Dick Harmon: BYU coaches made big request of Beau Hoge but he looks like a valuable weapon at RB

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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 22, 2018 5:24 p.m.

    Azute:
    "Bwhahahahaha

    What I stated goes irrefuted."

    That's it? Frankly, I LOVE that being a Dawg fan bothers you so much. It's pure entertainment for me.

    But down to business, what do you mean "irrefuted" (sic)? If you're referring to my fan history, that's not refutable (which is actually a word). You can't disprove it, unless in person or requesting personal information. So unless you want to join me, my boys, and some friends from Georgia at Sanford Stadium on the 29th (the pageantry of SEC football is worth the ticket price, and I'd be happy to meet you and show you around) your position that I'm a "faux UGA fan" is indefensible.

    Now if you're referring to your position that U players' avgs in the 2009, 10, and 11 classes "don’t even remotely compare to (your) current ones", I can absolutely refute that. Per the 247 composite (most comprehensive algorithm using evaluations from all major recruiting sources including Rivals:

    Avg Utah recruit rating per year:
    2009- 83.75
    2010- 86.05
    2011- 85.55

    Last 4 yrs:
    2015- 84.65
    2016- 84.45
    2017- 86.04
    2018- 85.77

    Now that's irrefutable. Look them up yourself.

    Busted.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 22, 2018 3:44 p.m.

    "Bwhahahahaha

    What I stated goes irrefuted.

    You’re a byu fan only & that’s it& I doubt very much you’re older than I am."

    I love the inane driveling of some of our Ute friends, especially when they use words that don't exist like "irrefuted". I find it truly delicious that my being a Coug and a Dawg is so vexing to them. Living rent free in their obsessed minds is pure comedy.

    Now lets address the clear errors in stating that Utah's "past classes (09,10,11) don’t even remotely compare to (their) current ones, period".

    Per the 247 composite (the most comprehensive algorithm taken from evaluations of all the major recruiting services including Rivals):

    Utah's avg player rating per year:
    2009- 83.75
    2010- 86.05
    2011- 85.55

    Last 4 yrs:
    2015- 84.65
    2016- 84.45
    2017- 86.04
    2018- 85.77

    Busted...or should I say "irrefuted".

    Go Cougs!! Go Dawgs!!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 6:52 p.m.

    Azute:
    "Bwhahahahaha

    What I stated goes irrefuted."

    Obviously you're as clueless about the English language ("irrefuted"? lol) as you are about my history (which is fine by me, I've never had someone so obsessed about my fan history and it's becoming awkward frankly). And what exactly am I supposed to be "irrefuting"? You don't know me, and by the grace of God never will...so not sure what has been "irrefuted".

    Anyway, I will refute you're notion about having higher avg athletes the last 4 years than you did in 09, 10, and 11 though. And I'll do it with actual words and facts instead of "Bwahaha's" and inane driveling.

    Per the 247 composite (the most comprehensive algorithm that combines the evaluations of all the major recruiting sites including Rivals):

    Avg rating per Utah recruit:

    2009- 83.75
    2010- 86.05
    2011- 85.55

    2015- 84.65
    2016- 84.45
    2017- 86.04
    2018- 85.77

    Busted...or as you would say "irrefuted". Lol

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2018 1:04 p.m.

    “I was referring to avg rating per player, not the team rankings which take the number of evaluated athletes into account (again that's why Stanford and ASU were behind U in ranking despite signing better athletes on avg). Pure tripe is you stating something as fact with nothing whatsoever in the form of facts to back it up (well except for preseason predictions that you refer to as "facts").

    And enough with the faux fan nonsense. I'm red, black, and blue through and through and have been for longer than you've probably been alive. Your insecurity and obsession have been noted, now move on. I know this seems to be a difficult concept for U fans like you but let's try this one last time. Many BYU fans cheer for them because they are LDS, while also cheering for a team where they grew up, where they live, or where they actually went to school (like U allegedly).

    Go Cougs! Go Dawgs! #3 ATD, Commit to the G!”

    Bwhahahahaha

    What I stated goes irrefuted.

    You’re a byu fan only & that’s it& I doubt very much you’re older than I am.

    I’m well aware of avg star rating &, contrary to your misinformation, those past classes don’t even remotely compare to our current ones, period.

    Go Utes!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 21, 2018 8:52 a.m.

    Azute:
    "Pure tripe.....Our classes over the last 4 years were significantly higher ranked than they were way back then.....We’re fielding our deepest/MOST TALENTED team ever this year.....This is a direct result of much better recruiting nowadays."

    I was referring to avg rating per player, not the team rankings which take the number of evaluated athletes into account (again that's why Stanford and ASU were behind U in ranking despite signing better athletes on avg). Pure tripe is you stating something as fact with nothing whatsoever in the form of facts to back it up (well except for preseason predictions that you refer to as "facts").

    And enough with the faux fan nonsense. I'm red, black, and blue through and through and have been for longer than you've probably been alive. Your insecurity and obsession have been noted, now move on. I know this seems to be a difficult concept for U fans like you but let's try this one last time. Many BYU fans cheer for them because they are LDS, while also cheering for a team where they grew up, where they live, or where they actually went to school (like U allegedly).

    Go Cougs! Go Dawgs! #3 ATD, Commit to the G!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 20, 2018 9:13 p.m.

    So much wasted ink on recruiting rankings. Really?!
    Really pathetic, actually.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Aug. 20, 2018 5:05 p.m.

    azute1

    Preseason polls are simply for entertainment, they’re absolutely meaningless as far as proving anything in the upcoming season.

    USC started season ranked #1 a few years ago, and finished unranked.

    Utah has more of a chance of finishing 2018 with a losing season, than the Utes have of winning the PAC 12 championship.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 20, 2018 2:33 p.m.

    "No spin involved.....I merely state facts."

    And then he proceeds to post a poll taken pre-season.

    that's an opinion, you might be factual in your recording of it, but it's an opinion.

    There is no "fact", Utah hasn't played a game yet.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 20, 2018 2:21 p.m.

    "Regardless if how you spin it"

    But they spin it so well!

    I'm just delighted in the "2nd place is actually 1st place" discussion - I'm amused that people who are seemingly adults actually make such an argument.

    There is also "we Utah fans would love to move on, but . . . " as if somebody has them hostage writing these comments.

    Pure comedy with some of these frUtes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2018 1:28 p.m.

    “Regardless if how you spin it”

    No spin involved.....I merely state facts.

    We’re legitimate PAC-12 contenders & this annoys you to no end.....Conversely, your team, #112 byu-p, has residency in The National Bottom 10–Lololololol

    PAC-12 MEDIA POLL

    South

    1 • USC • (22) 225 points
    2 • Utah (14) 209
    3 • Arizona (3) 178
    4 • UCLA (2) 116
    5 • Colorado (1) 80
    6 • Arizona State 72

    North

    1 • Washington (40) 249 points
    2 • Stanford (1) 198
    3 • Oregon (1) 178
    4 • California 108
    5 • Washington State 98
    6 • Oregon State 45

    First-place votes in parentheses

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    “And just for fun...did you realize that your recruiting average this year was pretty much on par with 2009/2010/2011? Before you were in the Pac12? So other than having more depth, your athletes now aren't rated much better than your athletes then (though I'll be the first to admit that depth does matter).”

    Pure tripe.....Our classes over the last 4 years were significantly higher ranked than they were way back then.....We’re fielding our deepest/MOST TALENTED team ever this year.....This is a direct result of much better recruiting nowadays.

    Case in pt—You pointed to ASU/Stanford.....Well, we’re 2-1 against each over last three.....And against the most talented PAC-12 team in USC? We’re 2-2 over last four.....Better recruiting is a clear factor in our ability to consistently win these games, period.

    Sure, it required a full recruiting cycle to get there, upon joining our conference, but we’ve unequivocally arrived.

    Conversely, the recruiting of your team, byu-p, in Indy irrelevancy has been absolutely horrid, w/their most recent class ranked #84 nationally—Lololololol

    And spare me your faux UGA fandom.....We’ve already had that conversation.

    Go Utes!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 20, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    @navel

    "Conclusion: Edge Rivals.
    ... we can also conclude the fact that AZUTE1 knew this, whereas you did NOT, that it's HE who who earns higher credibility with each post. You're credibility however keeps going the other way. Typical hypocritical coug. How embarrassing for you."

    ***

    Similar to most posts that you write on BYU FB (and especially BB), You draw conclusions that are anything but accurate.

    Just skimming a couple of the articles you cite the truth is that all three of the Rating services discussed have similar results. You gave the edge to Rivals based on the fact that they rated 32 first round picks as 5 stars out of HS over 5 years? While ESPN and 247 only picked 30 during the same time period? LOL. Unbelievable. That equates to a 21.33% accuracy for Rival vs a 20.0% accuracy each for 247 and ESPN... Big Wow. The fact that 2 of the 3 services picked Hoge as a 3 star against one that picked him as a 2 star would clearly show him to be a 3 star player vs a 2 star out of HS.

    I can't believe I am even writing this out for you because I think most fans would be shaking their head at your comment. As usual, the most embarrassment in this discussion is all yours.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    azutemythology

    Regardless if how you spin it, the Utes have never even come close to winning a PAC 12 championship and have never even come close to outrecruiting the big boys of the PAC 12 - USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon - over any four-year period, and never will.

    The closest the Utes have ever gotten to playing in the CCG was when they tied for 1st in their division, but they lost the tiebreaker, decisively, so, in reality, the Utes are celebrating their margin of defeat.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 10:51 a.m.

    @azute1

    Lol—In other words, you have zero actual interest in byu athletics/the content of these articles, but rather merely expressing how I live rent free in your head 24/7.....I own you 100%—Priceless.

    -------------

    ...sez the BYU hater who has posted 11 times on this BYU article alone (more than any single BYU fan has posted) and will surely post for the 12th time once he reads this post.

    haha...delicious irony. The DN owns you 100% because they know BYU lives rent free in your head 24/7. The DN trolls BYU haters like you multiple times a day and you can't resist their clickbait.

    It's like feeding time at Sea World and you guys are performing seals who come when called for the free mackeral. "ARF! ARF! ARF! (noise of flippers clapping together) ARF! ARF! ARF!" You're helpless to resist.

    I read an article once that talked about the amount of readership, comments and online traffic of BYU articles and how it drowns the Jazz (which in turn trounces the utes). Lol!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    Azute/NV:
    "The subject was PAC-12 recruiting class rankings & we did in fact finish w/the 5th best recruiting class, contrary to the original poster’s claim we “ALWAYS” finish in the bottom-half of the conference."

    Well yeah, you did finish 5th but only because you recruited more players than ASU and Stanford. Their average rating per player was actually quite a bit higher (and yes 2 to 3 full points on avg per player is pretty significant). So technically using average stars or average rating you were in fact in the bottom half and nearly identical to 8th place Cal.

    And just for fun...did you realize that your recruiting average this year was pretty much on par with 2009/2010/2011? Before you were in the Pac12? So other than having more depth, your athletes now aren't rated much better than your athletes then (though I'll be the first to admit that depth does matter).

    MRM may not have followed the conversation but who can blame him. Your inane ramblings can become quite nauseating, so I think we'll give him a pass.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    “LOL!

    Only in your fantasy world where only your best years count.

    Quite obviously your mitigating of inferior talent is only a figment of your imagination.”

    We only just 4 yrs ago finally had a roster 100% full of PAC-12/P5 recruits, meaning no more MWC talent, thus placing us on equal-footing w/our peers.

    We then rattled off 3 consecutive years w/a winning conference record & only USC/Stanford can make that identical claim.

    This included a co-South Championship/finishing ranked every year/100% in CFP rankings since its inception @ that point, etc.

    Last yr was merely a 1-yr rebuild upon losing nearly 20 kids to The NFL, including 8 draftees, a school record & good for 4th nationally.

    We’re no longer young/inexperienced & CFB experts across the nation have taken notice.

    Nice try.

    8 straight & counting is soon upon us.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2018 12:46 a.m.

    “Nope!

    U finished with the 5th worst record in the PAC South and with 9th worst record in the PAC 12.

    Sagarin rankings are completely irrelevant in determining your standing in the PAC 12.”

    You obviously have difficulty in following along.

    The subject was PAC-12 recruiting class rankings & we did in fact finish w/the 5th best recruiting class, contrary to the original poster’s claim we “ALWAYS” finish in the bottom-half of the conference.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

    p.s. Your envy/jealousy of our PAC-12/P5 membership is palpable.

    Instead, byu-p is busy hauling in the #84 ranked recruiting class nationally &, as a National Bottom 10 resident, finishing ranked #112 nationally, upon getting absolutely slaughtered by national bottom-feeder ECU/losing to lowly UMASS @ home on Homecoming/Senior Day, giving them their 1st FBS road W ever—Lol

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 10:39 p.m.

    azute1

    “We mitigate any talent difference w/superior player-development / coaching..... Just see our overall winning conference record...”

    LOL!

    Only in your fantasy world where only your best years count.

    In the real world, you’re 28-35 in conference and your most frequent division finish (4 of 7) is 5th, the ONLY team in the PAC 12 South that hasn’t played in the CCG.

    Quite obviously your mitigating of inferior talent is only a figment of your imagination.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 10:30 p.m.

    azute1

    “We mitigate any talent difference w/superior player-development/coaching.....Just see our overall winning conference record

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 10:24 p.m.

    For some reason, my first post wasn't allowed or just omitted. But essentially it pointed to the fact that the sources NV/Azute used are not "independent" but rather from Michigan, Bama, and Ohio State sources. And they are old and outdated from the 247 composite that now uses an algorithm from a wider range of resources and data from all major recruiting services, including Rivals. Note: the first reference he gave was from 2012, not 2014, and all three "evaluations" did not include the 247 composite, and only the 11 Warriors used the 247 rankings which is NOT the composite.

    Go to most P5 programs' recruiting boards and the 247 composite is becoming the standard because multiple sources and a larger sample size will always be more predictive than one biased source. Rivals has been falling behind the 247 composite since 2013 when they lost the most prestigious HS All-Star game and HS Combine (US Army All-American Bowl and Combine) as the official selection and recruiting service. Anyone that follows recruiting closely knows this.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 9:57 p.m.

    azute1

    “Not true....We finished in 5th place in the team rankings in this most recent cycle,...”

    Nope!

    U finished with the 5th worst record in the PAC South and with 9th worst record in the PAC 12.

    Sagarin rankings are completely irrelevant in determining your standing in the PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 19, 2018 8:15 p.m.

    CG:

    "Despite NV’s false spin, the ranking comparisons don’t even attempt to measure how well individual players perform based on their individual star ratings."

    Actually, that is precisely what those rankings were designed to do. They're measures designed to predict how well and individual player will perform. What did you think those rankings were for?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 19, 2018 7:24 p.m.

    “Based on talent stars, the Utes have absolutely no chance of ever winning a PAC 12 division or conference championship.”

    Not true.....We mitigate any talent difference w/superior player-development/coaching.....Just see our overall winning conference record over the last 4 years/reference NFL rosters/CFP rankings/final yearly rankings, etc., as evidence.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 19, 2018 7:18 p.m.

    “What you conveniently leave out of your team rankings spin is that Utah ALWAYS finishes in the lower half of the PAC 12 in team rankings.“

    Not true....We finished in 5th place in the team rankings in this most recent cycle, up systematically over the years from 11th place way back when we 1st joined our conference.

    Research is your friend.

    Go Utes!

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 19, 2018 6:21 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    What you conveniently leave out of your team rankings spin is that Utah ALWAYS finishes in the lower half of the PAC 12 in team rankings.

    Based on talent stars, the Utes have absolutely no chance of ever winning a PAC 12 division or conference championship.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 4:45 p.m.

    Ranking the rankers:

    “The truth is, most of the team rankings wind up very similar. AL.com created composite rankings of the final Rivals and Scout rankings from 2010 to 2013. The two sites had 23 of the same teams in their composite top 25.”

    Despite NV’s false spin, the ranking comparisons don’t even attempt to measure how well individual players perform based on their individual star ratings.

    There’s absolutely no proof that Rival’s 3* rating of an individual player is more valid than ESPN’s or 247’s 4* rating of the same player.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 19, 2018 4:07 p.m.

    You ute fans are wrong.

    The stars are arbitrary and they change, 4 star players start out as 3 star players, so naturally there can be confusion. Maybe one website gets it wrong, but I think it's hilarious that I'm expected to dismiss all news that's not rivals because Google rates rivals as the authority here - despite the fact that the top Google result is ESPN listing him as 3 stars.

    But rivals says he's 4, so there is an argument.

    But Hoge only receiving one offer - that's just wrong. Miami Ohio and Ohio also offered him.

    Maybe rivals missed that, if they did then the are wrong, and if you quote someone who is wrong, then you are wrong.

    I'm curious about how I should rate information from Google now, I guess rather than accepting the top story as truth I should scroll down until I find another story that is Utah fanbase approved, then justify why Google wants me to trust that version rather than the one they rated as the top version.

    Do you guys have your own internet ranking systems that only go favorable to Utah football?

    Anyway, I appreciate the commitment - never admit you at wrong, even when everyone knows you are football. 🏈

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 3:40 p.m.

    cont-

    Finally you quote from 11 Warriors (Ohio State site) which evaluated based on the draft. However, the NFL draft doesn't necessarily speak to how the athlete performed in college which is what recruiting services are actually predicting. The other problem is once again the 247 composite is not included in the evaluation (only the 247 ranking...and I hope you know the difference).

    The most hilarious thing, however, is that both the Bama (AL.com) and Ohio State (11 Warriors) references you provide now use the 247 composite on their recruiting boards to rate their players. And not a single reference you gave was "independent", they were from contributors for AL.com, UM, and 11 Warriors.

    The 247 composite has become more trusted because it uses data from ALL four of the major recruiting sites. And if that isn't enough there's this from Sports Business Daily: "In May 2013, 247Sports reached a long-term agreement to become the official online selection partner of the U.S. Army All-American Bowl and the U.S. Army National Combine, replacing its competitor Rivals". Now the US Army All-American Bowl and National Combine ARE independent invitational events to the best HS players.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    NV:
    I thought we'd put you and Azute's (same person...but way to back yourself up lol) recruiting bias to bed. You're quoting from old information and frankly biased information but let's break it down anyway:

    The first reference you give is from some contributor to a Michigan sports blog (that's credible). But let's look at it anyway, specifically the part where it says this about the 247sports composite: "For the most part they are excluded from these evaluations". So the composite because it was too new, wasn't even evaluated in this reference. So that's a fail (and the reference is from 2012 not 2014).

    The second reference you give is from an Alabama site where only Rivals and Scout are compared (still no 247 composite) and they have this ringing endorsement for how "accurate" Rivals is: "College football's 2013 Associated Press All-American team had nearly as many five-star recruits (four) as two-star recruits (three), based on recruiting rankings at the time by Rivals. Among the 25 first-team All-Americans, 13 were not ranked among the top 20 players at their position coming out of high school (by Rivals)." So basically throwing darts would do just as well.

    -cont-

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 19, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    poyman:

    “So who declared Rival's the #1 most reliable Recruiting Ranking Service?"

    Several "independent" analysts actually. I even posted these very same Google search engine requirements right here in the DNews last February.

    Here's your Google search engine requires....AGAIN!

    1. "Rating the Raters: Reviewing Recruiting Services for Success and Bias April 18 2014"
    2. "Ranking the rankers: Revisiting past Rivals and Scout college football recruiting rankings Jon Solomon February 4 2014"
    3. "Rivals predicted the most NFL first-rounders from 2013-17, with Scout last An Eleven Warriors' analysis broke down just how well each recruiting site did at projecting first-round picks from 2013-17 Andrew Bucholtz on 07/07/2017"

    I could find no "external" rating sources that ranked Scout, 247, nor ESPN as the most accurate source.

    Conclusion: Edge Rivals.

    And I believe that we can also conclude the fact that AZUTE1 knew this, whereas you did NOT, that it's HE who who earns higher credibility with each post. You're credibility however keeps going the other way. Typical hypocritical coug. How embarrassing for you.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 19, 2018 10:48 a.m.

    “Hahaha!! It’s so funny to see how azute is so emotionally invested in every BYU article ever written. I love to read BYU article just to see his dribble and infatuation with everything BYU. Keep entertaining us azute.”

    Lol—In other words, you have zero actual interest in byu athletics/the content of these articles, but rather merely expressing how I live rent free in your head 24/7.....I own you 100%—Priceless.

    Go Utes!

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    Aug. 19, 2018 9:34 a.m.

    Hahaha!! It’s so funny to see how azute is so emotionally invested in every BYU article ever written. I love to read BYU article just to see his dribble and infatuation with everything BYU. Keep entertaining us azute.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 19, 2018 4:21 a.m.

    “So who declared Rival's the #1 most reliable Recruiting Ranking Service? You? LOL...I mean if you say it, it must be so, right? Because everything you say is 100% accurate... With each post you claim facts that aren't facts and it's virtually impossible to give you any credibility .“

    And you believe your abudant inaccuracies lend you even the remotest credibility? Lol

    Google is your friend.....Research it for yourself if you’re capable of it, but Rivals comes in ranked #1.

    CH 4 star 3 commit-able offers & BH 2 star 1 commit-able offer.

    Go Utes!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 18, 2018 11:42 p.m.

    @azute1

    "...The #1 most reliable service on its own is Rivals & CH was a 4 star w/3 offers & BH was a 2 star w/1 offer, period."

    *************

    So who declared Rival's the #1 most reliable Recruiting Ranking Service? You? LOL...I mean if you say it, it must be so, right? Because everything you say is 100% accurate... With each post you claim facts that aren't facts and it's virtually impossible to give you any credibility .

    Here's the facts... Both ESPN and 247 (highly credible recruiting and ranking sources ranked both Chase and Beau as 3 stars... Fact.

    Beau had 3 suitors (and a couple of other schools) who were interested in him and ready to make offers... Beau signed a LOI to BYU in November and that ended the other school's pursuits... fact.

    It would be so refreshing if you are going to make comments about BYU Recruits and Players on BYU threads that you would actually research the comments and don't make your opinion sound like it is "fact"... more times than not, they aren't... They are usually opinions or factually wrong.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2018 5:49 p.m.

    “As of now, BYU's commits for 2019 are.....

    1 4-star
    6 3-star
    2 2-star”

    “As of now” is the key.....This looks virtually identical to where byu was @ this time of year last year & they ended up w/the #84 ranked class w/roughly 1/2 their recruits being 2 stars.

    August doesn’t matter.....It’s where you finish by February, period.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2018 5:46 p.m.

    “That is a 3 star number for those who know anything about college FB recruiting. Both 247 and ESPN had him as a 3 star.”

    The #1 most reliable service on its own is Rivals & CH was a 4 star w/3 offers & BH was a 2 star w/1 offer, period.

    Nice try.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2018 5:41 p.m.

    “Chase Hansen was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.

    Beau Hoge was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.”—Limp

    Make believe doesn’t count.

    CH 4 star w/3 offers & BH 2 star w/1 offer.

    “Not much difference between Hoge and Hansen.”—Limp

    Bwhahahahaha

    More make believe.

    CH is a bonafide NFL talent.

    BH is a bonafide pine rider.

    Go Utes!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 18, 2018 5:10 p.m.

    @Cougar Claws
    Look at the article again. It clearly states 10 flat in the 100 YARD, not meter—big difference.
    In the 70’s high schools were still using the English system—100 yd, 220 yd, 440 yd, etc. 10.0sec in the 100 yd is probably pretty close to a 10.6-10.7 in 100 meter.

    @RealUte
    As someone who makes a living writing about sports for longer than you’ve been alive, Dick Harmon has a lot more credibility than any of the detractors commenting here.

  • Coug’84 Springville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 3:44 p.m.

    No matter the standing or position of a parent, we love our kids which makes us emotional bystanders! Beau’s dad proved what I already knew from years of coaching (not because I sought it out, but because my kids wouldn’t get to play if they didn’t have a coach!). Emotional parents standing on the sidelines all sounded a lot like Merle Hodge basically saying, “I love my kid, put him in!”

    I love the rivalry! From my high school days to now, competition makes us better in whatever you do!

    I love the fact the Ute fans think of us as the little brother now after decades of playing BYU which made the Utes better and able to compete for a spot in the PAC-10! Now the tide has turned and BYU certainly looks like the little brother. But no matter year, or whether you are the Utes or the Cougars, we might hide our excitement for the upcoming rivalry game, but we always want this one more than most, and you can’t tell me the coaches and the players aren’t ready and excited.
    I’m stoked it’s back to it’s position as the last regular season game this year, but I hope it will mean as much to BYU as I know it will mean to Utah, who, if little brother blackens his eye will have a lot to lose!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    @ The John in slc

    The man behind the "Mask of False Bravado" wrote:

    "Get back to us when all of them actually sign. Until they do, you’ve got nothing but smoke in a bottle. And that’s no myth.

    And Utah has nothing but 4 Conference Championships out of 180 competed for.
    And that's the fact, Jack!

    Get back when "U" are no longer the only team to never win the South. Ouch!

    Or the 10th ranked Athletic program in the Pac - 10.2

    OK then....

    2018 recruits-BYU

    17 3-star

    6 2-star

    Myth BUSTED!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 2:21 p.m.

    “As of now, BYU's commits for 2019 are. . .”

    Pluto:

    Get back to us when all of them actually sign. Until they do, you’ve got nothing but smoke in a bottle. And that’s no myth.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    @ AZute - naval- philly - frog

    yet another comment without merit:

    you wrote:
    "Yeah we’re quaking in our boots over one of byu’s wide array/plethora of 2 stars—Lol"

    Wide array?

    What is it with Ute fans having such a hard time with facts?

    As of now, BYU's commits for 2019 are.....

    1 4-star
    6 3-star
    2 2-star

    Would you care to revise your recent act of perpetuating yet, another myth?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 18, 2018 2:10 p.m.

    @azute

    "p.s. “Beau Hoge was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.”—Limp

    Not only was BH a 2 star, byu-p was his only offer."

    **************
    It would be nice if just once you did a little homework before you write this stuff.

    — 247SPORTS COMPOSITE —
    0.8256
    NATL. RANK
    1507
    DUAL RANK
    36
    KY RANK
    7

    That is a 3 star number for those who know anything about college FB recruiting. Both 247 and ESPN had him as a 3 star.

    Also,

    HOOLSTATUSOFFERVISIT
    BYUSigned
    Miami (OH)
    Ohio

    This is the recruiting info on Hoge... He committed to BYU in November (3 months before signing date) and had pending offers from U of Ohio and University of Miami at Ohio.

    You guys really need to do more homework before posting "fake facts" it would help your credibility immensely.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 18, 2018 1:58 p.m.

    @realute

    "...Beau Hoge had ONLY one offer, BYU. I'm jus' sayin', but Chase Hansen is the real deal and will be a top 3 round NFL draft pick if he stays somewhat healthy. Hoge isn't a football player."

    ****
    Hoge committed in November instead of February (the normal signing day)... He was going to be offered by both University of Ohio and University of Miami at Ohio before signing his LOI in November.

    Both Hansen and Beau were 3 star recruits coming out of HS.

    No one is saying that Hoge is better or worse than Hansen... Hansen is well thought of on the Defensive side of the ball, but he has a history of being moved around in positions. He was recruited as a QB, moved to SS and had a good year in that position last year and he is getting moved again to LB for the coming season. I suspect that he will be a lower mid-round draft pick next year (with a good season this year) and he deserves it.

    Hoge has remained a QB up to this year but is probably better suited as a HB or a WR. He red-shirted a year and will have 2 more years of eligibility. He's fast, strong, and good on his feet. I suspect he too will do well in his new position but I guess we'll find out.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 18, 2018 1:23 p.m.

    @real ute

    "Honestly, what does Dick Harmon know about sports?..."

    *********

    I have read your comments for far too long and I can objectively say that the knowledge that you reflect in posts like this one would compare like a pin light against the brightness of the sun to Dick Harmon's reporting.

    Sports writers do not have to be solid athletes themselves to be good or great sports writers or sports broadcasters... The newspapers, sports mags, and television broadcasts are full of them... Perhaps if you would check this kind of stuff out before the criticisms you write then your comments would probably carry a lot more credibility.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 18, 2018 1:03 p.m.

    There have been a lot of very successful moves fro QB to either Receiver or HB or Slot back... The best that I can remember or that I have read about was when Green Bay's Vince Lombardi moved Paul Hornung from the QB position to HB... Hornung was a Heisman Trophy Winner at ND and went on to be an NFL MVP, and land a spot in the NFL Hall of Fame.

    Beau probably doesn't have that kind of success in his future but I suspect that he will be very good at his new position... In fact, I predict that he will be another Mitch Juergens #87 (only better) who played slot back for us during the Taysom Hill years (2014-2016).

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 18, 2018 12:55 p.m.

    p.s. “Beau Hoge was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.”—Limp

    Not only was BH a 2 star, byu-p was his only offer.

  • Pro-Scout Modesto, CA
    Aug. 18, 2018 11:31 a.m.

    Nice to see Marc Wilson's name mentioned! The professional season he had at the L. A. Raiders with starter, Jim Plunkett, ahead of his self. Once Plunkett got hurt the season was on Wilson's shoulders, and a good job he did! They became the 1983 Superbowl Champions!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Aug. 18, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    @London Josh.........my dear friend,

    Beau Hoge had ONLY one offer, BYU. I'm jus' sayin', but Chase Hansen is the real deal and will be a top 3 round NFL draft pick if he stays somewhat healthy. Hoge isn't a football player.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Aug. 18, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    @ Gandalph,

    We Utes are not "freaking out or quaking" as you claim. Most Utes are tired of having to play BYU for no reason. The Y hurts our schedule and are going downhill. Our real rival is Utah State, not BYU. I wish U the best and hope you smile soon kind sir.

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    Over the years BYU has recruited many HS QB's. That is because the QB is often the best athlete on his HS team.

    Micah Simon could be the best WR on this year's BYU team; he was a HS QB. Two years ago Kai Nacua was BYU's best safety; he was a HS QB. The list is actually quite long. And it is not just BYU; the Utes are excited about Britain Covey at WR; he was a HS QB, although as a HS sophomore he was a WR.

    BYU's roster lists Beau at 220 lb; about 10 lb heavier than all the other current RB candidates, and from the few pictures I have seen of him, the weight looks like muscle. Remember, as a HS senior he made it onto the ESPN Sport Center play of the day with a run - he showed some good 'shake' and great creativity on that play. Maybe his dad influenced ESPN to show the play; regardless, it really was a legitimate play of the day.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    CoUte: "Wow, back to the 70’s for an analogy. That’s a reach even for Mr. Harmon"

    That's all they've got.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Aug. 18, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    "Except CH wasn’t a mere 2 star recruit w/ZERO other offers."

    Hey AzzUte,

    Chase Hansen was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.

    Beau Hoge was a 3 star qb recruit with 3 offers.

    I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you just like hyperbole, but I think you just lack a grasp on reality.

    Not much difference between Hoge and Hansen.

  • AntiSNOT Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    SoortsFan, Ute nation? Don't you mean Ute county? They don't have a Ute nation. Ite more like SL County with some fans sprinkled into tooele, Davis and Northern UT counties. That's the extent of Ute "nation."

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 8:40 a.m.

    azute1

    'Yeah we’re quaking in our boots over one of BYU’s wide array/plethora of 2 stars."

    Actually, the fact that you spam every single BYU article to help you sleep at night, shows that you're freaking out and quaking in your knee-high boots.

  • Tudedude Heber City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2018 7:31 a.m.

    BYU, the university of Utah, is going to surprise some people this year. This is gonna be fun.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Aug. 18, 2018 6:11 a.m.

    Hoge didn't even play in Thursdays scrimmage. I wonder why? The article leads me to believe his biggest asset will be a blocking back on passing downs.

  • GEAnthony RAMAH, NM
    Aug. 18, 2018 3:52 a.m.

    Interestingly, Taysom Hill's first pass, a touchdown, came from the running back position.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 11:37 p.m.

    Okay,

    So, I'm a pretty blue goggled guy and I want BYU football to succeed, but I'm a common sense guy too. I'm pretty sure that the 70s guy didn't run a 10 flat 100 meter, especially if he was from Springville. If I'm not mistaken the high school 100 meter record in the State of Utah is either a 10.7 or a 10.6. 10 seconds flat in the hundred meter dash is Collegiate All American speed by any standard at any college in the country, including the Florida schools.

    That being said, I hope Beau Hoge is successful at his new position, and I think he'll play more/contribute more to that position than he ever would have at quarterback. Go Cougs!

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Aug. 17, 2018 11:17 p.m.

    Wayne Rout

    “The last time I recall a quarterback passing from a run formation was by Steve Young. BYU has not had a creative offense in a decade or more so even if this can happen the question is will it happen. I have seen so many times in the past that a given player comes into the game and everyone knows what the play will be. In he comes, down he goes, and they never try it again for the rest of the game. With no experienced offensive folks in the program I don't expect anything creatative until real changes are made.“

    Would you like a little cheese to go with that wine?

    Just admit it. The last time you had anything positive to say about BYU was about 1983.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Aug. 17, 2018 9:43 p.m.

    The last time I recall a quarterback passing from a run formation was by Steve Young. BYU has not had a creative offense in a decade or more so even if this can happen the question is will it happen. I have seen so many times in the past that a given player comes into the game and everyone knows what the play will be. In he comes, down he goes, and they never try it again for the rest of the game. With no experienced offensive folks in the program I don't expect anything creatative until real changes are made.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 17, 2018 8:44 p.m.

    Kimmy should already know, that most teams say the same thing, "Wait 'til next year". That's what they've been sayin' up on the hill for years. Now that this year is here, everybody in red is beating their chests and claiming a pac south championship this year. Good luck with that. Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC and Arizona are all checked to finish higher than u. Well, okay then, just wait 'til next year.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 8:41 p.m.

    KimmyP

    I love seeing the hubristic pride coming from the hill once again.

    With only scrimmages as a means measuring progress, ute nation annually proclaims "this year it will be different; a PAC South Championship is all but guaranteed.”

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 8:06 p.m.

    I love seeing the hubristic pride coming from Provo once again.

    With only scrimmages as a means measuring progress, cougar nation annually proclaims "this year it will be different". But, once the losses begin piling up, we hear that tried and blue phrase... "Wait 'til next year". 😹

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 7:32 p.m.

    @Co Ute

    Wow, back to the 70’s for an analogy. That’s a reach even for Mr. Harmon

    ------------------

    That's just it, it's not a reach for him. His roots are deep.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 17, 2018 5:42 p.m.

    Rob Morris moved from fullback to LB and it worked really well for the Cougars and for himself. BYU is finding a way to get their best players on the field.
    Go Cougars!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2018 5:39 p.m.

    “Freak out time for ute fans however.“

    Yeah we’re quaking in our boots over one of byu’s wide array/plethora of 2 stars—Lol

    “HMmm , didn’t chase Hanson move from quarterback to safety and then linebacker at Utah and do OK?”

    Except CH wasn’t a mere 2 star recruit w/ZERO other offers.

    Go Utes!

  • reallY in sin city Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 17, 2018 4:28 p.m.

    HMmm , didn’t chase Hanson move from quarterback to safety and then linebacker at Utah and do OK?

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2018 3:45 p.m.

    CO Ute

    “Wow, back to the 70’s for an analogy. That’s a reach even for Mr. Harmon”

    The difference between a legacy program and a program that achieved so embarrassingly little in their first century of football that fans don’t even want to talk about it.

    Should be make for an interesting season at RES, since I’ve heard rumors that the Utes are supposed to be having some sort of decade by decade celebration.

    That 1928 “undefeated” season in which the Utes were SHUTOUT by BYU 0-0 will be especially exciting to reminisce about.

    🤙🏈

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 3:31 p.m.

    Great article. What a fun comparison. I really do think Beau has a chance to be a great weapon for this team. Freak out time for ute fans however. Hopefully my comments get published this time.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 3:23 p.m.

    Looking ahead, as the game of football continues to evolve, having a running back that can throw the ball is a super dangerous weapon. Just think, if he only throws the ball two or three times in a game, and gets just one touchdown, that is super! And if you mix in a running D or two, that is serious offense!

  • CO Ute Chandler, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    Wow, back to the 70’s for an analogy. That’s a reach even for Mr. Harmon

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2018 3:01 p.m.

    Even Jim McMahon split time with Mark Wilson and was also used as a punter.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 2:43 p.m.

    Good luck to Beau. Any coach will tell you they love to have kids like that on a team. The parents, not so much.
    Go Utes!

  • Manny Saint George, UT
    Aug. 17, 2018 1:36 p.m.

    As the writer stated, the move from QB to RB is a minor controversy as far as the team goes.
    Happens all the time with every team at this level.

    The only real controversy is having Dad complain like a Little League parent wondering why "his" kid isn't playing shortstop and batting first. Hope the Beau can tell dad to just sit back and watch the game and quit doing interviews.