or teenager) can get it. Lock them up.
    Also trigger locks are cheap. Use them.

    /Gun owner

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 6:55 p.m.

    @dn subscriber

    Hard core 2nd Amendment people would never go for what you described.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 5:50 p.m.

    How about putting the gun in a gun safe? That 17 year old just pulled the stupidest joke of her life. Doesnt she get it, even at 17?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 5:09 p.m.

    Okay, folks. Here is the chance to show if you take "school violence" seriously or want to ignore it as "just kids being kids doing stupid stuff."

    Immediately, today, right now- 72 hour involuntary commitment for mental health evaluation. That should also trigger a lifetime ban on ever legally purchasing or possessing any firearm.

    Then get the legal system in gear:
    First- Full criminal charges on every possible violation involved.
    Second- Trial in adult court. No plea bargains, go for max sentence consecutively in every charge.
    Third- never allowed to set foot on any school grounds again, K-12, community college or college. Ever. Ever.
    Fourth- banned from all social media for life.

    Next, the parents need to post a bond for $100 million against any possible damages or need for heightened security measures caused by their child.

    Some will say, "But, aw, it's just a kid, that's mean." Tough. The Columbine killers, along with all their wannabe successors "were just kids" and nearly every one gave clues they were a danger to others.

    Take every threat seriously and take serious action to neutralize the threat.

  • Grumpy Grandpa Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    Jokes are not jokes when they invoke panic or fear. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. stated:
    "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent." (Note: The surrounding SCOTUS decision was later overturned in part decades later).
    Threatening a school with a bomb or a shooting does not fall under freedom of speech and is beyond poor taste.
    Parents need to teach their kids a little more common sense.

    I'm grumpy because I was told to stop spoiling the grandkids.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 1:54 p.m.

    Joke or not...these threats must be taken seriously and the full extent of the law applied. Even if it means expulsion from any school in Utah. Home school should team everyone concerned the lessons that must be learned.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 1:24 p.m.

    Probably was just a bad, tasteless joke by an immature teenager. But I'm glad the police took the threat seriously. You can never be too careful about these things and the police need to take every potential threat of a school shooting seriously. Good job by the kids and parents who reported, and good job by the police department.